Francis Albert Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 A refreshed Callum Elliot.... Even the unrefreshed Elliot's career goals per game ratio is very close to that of Beattie's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozi Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 <br /><br /><br /> Steady <img src='http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.<br /> <br /> Elliott up front on his own would work if we played in a way which suits him.<br /> And that would be......... Oh aye 2 up top! I have been quite critical of Elliott but I have to say he is in no way whatsoever suited to play up front on his own,not in any formation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Jolly good. We don't usually get many strikers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozi Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 <br /><br /><br /> Name of that striker being?<br /> <br /><br /><br />Hear a young talent named Jamie Mole is looking for a club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 <br /><br /><br /> Hear a young talent named Jamie Mole is looking for a club Karma on Lothian Road should do him I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Reekin' Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I actually think he (potentially) could. Look at the difference last season with and without Kyle. I think if fit and on form he could improve the team significanly. I agree, although Beattie is a totally different style of player from Kyle. I was always quite impressed with him when he played for Celtic as he seemed to offer something a bit different from most other forwards in his willingness to run at defenders and take opponents on. At the time, he was also pretty fast, strong, and mobile, so - if indeed he does sign for us - I just hope that he's retained these qualities. He never struck me as an out-and-out striker centre-forward, though, as he always seemed happier facing the direction of play rather than shielding the ball with his back to goal. Does that mean he's too similar to Elliott? Time will tell. (If he signs!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Sheldon Cooper Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 And that would be......... Oh aye 2 up top! I have been quite critical of Elliott but I have to say he is in no way whatsoever suited to play up front on his own,not in any formation 2 up top probably suits him better but he can play up top on his own if we play the ball on the deck, get it into the channels for him and have runners from midfield breaking into the box. Hopefully signing Beattie (or whatever striker signs) will take the pressure off Elliott and maybe see him play in the wide areas, which is where I preferred him last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansel Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 A reliable source informs me that we will indeed sign a new striker tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swavkav Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 , has he signed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Walker Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 , has he signed? Haha quality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Croppers Handbag Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 , has he signed? WHERE IS HE?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winningways Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 , has he signed? What times the press conference till we see him with the scarf above the head ? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 What times the press conference till we see him with the scarf above the head ? Lol 3pm, surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigieboy Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Woke up as I realised that Gosling has been blowing out his clacker bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sten Guns Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 A reliable source informs me that we will indeed sign a new striker tomorrow. And tomorrow the sun will rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Not a sausage in the Express............move to Gullit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 If Beattie hasn't signed by the time I return from baby group*, around noon, I demand Gosling be hot-arsed on the centre spot at the upcoming derby. It has to wait till then so I can see it first hand. If Beattie has signed by my return, same place, same time but Gosling should have his danders tickled by a returning Setanta girl or something. Just a wee tickle. *what? the wee man likes it, right. And yummy mummies are no bad thing for the only bloke in attendance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 If Beattie hasn't signed by the time I return from baby group*, around noon, I demand Gosling be hot-arsed on the centre spot at the upcoming derby. It has to wait till then so I can see it first hand. If Beattie has signed by my return, same place, same time but Gosling should have his danders tickled by a returning Setanta girl or something. Just a wee tickle. *what? the wee man likes it, right. And yummy mummies are no bad thing for the only bloke in attendance! Hahahahaha Brilliant. Just wait until you do the school drop off and the teachers are added to the melee.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudiboy Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Just spoke to someone who works at Hearts, no names will be mentioned. It's called respect before people say, 'source'?? They have not heard anything on the news that Beattie will be signing today. They will text me though if they hear anything so as soon as I hear I will try to get online to update this. Take from that what you will, but I would have thought they would have known if it were happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Is this another dark day for the itk clique? Shall we witness much back scuttling at 3-05pm? Or shall they be praised by all when the scarf above head photo pops up on the official website? The fact Beattie hasn't signed for anyone else is a positive one,and nobody appears to be leaking info to the press so fingers crossed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I sense anti-climax as nothing happens today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I sense anti-climax as nothing happens today... I sense anti-climax if that rusty cripple signs today..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory House M.D. Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 And tomorrow the sun will rise. Dived on the bandwagon to save his ever shrinking reputation there. Beautiful stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Team Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Is this another dark day for the itk clique? Shall we witness much back scuttling at 3-05pm? Or shall they be praised by all when the scarf above head photo pops up on the official website? The fact Beattie hasn't signed for anyone else is a positive one,and nobody appears to be leaking info to the press so fingers crossed! I heard yesterday, from a lad, that knows another lad (who is likely to be proper ITK), that knows some of Beattie's former team mates... ...that he is likely to sign for us. I have a fair bit of confidence in the source, just not a lot in our ability to seal a deal. For what its worth, Id be happy to see the lad at Hearts - we need something as our goal threat is virtually non-existent as long as Temps is injured and Rudi isnt banging them in. The fact Ryan Stevenson is still our second top goal scorer this season when he hasnt played since about October says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougieHMFC Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Craig Wilson @Real_C_Wilson Craig Beattie is at Riccarton this morning. #hearts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station_jambo Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Not sure if its actually his twitter but he posted this Craig beattie @CraigBeats Looking forward to the day ahead! 12:30 AM - 21 Feb 12 via Twitter for iPhone ? Details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Craig Wilson @Real_C_Wilson Craig Beattie is at Riccarton this morning. #hearts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Just spoke to someone who works at Hearts, no names will be mentioned. It's called respect before people say, 'source'?? They have not heard anything on the news that Beattie will be signing today. They will text me though if they hear anything so as soon as I hear I will try to get online to update this. Take from that what you will, but I would have thought they would have known if it were happening. :stare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fermit the Krog Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Going by Sheils comments (on Thurs?) about him missing out to another SPL club I'd have thought that had it been St Mirren or St Johnstone (two clubs who were mentioned in the press along with us) it would have been tied up by now. Since that hasn't happened, I've got little doubt we were the club sheils was referring to (even though he didn't know). The problem we may have is not Craig Beattie or Hearts or anyone who has heard something from someone at the club and posted on here, but Vlad. It would not surprise me in the slightest for him to move the goalposts and/or attempt to piss off the player/agent. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I really hope he does sign. I know a lot hinges on him staying fit but if he does and we trim the squad while retaining Sutton for next season then surely that would be a pretty formidible couple of options to have. The way that Higdon and that Ojama (sp?) boy caused us problems at the back is the way I would like to see us go about things in some games. I understand all this stuff about 4-5-1 being the modern way and all the rest of it but in some games it is extremely beneficial to have a big guy that holds the ball up or creates flick-ons while the other guy runs at defenders or takes up spaces to receive knock-downs and flicks. Am I right in thinking that Beattie used to sit deeper at Celtic and run at defenders? that was the way I remember it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fermit the Krog Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Craig Wilson @Real_C_Wilson Craig Beattie is at Riccarton this morning. #hearts And I know who from/how Craig would get that info. If he says he's at riccarton, he's at Riccarton. *ignore above post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenor Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 The fact Ryan Stevenson is still our second top goal scorer this season when he hasnt played since about October says it all. Oh my goodness, that is so embarrassing! I had completely forgotten about that. What is it that, every season, we seem to sit at the bottom of the table for top goalscorers? The only team that doesn't have a better goalscorer than us is St.Mirren. It's maddening! Yet... thanks to Blackie, we are top of the disciplinary table! FFS! How do we keep staying in the top 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Just seen Beattie at Tynie! :'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenor Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I really hope he does sign. I know a lot hinges on him staying fit but if he does and we trim the squad while retaining Sutton for next season then surely that would be a pretty formidible couple of options to have. The way that Higdon and that Ojama (sp?) boy caused us problems at the back is the way I would like to see us go about things in some games. I understand all this stuff about 4-5-1 being the modern way and all the rest of it but in some games it is extremely beneficial to have a big guy that holds the ball up or creates flick-ons while the other guy runs at defenders or takes up spaces to receive knock-downs and flicks. Am I right in thinking that Beattie used to sit deeper at Celtic and run at defenders? that was the way I remember it. There's no reason why a team of our size and stature should ever be playing 4-5-1 unless it's away to the Old Firm. It's way too negative, and we are getting pumped off of teams who DO play 4-4-2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 There's no reason why a team of our size and stature should ever be playing 4-5-1 unless it's away to the Old Firm. It's way too negative, and we are getting pumped off of teams who DO play 4-4-2! Much of the time in the SPL the formation barely even seems to matter to be honest... Lost count of the amount of times both teams resort to everybody just chasing the ball or going long at every opportunity. Sad but true. Nothing wrong with 4-5-1 if you play it properly and have the players to make it work though, doesn't have to be a rigidly defensive formation. On other occasions though having two strikers up top can get more joy out of certain defences. The key is what you have supplying them from midfield or fullback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Much of the time in the SPL the formation barely even seems to matter to be honest... Lost count of the amount of times both teams resort to everybody just chasing the ball or going long at every opportunity. Sad but true. Nothing wrong with 4-5-1 if you play it properly and have the players to make it work though, doesn't have to be a rigidly defensive formation. On other occasions though having two strikers up top can get more joy out of certain defences. The key is what you have supplying them from midfield or fullback. Yep. When attacking it should really become a 4-3-3 and then revert back when defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 As I say. 442 is dead in every other country. Its now 451 that turns into 433 or 424. Look at the clubs in the premiership. Would say not one of them play a 442. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Yep. When attacking it should really become a 4-3-3 and then revert back when defending. For that you need proper football players... Hopefully by the time the summer arrives we will have a few more of them to make such a formation work properly. I do not see a lot wrong with what PS is trying to do, however some of our players seem so utterly incompetent at regularly managing even the basics required to get by as a well-paid professional footballer. Passing the ball about at the back via Zaliukas, Hamill and Mrowiec is just heart attack material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 There's no reason why a team of our size and stature should ever be playing 4-5-1 unless it's away to the Old Firm. It's way too negative, and we are getting pumped off of teams who DO play 4-4-2! Completely wrong. You can play 4-4-2 but 4-5-1 can be such a varied formation even calling it 4-5-1 hides the number of ways 4-5-1 can be played and be attacking. 4-2-3-1, 4-1-2-2-1, 4-3-2-1. People seem to think that in this country 4-5-1 equals to the extrememly negative football that got Rangers to the final of the Eufa cup or that Scotland used to beat France, i.e. everyone behind the ball with one lone striker isolated requiring long balls to be punted up to get to him which can usually be cut out by a decent back four. But take 4-2-3-1, it can be a much more positive formation if done right. You need a defensive midfielder alongside a creative midfielder, so one helps break up the play while the other uses creative play of the ball to get the ball forward. The 3 is made up of players who are attacking, in fact the two wingers when on attack can even move up to be extra forwards. While the player in the middle provides the option through the middle who can strike a knocked down ball or make the late run into the box. A way to look at 4-2-3-1 is that it is the football evolution of 4-4-2. Modern football in the last decade has shown the rise of the power of a midfield. In an attempt to strengthen the midfield, one of the strikers has dropped deeper and provides the extra man to break up the midfield and also can be an advanced playmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad-Stupid Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I PLAY CHAMP MAN 2006 SO I KEN BETTUR TACTICS AND FORMASHUNS THAN SERGIO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Completely wrong. You can play 4-4-2 but 4-5-1 can be such a varied formation even calling it 4-5-1 hides the number of ways 4-5-1 can be played and be attacking. 4-2-3-1, 4-1-2-2-1, 4-3-2-1. People seem to think that in this country 4-5-1 equals to the extrememly negative football that got Rangers to the final of the Eufa cup or that Scotland used to beat France, i.e. everyone behind the ball with one lone striker isolated requiring long balls to be punted up to get to him which can usually be cut out by a decent back four. But take 4-2-3-1, it can be a much more positive formation if done right. You need a defensive midfielder alongside a creative midfielder, so one helps break up the play while the other uses creative play of the ball to get the ball forward. The 3 is made up of players who are attacking, in fact the two wingers when on attack can even move up to be extra forwards. While the player in the middle provides the option through the middle who can strike a knocked down ball or make the late run into the box. A way to look at 4-2-3-1 is that it is the football evolution of 4-4-2. Modern football in the last decade has shown the rise of the power of a midfield. In an attempt to strengthen the midfield, one of the strikers has dropped deeper and provides the extra man to break up the midfield and also can be an advanced playmaker. Which in my mind is the reason why i would like to see Beattie at Hearts, he would suit that role well I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 So am I reading this right? A guy that hasn't kicked a ball for 3 years is going to transform the way we play? I'm ready to be enlightened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC DkB Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 The fact Ryan Stevenson is still our second top goal scorer this season when he hasnt played since about October says it all. Ryan Stevenson last game for hearts was on the 19th december but if you want to keep believing he hasnt played since october bash on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Can someone name a top team that play a 4-4-2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent B.A Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Can someone name a top team that play a 4-4-2? Man U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 So am I reading this right? A guy that hasn't kicked a ball for 3 years is going to transform the way we play? I'm ready to be enlightened. Not sure, but I think pretty much everyone who has extolled the possible virtues of Beattie signing has also said that it would be dependant on him getting fit. Cannae be arsed checking but I'd be surprised if anyone was suggesting that he be played while injured or unfit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeno Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Can someone name a top team that play a 4-4-2? Liverpo hahahahahaha nah sorry I cant even finish there name without laughing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Man U Arent they more a 4-4-1-1 with Rooney sitting deeper behind Hernandez or Welbeck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudiboy Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Can someone name a top team that play a 4-4-2? Spurs played a 4-4-2 with Adebayor and Defoe or Adebayor and Saha, and other times they play 4-4-1-1 with Adebayor and Van Der Vaart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Not sure, but I think pretty much everyone who has extolled the possible virtues of Beattie signing has also said that it would be dependant on him getting fit. Cannae be arsed checking but I'd be surprised if anyone was suggesting that he be played while injured or unfit? wasn't specifically aimed at you mate. I'm staggered that we'd even be looking at a guy with that kind of fitness levels when we haven't a pot to piss in. Any notion that Craig Beattie will fire us to Champions League qualification is on a par with Craig Whyte's understanding of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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