The Rangers soap opera goes on and on.

[Paolo]

Scottish football is corrupt.

 

If the four 'Old' Firn derbies are compulsory and Rangers stay in the SPL as a result then what if the scenario happens.

 

Rangers need a point in the last pre-split game. Their opposition needs three and they are 1-0 up in the last minute. Rangers replacement for Naismith clearly throws himself down in the box. It is clearly not a penalty. Does the ref give one to help the SPL honour its contract obligations?

 

Similar scenario if they are in Division One and need a point for promotion.

Edited July 4, 2012 by Simon Says

[I.T.K]

Doncaster on Radio 4's today programme saying that not allowing newco into the SPL would punish the other forty one clubs. "Why should all 41 clubs suffer because of the actions of one club." An astonishing argument from a desperate man. He will have to resign when the clubs vote no.

 

Really,,, protecting the clubs from what exactly?

[Deso1972]

Id now prefer it if Vlad pulled us from the SPL. Might be a campaign we should try to promote amongst other supporters of clubs. If the non-OF clubs all resigned then the sponsors of the sectarian freak show arrangement (lets face it, its not for the quality of football) can sponsor the OF to play themselves every week. The rest of us can drop down to Div 3 and create a true sporting scottish game. The time is to rebuild without the complexities involved in trying to finance two "clubs" in the west.

If the rest actually did resign and create another league then ticket money need not drop for the clubs as we would have the games we have now minus the OF.

 

Im truly sickened by the actions of those in receipt of Der Huns pieces of silver, in my view there is only one way out and it doesnt involve the OF or SPL.

[Paolo]

Donkey just been on R4 today programme.

 

It's all about "protecting the 41 innocent clubs" letting Sevco back into SPL or SFL1. This phrase was repeated three or four times in a three minute interview.

 

Donkey even has an annoying voice (didnt realise he was English), he sounds like a dodgy life insurance salesman, selling thru creating a fear in customers.

 

He really has to go

Did he say how keeping then in the SPL would protect the likes of Annan and Peterhead?

[Maiden Gorgie]

Id now prefer it if Vlad pulled us from the SPL. Might be a campaign we should try to promote amongst other supporters of clubs. If the non-OF clubs all resigned then the sponsors of the sectarian freak show arrangement (lets face it, its not for the quality of football) can sponsor the OF to play themselves every week. The rest of us can drop down to Div 3 and create a true sporting scottish game. The time is to rebuild without the complexities involved in trying to finance two "clubs" in the west.

If the rest actually did resign and create another league then ticket money need not drop for the clubs as we would have the games we have now minus the OF.

 

Im truly sickened by the actions of those in receipt of Der Huns pieces of silver, in my view there is only one way out and it doesnt involve the OF or SPL.

 

This

Edited July 4, 2012 by Don Pascquale

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

Roddy the Proddy on 5 Live

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

Now the mutant is on

[Francis Albert]

Doncaster on Radio 4's today programme saying that not allowing newco into the SPL would punish the other forty one clubs. "Why should all 41 clubs suffer because of the actions of one club." An astonishing argument from a desperate man. He will have to resign when the clubs vote no.

 

How does he get away with this? The majority of his member clubs have made it clear they don't want Newco in the SPL. What gives him the right to argue against his own member clubs?

 

As you say when the clubs vote no his position will become even more untenable than it already is.

[frankblack]

Id now prefer it if Vlad pulled us from the SPL. Might be a campaign we should try to promote amongst other supporters of clubs. If the non-OF clubs all resigned then the sponsors of the sectarian freak show arrangement (lets face it, its not for the quality of football) can sponsor the OF to play themselves every week. The rest of us can drop down to Div 3 and create a true sporting scottish game. The time is to rebuild without the complexities involved in trying to finance two "clubs" in the west.

If the rest actually did resign and create another league then ticket money need not drop for the clubs as we would have the games we have now minus the OF.

 

Im truly sickened by the actions of those in receipt of Der Huns pieces of silver, in my view there is only one way out and it doesnt involve the OF or SPL.

 

Spot on.

 

I'd rather we resigned from the SPL and left the sychophants like St Mirren and Killie with NewCo Rangers and Celtic.

 

The SPL is completely lacking in integrity and credibility and should be disbanded before the start of the season if possible.

[SE16 3LN]

Did he say how keeping then in the SPL would protect the likes of Annan and Peterhead?

He said this for sure. Why should the other 41 clubs suffer because of the actions of one club. That includes the likes of Annan and Peterhead. It is simply incredible that this is his line and can only be that he is hanging on by a thread.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

Nicky Campbell taking no shit though!

[Radge21]

We are all Turnbell Hutton

[Maiden Gorgie]

We are all Turnbell Hutton

 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

How does he get away with this? The majority of his member clubs have made it clear they don't want Newco in the SPL. What gives him the right to argue against his own member clubs?

 

As you say when the clubs vote no his position will become even more untenable than it already is.

Thankfully the mutant doesn't have a vote.

 

Hopefully a vote of no confidence in the mutant takes place today.

[Maiden Gorgie]

Maybe the "No" voters (aka the good guys) are going in not to vote but to offer their resignation from the SPL. That would really put the cat amongst the spanners.

[bean counter]

Id now prefer it if Vlad pulled us from the SPL. Might be a campaign we should try to promote amongst other supporters of clubs. If the non-OF clubs all resigned then the sponsors of the sectarian freak show arrangement (lets face it, its not for the quality of football) can sponsor the OF to play themselves every week. The rest of us can drop down to Div 3 and create a true sporting scottish game. The time is to rebuild without the complexities involved in trying to finance two "clubs" in the west.

If the rest actually did resign and create another league then ticket money need not drop for the clubs as we would have the games we have now minus the OF.

 

Im truly sickened by the actions of those in receipt of Der Huns pieces of silver, in my view there is only one way out and it doesnt involve the OF or SPL.

 

I said last night that if the SPL clubs don't vote today we should resign from the SPL and SFA if need be and hopefully other clubs will follow, there are 8 no voters in the SPL and 10 no voters in the SFL, then we can form a new league.

 

If no one else resigns we should apply to the FA blue square north or where ever

[winningways]

More and more stories coming out this morning saying vote not going to happen today now .Hope this is not the case.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

More and more stories coming out this morning saying vote not going to happen today now .Hope this is not the case.

The question is who exactly is feeding this shite to the hacks?

[Eddington]

Nicky Campbell taking no shit though!

Does anybody else feel embarrassed after that on 5 Live - 2 options only - SPL or Div 1 - I was screaming at the radio saying - So what's the plan if the are not promoted in the first or second year

 

I am not starting to believe now that they will be in Div 1, and then a restructure will take place to ensure that they are in top flight by 2013-14

 

Green has said all along worst case its Div 1, how can he/they get away with this

 

Div 3 or under - or Im out

[i8hibsh]

What has been proved is that there is relegation in the SPL every year providing that it is not an Old Firm club.

[ollie2004]

Maybe the "No" voters (aka the good guys) are going in not to vote but to offer their resignation from the SPL. That would really put the cat amongst the spanners.

 

Interesting, might not be far of the money as it does make complete sense!

[Francis Albert]

More and more stories coming out this morning saying vote not going to happen today now .Hope this is not the case.

 

The first six words would have sufficed.

[jamie1874]

With all the talk of sponsors pulling out, has anyone put it to the sponsor there is bigger commercial implications for them in doing this than the perceived loss they may get without rangers in the SPL.

 

We have seen the force of the fans ensuring the chairmen of the clubs state their intentions before season tickets were bought. That's fans of clubs they love and would break their hearts not to watch them again - but they still threatened this to ensure people took note.

 

If sponsors pull out of the SPL I would expect them to be named and shamed to ensure every one in Scottish football does not give them a penny again.

 

If Doncaster was worth his wage he would be fighting with these sponsors threats in a tougher way to protect the teams who have not cheated. However as this man has no integrity and has already negotiated a contract with sky that could be need to result in match fixing to ensure 4 OF games a season it is no surpirise he is only acting in the interest of 2 teams.

 

A vote of no confidence should be the number one priority today that would be a bigger statement than the Rangers vote.

[vegas-voss]

<br />Saying on TalkSport this morning that some SPL chairmen were having a conference call last night to try and postpone today's vote.<br />

<br /><br /><br />

**** sake its beyond a joke now it really is.

 

Sent from my GT-N7000 using Tapatalk 2

[ollie2004]

[quote name='jamie1874' timestamp='1341388435' post='3020143'

 

A vote of no confidence should be the number one priority today that would be a bigger statement than the Rangers vote.

 

Looking forward to finishing work today, suspect it might be a short meeting whenever it is held, fireworks start tonight with any luck!

[dmhearts]

With all the talk of sponsors pulling out, has anyone put it to the sponsor there is bigger commercial implications for them in doing this than the perceived loss they may get without rangers in the SPL.

 

 

Is there a full list of the sponsors anywhere ???

[reaths17]

nae ^^^^ is that stupid, doncaster has to be pushing for redundance with a new job ready to start

[vegas-voss]

<br />Nicky Campbell taking no shit though! <img src='http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /><br />

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Sure i read quite a long time ago that he was a Hearts fan.

 

Sent from my GT-N7000 using Tapatalk 2

[yvonnejambo]

Id now prefer it if Vlad pulled us from the SPL. Might be a campaign we should try to promote amongst other supporters of clubs. If the non-OF clubs all resigned then the sponsors of the sectarian freak show arrangement (lets face it, its not for the quality of football) can sponsor the OF to play themselves every week. The rest of us can drop down to Div 3 and create a true sporting scottish game. The time is to rebuild without the complexities involved in trying to finance two "clubs" in the west.

If the rest actually did resign and create another league then ticket money need not drop for the clubs as we would have the games we have now minus the OF.

 

Im truly sickened by the actions of those in receipt of Der Huns pieces of silver, in my view there is only one way out and it doesnt involve the OF or SPL.

Agree 100%

[Cut The Crap]

Does anybody else feel embarrassed after that on 5 Live - 2 options only - SPL or Div 1 - I was screaming at the radio saying - So what's the plan if the are not promoted in the first or second year

 

I am not starting to believe now that they will be in Div 1, and then a restructure will take place to ensure that they are in top flight by 2013-14

 

Green has said all along worst case its Div 1, how can he/they get away with this

 

Div 3 or under - or Im out

 

Sky will "tolerate" a 1-year absence of Rangers from the top flight, we are told.

 

The only logical conclusion to draw is that next year's first division campaign will have to be rigged to ensure they gain promotion.

[meridian jambo]

Id now prefer it if Vlad pulled us from the SPL. Might be a campaign we should try to promote amongst other supporters of clubs. If the non-OF clubs all resigned then the sponsors of the sectarian freak show arrangement (lets face it, its not for the quality of football) can sponsor the OF to play themselves every week. The rest of us can drop down to Div 3 and create a true sporting scottish game. The time is to rebuild without the complexities involved in trying to finance two "clubs" in the west.

If the rest actually did resign and create another league then ticket money need not drop for the clubs as we would have the games we have now minus the OF.

 

Im truly sickened by the actions of those in receipt of Der Huns pieces of silver, in my view there is only one way out and it doesnt involve the OF or SPL.

 

 

The sad thing with the arrogance of the Old Firm is they would not bother 2 hoots about the rest of Scottish football. If all the SPL clubs resigned and were replaced by lower league teams I am sure the OF would still argue that the most important thing is their derby matches, one of them will win the league and they can be allowed to continue with their bigotry

[WagonWheel]

Doncaster on Radio 4's today programme saying that not allowing newco into the SPL would punish the other forty one clubs. "Why should all 41 clubs suffer because of the actions of one club." An astonishing argument from a desperate man. He will have to resign when the clubs vote no.

 

 

If sadly he remains in post, Neil Doncaster should get the same treatment a la Andy Walker at Tynecastle at every Scottish ground he visits next season.

[King of the North]

I have to have faith that guys like Turnbull Hutton are not in the minority.

 

Football without the fans is nothing - sure I read that somewhere.

Look after the sport, and the money will follow. look after the money and you have no sport - I read that somewhere too.

 

I definitely remember reading this from David Conn

Football is a beautiful game, and things of beauty need careful preservation, not remorseless exploitation. Sport has a soul, and football the heartiest one of all. Football is a greater, more wonderful thing than merely a business. And it needs to be reclaimed, before it is too late.

 

It has to be division 3 - minimum. More realistic and more naturally just would be a years expulsion then they can reorganise and apply for entry along with Spartans etc.

 

If this farcical, sickening, astonishing and immoral carve up pans out and the filthy, vile huns end up anywhere higher than Div 3, then Scottish Football can feck off. Never will I set foot inside a Scottish ground again, including Tynecastle. Never will I watch Scottish football, including the national team, on TV. The game will be up.

 

Feck Sevco, feck the SPL, SFA and SFL.

 

Where are more men of honour and integrity? Where are more men like Turnbull Hutton?

Edited July 4, 2012 by King of the North

[Francis Albert]

Saying on TalkSport this morning that some SPL chairmen were having a conference call last night to try and postpone today's vote.

 

The story yesterday was there was going to be a meeting last night of the 11 SPL clubs (all except Rangers). Later it was reported that this didn't happen because some SPL clubs did not want to meet. This therefore may be no more than Celtic and Killie's chairman having a wee cry to each other before their bed-time cocoa.

 

 

The one thing that is certain is that there is a helluva lot of misinformation and wishful thinking being peddled.

[marshallschunkychicken]

It says it all about the SPL that during this and the league reconstruction fiasco, the response of those in charge of the league to an indication that a vote will not give them the result that they want, is to cancel/postpone the vote.

[JAMMY]

Sky will "tolerate" a 1-year absence of Rangers from the top flight, we are told.

 

The only logical conclusion to draw is that next year's first division campaign will have to be rigged to ensure they gain promotion.

 

Neil Doncaster is on his way handing out bungs and underhand threats to the 1st division clubs as we speak while next seasons 1st division trophy has already been engraved...winners " the rangers football club".

[Hagar the Horrible]

I have one message to SPL and SFL chairmen to consider this, whatever football means to you vote NO

 

If the game cant survive without Rangers then let me assure you society can

 

?130m will pay for a hospital full of doctors and nurses able to treat our troops who dont have the equipment required because one Club Stole all that money.

 

Let them die so troops can live!

 

 

Iam going to re-itterate this to chairmen who meet today at 10am

 

if you do not vote or you vote YES then you can never look a Doctor a Nurse or one of our Brave troops in the eye ever again

[I P Knightley]

By the way, Traynor did not threaten Spence with not being on Your Call, he threatened Tom English.

 

Just so we are clear.

 

 

Can you give the details of the show and approximate time?

 

I feel an indignant complaint about the fat git coming on; the type that gets me hot under the collar when folk who haven't observed the behaviour flood the BBC with their complaints...

[Hagar the Horrible]

I have to have faith that guys like Turnbull Hutton are not in the minority.

 

Football without the fans is nothing - sure I read that somewhere.

Look after the sport, and the money will follow. look after the money and you have no sport - I read that somewhere too.

 

I definitely remember reading this from David Conn

Football is a beautiful game, and things of beauty need careful preservation, not remorseless exploitation. Sport has a soul, and football the heartiest one of all. Football is a greater, more wonderful thing than merely a business. And it needs to be reclaimed, before it is too late.

 

It has to be division 3 - minimum. More realistic and more naturally just would be a years expulsion then they can reorganise and apply for entry along with Spartans etc.

 

If this farcical, sickening, astonishing and immoral carve up pans out and the filthy, vile huns end up anywhere higher than Div 3, then Scottish Football can feck off. Never will I set foot inside a Scottish ground again, including Tynecastle. Never will I watch Scottish football, including the national team, on TV. The game will be up.

 

Feck Sevco, feck the SPL, SFA and SFL.

 

Where are more men of honour and integrity? Where are more men like Turnbull Hutton?

 

 

Is he our very own Wootton Bassett?

 

He sounds like a villiage in wilstshire.

[Cut The Crap]

It has to be division 3 - minimum. More realistic and more naturally just would be a years expulsion then they can reorganise and apply for entry along with Spartans etc.

 

If this farcical, sickening, astonishing and immoral carve up pans out and the filthy, vile huns end up anywhere higher than Div 3, then Scottish Football can feck off. Never will I set foot inside a Scottish ground again, including Tynecastle. Never will I watch Scottish football, including the national team, on TV. The game will be up.

 

After the way this affair has been handled, I suspect the game is already up for a lot of people.

 

I'm not sure there's any way back for Scottish football after this whole sorry saga.

[Hagar the Horrible]

Can you give the details of the show and approximate time?

 

I feel an indignant complaint about the fat git coming on; the type that gets me hot under the collar when folk who haven't observed the behaviour flood the BBC with their complaints...

 

It was Spence who responded, and that Girl often gets her job threatend too

[Jammy T]

All SPL and SFL clubs which have indicated a No to Newco position so far should be meeting and discussing with each other and any other interested SFL teams forming a new breakaway league with new governance structures.

 

This can work two ways you know.

 

Yes Rangers and Celtic are the biggest. But if 15 to 20 of the rest of the biggest clubs in Scottish football indicate a desire to exit the current corrupt and fraudulent set up, Scottish football will be more goosed than if Rangers go down to Div 3.

 

This is not the time to be fearful it is the time to be bold.

[May one-six]

And what happens if the SFL don't make a decision next week? The way this is panning out the new league season will be on us and, surprise, surprise the only division that will have a space is the SPL. In that case I've no doubt that Doncaster will argue that it must be filled, and there's only one club that can fill it...

[Hagar the Horrible]

Doncaster need to go If you heard him i Radio Scotland this morning again with his facts that the game would be in meltdown without Rangers

 

He is desperatly trying to rescue them, "They need to play somewhere", Why Neill? why?

 

He also stated why should 41 clubs be punished for the wrong doings of one, is a bit like saying why punish Germany for the actions of Hitler let the Nazis back in!

[Harry Palmer]

Chris McLaughlin ?@BBCchrismclaug

 

Just spoken to Neil Doncaster. Seems unlikely a vote will be taken.

 

 

 

Sigh....

[JamboRossi79]

1341388669[/url]' post='3020149']

Is there a full list of the sponsors anywhere ???

 

Here

http://www.scotprem.com/content/default.asp?page=s34

[Doc Rob]

And what happens if the SFL don't make a decision next week? The way this is panning out the new league season will be on us and, surprise, surprise the only division that will have a space is the SPL. In that case I've no doubt that Doncaster will argue that it must be filled, and there's only one club that can fill it...

 

Much as this whole sorry saga has made me despair, I really don't see this happening.

[jamboinglasgow]

Chris McLaughlin ?@BBCchrismclaug

Just spoken to Neil Doncaster. Seems unlikely a vote will be taken. Interview available later this morning http://bbc.co.uk/sportscotland #SPL

 

 

Cowards, badword cowards.

 

Waiting for the SFL is as good as saying that you want them in the first division at worst. So if the SFL vote 3rd division then the chairmen will put Rangers into the SPL.

[The Real Maroonblood]

Chris McLaughlin ?@BBCchrismclaug

 

Just spoken to Neil Doncaster. Seems unlikely a vote will be taken.

 

 

 

Sigh....

Who in the **** decides this?

[Hagar the Horrible]

Did anybody hear Stuart Cosgrove on the Radio this morning apparently he was brilliant.

 

What did he say?