redm Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 The second one Mental Puts paid to the myth that it's just black people. The media have been pretty clear about the fact that it isn't just black guys n girls out there. I'd say they've actually gone to decent lengths to stress that fact. Probably just as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Puts paid to the myth that it's just black people. But the majority were. From my time in London the Black community are in the main treated like second class citizens. They are given the worst housing and generally the worst jobs. Some of them have no hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiac Rucksack Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Just seems so pointless. trashing ur own city? i mean wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMa9dMGuX5k&feature=youtu.be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1-XlVJSQ24&feature=player_embedded The second one Mental Puts paid to the myth that it's just black people. The other thing that hits you when you watch these video's is that all the police seem to be white, and clueless. A massive problem with the met is that it does not represent the people of london, if the people can't related to you, what chance they will respect you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better call Saul Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Just seems so pointless. trashing ur own city? i mean wtf Not when you get a sony camcorder for nothing or a barbers chair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Here's Darcus Howe slavering rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToYouToMe Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 The other thing that hits you when you watch these video's is that all the police seem to be white, and clueless. A massive problem with the met is that it does not represent the people of london, if the people can't related to you, what chance they will respect you? So if all my local police were black they would not be able to relate to me? And it would be ok to disrespect them even if it were true? This is not about colour or ethnicity, this is about disrespect for other humans and their property and disrespect for society at large. If you choose to opt out of society in such a way then you should face the full consequence of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Here's Darcus Howe slavering rubbish. i sort of feel sorry for him, yes there was a time in the 70 and 80's when people like him had to riot or protest to stop what was going on. Unfortunately he is using his personal experience to excuses the morons on the street today. He is clearly not all there tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 First round of suspect pictures released by the Met. http://content.met.police.uk/Appeal/Suspect-images-issued-following-disorder/1260269386717/1257246745782# Pretty much destroys any argument that this is being perpetrated by mainly the Afro-Caribbean community. Really? Most of the photos I've viewed on there appear to be Afro/Caribbean with a few white and mixed race as well. The TV footage appears to show this as well. There is no doubt that there were white people involved in all of this as well as black. Neds are neds no matter what colour creed or race they come from Not that I want to get into any arguments about the racial aspects of this, however to try and claim that this behaviour was not predominantly from the afro/caribbean community is closing your eyes to the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol1874 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 You don't think that possibly there is simply a latent criminality in Tottenham with black youths and hanger-on white youths who all aspire to some pathetic 'gangsta' lifestyle. People always trot out the "deprived/alienated/poor" lines, yet these kids have the same access to education as the rest of the country, they simply don't go. There are plenty of poor kids across the UK (and I do agree about your wider point - that capitalism fuels a consumerism that rubs it in the faces of those who can't afford the stuff they are told they need) but they aren't rioting every weekend because they can't afford a PS3. The key question here is - where the **** are the parents of these rioters? Carrying the other end of the plasma possibly? 14 year old kids with 27/28 year old parents is unlikely to be unusual in that part of the world I'd have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ultraviolet Catastrophe Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 The other thing that hits you when you watch these video's is that all the police seem to be white, and clueless. A massive problem with the met is that it does not represent the people of london, if the people can't related to you, what chance they will respect you? That's just inverted racism. Why can't they relate to the police just because they're not the same skin colour as them? The whole thing is retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 First round of suspect pictures released by the Met. http://content.met.police.uk/Appeal/Suspect-images-issued-following-disorder/1260269386717/1257246745782# Pretty much destroys any argument that this is being perpetrated by mainly the Afro-Caribbean community. no it doesn't!!! because a handful of pictures have been released and some white people are in them? personally i have no idea what percentage of every ethnicity makes up the collective group of culprits. it's already known that there are plenty of whites involved, as well as other racial groups. i suspect that a significant majority are either black or mixed race. but race isn't the issue here. it's criminality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Shit just got real, the looting has got to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Here's Darcus Howe slavering rubbish. Could just be my cloth ears but I'm quite sure she calls him 'Harcus Dowe'... Had a wee listen to the BBCNews 24 while I was eating lunch and had to quite quickly give up before my precious bagel ended up splatted against the wall. What's with all these social commentators? And why the hell are they making no distinction whatsoever between the original (and justifiable) protest in Tottenham and the meaningless violence and looting which then followed? Yes, there are social issue to be addressed and yes, there is definitely an issue when it comes to race relations between police and some communities but that has bugger all to do with kids and adults losing their minds and nicking anything they can get their hands on whilst setting fire to bits of London. Absolutely nothing. And it really bloody annoys me that they won't make this important distinction because in neglecting to do so, by association the real causes are then tarnished and discredited. Big time. And that's more damaging than almost anything else. Arsepieces. Think about what you're saying FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Man shot in Croydon last night has died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Clarke Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 The 26 year old man that was shot earlier has died in Hospital according to Sky News. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Man shot in Croydon last night has died Great username. Really hope the clampdown will put a stop to this now. We simply can't have any more bodies piling up over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 That's just inverted racism. Why can't they relate to the police just because they're not the same skin colour as them? The whole thing is retarded. I know, didn't mean it like that, but just seeing these ###### shouting in the police face and a complete clueless of them standing there. Maybe i'm looking too much into it from the scum point of view, but there is loads of anger which has being built up for ages and now people are looking for any excuse to kick off and cause as much damage as possible. Where as a large amount of other scumbags are using it for their own greed and robbing people. Other scumbags are using this for their own agenda to cause more racial hate, and probably my post was seen as alone the similar lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Yeah, spot on with the bolded comment. You've fairly jumped to the wrong conclusion with my post though - point being that these riots are happening regardless of race. The key factor is deprivation of opportunity and hope. Depending on where you are, there are more or less socially deprived from the Afro-Caribbean community. Lewisham was around 50/50 black/white, Brixton mainly black, Camden-Chalk Farm looters were more white. Race isn't the issue and that needs to be reinforced. Well I'd argue that the overwhelming reason behind all of this is the fact that criminality in endemic in most of these communities. It's not challenged and is seen as "manly". These communities have had millions spent on them over the years trying to raise their levels of self esteem - much of it to no avail what so ever. Time for the velvet glove to come off and the iron fist to be used liberally on those involved in all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Clarke Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 BBC News: What could the police do to stop the rioting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someday Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Hundreds of thousands of young people in this country grow up in deprived circumstances, however they are not all out rioting. There is no "social" excuse for this, it is pure criminality and needs to be treated as such by the Police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Great username. Really hope the clampdown will put a stop to this now. We simply can't have any more bodies piling up over this. I'm surprised there were not more injuries or deaths last night as a lot of those fires seemed to be spreading to flats, houses etc. Lucky escape for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 What happened to the Sony factory, never really saw any coverage on what happened to it. Cannot believe I only got 3 hours kip last night due to staying up watching this, I am feckaroonied today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 BBC News: What could the police do to stop the rioting? I love how with each method, it goes on to qualify by saying "its use symbolises a loss of control" or "it looks like the end of the world". Thankfully, with these methods not having been used, no one could possibly have inferred either of these things from the scenes last night. Guido Fawkes has just Tweeted this video though, some hope left for us: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCsrcnUy8ao&feature=player_embedded#at=67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD_JAMBO Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I really think that Gavin from autoglass is going to have a job on his hands now rofl hes gonna be working overtime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Clarke Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Sky News reporting that rubber bullets may be used tonight if there is continued riots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I'm in lockdown right now in my store in thamesmead central bracing myself for an expected riot Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Sky News reporting that rubber bullets may be used tonight if there is continued riots. Yeah, just heard that. How good would it be to be a double glazing salesman down in London just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Sky News reporting that rubber bullets may be used tonight if there is continued riots. What sort of damage would rubber bullets do? Would they just bounce off people or do they penetrate the skin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 What happened to the Sony factory, never really saw any coverage on what happened to it. Cannot believe I only got 3 hours kip last night due to staying up watching this, I am feckaroonied today. only signed up to twitter at 12 last night, not being off it since. It was a distribution centre that they robbed then set it on fire to destroy the evidence! A lot is mindless madness but the proper criminals are hitting the big targets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I should add that I'm bricking it Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 What happened to the Sony factory, never really saw any coverage on what happened to it. Cannot believe I only got 3 hours kip last night due to staying up watching this, I am feckaroonied today. the sony distribution centre was set alight last night and i think is still burning now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 What sort of damage would rubber bullets do? Would they just bounce off people or do they penetrate the skin? Rubber bullets have killed quite a few people when they were deployed in Northern Ireland. Depends how the ricochet off the ground and where they hit the person and from what distance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_bullets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 What sort of damage would rubber bullets do? Would they just bounce off people or do they penetrate the skin? rubber bullets or baton rounds to give them their real title, they are designed to bounce off people after they have gotten hit. think of it like sending mike tyson round to punch each person once. but the thing is they can cause serious injury and death by damaging internal organs, causing broken bones etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 So say the 16,000 officers bring this to a halt tonight what will it really achieve in the long term because all this has proved is that these wee ****s can do this at anytime they want.What is really going to stop them doing this again in a months time when the police are back to normal numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Clarke Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 What sort of damage would rubber bullets do? Would they just bounce off people or do they penetrate the skin? Wikipedia: Rubber Bullets "Rubber Bullets are meant to cause pain but not serious injury. They are expected to produce contusions, abrasions, and hematomas. However, they may cause bone fractures, injuries to internal organs, or death. In a study of 90 patients in Northern Ireland, one died, 17 suffered permanent disabilities or deformities and 41 required hospital treatment after being fired upon with rubber bullets" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 the sony distribution centre was set alight last night and i think is still burning now I'm looking for a new telly as well, take it the price of Sony's is about to increase, unless I get some sort of 'deal' in Tottenham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 What sort of damage would rubber bullets do? Would they just bounce off people or do they penetrate the skin? Rubber bullets (or plastic bullets or baton rounds) are designed to stun and knock folk out. They have killed rioters before, however, as Boris points out. That's the thing about this though that gets to me. I remember the riots that occurred when the Anglo Irish agreement was signed in 1985; I remember the riot I took part in in 1988 in my home area; I can recollect riots about Drumcree. In the "mainland" people feign disinterest or condemn. Fine. Now it's in the big smoke it's wall to wall coverage. Forgive me if I scoff but back in the day, the RUC would have taken no shit and the rioters would not only have been caught but would have had the bejaysus battered out of them. Not that they complained - they loved the overtime and danger money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 **** me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Rubber bullets (or plastic bullets or baton rounds) are designed to stun and knock folk out. They have killed rioters before, however, as Boris points out. That's the thing about this though that gets to me. I remember the riots that occurred when the Anglo Irish agreement was signed in 1985; I remember the riot I took part in in 1988 in my home area; I can recollect riots about Drumcree. In the "mainland" people feign disinterest or condemn. Fine. Now it's in the big smoke it's wall to wall coverage. Forgive me if I scoff but back in the day, the RUC would have taken no shit and the rioters would not only have been caught but would have had the bejaysus battered out of them. Not that they complained - they loved the overtime and danger money! Wow, no wonder the Troubles lasted for so long in Northern Ireland if the rioters were getting paid so well!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Clarke Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Some young guy on Sky News making excuses for the looters and rioters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellie0028 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I'm in lockdown right now in my store in thamesmead central bracing myself for an expected riot Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk Stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulus Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I should add that I'm bricking it Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk Hope your okay mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Some young guy on Sky News making excuses for the looters and rioters. no he wasn't, he was trying to explain why its come to this. Whats the point of asking people who live in the area about whats happening if you just ignore anything you don't agree with. BTW Big Jim was fecking awesome and the old white guy, "burn it all down" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I'm in lockdown right now in my store in thamesmead central bracing myself for an expected riot Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk Stay safe brother, let us know you're safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Berwick Jambo Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Sky News reporting that rubber bullets may be used tonight if there is continued riots. I thought the police stopped using them a while back & change them to some sort of beanbag bullets that are slightly less dangerous than the rubber ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Clarke Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 no he wasn't, he was trying to explain why its come to this. Whats the point of asking people who live in the area about whats happening if you just ignore anything you don't agree with. I don't agree with what the guy was saying...he was going on about how their angry and fighting for a cause. There is no excuse for what happened last night. I don't care how crap they think their life is, you dont go around rioting and looting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I don't agree with what the guy was saying...he was going on about how their angry and fighting for a cause. There is no excuse for what happened last night. I don't care how crap they think their life is, you dont go around rioting and looting. 100% i agree with that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I should add that I'm bricking it Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk I can't begin to imagine what you're going through mate, fingers crossed that you come out of this ok and that the heavier police presence tonight makes some sort of difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 The Nottting Hill Carnival has been the focus for this sort of criminal behaviour in the past. Should the authorities be thinking about cancelling it this year? I've got a feeling that if it's allowed to go ahead it will result in more mayhem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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