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hmfc_liam06
2 hours ago, merrymac said:

Just been on Golf Now for myself.

Noted deals at Monifeith £67,

Alyth around £30, Arbroath around £30, and same at Forfar.

All good quality courses.

Hope you find something  :thumbsup:

 

Never played Monifieth before so that may be a shout, cheers 👍

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20 hours ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

Any recommendations for a round on Tuesday afternoon? Looking at around 50/60 quid round.

 

Thinking of Downfield but open to suggestions.

Gullane is always enjoyable. 3 should easily be in that price bracket (the 2 for 1 vouchers you can pick up online were always valid there too). 2 may have some green maintenance being carried out at this time if year but still playable. 

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Heard a rumour today that the Renaissance club  is in the running  to host the 2031 Ryder Cup. Not that surprising considering the serious money they have. It will be interesting to see if this comes true. 

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4 hours ago, Jeff said:

Aye Uphall is pretty nuts 😂

 

Great condition though

Was it busy when you were on the first tee?

 

If it was, you must have thinking that it is impossible to drive without hitting someone :lol:

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55 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said:

Was it busy when you were on the first tee?

 

If it was, you must have thinking that it is impossible to drive without hitting someone :lol:

 

We got lucky in that it was one guy by himself ahead of us. Was a four-ball behind us though so hole 2 was a laugh. No issues on 2/15 but can imagine it can be dodgy. 

 

The number of fore shouts across the road though was surreal 😂. I shouted fore right and immediately the group behind shouted fore left so I had to duck whilst shouting 😂. Good laugh but yeah a very nice course

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57 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said:

Was it busy when you were on the first tee?

 

If it was, you must have thinking that it is impossible to drive without hitting someone :lol:

Hate the first 3 holes at Uphall 😂

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1 hour ago, North Berwick Jambo said:

Heard a rumour today that the Renaissance club  is in the running  to host the 2031 Ryder Cup. Not that surprising considering the serious money they have. It will be interesting to see if this comes true. 

Would be very surprised at this if it was true .

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1 hour ago, North Berwick Jambo said:

Heard a rumour today that the Renaissance club  is in the running  to host the 2031 Ryder Cup. Not that surprising considering the serious money they have. It will be interesting to see if this comes true. 

 

Nice course but would need to toughen it up

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Forgot to mention my mate played the jammiest shot ever at hole 16 at Uphall (the green with the water around it). He underhit a pitching wedge and we were all saying uh oh here comes water but nahhh it hit the only rock in the stream and landed 6ft away 😐

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hmfc_liam06

What a brilliant course Baberton is, really enjoyed it. Course was in really good condition as well. Will definitely be back.

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15 hours ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

What a brilliant course Baberton is, really enjoyed it. Course was in really good condition as well. Will definitely be back.

 

Good to hear you enjoyed it! It does hold up remarkably well after pissing rain, which we certainly had plenty of on Saturday night.

 

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20 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Good to hear you enjoyed it! It does hold up remarkably well after pissing rain, which we certainly had plenty of on Saturday night.

 

 

Had pretty much everything I look for in a parkland. Elevation changes, tight tee shots and a lot of raised greens. My favourite course I've played in Edinburgh for sure.

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3 hours ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

Had pretty much everything I look for in a parkland. Elevation changes, tight tee shots and a lot of raised greens. My favourite course I've played in Edinburgh for sure.

 

I played Baberton a lot when I was younger and it is a great course. Played it once since the re-design but can't remember what 18 is like now. Is it still a hellish elevated green with OB all down the right?

 

 

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14 minutes ago, kila said:

 

I played Baberton a lot when I was younger and it is a great course. Played it once since the re-design but can't remember what 18 is like now. Is it still a hellish elevated green with OB all down the right?

 

 

 

Yeah I think so, 17th is a par 3 then the 18th tee next to the green and a boundary fence.

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On 20/09/2021 at 17:23, kila said:

 

I played Baberton a lot when I was younger and it is a great course. Played it once since the re-design but can't remember what 18 is like now. Is it still a hellish elevated green with OB all down the right?

 

 

Played it once recently and don't recognise that as the last hole, although it looked like the green had been moved left.

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The 18th is definitely OB all the way down the right hand side with a very tricky elevated green that drops off sharply on the left hand side with 2 big bunkers.

 

I've had many 3-putt/3-off-the-tee finishes on that hole.

:sob: 

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1 hour ago, Stu_HMFC said:

Anyone played Eyemouth ? Looking to play next month. 

Never played it but I follow them on Facebook. The Par 3 over the north sea looks incredible.

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3 minutes ago, Section N Rules said:

Never played it but I follow them on Facebook. The Par 3 over the north sea looks incredible.

Aye it looks class and £30 a round mid week too is priced not to bad. I'm going to play it in October. 

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5 minutes ago, Stu_HMFC said:

Aye it looks class and £30 a round mid week too is priced not to bad. I'm going to play it in October. 

Magdalene in Berwick also looks a good course. Only £30 too.

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Samuel Camazzola

Dumbarnie Links are extending their season into mid November with 'shoulder season' rates kicking in mid October. 

 

Played it again at the weekend and still as enjoyable as ever. Greens still very true despite being so young. 

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7 hours ago, Ray Gin said:

The 18th is definitely OB all the way down the right hand side with a very tricky elevated green that drops off sharply on the left hand side with 2 big bunkers.

 

I've had many 3-putt/3-off-the-tee finishes on that hole.

:sob: 

Looking at the video on the club website, the hole is as you described it, but it was in a different place when I played it.

 

How odd 

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hmfc_liam06
7 hours ago, Stu_HMFC said:

Anyone played Eyemouth ? Looking to play next month. 

 

It's decent enough, couple cracking holes and some so-so holes.

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7 hours ago, Stu_HMFC said:

Anyone played Eyemouth ? Looking to play next month. 

Bit of a mixed bag, some good holes and a few pretty average.

Also for a links course one massive climb up a big hill.

Its ok but not a favourite of mine.

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23 hours ago, Stu_HMFC said:

Anyone played Eyemouth ? Looking to play next month. 

I've played it 3 times. Twice on rounds with friends and once in their open. Always been in great condition and enjoyable, especially for £30.

Some boring holes but not many. Like Mac said the 11 is only 260 or so yards but straight up a hill, then 13 comes down it again so it feels like you can hit the ball for miles. Reminded me a bit of the glen in north berwick if you've played there before.

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9 minutes ago, neal-jambos said:

I've played it 3 times. Twice on rounds with friends and once in their open. Always been in great condition and enjoyable, especially for £30.

Some boring holes but not many. Like Mac said the 11 is only 260 or so yards but straight up a hill, then 13 comes down it again so it feels like you can hit the ball for miles. Reminded me a bit of the glen in north berwick if you've played there before.

I've no played the Glen before but seen what I think is the first looks like its a drive up a hill. No as bad as Gullane 1 wee hill ? hole 2 and 18 i think it was . 

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2 minutes ago, Stu_HMFC said:

I've no played the Glen before but seen what I think is the first looks like its a drive up a hill. No as bad as Gullane 1 wee hill ? 

Aye that's the one. It is similar in that it is more over cliffs with the ground a bit softer instead of proper links. The hole at Eyemouth is steeper than the first at Gullane 1 but not as far. My mate has drove the green once but every other time you end up in the same catchment area about 100 yards short even though the hole is only 250 yards. 

 

I'll probably end up playing eyemouth again next year unless we get any good weekend winter deals. It is challenging but if you strike the ball well it is fairly easy to score. Play badly and it can easily punish you. I play off 18 and have had a +4 front 9 and +3 back 9, but on separate rounds to just play to my handicap both times

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41 minutes ago, Stu_HMFC said:

I've no played the Glen before but seen what I think is the first looks like its a drive up a hill. No as bad as Gullane 1 wee hill ? hole 2 and 18 i think it was . 

You drive on the flat to the foot of the hill at the Glen, and then a short iron to a green at the top. Eyemouth is more a long drag up a pretty steep incline. I have got asthma and the Eyemouth hole leaves me needing oxygen😨😂

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On 31/08/2021 at 13:55, Samuel Camazzola said:

Not immediately close to the bridge but for value, Charleton is worth a visit. 

 

Tee times can sometimes be as low as £15 depending on the time and day of the week. 

I discovered this place on a recent break in Fife. I was worried that the price indicated it would be a farmer's field with clever photography on the website, especially give the green fees for all of its near neighbours. However, I was very pleasantly surprised at the quality of the course. The rough was more punishing than I'd have liked :o but I'm not sure that's entirely the greenkeeper's fault. What surprised me was the number of pitch marks on some greens that folk just hadn't had a go at repairing; I must have tried to repair about 3 for every one of my own. I wondered whether it was a Fifer thing - that they're used to playing on links so less accustomed to making the marks - but had a chat with the greenkeeper who said that it's mainly played by members who ought to know better. I'd definitely go back, though.

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Here is something that I just heard, wonder what you guys think of this strategy.

 

Here at Lundin Golf Club the new, lastest committee have had their hands full with all the ramifications of the last 18 months, the same as all other golf clubs. They put up members fees 100 quid to 680, then we pay 25 more for a locker.  (There is also a joining fee of currently 920 for new members and we have at the moment circa 60 on that list.)  The message was that we had been getting cheap golf for a long time and regardless of Covid that it was time that fees were raised year on year to get to a more realistic level.  Personally I did think in 2020 that 580 was pretty good value for the course we play and now 680 still seems very reasonable.  Interesting that the committee do not indicate what they believe to be a final realistic level in terms of annual fees for our course.

 

Also a summer season visitors round currently is 85 quid mid week and 100 at the weekend.  These are supposedly to change next year to 120 midweek and 150 at the weekend.  The committee believe that we are seen to be too cheap at 85 given our location and standing.  We are sitting at 31st in the top 100 courses in GB and Ireland apparently.  They believe that visitors are missing out on a great round of golf and that by increasing the fees to over 100 that they will view us differently.  Also with overseas visitors back next year, surely then even a slight increase in our usual numbers will generate a large chunk of additional income.

 

So the question is in this time of great economic difficulty in the golf market, especially in Fife where we are located is the tactic to go up in price a good one or is it a risk too far?  Should we not just sit at 85 or 90 just below the hundred mark and go for volume for next year, mind you that annoys the members of course? Or is getting over the hundred mark a good psychological barrier to break to reap more benefits?

 

My view is that I think the committee are perhaps slightly living in past glories where this was a course held in very high regard but this was before all the St Andrew's courses, Kingsbarns etc. were still pipe dreams.  It is a very, very good course but our overseas visitor numbers are relatively low against our home market visitors and so if we do not get enough of the former will the 120 put off the home market?

 

Thoughts?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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hmfc_liam06

No way I'd pay £150 for Lundin. I love the course but it's not in that bracket for me.

 

Fortunately I know plenty members 🤣

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3 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

Here is something that I just heard, wonder what you guys think of this strategy.

 

Here at Lundin Golf Club the new, lastest committee have had their hands full with all the ramifications of the last 18 months, the same as all other golf clubs. They put up members fees 100 quid to 680, then we pay 25 more for a locker.  (There is also a joining fee of currently 920 for new members and we have at the moment circa 60 on that list.)  The message was that we had been getting cheap golf for a long time and regardless of Covid that it was time that fees were raised year on year to get to a more realistic level.  Personally I did think in 2020 that 580 was pretty good value for the course we play and now 680 still seems very reasonable.  Interesting that the committee do not indicate what they believe to be a final realistic level in terms of annual fees for our course.

 

Also a summer season visitors round currently is 85 quid mid week and 100 at the weekend.  These are supposedly to change next year to 120 midweek and 150 at the weekend.  The committee believe that we are seen to be too cheap at 85 given our location and standing.  We are sitting at 31st in the top 100 courses in GB and Ireland apparently.  They believe that visitors are missing out on a great round of golf and that by increasing the fees to over 100 that they will view us differently.  Also with overseas visitors back next year, surely then even a slight increase in our usual numbers will generate a large chunk of additional income.

 

So the question is in this time of great economic difficulty in the golf market, especially in Fife where we are located is the tactic to go up in price a good one or is it a risk too far?  Should we not just sit at 85 or 90 just below the hundred mark and go for volume for next year, mind you that annoys the members of course? Or is getting over the hundred mark a good psychological barrier to break to reap more benefits?

 

My view is that I think the committee are perhaps slightly living in past glories where this was a course held in very high regard but this was before all the St Andrew's courses, Kingsbarns etc. were still pipe dreams.  It is a very, very good course but our overseas visitor numbers are relatively low against our home market visitors and so if we do not get enough of the former will the 120 put off the home market?

 

Thoughts?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

Here is something that I just heard, wonder what you guys think of this strategy.

 

Here at Lundin Golf Club the new, lastest committee have had their hands full with all the ramifications of the last 18 months, the same as all other golf clubs. They put up members fees 100 quid to 680, then we pay 25 more for a locker.  (There is also a joining fee of currently 920 for new members and we have at the moment circa 60 on that list.)  The message was that we had been getting cheap golf for a long time and regardless of Covid that it was time that fees were raised year on year to get to a more realistic level.  Personally I did think in 2020 that 580 was pretty good value for the course we play and now 680 still seems very reasonable.  Interesting that the committee do not indicate what they believe to be a final realistic level in terms of annual fees for our course.

 

Also a summer season visitors round currently is 85 quid mid week and 100 at the weekend.  These are supposedly to change next year to 120 midweek and 150 at the weekend.  The committee believe that we are seen to be too cheap at 85 given our location and standing.  We are sitting at 31st in the top 100 courses in GB and Ireland apparently.  They believe that visitors are missing out on a great round of golf and that by increasing the fees to over 100 that they will view us differently.  Also with overseas visitors back next year, surely then even a slight increase in our usual numbers will generate a large chunk of additional income.

 

So the question is in this time of great economic difficulty in the golf market, especially in Fife where we are located is the tactic to go up in price a good one or is it a risk too far?  Should we not just sit at 85 or 90 just below the hundred mark and go for volume for next year, mind you that annoys the members of course? Or is getting over the hundred mark a good psychological barrier to break to reap more benefits?

 

My view is that I think the committee are perhaps slightly living in past glories where this was a course held in very high regard but this was before all the St Andrew's courses, Kingsbarns etc. were still pipe dreams.  It is a very, very good course but our overseas visitor numbers are relatively low against our home market visitors and so if we do not get enough of the former will the 120 put off the home market?

 

Thoughts?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Our fees are limited to an annual increase of max 6% by the committee. Anything above that needs to be ratified at the AGM, which is a good safeguard. The trouble is committees are ever evolving and what this group think is reasonable the ones down the line might not.

I would question why such a massive jump is needed? when was the last time you had an increase. No matter what the level has been an increase of circa 20% seems excessive to me.

On the question of visitors it is a fine balancing act . For links courses you basically have two levels of visitor.

1. US visitors who tend to want to play the top courses,and are not put off by high prices, but also tend to stick to the famous names.

I would certainly say that an increase in prices probably wont affect this market negatively, but the question is what will the level of US customers be like over the next couple of years.

2. UK/European visitors who are more value orientated and you definitely risk losing this group if you up the prices significantly.

I am also at a Links course who has  fairly large visitor numbers, and we increased our prices 2/3 years ago and saw an upturn of US visitors, I would suspect through word of mouth and getting on US travel agent lists. 

This year we have seen during Aug/Sept a big increase in UK visitors who may well in other years have gone to Spain, Portugal etc..

 

There are so many good courses in Fife now, that it will be hard to stay relevant, and I think maybe spending some of the new income on a strong marketing campaign might prove beneficial.

hope that is of some interest/help

MM

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Furious Styles
7 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

No way I'd pay £150 for Lundin. I love the course but it's not in that bracket for me.

 

Fortunately I know plenty members 🤣


I paid £35 in November 2017 or 2018. 
That’s the top end of the range for me. To pay over £100, it would have to be something extra special. 

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31 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

Here is something that I just heard, wonder what you guys think of this strategy.

 

Here at Lundin Golf Club the new, lastest committee have had their hands full with all the ramifications of the last 18 months, the same as all other golf clubs. They put up members fees 100 quid to 680, then we pay 25 more for a locker.  (There is also a joining fee of currently 920 for new members and we have at the moment circa 60 on that list.)  The message was that we had been getting cheap golf for a long time and regardless of Covid that it was time that fees were raised year on year to get to a more realistic level.  Personally I did think in 2020 that 580 was pretty good value for the course we play and now 680 still seems very reasonable.  Interesting that the committee do not indicate what they believe to be a final realistic level in terms of annual fees for our course.

 

Also a summer season visitors round currently is 85 quid mid week and 100 at the weekend.  These are supposedly to change next year to 120 midweek and 150 at the weekend.  The committee believe that we are seen to be too cheap at 85 given our location and standing.  We are sitting at 31st in the top 100 courses in GB and Ireland apparently.  They believe that visitors are missing out on a great round of golf and that by increasing the fees to over 100 that they will view us differently.  Also with overseas visitors back next year, surely then even a slight increase in our usual numbers will generate a large chunk of additional income.

 

So the question is in this time of great economic difficulty in the golf market, especially in Fife where we are located is the tactic to go up in price a good one or is it a risk too far?  Should we not just sit at 85 or 90 just below the hundred mark and go for volume for next year, mind you that annoys the members of course? Or is getting over the hundred mark a good psychological barrier to break to reap more benefits?

 

My view is that I think the committee are perhaps slightly living in past glories where this was a course held in very high regard but this was before all the St Andrew's courses, Kingsbarns etc. were still pipe dreams.  It is a very, very good course but our overseas visitor numbers are relatively low against our home market visitors and so if we do not get enough of the former will the 120 put off the home market?

 

Thoughts?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Think you might need to check the 31ts ranking

Golf Monthly  top 100 UK courses - not featured

Top 100 Courses -UK LInks - 74th.

 

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3 minutes ago, merrymac said:

Think you might need to check the 31ts ranking

Golf Monthly  top 100 UK courses - not featured

Top 100 Courses -UK LInks - 74th.

 

Yeah should have said which list, I have no idea on these things but they obviously used this one.

 

https://www.top100golfcourses.com/golf-courses/britain-ireland/scotland?page=4

 

Lundin 31st on it but it looks like a marketing site of sorts.  Guess stats can be used from anywhere and anything and shaped how you want to present them.  Think it is the Marketing guy at the club or the Pro who will be citing this one.

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7 minutes ago, Furious Styles said:


I paid £35 in November 2017 or 2018. 
That’s the top end of the range for me. To pay over £100, it would have to be something extra special. 

Yeah think they had a winter rate back then which was pretty low, may even have been post 2.00pm, not sure.  They will have one of these again this winter I am sure but what it will be who knows.  It will need to be competitive that is for sure.

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1 minute ago, joondalupjambo said:

Yeah should have said which list, I have no idea on these things but they obviously used this one.

 

https://www.top100golfcourses.com/golf-courses/britain-ireland/scotland?page=4

 

Lundin 31st on it but it looks like a marketing site of sorts.  Guess stats can be used from anywhere and anything and shaped how you want to present them.  Think it is the Marketing guy at the club or the Pro who will be citing this one.

Don't want to be pedantic but that's Scotland not UK

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I think this is a product in the rise in popularity of golf. Seeing many clubs up their fees and green fees, cashing in on the upturn. 

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1 minute ago, joondalupjambo said:

Yeah think they had a winter rate back then which was pretty low, may even have been post 2.00pm, not sure.  They will have one of these again this winter I am sure but what it will be who knows.  It will need to be competitive that is for sure.


Beautiful course. Only one hole I didn’t like. Cracking experience. 

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17 minutes ago, merrymac said:

 

Our fees are limited to an annual increase of max 6% by the committee. Anything above that needs to be ratified at the AGM, which is a good safeguard. The trouble is committees are ever evolving and what this group think is reasonable the ones down the line might not.

I would question why such a massive jump is needed? when was the last time you had an increase. No matter what the level has been an increase of circa 20% seems excessive to me.

On the question of visitors it is a fine balancing act . For links courses you basically have two levels of visitor.

1. US visitors who tend to want to play the top courses,and are not put off by high prices, but also tend to stick to the famous names.

I would certainly say that an increase in prices probably wont affect this market negatively, but the question is what will the level of US customers be like over the next couple of years.

2. UK/European visitors who are more value orientated and you definitely risk losing this group if you up the prices significantly.

I am also at a Links course who has  fairly large visitor numbers, and we increased our prices 2/3 years ago and saw an upturn of US visitors, I would suspect through word of mouth and getting on US travel agent lists. 

This year we have seen during Aug/Sept a big increase in UK visitors who may well in other years have gone to Spain, Portugal etc..

 

There are so many good courses in Fife now, that it will be hard to stay relevant, and I think maybe spending some of the new income on a strong marketing campaign might prove beneficial.

hope that is of some interest/help

MM

Thanks MM.

 

We have been low fees for years now, I think we have only gone up circa 3% most years and one year it was a nil increase.  It too an age to get to the 580 and so even going to 680 in one jump most members saw it coming.  Then of course there was Covid with no visitors so the rationale was a decade of more of really cheap golf where previous committees maybe should have gone for larger % increases, then no visitors for virtually a year and the new lot said enough is enough.

 

Yep who knows how many Yanks will appear next summer, that is a calculation nobody can make accurately I would have thought, so looking to count too many of them at 150 could be a risk.

 

The UK/ Euro market in my view will be a crap shoot next year with loads of the UK ones going overseas or looking for quality at lower green fees because they will know that every club locally is operating in a very tight market.  150 might just be a stretch.

 

I am sure this new committee will have a marketing plan to go along with these new visitor rates so it will be interesting to see how that works in terms of producing numbers.  My fear is of course the new strategy does not work and then members fees go up a big whack to compensate the loss of income.  In saying all that I think if this was all seen as a new strategy then it may need to be voted through by members.  Maybe not though because it is simply a rise in green fees which the committee can do on their own.

 

Unless, according to the constitution you are in the club house on the night of the vote you cannot vote.  We have virtually nobody turning up at these meetings now, circa 60 out of 900 members, apathy, perhaps but in this day and age that constitution is outdated and remote member voting has to put in place.  However I guess it suits any committee to have less in attendance because there are less to convince and you can pack the room with 31 of your boys anyway.

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15 minutes ago, merrymac said:

Don't want to be pedantic but that's Scotland not UK

Sorry yeah it has a menu of Britain and Ireland but when you click on that and select Scotland you are right, 31st overall.  I just saw Britain and Ireland and quoted that, my bad 😀.

 

https://www.top100golfcourses.com/golf-courses/britain-ireland

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19 minutes ago, Furious Styles said:


Beautiful course. Only one hole I didn’t like. Cracking experience. 

The 11th by chance?

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1 minute ago, joondalupjambo said:

The 11th by chance?


Up the hill? If so, felt it didn’t fit with the rest of the course. 
Still one of my favourite courses I’ve played though. 

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6 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

Sorry yeah it has a menu of Britain and Ireland but when you click on that and select Scotland you are right, 31st overall.  I just saw Britain and Ireland and quoted that, my bad 😀.

 

https://www.top100golfcourses.com/golf-courses/britain-ireland

No worries there are so many options to choose from on that site

You are 74th best links in UK though, top 100 is decent considering the opposition:thumbsup:

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My membership was £630 this year and I binned it. I joined Ullapool for £160 or so and play it enough to get my monies worth. I get 1 or 2 rounds a week if I’m lucky.

 

I play opens through the season that cost me at most £25, most are £15/20. 
 

ive played , Golspie x3,Tain x2 strathpeffer x3, strathlene, Cullen , Muir of ord x3, kings, invergordon  and Kingussie . Got signed on at Royal Dornoch as well.

 

won around £500 in vouchers this year which is a bonus! I don’t think I’d go back to paying a hefty membership now and I think I’d get bored of playing the same place every week trying to justify my fees. 

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16 minutes ago, Furious Styles said:


Up the hill? If so, felt it didn’t fit with the rest of the course. 
Still one of my favourite courses I’ve played though. 

The 12th.   Usually 11 is cited because it is just a long, flat par 4.  Glad you liked the course.

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