hughesie27 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 Draw Tuesday to give us 2 potential opponents. First Leg then on Thursday next week to maybe give the brave ones a chance to book early... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 Just now, lsimp77 said: So will the home leg be first as we’re the priority 1 team or is it still random as is with any cup draw? That's a really good question, pot 1 should logically be first I think this question may have been answered earlier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 1 minute ago, lsimp77 said: So will the home leg be first leg as we’re the priority 1 team or is it still random as is with any cup draw? Random. But we will know on Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elljay Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 11 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Ah, the banter. Ferenc’s head coach by Cherchesov, former manager of Russia at the 2018 World Cup and a great mate of Putin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 Just now, Elljay said: Ferenc’s head coach by Cherchesov, former manager of Russia at the 2018 World Cup and a great mate of Putin If we draw them, hopefully he gets sanctioned and can't enter the UK........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Elljay said: Ferenc’s head coach by Cherchesov, former manager of Russia at the 2018 World Cup and a great mate of Putin Will he get access to the UK? 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elljay Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: Draw Tuesday to give us 2 potential opponents. First Leg then on Thursday next week to maybe give the brave ones a chance to book early... Train strikes on 18 and 20 Aug might limit travel to/from other uk airports😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 35 minutes ago, Elljay said: But the K in AEK Larnaca doesn’t 🤔 That K stands for Kition, a former city in Cyprus, apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazhearts Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 36 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: Draw Tuesday to give us 2 potential opponents. First Leg then on Thursday next week to maybe give the brave ones a chance to book early... I reckon Zurich are the only team who are overwhelming favourites to get through. If we draw them I might be tempted to book straight away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 46 minutes ago, tazhearts said: I reckon Zurich are the only team who are overwhelming favourites to get through. If we draw them I might be tempted to book straight away! If I was going to the first euro away leg I'd be doing this, absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braveheart Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Chuck Berry said: Been to 1FC Slovacko for a Scotland U21 game, they play in Uherske Hradiste, a 3 hour train ride from Prague. Nice little town (not too many pubs), decent ground. Shkupi will likely play at the national stadium in Skopje (the place is a decent night out), been a couple of times, same with Slovan Bratislava (new stadium). Been to a few of the others but not necessarily the stadiums they play in, Ground used for the u21 championships.italy played portugal.not a great place to visit again.in larnaca in 2017 and the stadium we went to see is literally across the other side of the car park from aek larnaca.met Valdas ivanauskas as he was manager of the away team.wouldn't mind a trip to maribor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 1 hour ago, tazhearts said: I reckon Zurich are the only team who are overwhelming favourites to get through. If we draw them I might be tempted to book straight away! Be careful to check if any other teams in Zurich or nearby are at all likely to be playing European football the same week. If that’s possible there may be a switch of fixtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzy2k7 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 4 hours ago, tazhearts said: I reckon Zurich are the only team who are overwhelming favourites to get through. If we draw them I might be tempted to book straight away! Would love Zurich, will definitely go if we draw them. Here's hoping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterboy Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, lsimp77 said: So will the home leg be the first leg as we’re the priority 1 team or is it still random as is with any cup draw? If its the same as other draws, a priority 1 ball will be drawn and placed in to an empty bowl, and then a priority 4 ball added. Mixed up and then drawn, first out plays at home first. Repeat a further 6 times with the remaining priority 1, 3 & 4 sides. Thats not been confirmed by UEFA yet so just my assumption based on previous, so take with a pinch of salt 😀 Edited July 28, 2022 by Waterboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 20 minutes ago, Waterboy said: If its the same as other draws, a priority 1 ball will be drawn and placed in to an empty bowl, and then a priority 4 ball added. Mixed up and then drawn, first out plays at home first. Repeat a further 6 times with the remaining priority 1, 3 & 4 sides. Thats not been confirmed by UEFA yet so just my assumption based on previous, so take with a pinch of salt 😀 UEFA site confirms the order of the draw but doesn’t mention how home and away will be determined. So it would seem that will be worked into the draw somehow rather than pre-determined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Rambo Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 11 hours ago, Homme said: There's about 7 from that list I'd fancy our chances against. 5 or 6 of them likely heading out though 🤣 Thought the same. There's probably 5 or 6, based on rank etc, we should beat but 3 or 4 will go out. Still,, over two legs anything can happen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: UEFA site confirms the order of the draw but doesn’t mention how home and away will be determined. So it would seem that will be worked into the draw somehow rather than pre-determined First team out is home first is what i saw on the draw pages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModJambo Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 I've been to Belgrade which is let's just say, interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterboy Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: UEFA site confirms the order of the draw but doesn’t mention how home and away will be determined. So it would seem that will be worked into the draw somehow rather than pre-determined UEFA have this on their site for other rounds/competitions, what my assumption is based on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 15 hours ago, JimmyCant said: £10 a pint though carryouts and spliffs in Christianhaven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 58 minutes ago, ModJambo said: I've been to Belgrade which is let's just say, interesting... I was in Belgrade for the Scotland game a few years ago, think it was Strachans first game, stayed there and got the bus to the game in Novi Sad, we had a great time and found the locals surprisingly friendly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 At least all the opponents are somewhat easily reachable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boag1874 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 For progression we've got the best chance if we draw the winner of Shamrock/Shkupi. We'd be favourites there. Fenerbahce & Olympiacos both very big sides with mental supports, they're the 'glamour' ties. Maribor & Malmo not as strong as they have been recently but still two hard games with their European experience compared to us. HJK, Partizan & Zurich are also tough opposition. The rest I'd fancy us against but they're likely to get put out this round. Glad we have that Conference League safety net in any case because it's likely going to be a hard one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, boag1874 said: For progression we've got the best chance if we draw the winner of Shamrock/Shkupi. We'd be favourites there. Fenerbahce & Olympiacos both very big sides with mental supports, they're the 'glamour' ties. Maribor & Malmo not as strong as they have been recently but still two hard games with their European experience compared to us. HJK, Partizan & Zurich are also tough opposition. The rest I'd fancy us against but they're likely to get put out this round. Glad we have that Conference League safety net in any case because it's likely going to be a hard one. I reckon the 7 winners will be Fenerbache Partizan Belgrade Olympiacos Zurich Shkupi Maribor Malmo Bottom 4 we have a very good chance over 2 legs. Top 3 look a big ask but do-able Even better chances if one or two of the bigger favourites go out here Edited July 28, 2022 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 I think our chances range from tough tie to we are getting humped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: I reckon the 7 winners will be Fenerbache Partizan Belgrade Olympiacos Zurich Shkupi Maribor Malmo Bottom 4 we have a very good chance over 2 legs. Top 3 look a big ask but do-able Even better chances if one or two of the bigger favourites go out here That's just based entirely on recognising the name though isn't it? I think Zurich will be a very tough game. Olympiakos and Fenerbache don't look anything like the teams of old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: That's just based entirely on recognising the name though isn't it? I think Zurich will be a very tough game. Olympiakos and Fenerbache don't look anything like the teams of old. No it’s based on looking at both teams, doing a wee bit looking around and having an opinion as to who will win, given their standing, their experience, the league they play in, their current position, their recent relevant results. (worth remembering they all (bar 2)just got beat over 2 legs, some of them unexpectedly) Being clear, there are very few going to be left that we’d be favourites to beat but we’ve got at least a 50-50, draw depending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Just now, JimmyCant said: No it’s based on looking at both teams, doing a wee bit looking around and having an opinion as to who will win, given their standing, their experience, the league they play in, their current position, their recent relevant results. (worth remembering they all (bar 2)just got beat over 2 legs, some of them unexpectedly) Being clear, there are very few going to be left that we’d be favourites to beat but we’ve got at least a 50-50, draw depending. Olympiakos lost 0-4 at home. Malmo lost 0-2 at home. Surely both clubs in a bad place to lose so convincingly on their own patch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 53 minutes ago, allyjambo said: I was in Belgrade for the Scotland game a few years ago, think it was Strachans first game, stayed there and got the bus to the game in Novi Sad, we had a great time and found the locals surprisingly friendly. It’s the same in every Eastern European country. I’m bored of people on here claiming all these places are dangerous. I’ve never felt in danger anywhere in Eastern Europe. You’re much more likely to get attacked in Edinburgh than Belgrade etc. locals are all ridiculously accommodating too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, Dayman said: It’s the same in every Eastern European country. I’m bored of people on here claiming all these places are dangerous. I’ve never felt in danger anywhere in Eastern Europe. You’re much more likely to get attacked in Edinburgh than Belgrade etc. locals are all ridiculously accommodating too. Completely different story when you are part of a football crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Olympiakos lost 0-4 at home. Malmo lost 0-2 at home. Surely both clubs in a bad place to lose so convincingly on their own patch? Malmö when you go back a bit have dropped in the last few seasons so I’d maybe fancy us against them. Okympiakos ? That looks like a freak result to me. They’re not great but you need to take into account that we’re novices at this level and going there would be a trial of nerve Edited July 28, 2022 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Just now, Dayman said: It’s the same in every Eastern European country. I’m bored of people on here claiming all these places are dangerous. I’ve never felt in danger anywhere in Eastern Europe. You’re much more likely to get attacked in Edinburgh than Belgrade etc. locals are all ridiculously accommodating too. yeah have gone east quite a lot on my Scotland travels, Georgia, Moldova, Serbia, Ukraine, Macedonia, Albania and Russia amongst others, enjoy those ones so much more than the Ireland, Wales, Spain and Norway types trips. Never felt in danger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModJambo Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, allyjambo said: I was in Belgrade for the Scotland game a few years ago, think it was Strachans first game, stayed there and got the bus to the game in Novi Sad, we had a great time and found the locals surprisingly friendly. Locals are brand new. It's a good night out but the city is intimidating in terms of the way it looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 If the goal is to make the KO stages of the conference league, is it the easier path through the EL group stages or the ECL group stages? Would be interested to hear people's thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said: If the goal is to make the KO stages of the conference league, is it the easier path through the EL group stages or the ECL group stages? Would be interested to hear people's thoughts. Presumably knock out in the ECL via Europa would require is to finish 2nd in Europa group? I'd be surprised if we earned a point in a Europa Group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Just now, hughesie27 said: Presumably knock out in the ECL via Europa would require is to finish 2nd in Europa group? I'd be surprised if we earned a point in a Europa Group. I think third in UEL group gets ko in ECL, 2nd in UEL group gets next ko round of UEL, 1st in UEL skips to next again ko round ( I think), fourth in UEL gets a Bendy Bully and yer BFH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: Presumably knock out in the ECL via Europa would require is to finish 2nd in Europa group? I'd be surprised if we earned a point in a Europa Group. 3rd in the Europa goes into the knockout playoff for the ECL against 2nd place group finishers in ECL. Basically what I'm asking is is it harder to finish 3rd in EL group or 2nd in ECL? I personally think the former is more realistic as I don't think the difference in quality between EL and ECL is that big, but interested to hear if anyone has any insight on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Malmö when you go back a bit have dropped in the last few seasons so I’d maybe fancy us against them. Okympiakos ? That looks like a freak result to me. They’re not great but you need to take into account that we’re novices at this level and going there would be a trial of nerve I'd be interested to know what's happened at Malmo. They've gone from Europa League finalists Rangers home and away to qualify for the Champions League group to pumped out early in one season. Surely they had a massive windfall from last season ? I think Hearts against Olympiakos or Fenerbache could be a lot closer than expected. Look at St Johnstone v Galatasaray or Aberdeen v Burnley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said: 3rd in the Europa goes into the knockout playoff for the ECL against 2nd place group finishers in ECL. Basically what I'm asking is is it harder to finish 3rd in EL group or 2nd in ECL? I personally think the former is more realistic as I don't think the difference in quality between EL and ECL is that big, but interested to hear if anyone has any insight on this. I'd agree with you. ECL looks to be made up of a lot of teams I've never even heard of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: I'd be interested to know what's happened at Malmo. They've gone from Europa League finalists Rangers home and away to qualify for the Champions League group to pumped out early in one season. Surely they had a massive windfall from last season ? I think Hearts against Olympiakos or Fenerbache could be a lot closer than expected. Look at St Johnstone v Galatasaray or Aberdeen v Burnley. I don’t think either of them travel that well so if you get them, you’d probably want them at home first and really go at them and try and build a lead. Our atmosphere will be a surprise to a lot of teams so we need to match that with our intensity on the pitch if we’re playing teams like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said: 3rd in the Europa goes into the knockout playoff for the ECL against 2nd place group finishers in ECL. Basically what I'm asking is is it harder to finish 3rd in EL group or 2nd in ECL? I personally think the former is more realistic as I don't think the difference in quality between EL and ECL is that big, but interested to hear if anyone has any insight on this. I reckon (purely personal opinion) that it’s easier to finish 3rd in an EL group than it would be to finish 2nd in a UCL group. 4-5 points might be enough in the EL, you might need double that to be 2nd in the UCL. All about the luck of the draw and how prepared and committed you are of course Edited July 28, 2022 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 minute ago, JimmyCant said: I reckon (purely personal opinion) that it’s easier to finish 3rd in an EL group than it would be to finish 2nd in a UCL group. 4-5 points might be enough in the EL, you might need double that to be 2nd in the UCL. All about the luck of the draw and how prepared and committed you are of course Aye that's my thinking. You only need to be drawn with one diddy in the EL whereas you would need to be drawn with 2 in the ECL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 The ECL will have some good teams in it. Hearts would still be doing very well (at this stage) to finish third in a group IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said: Aye that's my thinking. You only need to be drawn with one diddy in the EL whereas you would need to be drawn with 2 in the ECL. We will be the Diddy team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Aye but we could luck out and be in with a team who are even diddier than us 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Last years Europa League Groups Group A: Lyon, Rangers, Sparta Prague and Brondby Group B: Monaco, PSV, Real Sociedad and Sturm Graz Group C: Napoli, Leicester, Spartak Moscow and Legia Warsaw Group D: Olympiakos, Eintracht Frankfurt, Fenerbahce and Antwerp Group E: Lazio, Lokomotiv Moscow, Marseille and Galatasaray Group F: Braga, Red Star Belgrade, Ludogorets and Midjtylland Group G: Leverkusen, Celtic, Real Betis and Ferencvaros Like I said, struggle to get a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Homme said: The ECL will have some good teams in it. Hearts would still be doing very well (at this stage) to finish third in a group IMO. Finishing 3rd in the ECL means you're out. The question is whether 2nd in the ECL or 3rd in the EL is a more achievable route to the ECL knockouts. Both almost certainly beyond us, but maybe fluking 4 points against the 3rd seed in the Europa League group is the slightly less unlikely route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 minute ago, DC_92 said: Finishing 3rd in the ECL means you're out. The question is whether 2nd in the ECL or 3rd in the EL is a more achievable route to the ECL knockouts. Both almost certainly beyond us, but maybe fluking 4 points against the 3rd seed in the Europa League group is the slightly less unlikely route. Be difficult either way. We are the rookies, but we have a packed Tynecastle which can be a leveller! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: We will be the Diddy team. 100% but if we get another diddy team it's a 50/50 in the diddy-off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Last years Conference League Groups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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