graygo Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, ShortmanRossco said: I'm not debating that either. You are still missing the point. The original statement was based around a player couldn't be great without winning anything. Robbo was a great player but didn't actually win anything as a player on the pitch. Therefore I'd say this invalidates the original statement that a player couldn't be great if he didn't win anything. Pick another player chief, your point is correct but not with Robbo as an example. 👍 Did Levein win anything? Can he be considered a "great"? Edited March 24, 2023 by graygo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 49 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said: So if we never won the cup that day Robbo for you wouldn't be considered a great? Really? No, not in anyway. You know that though. You are looking to pick an argument as is your normal practice. My argument is Robbo isn't just a great, he is also a winner. The fact he didn't play in final is immaterial, he has medal to prove he's a winner. Now you can disappear again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naisys Tackle Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said: No, not in anyway. You know that though. You are looking to pick an argument as is your normal practice. My argument is Robbo isn't just a great, he is also a winner. The fact he didn't play in final is immaterial, he has medal to prove he's a winner. Now you can disappear again. So much anger all the time. Kane should come up and play for Celtic for a year towards the end of his career then to make himself a great and a winner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortmanRossco Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, graygo said: Pick another player chief, your point is correct but not with Robbo as an example. 👍 Did Levein win anything? Can he be considered a "great"? Good example my friend. Citing Levein as an example great sadly brings on it's own bone of contention on JKB though due his latter record as a manager. Can't win sometimes eh? 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 28 minutes ago, graygo said: Pick another player chief, your point is correct but not with Robbo as an example. 👍 Did Levein win anything? Can he be considered a "great"? Serial loser, although I still have a black and white photo of them winning the Tennents 6s in that grey top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 18 penalties in the 54, should’ve broke the record at the WC 😆, wonder if they had naff jersey and picture in Qatar 🤣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Serial loser, although I still have a black and white photo of them winning the Tennents 6s in that grey top. So not a serial loser then. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, ShortmanRossco said: Good example my friend. Citing Levein as an example great sadly brings on it's own bone of contention on JKB though due his latter record as a manager. Can't win sometimes eh? 😁 Anyone who doesn't thin Levein was a great player for us either never saw him play or have let his managerial performance cloud their opinion. That should stir things up. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, graygo said: So not a serial loser then. 😉 Like his best pal (😆) Gary Mackay and a few others all deserved a medal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Like his best pal (😆) Gary Mackay and a few others all deserved a medal. Quite a few from around that time. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naisys Tackle Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 52 minutes ago, graygo said: Anyone who doesn't thin Levein was a great player for us either never saw him play or have let his managerial performance cloud their opinion. That should stir things up. 😄 Ahhh but he wasn't a winner though - unlike Dave McPherson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said: Ahhh but he wasn't a winner though - unlike Dave McPherson Hell will freeze over before I refuse to accept winning the Tennents sixes is an achievement. 😡😠 Edited March 24, 2023 by graygo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naisys Tackle Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, graygo said: Hell will freeze over before I refuse to accept winning the Tennents sixes is an achievement. 😡😠 me too tbh - love it and got the day off school the next day! Loved the sixes in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted March 24, 2023 Author Share Posted March 24, 2023 3 hours ago, graygo said: Hell will freeze over before I refuse to accept winning the Tennents sixes is an achievement. 😡😠 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder and Lightning Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Harry kane is a fat ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted March 24, 2023 Author Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Thunder and Lightning said: Harry kane is a fat ride. He’s not fat. He’s a tremendous striker though. Are you as ‘fat’ as Sir Harold’? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Morgan said: He’s not fat. He’s a tremendous striker though. Are you as ‘fat’ as Sir Harold’? He's not tremendous. Haaland is tremendous. He's very good, tremendous Edited March 25, 2023 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Kane goals record 287 (age 29) Haaland goals record 187 (age 22) Let's not put Ronaldo and Messi into the tremendous argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Was quite surprised at Kane's My stats are from Wiki. A wee bit better than St Gary's and a lot better than Rooney's Kane 54 in 84 Rooney 53 in 120 Sir Bobby 49 in 106 Lineker 48 in 80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: Kane goals record 287 (age 29) Haaland goals record 187 (age 22) Let's not put Ronaldo and Messi into the tremendous argument. 2 world class strikers Haaland and Kane. When you look at what Haaland has done at City, you can see why Kane wanted to move there. Kane wanted to move there 2-3 years ago. Lewandowski and Haaland both moved from Borussia on to a bigger money club to bag the big trophies. Mbappe did the same. Bale did the same. Even Christiano Ronaldo did the same. Whereas guys like Alan Shearer and Paul Gascoine could’ve had 10-15 trophies if theyd gone to Man United in the 90s. They were both world class players but you’ve got to move to the top club. It’s a pretty sad thing in football. It’s the same effect in Scotland as to why literally any player will take a move to the OF. The players want to win. Since it’s a short career you’re not at one of the top clubs then you probably won’t win the trophies. Haaland does not have any of the Big trophies either right now. But he’s made the right move on paper. That’s what Kanes not done, at 29 now, it shows you why quality players are often reluctant to sign these 5 year deals and hand over their future to the hands of a guy like Levy. Levy is the primary reason Kane may go the career without a trophy. That & being English Edited March 25, 2023 by A_A wehatethehibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 23 hours ago, TheBigO said: I think sometmes everyone can be right. Kane is obviously very good at what he does. Hes an extremely good striker. However he is also a cheat. If an Italian had been doing what he did the other night, or some other Johnny Foreigner every other time I've seen him play the commentators would be up in arms. Not only constantly "looking for fouls", but outright diving (all of which is "clever play" when you're English), and he also gets right in the refs face, asking for yellows, claiming everything and also quick enough in the refs face should anything be given against them. Hey, it goes on. Fair play, he does all of that well I suppose. But he does it along with a MODEL PROFESSIONAL image. It's nauseating. I deplore cheating and yes HK is guilty, so is Thierry Henri, Maradona, Ronaldo, Messi, Bruno Fernandez, Mbappe, Neymar, and many more,(including Hearts players) so why single out Harry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 22 hours ago, briever said: With a trophy cabinet as empty as a nuns chuff. I suspect he has a lot more trophies than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 6 hours ago, ri Alban said: He's not tremendous. Haaland is tremendous. He's very good, tremendous If a guy who has scored 200+ in the EPL is not “tremendous” then what is he? Conparable scoring rate to Thierry Henry and Aguero. But we get it, he’s English and you can’t cope with that 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 21 hours ago, Cruyff said: He's a great player for Tottenham and a great striker for England but he won't be remembered as a world great because he's never won a sausage. That's a fact. You might forget, but football fans won't. I can only assume you have forgotten about players like Tom Finney and Socrates. I can't remember any footballer who has won a sausage though. He has won over 80 England caps. he's been top scorer in the premier league three times, and top scorer in the world cup. How do you classify a world great? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, H2 said: You might forget, but football fans won't. I can only assume you have forgotten about players like Tom Finney and Socrates. I can't remember any footballer who has won a sausage though. He has won over 80 England caps. he's been top scorer in the premier league three times, and top scorer in the world cup. How do you classify a world great? Pretty sure Finney and Socrates will always be remembered. Harry Kane a world great. Hilarious. As I said, a great striker for Spurs and England but he's never going to be in that elite bracket because he plays for Spurs. Even Jamie Vardy managed to win Leicester a title ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 33 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Pretty sure Finney and Socrates will always be remembered. Harry Kane a world great. Hilarious. As I said, a great striker for Spurs and England but he's never going to be in that elite bracket because he plays for Spurs. Even Jamie Vardy managed to win Leicester a title ffs. That's some logic with the Vardy example! Tomy Finney never won a league title, neither did Socrates, how does that work in your logic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, H2 said: That's some logic with the Vardy example! Tomy Finney never won a league title, neither did Socrates, how does that work in your logic? Because they're legends of the game. Harry Kane is not, no matter how delusional you are. Not in a million years. Wayne Rooney was 100x the player, possibly England's greatest. Michael Owen won a ballon d'Or. Vardy won Leicester a Premier League and Player of the Season. Harry Kane..... 👀 Kane will be remembered for knocking a penalty over the bar in a WC and being a diving cheat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Kane never delivers when it matters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Cruyff said: Because they're legends of the game. Harry Kane is not, no matter how delusional you are. Not in a million years. Wayne Rooney was 100x the player, possibly England's greatest. Michael Owen won a ballon d'Or. Vardy won Leicester a Premier League and Player of the Season. Harry Kane..... 👀 Kane will be remembered for knocking a penalty over the bar in a WC and being a diving cheat. Why do you call me delusional? Maradona is best remembered for being a cheat. You say Wayne Rooney possibly England's greatest, how does that work with your logic, he didn't win a world cup medal, and will always be way behind the great Jimmy Greaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, H2 said: Maradona is best remembered for being a cheat. Nah, come on now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Smithee said: Nah, come on now! No more famous act of cheating in football than him handling the ball into the net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, H2 said: Why do you call me delusional? Maradona is best remembered for being a cheat. You say Wayne Rooney possibly England's greatest, how does that work with your logic, he didn't win a world cup medal, and will always be way behind the great Jimmy Greaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, H2 said: No more famous act of cheating in football than him handling the ball into the net Maradona isn't best remembered for being a cheat though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 20 minutes ago, H2 said: Why do you call me delusional? Maradona is best remembered for being a cheat. You say Wayne Rooney possibly England's greatest, how does that work with your logic, he didn't win a world cup medal, and will always be way behind the great Jimmy Greaves. Hardly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 4 hours ago, H2 said: I deplore cheating and yes HK is guilty, so is Thierry Henri, Maradona, Ronaldo, Messi, Bruno Fernandez, Mbappe, Neymar, and many more,(including Hearts players) so why single out Harry? Because no one (except me/scotland supporters) ever mentions it with Kane! Model pro, as i say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 4 hours ago, H2 said: I deplore cheating and yes HK is guilty, so is Thierry Henri, Maradona, Ronaldo, Messi, Bruno Fernandez, Mbappe, Neymar, and many more,(including Hearts players) so why single out Harry? Yeah, why single out the captain of our biggest rivals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Smithee said: Yeah, why single out the captain of our biggest rivals? He doesn't play for Hibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, H2 said: He doesn't play for Hibs And you weren't talking about Maradona at club level either, so not really relevant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Smithee said: Maradona isn't best remembered for being a cheat though. I think he probably is in the UK, Scots love remembering it to wind up the English, and the English hate it because of consequences to them. Probably the most talked about cheating incident in football history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Smithee said: And you weren't talking about Maradona at club level either, so not really relevant PMSL you have a box of straws? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, H2 said: I think he probably is in the UK, Scots love remembering it to wind up the English, and the English hate it because of consequences to them. Probably the most talked about cheating incident in football history. He still isn't best remembered for cheating though, he just isn't mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, H2 said: PMSL you have a box of straws? He says, trying to score a point on a technicality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Smithee said: He says, trying to score a point on a technicality No points for cheating 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 Best remembered (ever, ever) for this.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 22 minutes ago, H2 said: I think he probably is in the UK, Scots love remembering it to wind up the English, and the English hate it because of consequences to them. Probably the most talked about cheating incident in football history. You've lost it if you think that. You've even answered the argument. If you were to pick England's greatest XI, who you picking upfront? It's Greaves and Rooney all day long. You said it yourself. Kane doesn't even enter the conversation. Greatest EPL striker? In modern times Henry, Drogba, Aguero, Van Nistelrooy, Rooney, Van Persie going back Owen, Fowler, Cole, Shearer... Kane's in the conversation but let's be honest, he's probably not even making the bench. If he stays at Spurs, he might finish with a statue and that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 There's some absolute balloons on this forum Kane is a fantastic player ffs. Does the hardest thing in football and does it consistently and does it with relative ease. Hilarious to suggest anything different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said: There's some absolute balloons on this forum Kane is a fantastic player ffs. Does the hardest thing in football and does it consistently and does it with relative ease. Hilarious to suggest anything different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said: There's some absolute balloons on this forum Kane is a fantastic player ffs. Does the hardest thing in football and does it consistently and does it with relative ease. Hilarious to suggest anything different The thing is..... No one is suggesting anything to the contrary. Well done for reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 23 hours ago, graygo said: Anyone who doesn't thin Levein was a great player for us either never saw him play or have let his managerial performance cloud their opinion. That should stir things up. 😄 Craig Levein is not just one of Hearts greatest players but one of the best Scotland produced. Fantastic player, just a pity about his injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 I always feel a bit put out that I never got to witness Levein play considering what the near universal appraisal of him as a player seems to be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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