H2 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 On 26/03/2022 at 21:22, Cruyff said: He's a great striker. Unfortunately, he'll always be known as a cheat. To you perhaps, like Maradonna Ronaldo, and Thierry Henry ?... and many more. Harry Kane is a great player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 22 minutes ago, H2 said: To you perhaps, like Maradonna Ronaldo, and Thierry Henry ?... and many more. Harry Kane is a great player. Cannae be great if you've not won any trophies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Cannae be great if you've not won any trophies. He has got trophies, many player of the years from different sources. But maybe you mean like league titles, the main domestic cups, Euro and world Cups. On that basis you'll be saying Matt Le Tissuer is not a great player. and the 60 times capped Brazilian Socrates. But then lets' look at your belief. You will conclude that Jason Cummings is a better player than Harry Kane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, H2 said: He has got trophies, many player of the years from different sources. But maybe you mean like league titles, the main domestic cups, Euro and world Cups. On that basis you'll be saying Matt Le Tissuer is not a great player. and the 60 times capped Brazilian Socrates. But then lets' look at your belief. You will conclude that Jason Cummings is a better player than Harry Kane. You're just making stuff up now. Kane might have more chance of a medal at the olympics in the diving tbf. Edited June 15, 2022 by Cruyff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Cruyff said: You're just making stuff up now. Kane might have more chance of a medal at the olympics in the diving tbf. LOL, nothing there is made up at all facts, Le Tis never won a major trophy, Socrates never won a major trophy, Cummings is a Scottish Cup winner. Your logic! I think suggesting Kane winning an Olympics diving medal is making things up. Fact is Harry Kane is a great player A player who can score 49 goals for England in 69 games, can't be bad. 25, 29 and 30 goals in the English premier is successive seasons - That's a great player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briever Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, H2 said: LOL, nothing there is made up at all facts, Le Tis never won a major trophy, Socrates never won a major trophy, Cummings is a Scottish Cup winner. Your logic! I think suggesting Kane winning an Olympics diving medal is making things up. Fact is Harry Kane is a great player A player who can score 49 goals for England in 69 games, can't be bad. 25, 29 and 30 goals in the English premier is successive seasons - That's a great player. Socrates won 4 Brazilian league medals - major enough for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, briever said: Socrates won 4 Brazilian league medals - major enough for you? Really, could you tell me which teams and in what year. Here is a little bit of help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campeonato_Brasileiro_Série_A = The major League in Brazil Does not look like any major league wins to me. He did win some San Paulo regional league medals in Brazil, but that's not national Brazilian League. He was South American footballer of the year in 1983. One thing without like Harry Kane, a great player. In terms of major or trophies you should really ask Cruyff, he's the one making the trophy rules to measure greatness. Edited June 15, 2022 by H2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Dave Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Kane's a diving rat. Media never go after him which is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briever Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, H2 said: Really, could you tell me which teams and in what year. Here is a little bit of help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campeonato_Brasileiro_Série_A = The major League in Brazil Does not look like any major league wins to me. He did win some San Paulo regional league medals in Brazil, but that's not national Brazilian League. He was South American footballer of the year in 1983. One thing without like Harry Kane, a great player. In terms of major or trophies you should really ask Cruyff, he's the one making the trophy rules to measure greatness. Apologies, I misread that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, briever said: Apologies, I misread that. No prob, apologies, I'm an anorak! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 He’ll never make it as a striker. Doesn't score enough goals. 😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 56 minutes ago, Morgan said: He’ll never make it as a striker. Doesn't score enough goals. 😜 Robbie would use him as a deep holding midfielder as he'd work hard in any case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naisys Tackle Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Fantastic player. Well done Harry. United bound this summer too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 6 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said: Fantastic player. Well done Harry. United bound this summer too. Where he’ll probably still win feck all 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) On 15/06/2022 at 13:26, Cruyff said: Cannae be great if you've not won any trophies. And in an instant writes off generations of great Hearts players. Edited March 24 by Tazio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ǝǝɥʇᴉɯS Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 19 minutes ago, Tazio said: And in an instant writes off generations of great Hearts players. To be fair, he's a decent enough player, but he's no Darren Barr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 40 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Where he’ll probably still win feck all 😂 🤞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Records better than trophies 🤔🤷🏾♂️? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Well done Harry and his new record and him not taking out another satellite with his penalty. Oh and now roll on England winning the Euros. Just Imagine if Jimmy Greaves played against San Marino, Lichtenstein and the Gibraltars of this world. 57 games 44 goals. Class. Scotland were quite good, before some smart arse comes back with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Oh and Ya square headed, big chinned prick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percival King Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 7 hours ago, Robbies Tackle said: Fantastic player. Well done Harry. United bound this summer too. Why? Has he got relatives in Dundee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19052012 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 8 hours ago, Robbies Tackle said: Fantastic player. Well done Harry. United bound this summer too. I think he'll end up at City before he ends up at Utd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAndy Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 6 minutes ago, 19052012 said: I think he'll end up at City before he ends up at Utd. Not if Haaland is still there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortmanRossco Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 11 hours ago, Tazio said: And in an instant writes off generations of great Hearts players. By this logic Robbo wouldn't be a Hearts great. Certainly an interesting take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 11 hours ago, Tazio said: And in an instant writes off generations of great Hearts players. No the same thing tbf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, ShortmanRossco said: By this logic Robbo wouldn't be a Hearts great. Certainly an interesting take. Why? He received a winners medal in 1998. Saw it myself at Parkhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 On 15/06/2022 at 14:00, H2 said: LOL, nothing there is made up at all facts, Le Tis never won a major trophy, Socrates never won a major trophy, Cummings is a Scottish Cup winner. Your logic! I think suggesting Kane winning an Olympics diving medal is making things up. Fact is Harry Kane is a great player A player who can score 49 goals for England in 69 games, can't be bad. 25, 29 and 30 goals in the English premier is successive seasons - That's a great player. I think sometmes everyone can be right. Kane is obviously very good at what he does. Hes an extremely good striker. However he is also a cheat. If an Italian had been doing what he did the other night, or some other Johnny Foreigner every other time I've seen him play the commentators would be up in arms. Not only constantly "looking for fouls", but outright diving (all of which is "clever play" when you're English), and he also gets right in the refs face, asking for yellows, claiming everything and also quick enough in the refs face should anything be given against them. Hey, it goes on. Fair play, he does all of that well I suppose. But he does it along with a MODEL PROFESSIONAL image. It's nauseating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortmanRossco Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 13 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Why? He received a winners medal in 1998. Saw it myself at Parkhead. True but he didn't play in the final itself. Suppose it depends on how pedantic you want to be about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 5 minutes ago, TheBigO said: I think sometmes everyone can be right. Kane is obviously very good at what he does. Hes an extremely good striker. However he is also a cheat. If an Italian had been doing what he did the other night, or some other Johnny Foreigner every other time I've seen him play the commentators would be up in arms. Not only constantly "looking for fouls", but outright diving (all of which is "clever play" when you're English), and he also gets right in the refs face, asking for yellows, claiming everything and also quick enough in the refs face should anything be given against them. Hey, it goes on. Fair play, he does all of that well I suppose. But he does it along with a MODEL PROFESSIONAL image. It's nauseating. Did you see him crawl back onto the pitch from way behind the goal line last night feigning injury to hold up play? Commentator tried to justify it by saying he was manfully trying to get back into the game. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19052012 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 4 hours ago, TexasAndy said: Not if Haaland is still there. I don't think he will be. I can see Madrid trying to buy out his release clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheBigO Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 minutes ago, graygo said: Did you see him crawl back onto the pitch from way behind the goal line last night feigning injury to hold up play? Commentator tried to justify it by saying he was manfully trying to get back into the game. 😄 It's actually hilarious. One right near the end, very innocuous foul, he had more rolls than Bains! Squealing away while he did so too. As I say, if that was, I duno, Neymar I guess, they'd be up in arms. Or at the very least they'd be laughing at him. He is a good player though, hard to deny. Does he do it when it really matters or is he a flat track bully is the only question I guess? But then thats the question about England in general, for all how brilly brilliant they are. They're playing against an Italy team made up of boys from Atalanta, Roma etc, and a dude upfront plucked from a second rate Argentinian team. Good level of course, but hardly the gliteratti of world football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Oh and another - minor - thing. The penalty they scored from, VAR not fancy looking at Kane's push on the defender as the ball is in the air, no? Another reason VAR is pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 51 minutes ago, ShortmanRossco said: True but he didn't play in the final itself. Suppose it depends on how pedantic you want to be about it. That's neither here nor there. He was part of cup final winning squad and as such won a medal. FFS, a Hearts fan saying Robbo didn't win a medal. That's a low, even for here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 42 minutes ago, TheBigO said: It's actually hilarious. One right near the end, very innocuous foul, he had more rolls than Bains! Squealing away while he did so too. As I say, if that was, I duno, Neymar I guess, they'd be up in arms. Or at the very least they'd be laughing at him. He is a good player though, hard to deny. Does he do it when it really matters or is he a flat track bully is the only question I guess? But then thats the question about England in general, for all how brilly brilliant they are. They're playing against an Italy team made up of boys from Atalanta, Roma etc, and a dude upfront plucked from a second rate Argentinian team. Good level of course, but hardly the gliteratti of world football. You're right about Italy, going through a lull just now. Didn't qualify for last world cup which should be unthinkable for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said: That's neither here nor there. He was part of cup final winning squad and as such won a medal. FFS, a Hearts fan saying Robbo didn't win a medal. That's a low, even for here. Up there with "but most of Shankland's goals were penalties" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briever Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 On 15/06/2022 at 13:03, H2 said: To you perhaps, like Maradonna Ronaldo, and Thierry Henry ?... and many more. Harry Kane is a great player. With a trophy cabinet as empty as a nuns chuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckies1874 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 10 minutes ago, graygo said: You're right about Italy, going through a lull just now. Didn't qualify for last world cup which should be unthinkable for them. Didn’t qualify for the last TWO World Cups. Here’s a pretty mental stat for you: the last time Italy won a knock out game in a World Cup was the Final they won against France in Germany in 2006! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 On 15/06/2022 at 14:00, H2 said: LOL, nothing there is made up at all facts, Le Tis never won a major trophy, Socrates never won a major trophy, Cummings is a Scottish Cup winner. Your logic! I think suggesting Kane winning an Olympics diving medal is making things up. Fact is Harry Kane is a great player A player who can score 49 goals for England in 69 games, can't be bad. 25, 29 and 30 goals in the English premier is successive seasons - That's a great player. He's a great player for Tottenham and a great striker for England but he won't be remembered as a world great because he's never won a sausage. That's a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 32 minutes ago, graygo said: Up there with "but most of Shankland's goals were penalties" Tbf, most of Shanklands goals are penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Tbf, most of Shanklands goals are penalties. Aye but to be fair you wouldn't use that fact to justify saying that he's not very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Just now, graygo said: Aye but to be fair you wouldn't use that fact to justify saying that he's not very good. True. Penalties are a skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 24 minutes ago, Luckies1874 said: Didn’t qualify for the last TWO World Cups. Here’s a pretty mental stat for you: the last time Italy won a knock out game in a World Cup was the Final they won against France in Germany in 2006! Yet won the European championships between them in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckies1874 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 5 minutes ago, graygo said: Yet won the European championships between them in 2020. Yep exactly. England will never have a better chance of winning something than that opportunity represented. Home soil, goal lead after a minute and totally bottled it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisyboy7 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Excellent player that decided to stay at a crap club...but......if he moves in the summer he has the chance of winning something..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 10 hours ago, ri Alban said: Well done Harry and his new record and him not taking out another satellite with his penalty. Oh and now roll on England winning the Euros. Just Imagine if Jimmy Greaves played against San Marino, Lichtenstein and the Gibraltars of this world. 57 games 44 goals. Class. Scotland were quite good, before some smart arse comes back with it. Different times of course but half his games were just friendlies. Between friendlies and the old Home Championship that's 39 of Greaves's 44 goals accounted for, 10 against N Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortmanRossco Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 2 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said: That's neither here nor there. He was part of cup final winning squad and as such won a medal. FFS, a Hearts fan saying Robbo didn't win a medal. That's a low, even for here. I didn't say he didn't win a medal. The initial point was that a player can't be great if he doesn't win anything. Robbo did win a medal but he didn't ultimately contribute in the game that he won his medal in. Edited March 24 by ShortmanRossco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 24 minutes ago, ShortmanRossco said: I didn't say he didn't win a medal. The initial point was that a player can't be great if he doesn't win anything. Robbo did win a medal but he didn't ultimately contribute in the game that he won his medal in. He contributed by his presence in dressing room and he lifted support by him bring in squad. Jeez, no point debating if you don't understand sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortmanRossco Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: He contributed by his presence in dressing room and he lifted support by him bring in squad. Jeez, no point debating if you don't understand sport. I'm not debating that either. You are still missing the point. The original statement was based around a player couldn't be great without winning anything. Robbo was a great player but didn't actually win anything as a player on the pitch. Therefore I'd say this invalidates the original statement that a player couldn't be great if he didn't win anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naisys Tackle Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 10 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: He contributed by his presence in dressing room and he lifted support by him bring in squad. Jeez, no point debating if you don't understand sport. So if we never won the cup that day Robbo for you wouldn't be considered a great? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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