Absolute Scenes Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 24 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Less than 4 week til 1st league game…….and no striker. Great contribution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 52 minutes ago, jambo89 said: I don't understand your maths here. Are you saying that we only pay £1.5m per year for our total squad salary? Either way, I think you're grossly overestimating what the avearge annual salary for an EPL player is. They aren't all on megabucks, in fact the average annual salary for a Sheffield Utd player last season was around £700k which would would be 15 players annual salary using the £20m figure Sheff Utd are not an epl club. Apples to apples comparison would be comparing us with a top 3 club down there but I didn’t. I used something close to mid table club wages. Typically £40k pw is the average plus the NI add on makes it about £45k+ pw. So £20m is 7/8 players worth. I also based it on our average wage probably in the £3-4K pw range plus NI so annual base cost is in the £200-250k per annum. So £3m is 12-15 players worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 26 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Less than 4 week til 1st league game…….and no striker. Incredible .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyK82 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 33 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Less than 4 week til 1st league game…….and no striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettigrewsstylist Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 34 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Less than 4 week til 1st league game…….and no striker. Sounds familiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Dale Cooper Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 37 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Less than 4 week til 1st league game…….and no striker. INCREDIBLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettigrewsstylist Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Damour is a decent example of how nothing is guaranteed with new signings. Doing business early allows best chance tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 42 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Less than 4 week til 1st league game…….and no striker. We have a guy who scored 15 goals in the 29 games he played as a striker last season so we do have a striker. We need more but there are 4 weeks! Nonsense post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazman Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Everton return to pre season training tomorrow so things may move on Simms front soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hogfather Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 26 minutes ago, pettigrewsstylist said: Damour is a decent example of how nothing is guaranteed with new signings. Doing business early allows best chance tho. I'd say the scattergun approach taken by the then manager was more of a contributing factor than the timing of the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, The Hogfather said: I'd say the scattergun approach taken by the then manager was more of a contributing factor than the timing of the deal. By signing a player with experience of the English top division and the Championship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hogfather Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JamboAl said: By signing a player with experience of the English top division and the Championship? Like clockwork... Leveins recruitment record in the second spell was laughably bad. Even you, the most ardent CL fanboy must recognise that. Edited July 3, 2022 by The Hogfather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo89 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, soonbe110 said: Sheff Utd are not an epl club. Apples to apples comparison would be comparing us with a top 3 club down there but I didn’t. I used something close to mid table club wages. Typically £40k pw is the average plus the NI add on makes it about £45k+ pw. So £20m is 7/8 players worth. I also based it on our average wage probably in the £3-4K pw range plus NI so annual base cost is in the £200-250k per annum. So £3m is 12-15 players worth The reason I used sheffield as an example is that they were a newly promoted club the season before, just like Brentford were last season. There is no way that Brentford are paying an average wage of 40k p/w, that puts them in line with West Ham and Leicster City, who are much more established clubs. Brentford's highest paid player is Ajer, on 35K p/w so not sure where you're getting the extra 10k from. https://salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-championship/brentford/ The link mentions 'Championship' but clearly means EPL as Ajer is included. Brentford paid by far the lowest salaries in the EPL and nowhere near the 45K mark you mentioned. the PFA even states that the average player is paid 50K p/w but this is massively skewed by players from the top 6 earning significantly more. Anywyas, that was slightly off topic, but the point remains, £20m is a lot to a club like Brentford. EDIT: fyi see the accounts below: https://www.brentfordfc.com/siteassets/documents/brentford-fc-ltd-group-accounts_2021.pdf Edited July 3, 2022 by jambo89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sertse Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 1 hour ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Less than 4 week til 1st league game…….and no striker. Pants firmly pished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 14 minutes ago, The Hogfather said: Like clockwork... Leveins recruitment record in the second spell was laughably bad. Even you, the most ardent CL fanboy must recognise that. Add up the fees received for Sow, Lafferty and the double Hickey windfall. Savage will do well to bring in that much cash ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hogfather Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Add up the fees received for Sow, Lafferty and the double Hickey windfall. Savage will do well to bring in that much cash ... And add up how much of those fees were then pished up the side of a wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Just now, The Hogfather said: And add up how much of those fees were then pished up the side of a wall. The biggest chunk we haven't revived yet (Hickey sell on). That money will be spent by Savage and Neilson. Positive legacy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 1 hour ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Less than 4 week til 1st league game…….and no striker. Exactly Get your money in your pockets Budge and Anderson or GTF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john thomas Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 20 minutes ago, The Hogfather said: Like clockwork... Leveins recruitment record in the second spell was laughably bad. Even you, the most ardent CL fanboy must recognise that. Yes signed a few failures . Most of which looked good 'on paper' Signed a few crackers as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the general Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Any signing rumours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzy2k7 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 1 hour ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Less than 4 week til 1st league game…….and no striker. Have patience, was it not the same at the start of last season? I think we didn't sign Beni until the day before the Opening game against Celtic IIRC? Then we signed about 4/5 players in quick succession and went on to have a brilliant season, I expect something very similar to happen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookie Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, the general said: Any signing rumours? No but the record saying Man United will let Levitt go for 300k Surely at that price we Have to be interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookie Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 1 hour ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Less than 4 week til 1st league game…….and no striker. Plenty time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hogfather Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: The biggest chunk we haven't revived yet (Hickey sell on). That money will be spent by Savage and Neilson. Positive legacy.... Evened out by the number of promising young players who left for peanuts. No fees received for Paterson or Nicholson for a start. I suspect the transfer fee we'll eventually receive for Beni will dwarf that received for Lafferty, Sow and Hickey combined. 1 minute ago, john thomas said: Yes signed a few failures . Most of which looked good 'on paper' Signed a few crackers as well Steven MacLean Uche Ikpeazu Bobby Burns Sean Clare Jake Mulraney Colin Doyle Bobby Zlamal Olly Lee Ben Garuccio Oli Bozanic Peter Haring Clevid Dikamona Aidy White David Vanecek Craig Wighton Steven Naismith Jimmy Dunne Conor Shaugnessey Demi Mitchell That's just one seasons recruitment under CL. How many of those could you actually say were a success at Hearts? 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdy Doody Jambo Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Hogfather said: Evened out by the number of promising young players who left for peanuts. No fees received for Paterson or Nicholson for a start. I suspect the transfer fee we'll eventually receive for Beni will dwarf that received for Lafferty, Sow and Hickey combined. Steven MacLean Uche Ikpeazu Bobby Burns Sean Clare Jake Mulraney Colin Doyle Bobby Zlamal Olly Lee Ben Garuccio Oli Bozanic Peter Haring Clevid Dikamona Aidy White David Vanecek Craig Wighton Steven Naismith Jimmy Dunne Conor Shaugnessey Demi Mitchell That's just one seasons recruitment under CL. How many of those could you actually say were a success at Hearts? 3? He must have been playing at Football Manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 39 minutes ago, The Hogfather said: Like clockwork... Leveins recruitment record in the second spell was laughably bad. Even you, the most ardent CL fanboy must recognise that. No chance, even though he’s working for the 3rd best team in the Highland League 😆. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, Spookie said: No but the record saying Man United will let Levitt go for 300k Surely at that price we Have to be interested Ooft aye at that price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8skacel8 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Hogfather said: Evened out by the number of promising young players who left for peanuts. No fees received for Paterson or Nicholson for a start. I suspect the transfer fee we'll eventually receive for Beni will dwarf that received for Lafferty, Sow and Hickey combined. Steven MacLean Uche Ikpeazu Bobby Burns Sean Clare Jake Mulraney Colin Doyle Bobby Zlamal Olly Lee Ben Garuccio Oli Bozanic Peter Haring Clevid Dikamona Aidy White David Vanecek Craig Wighton Steven Naismith Jimmy Dunne Conor Shaugnessey Demi Mitchell That's just one seasons recruitment under CL. How many of those could you actually say were a success at Hearts? 3? Steven MacLean -Hopeless and he thought he was something special. Uche Ikpeazu - average at best Bobby Burns - poor Sean Clare - started to play well after a poor start. Jake Mulraney - murder, shocking at crossing. Colin Doyle - murder, cost us against Motherwell in the cup. Bobby Zlamal - not great Olly Lee - decent player on his day. Ben Garuccio - decent also Oli Bozanic - bang average Peter Haring - very good Clevid Dikamona - tried hard but ultimately not good enough. Aidy White - crap David Vanecek - didn’t work out Craig Wighton - mince Steven Naismith - good signing Jimmy Dunne - very good Conor Shaugnessey - poor player Demi Mitchell - good first season and rubbish in the second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Sell McEneff and sign Levitt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 27 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Add up the fees received for Sow, Lafferty and the double Hickey windfall. Savage will do well to bring in that much cash ... Savage won’t waste millions on dross that eventually saw us relegated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMc Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 15 minutes ago, Spookie said: No but the record saying Man United will let Levitt go for 300k Surely at that price we Have to be interested Would take, definitely. If we got him AND Ronan we would have ridiculously good midfield options - and zero pressure to rush Benni back and risk ruining him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Rick Sanchez said: Sell McEneff and sign Levitt. Swap deal surely 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rudy T said: Swap deal surely 😂 😆 I was more thinking about the squad space btw, not raising the funds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 1 hour ago, pettigrewsstylist said: Damour is a decent example of how nothing is guaranteed with new signings. Doing business early allows best chance tho. That was a horrific summer as djoum was leaving and we were hanging on to see if he would resign. Sign damour and whelan whilst trying Clare at centre mid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 24 minutes ago, The Hogfather said: Evened out by the number of promising young players who left for peanuts. No fees received for Paterson or Nicholson for a start. I suspect the transfer fee we'll eventually receive for Beni will dwarf that received for Lafferty, Sow and Hickey combined. Steven MacLean Uche Ikpeazu Bobby Burns Sean Clare Jake Mulraney Colin Doyle Bobby Zlamal Olly Lee Ben Garuccio Oli Bozanic Peter Haring Clevid Dikamona Aidy White David Vanecek Craig Wighton Steven Naismith Jimmy Dunne Conor Shaugnessey Demi Mitchell That's just one seasons recruitment under CL. How many of those could you actually say were a success at Hearts? 3? You think Beni will move for over £4m? A host of those players moved on to clubs in the MLS, A - League and English League One. Can't have been that bad! Uche moved for over £1m after he left us. Obviously we signed some duds but it's silly to say it was all rubbish. Haring, Smith, Halkett and Boyce are still core players years later ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 2 hours ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Less than 4 week til 1st league game…….and no striker. I won’t even start to worry about it until it’s 4 days before the 1st league game. (Assuming of course that whoever we bring in has already done their pre season - we can’t be using that as an excuse again) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 GTF with Levein debates already. Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 1 minute ago, AlphonseCapone said: GTF with Levein debates already. Jesus. Yep. Debates about a guy who assembled a squad of players over 3 years that managed a cup final and relegation versus A squad assembled during a global pandemic (less than 2 years) that achieved 2 cup finals and a 3rd placed finish guaranteeing group stage football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: Yep. Debates about a guy who assembled a squad of players over 3 years that managed a cup final and relegation versus A squad assembled during a global pandemic (less than 2 years) that achieved 2 cup finals and a 3rd placed finish guaranteeing group stage football Think you perhaps missed @AlphonseCapone point here ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hogfather Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: You think Beni will move for over £4m? A host of those players moved on to clubs in the MLS, A - League and English League One. Can't have been that bad! Uche moved for over £1m after he left us. Obviously we signed some duds but it's silly to say it was all rubbish. Haring, Smith, Halkett and Boyce are still core players years later ... If you're giving Levein credit for signing Boyce, you might as well give him credit for signing Rudi Skacel too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsandonlyHearts Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 This off season thread is always 10 times worse than the January window thread. I never learn though. #obos, drama queens and WT actual F’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, HeartsandonlyHearts said: This off season thread is always 10 times worse than the January window thread. I never learn though. #obos, drama queens and WT actual F’s. Ironic 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, The Hogfather said: If you're giving Levein credit for signing Boyce, you might as well give him credit for signing Rudi Skacel too. Jon Daly covered it in an interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 1 hour ago, jambo89 said: The reason I used sheffield as an example is that they were a newly promoted club the season before, just like Brentford were last season. There is no way that Brentford are paying an average wage of 40k p/w, that puts them in line with West Ham and Leicster City, who are much more established clubs. Brentford's highest paid player is Ajer, on 35K p/w so not sure where you're getting the extra 10k from. https://salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-championship/brentford/ The link mentions 'Championship' but clearly means EPL as Ajer is included. Brentford paid by far the lowest salaries in the EPL and nowhere near the 45K mark you mentioned. the PFA even states that the average player is paid 50K p/w but this is massively skewed by players from the top 6 earning significantly more. Anywyas, that was slightly off topic, but the point remains, £20m is a lot to a club like Brentford. EDIT: fyi see the accounts below: https://www.brentfordfc.com/siteassets/documents/brentford-fc-ltd-group-accounts_2021.pdf Still stand by my point thagbus receiving £3m for a young, largely untested player is the equivalent of an epl club receiving £20m for the same, in terms of impact on clubs finances. In fact the £3m for us is a much, much bigger adder to finances than £20m would be to a mid to top table club in the epl. Villa and Everton have turnovers just below £200m so 10% adder. pour turnover will likely be closer to £12m this year so a 25% adder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 32 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: GTF with Levein debates already. Jesus. Mildly more interesting than the tax chat to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 This thread is about the future or present transfer activity, not the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 36 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: You think Beni will move for over £4m? A host of those players moved on to clubs in the MLS, A - League and English League One. Can't have been that bad! Uche moved for over £1m after he left us. Obviously we signed some duds but it's silly to say it was all rubbish. Haring, Smith, Halkett and Boyce are still core players years later ... Boyce was after Levein. Halkett only started playing well long after Levein and Haring was out for a year partly due to Levein playing him in the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Official_AB Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Youssouf Ndayishimiye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Just now, Official_AB said: Youssouf Ndayishimiye Bless you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hogfather Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Official_AB said: Youssouf Ndayishimiye Was on the verge of moving to Bordeaux for 3m Euros in January. I'd be surprised if we were making moves for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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