Sertse Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 2 million= 500k for Ronan, 500k for Shankland, 1m for Simms Easy as that, job done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Hijack pls Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrysRightFoot Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 1 minute ago, DC_92 said: Hijack pls Hearts. I agree. Really looked a player the 2nd half of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 It would be great news to secure Simms before their pre season camp tbh. We need someone in ASAP. Regards to Levitt...you'd think if we wanted him then we'd get him instead of Utd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 I must be in the minority here I really did not know who Dylan levitt was until he scored against us at Dundee United away. And that’s from watching hearts home and away games. Ronan by far the more effective player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 1 hour ago, hmfc_liam06 said: Plus 15% of those add ons, so could be up to £2.6m. Isn't the rules around add-ons simply to give the selling club some benefit from the NEXT sale ? We're not the selling club - Bologna are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: I must be in the minority here I really did not know who Dylan levitt was until he scored against us at Dundee United away. And that’s from watching hearts home and away games. Ronan by far the more effective player Better player than Ronan IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: I must be in the minority here I really did not know who Dylan levitt was until he scored against us at Dundee United away. And that’s from watching hearts home and away games. Ronan by far the more effective player Levitt is a sitting midfielder though that occasionally drifts forward Ronan is a winger / #10 hard to compare / judge Edited July 2, 2022 by RustyRightPeg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Isn't the rules around add-ons simply to give the selling club some benefit from the NEXT sale ? We're not the selling club - Bologna are. Add ons can be anything, if they wanted to screw us over the sell on they could say it was £5m fee and add one for first team games etc. I think it’s a % of whatever the total fee received over the period of the deal. It will paid in instalments anyway you would think so over 4 years. A nice bonus over that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naisys Tackle Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, Sertse said: 2 million= 500k for Ronan, 500k for Shankland, 1m for Simms Easy as that, job done We must be close to getting Shankland now. Would be amazed if Simms comes back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naisys Tackle Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said: Add ons can be anything, if they wanted to screw us over the sell on they could say it was £5m fee and add one for first team games etc. I think it’s a % of whatever the total fee received over the period of the deal. It will paid in instalments anyway you would think so over 4 years. A nice bonus over that time. Wonder how much Celtic get from the sale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsofgold Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Just now, Robbies Tackle said: Wonder how much Celtic get from the sale? Zero. They received their payment when he left us. They are due the square root of **** all from any sell on clause that was negotiated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Shankland not in beerchot squad for friendly against Brugge today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 No Shankland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Agentjambo said: Shankland not in beerchot squad for friendly against Brugge today. Ah you beat me to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 1 minute ago, RustyRightPeg said: Ah you beat me to it 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: No Shankland. Get someone down to the airport sharpish!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyK82 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 1 minute ago, RustyRightPeg said: Ah you beat me to it And he’s bizarrely started following Ross Stewart on Instagram (having already followed Kingsley, Neilson, Halkett and McKay)… 👀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkishcap Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Been to Brugge love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, MattyK82 said: And he’s bizarrely started following Ross Stewart on Instagram (having already followed Kingsley, Neilson, Halkett and McKay)… 👀 God you’re sharp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mdoug79 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 I hope we use the Hickey money to pay for Simms on a permanent 🤞🏼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 2 hours ago, cosanostra said: Couple of million minus tax coming our way then. Great news. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 23 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: I must be in the minority here I really did not know who Dylan levitt was until he scored against us at Dundee United away. And that’s from watching hearts home and away games. Ronan by far the more effective player Haven't seen enough of either to say for sure, but my impression is Levitt plays deeper, is more of a passer and has a bit more bite to his game. He's also started adding goals to his game and he's a few years younger than Ronan. Out of contract next summer as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JamboAl said: Why? Player sale = income = taxable asset Mind you dunno if it is income tax or CGT which I would be vaguely interested to know. Edited July 2, 2022 by Tom Hardy’s Dug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naisys Tackle Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 19 minutes ago, Heartsofgold said: Zero. They received their payment when he left us. They are due the square root of **** all from any sell on clause that was negotiated. Perfect! Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 33 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: I must be in the minority here I really did not know who Dylan levitt was until he scored against us at Dundee United away. And that’s from watching hearts home and away games. Ronan by far the more effective player levitt only played against us twice, the game you mention after the split and matchday 4 which was only the second game he was with dundee united for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 With Boyce and Grant do we not need more of a sitter with attacking tendencies? I thought Ronan played further back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Robbo Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Player sale = income = taxable asset Mind you dunno if it is income tax or CGT which I would be vaguely interested to know. Corporation tax maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterboy Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Another Robbo said: Corporation tax maybe? Corporation tax yes - but often with players, they have a value to the club and any trading is measured as a profit or loss vs that value...I think. No idea how it works when we no longer hold the asset, is it just straight up income? Also vaguely interested, wonder if anyone knows definitively... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillidigits Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 2 hours ago, TypoonJambo said: For the entire season? Impressive stuff. Take care when you go through the turnstiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 30 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: No Shankland. Not playing "for family reasons" according to the previous tweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Waterboy said: Corporation tax yes - but often with players, they have a value to the club and any trading is measured as a profit or loss vs that value...I think. No idea how it works when we no longer hold the asset, is it just straight up income? Also vaguely interested, wonder if anyone knows definitively... Probably CGT. We had a stake in an asset - say 15%. Asset got sold for an increased value so capital gain rather than income? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaps Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Mdoug79 said: I hope we use the Hickey money to pay for Simms on a permanent 🤞🏼 I’m sure it was posted on here that we won’t be taking Hickey money into account for this season coming it will be next summer transfer window. Could have completely imagined this though. Edited July 2, 2022 by Chaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 13 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Player sale = income = taxable asset Mind you dunno if it is income tax or CGT which I would be vaguely interested to know. Maybe if this was the club's only transaction in the year. Also player purchases = allowable expense. Ignoring other business transactions and any losses carried forward, I have a feeling we'll be spending more on player acqusitions than we'll make from player sales so taxation will not be an immediate concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, DC_92 said: Not playing "for family reasons" according to the previous tweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Probably CGT. We had a stake in an asset - say 15%. Asset got sold for an increased value so capital gain rather than income? Seems wrong to describe a player at another club as a "partial" Hearts asset. He's got no asset value to Hearts anyway until that club sells him for money - which they might not do if they decided to let his contract run down. Seems more like just transfer income for us. No idea how that gets taxed taxed - Neil Doncaster should know..... but good luck with that though 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart500 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, DC_92 said: Not playing "for family reasons" according to the previous tweet. Hopefully his family are house hunting in Edinburgh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Couple of Arabs getting excited on that tweet No chance fellas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 28 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Seems wrong to describe a player at another club as a "partial" Hearts asset. He's got no asset value to Hearts anyway until that club sells him for money - which they might not do if they decided to let his contract run down. Seems more like just transfer income for us. No idea how that gets taxed taxed - Neil Doncaster should know..... but good luck with that though 😃 If you had an interest in 15% of a house would you say it was a partial asset of your estate ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 30 minutes ago, stuart500 said: Hopefully his family are house hunting in Edinburgh. Hopefully not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 35 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Seems wrong to describe a player at another club as a "partial" Hearts asset. He's got no asset value to Hearts anyway until that club sells him for money - which they might not do if they decided to let his contract run down. Seems more like just transfer income for us. No idea how that gets taxed taxed - Neil Doncaster should know..... but good luck with that though 😃 I don't think we need get sidetracked re taxation; our immediate interest is that we get money from Hickey's transfer which will hopefully be used wisely to stregthen the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, JamboAl said: I don't think we need get sidetracked re taxation; our immediate interest is that we get money from Hickey's transfer which will hopefully be used wisely to stregthen the squad. Indeed Its a nerd-like interest rather than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Lambretta Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 So if we could only afford 2 of 3 which players would it be? Shankland Ronan Simms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Shankland also follows GMS but that might have been from his Aberdeen days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: If you had an interest in 15% of a house would you say it was a partial asset of your estate ? Yes - but houses have a value every day of the year forever, albeit a fluctuating one. Never zero. If someone buys the house outright, I'd receive 15% of the money and have to pay CGT on it if it was above the tax threshold. Not really comparable to a footballer on a short contract which means he has zero value at the end of it. imo, its just extra transfer income which wouldn't have materialised if Brentford had waited till he became a free agent. Anywho, as @jamboAl and @Tom Hardy’s Dug have said, it disnae really matter - I'm sure Jacqui Duncan knows what it is. 😉 Edited July 2, 2022 by Lone Striker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Wolves won 4-1 against Forest Green. Ronan didn't score and I've no idea if he played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyK82 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 1 hour ago, RustyRightPeg said: God you’re sharp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, Italian Lambretta said: So if we could only afford 2 of 3 which players would it be? Shankland Ronan Simms Simms plus one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo dans les Pyrenees Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Italian Lambretta said: So if we could only afford 2 of 3 which players would it be? Shankland Ronan Simms We can afford all 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Yes - but houses have a value every day of the year forever, albeit a fluctuating one. Never zero. If someone buys the house outright, I'd receive 15% of the money and have to pay CGT on it if it was above the tax threshold. Not really comparable to a footballer on a short contract which means he has zero value at the end of it. imo, its just extra transfer income which wouldn't have materialised if Brentford had waited till he became a free agent. Although bizarrely Oil which is a tradeable asset fell to below $0 at the start of Covid for a couple days and look at it now. Anyway in answer to the above - Simms and Shankland. I say that in the knowledge we’d just get an alternative AM instead of Ronan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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