redjambo Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 No significant breakthroughs in the Ukrainian-Russian talks today but both parties agree to meet again at some point over the next few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Just now, Taffin said: It's actually a really nice thing to do...I'm just tight arsed tosser 😂😂 No even buy yersel a drink, Taf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Taffin said: It's actually a really nice thing to do...I'm just the tight arsed tosser 😂😂 Oh come on, Taffin, you're not tight arsed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Taffin said: No, I'd like to retire too and I'll be keeping every penny to make it happen 😂 Squeak is your new nickname. Yer that tight, you squeak when you walk. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, Dirk McClaymore said: Bully for you, champ. 👍 Chocolate watch on its way. You hate being pulled up for posting shite don't you? Maybe this forum isn't the best place for you, Hibs have got one chock full of clowns, try there champ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 minute ago, graygo said: You hate being pulled up for posting shite don't you? Maybe this forum isn't the best place for you, Hibs have got one chock full of clowns, try there champ. 🤣 You're a right pleasant sort, eh. If posting shite wasn't the name of the game there'd be nobody here, so why don't you pop me on ignore and wind your neck in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) Shell follows BP's lead in divesting Russian investments. The Scottish Parliament's pension scheme apparently has shares in a sanctioned Russian bank (Sberbank). Edited February 28, 2022 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Squeak is your new nickname. Yer that tight, you squeak when you walk. 😆 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dirk McClaymore said: 🤣 You're a right pleasant sort, eh. If posting shite wasn't the name of the game there'd be nobody here, so why don't you pop me on ignore and wind your neck in. Great advice, your first as it happens. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, graygo said: Great advice, your first as it happens. 👍 Excellent, that's two chocolate watches your due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Taffin said: 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: The Scottish Parliament's pension scheme apparently has shares in a sanctioned Russian bank (Sberbank). If they haven't done so already it could be too late. I heard the Russians had banned foreigners from selling securities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 The meeting has adjourned. I'm not sure when it concludes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Russia are going to end up like North Korea at this rate, at least they’ll have plenty gas and oil cause nae kant is buying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 If you're interested, and got 10 minutes or so, have a read of that last article on how these central bank sanctions will absolutely destroy Russia economically. I can't see how Putin won't be removed by his own people one way or another. Great article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 I think it’s important that (as someone said up thread quite a bit) Putin is given an ‘out’ where he can appear to save face. If only offered humiliation who knows what he’ll do. Also, when this is over we’ll need to try to engage with Russia and not do what we did to Germany at Versailles (or indeed to Russia after the dissolution of the USSR). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 It is complicated. And there are ways out especially with gas and oil exports continuing. But the whole economy could collapse in next few weeks with the combination of financial measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 42 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: FIFA/UEFA finally. Guess they can be trusted to do the right thing but only after they have explored all other options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Japan Jambo said: Guess they can be trusted to do the right thing but only after they have explored all other options UEFA also confirms that Spartak Moscow are kicked out of the Europa League + RB Leipzig go through: "As the matches between RB Leipzig and FC Spartak Moskva cannot take place, as a consequence, RB Leipzig are qualified to the quarter-finals of the competition”. Rangers will now be wishing they had been drawn against Spartak Moscow in the EL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Story on BBC News just now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 I must say, it's refreshing and actually surprising how harsh the sanctions have been and how much of the globe has united to hand them down. Unprecedented economic destruction in just a few short days. Russian rouble at historic lows. Russian interest rates jacked up to 20%. Russian citizens and businesses banned from moving money out of Russia. Wars are expensive and Putin's contingency fund will very quickly get eaten through. Then we'll see how Russia copes with nobody to sell things to or buy things from and not having a friend in the world (other than Belarus, but they barely count anyhow). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Just now, Mikey1874 said: Story on BBC News just now Unreal. Patel has essentially misled parliament there. Should be hauled in to apologise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, Dirk McClaymore said: Excellent, that's two chocolate watches your due. It's "you're", like "you're a prick". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Story on BBC News just now God, I hate to take the thread off-topic, but it's things like this that turned me into wanting Scottish independence. I'm not a great fan of what the UK is becoming as a country. We're losing our soul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 What will UEFA/FIFA do about Belarus though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, redjambo said: What will UEFA/FIFA do about Belarus though? They're pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, FWJ said: I think it’s important that (as someone said up thread quite a bit) Putin is given an ‘out’ where he can appear to save face. If only offered humiliation who knows what he’ll do. Also, when this is over we’ll need to try to engage with Russia and not do what we did to Germany at Versailles (or indeed to Russia after the dissolution of the USSR). Might have been I. Yes I agree that, if he's even interested in de-escalation, an 'out' could be agreed and orchestated. Something to allow him to wind his neck in while claiming success for his objectives. The earlier story about the Russian spokesman saying that the nuclear alert was done in response to Truss's comment is in itself a little inkling of de-escalation from Putin. To explain such a serious move on a specific comment from a specific (minor) official implies that further escalation is not likely, so long as officials cease their rhetoric. De-escalation with virtually no visible compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Utter horrible woman.. "The uncertainty, the sleep deprivation and the knowledge at any time you may be called into action. Spare a thought for Liz Truss' personal photographer today." THELONDONECONOMIC.COM Truss lampooned for ANOTHER cringe photo opp as her plea to fight in Ukraine is illegal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, redjambo said: What will UEFA/FIFA do about Belarus though? Indeed. But some teams may refuse to play Belarus. Better to think ahead and ban Belarus now, rather than look stupid, which the football authorities undoubtedly will when the issue arises. The general consensus politically is that Belarus are in this with Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Orkney will no longer be receiving the Russian oil tanker. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-60544052 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Cade said: I must say, it's refreshing and actually surprising how harsh the sanctions have been and how much of the globe has united to hand them down. Unprecedented economic destruction in just a few short days. Russian rouble at historic lows. Russian interest rates jacked up to 20%. Russian citizens and businesses banned from moving money out of Russia. Wars are expensive and Putin's contingency fund will very quickly get eaten through. Then we'll see how Russia copes with nobody to sell things to or buy things from and not having a friend in the world (other than Belarus, but they barely count anyhow). The cohesion and unity has been good and will hopefully pose immediate as well as longer term problems for Putin, but he is very single-minded so we still need to be mindful of how much suffering he will happily inflict on his people to allow him to pursue his goals. Desperation might not demoralise him into a quick compromise - it might trigger more beligerence. I accept that it is a weapon in our collective arsenal that we can deploy and should, though. 1 minute ago, Victorian said: Unreal. Patel has essentially misled parliament there. Should be hauled in to apologise. 5 minutes ago, redjambo said: God, I hate to take the thread off-topic, but it's things like this that turned me into wanting Scottish independence. I'm not a great fan of what the UK is becoming as a country. We're losing our soul. There is never, ever a sense of empathy or humanity with our government, just a resigned "do we have to" face-saving, half-arsed effort. But is it new? Really, it seems to me we have a reputation for this in the UK - like doing the dirty on the Cossacks or Polish Airmen after WWII, the Windrush citizens, the Iraqi translators, the airlift of animals over vulnerable Afghanistans friendly to us after the withdrawal. I bet there's a lot more times where we just didn't give a ****. I don't disagree that it feels worse, lately, and its hard to have any pride in this country if we are viewed by our actions, as this government is shot through with a streak of cruel malice, with officials and ministers hiding their predjudices or inability to give a shit behind bureaucracy that they could easily suspend/dismiss, if the will was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, graygo said: It's "you're", like "you're a prick". Hark at her. 😄 You're almost as grumpy as wee Uncle Vlad. I thought you were going to deply the Graygo nuclear option and hit the ignore button. Don't miss, now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Here are Putin's red lines: Vladimir Putin has stressed that such a settlement is only possible with "unconditional consideration of Russia’s legitimate defense interests, including recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea, solving tasks of demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine and ensuring its neutral status". Can anyone see a solution that would be mutually acceptable to both Ukraine and Russia? I certainly don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, jonesy said: The speed and efficiency suggests that a fair amount of prior planning had been done behind the scenes for such an eventuality. I'd imagine these things are modelled fairly regularly. Despite the goons who appear to be in charge of our countries, there are cool and cooperative heads working the backstage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 My demands, by Vladimir Putin (age 69) Ukraine isn't allowed to have any armed forces Ukraine isn't allowed to make any defence pacts (NATO) Ukraine isn't allowed to make any political pacts (EU) Ukraine must live in constant fear of Russian invasion forever Oh, and same goes for Finland. ........And he expects anybody to accept this??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, redjambo said: Here are Putin's red lines: Vladimir Putin has stressed that such a settlement is only possible with "unconditional consideration of Russia’s legitimate defense interests, including recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea, solving tasks of demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine and ensuring its neutral status". Can anyone see a solution that would be mutually acceptable to both Ukraine and Russia? I certainly don't. It maybe possible. Finland and Austria walked a very fine line in 1945 to ensure they ended up west of the Iron Curtain, had to make quite a few compromises and stay neutral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Cade said: "we're not taking in fleeing Ukrainians just in case they're actually Russian agents" Feck off, Truss. And Patel, you can get in the sea tae. Pricks. Christ - did she actually say that ? As if there's absolutely no Russian agents living here already ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, redjambo said: Here are Putin's red lines: Vladimir Putin has stressed that such a settlement is only possible with "unconditional consideration of Russia’s legitimate defense interests, including recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea, solving tasks of demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine and ensuring its neutral status". Can anyone see a solution that would be mutually acceptable to both Ukraine and Russia? I certainly don't. "... neutral status" is in direct contradiction to Putin's belief that Ukraine is part of Russia. Looks like an opening position rather than red lines but that contradiction will represent a problem somewhere down the line to any future Ukrainian state, neutral or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Such a sad and avoidable situation, you can’t help but feel sorry for the Ukrainian people. The Russian people are going up suffer also, as are their sports stars, through no real fault of their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, redjambo said: Here are Putin's red lines: Vladimir Putin has stressed that such a settlement is only possible with "unconditional consideration of Russia’s legitimate defense interests, including recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea, solving tasks of demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine and ensuring its neutral status". Can anyone see a solution that would be mutually acceptable to both Ukraine and Russia? I certainly don't. We live in hope that although diplomacy has failed so far that some solution can be found 🤞. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 If Putin wants the denazification of Ukraine' then he should support them joining the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, redjambo said: Here are Putin's red lines: Vladimir Putin has stressed that such a settlement is only possible with "unconditional consideration of Russia’s legitimate defense interests, including recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea, solving tasks of demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine and ensuring its neutral status". Can anyone see a solution that would be mutually acceptable to both Ukraine and Russia? I certainly don't. Well, Putin has failed miserably in his demand to demilitarise Ukraine !! 🙄 Although he'll no doubt blame Truss for the huge increase in weaponry and armed personnel in Ukraine, which wouldn't have happened if he hadn't invaded. A cynic might wonder if the word "demilitarising" has a different meaning in Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Just now, Lone Striker said: Well, Putin has failed miserably in his demand to demilitarise Ukraine !! 🙄 Although he'll no doubt blame Truss for the huge increase in weaponry and armed personnel in Ukraine, which wouldn't have happened if he hadn't invaded. A cynic might wonder if the word "demilitarising" has a different meaning in Russia. I suspect that, as out of touch with reality as he might be, if Putin were given the chance to wind back a few weeks and change his decision to invade Ukraine, he would probably do so. He has opened up a real Pandora's box here on several fronts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 I see the compare the Meerkat ads have been banned. That will surely tip the balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 The multiple, unrelated, contra reasons for his actions is probably quite deliberate. It makes it much harder for his opponents to second guess his gameplan. You would need to know his actual motivations from his bullshit, or at least know which are his priorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 23 minutes ago, redjambo said: Here are Putin's red lines: Vladimir Putin has stressed that such a settlement is only possible with "unconditional consideration of Russia’s legitimate defense interests, including recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea, solving tasks of demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine and ensuring its neutral status". Can anyone see a solution that would be mutually acceptable to both Ukraine and Russia? I certainly don't. no I can’t, and this is why this is a massive concern. I’m struggling to see how it doesn’t escalate fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, JackLadd said: I see the compare the Meerkat ads have been banned. That will surely tip the balance. As far as I see, Comparethemarket has decided itself not to show its adverts around news bulletins on the Ukrainian situation. It's trying to protect its image. No ban. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/compare-market-advert-meerkat-russia-ukraine-b2024999.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, redjambo said: As far as I see, Comparethemarket has decided itself not to show its adverts around news bulletins on the Ukrainian situation. It's trying to protect its image. No ban. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/compare-market-advert-meerkat-russia-ukraine-b2024999.html Jumping before they're pushed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 minute ago, redjambo said: I suspect that, as out of touch with reality as he might be, if Putin were given the chance to wind back a few weeks and change his decision to invade Ukraine, he would probably do so. He has opened up a real Pandora's box here on several fronts. You could be right, although the guy is such a slippery liar that no-one seems able to second-guess whats going through his mind. Another weird clip they showed today of him meeting 2 of his military top-brass - he looked almost flippant, rambling on about raising the stakes. 1 of the 2 generals looked rather worried. I wonder what Trump's response would have been if this had happened on his watch. 2 out-of-control mad dictators with no respect for law & order., who only care about their ego/wealth/power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, redjambo said: As far as I see, Comparethemarket has decided itself not to show its adverts around news bulletins on the Ukrainian situation. It's trying to protect its image. No ban. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/compare-market-advert-meerkat-russia-ukraine-b2024999.html Cheap deals have disappeared anyway just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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