Russia Invades Ukraine

[Mikey1874]

47 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

You are confusing this special military operation to denazify parts of Ukraine with unwarranted invasions and attacks on Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and the lack of help for Yemen, Palestine, The Rohingya.

 

Denazification. To be fair, they are doing a good job.

 

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[Mikey1874]

 

[Mikey1874]

More denazifying

 

 

Edited May 2, 2022 by Mikey1874

[Mikey1874]

 

[Mikey1874]

Most of the funny moments are courtesy of the Russians

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 hours ago, coconut doug said:

 

Cheers James, i appreciate the comment. I suspect you understand the difficulty in getting your point over when so many want to make personal attacks and misrepresent what you say. I think in many cases we are the bigger men here.😏

Yes it takes courage and confidence  to go against the prescribed doctrine and narrative most regurgitate  regarding  Ukraine. Spoon fed propaganda from day one of the " conflict". 

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 hours ago, Herbert. said:

 

 

Seemingly true. Hitlers grandad on his dad's side was part jew seemingly, also the hitlers came from a part of Austria that was big on incest. 

 

 

I really think Israel has no moral right or credibility  to lecture any other countries about absolutely anything. Anything. 

2 hours ago, coconut doug said:

 

You are confusing this special military operation to denazify parts of Ukraine with unwarranted invasions and attacks on Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and the lack of help for Yemen, Palestine, The Rohingha and others. There were no WMD in Iraq. The Libyan's did not go on a viagra fuelled raping spree. There were no babies emptied out of incubators in Kuwait. The Syrians did not use chemical weapons. The West has not intervened in human rights violations in Palestine. How many times does this have to happen before you spot a pattern?

 

The West has left all these countries/people in ruins and now it's Ukraine's turn. Big profits for the arms manufacturers though. 

Follow the money.................

[milky_26]

4 hours ago, Dirk McClaymore said:

 

Some folks heids only button up one side, bud, others button up both.

 

 

Knew it! 

dont selectively quote my post to make it look like i support the abhorent violence that russia is carrying out 

[il Duce McTarkin]

24 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

dont selectively quote my post to make it look like i support the abhorent violence that russia is carrying out 

 

I've no idea how you managed to take that from my post. 

[il Duce McTarkin]

34 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I really think Israel has no moral right or credibility  to lecture any other countries about absolutely anything. 

 

Will we add anti semitic to transphobe, james?

[Unknown user]

Just now, Dirk McClaymore said:

 

Will we add anti semitic to transphobe, james?

Only if you want the world to know you can't tell the difference between slagging Israel and hating Jews.

[il Duce McTarkin]

1 minute ago, Smithee said:

Only if you want the world to know you can't tell the difference between slagging Israel and hating Jews.

 

I'd hate for a handfull of posters on kickback to think something like that. 

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, Dirk McClaymore said:

 

I'd hate for a handfull of posters on kickback to think something like that. 

Apart from all that though, great point, well made

[Herbert.]

48 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I really think Israel has no moral right or credibility  to lecture any other countries about absolutely anything. Anything. 

Follow the money.................

 

 

No country has the right or credibility. Every country is run by crooks. War is about profit now. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

18 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Only if you want the world to know you can't tell the difference between slagging Israel and hating Jews.

I assumed that most would know that. 👍

[redjambo]

Here's the thing. Coconut Doug genuinely believes what he posts. Dirk on the other hand is purely on the wind-up. I can't make up my mind which is more pathetic.

[Unknown user]

5 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Here's the thing. Coconut Doug genuinely believes what he posts. Dirk on the other hand is purely on the wind-up. I can't make up my mind which is more pathetic.

I enjoy them equally 🙂

[redjambo]

Uefa announces further sanctions on Russian clubs and national teams amid Ukraine invasion

UEFA has barred Russia from competing in this summer's women's Euro 2022, while Russian clubs will also be banned from UEFA competitions next season. Russia's bid to host the men's Euro 2028 or Euro 2032 tournaments is also now ineligible.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61301238

[il Duce McTarkin]

32 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Here's the thing. Coconut Doug genuinely believes what he posts. Dirk on the other hand is purely on the wind-up. I can't make up my mind which is more pathetic.

 

You should set up a spreadsheet to help you decide.

 

26 minutes ago, Smithee said:

I enjoy them equally 🙂

 

The true spirit of kickback. 👍

 

Edited May 2, 2022 by Dirk McClaymore

[redjambo]

29 minutes ago, Dirk McClaymore said:

 

You should set up a spreadsheet to help you decide.

 

 

I may need to, Dirk. It's a tough decision!

 

[il Duce McTarkin]

24 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I may need to, Dirk. It's a tough decision!

 

 

 

Have a squint in one of these, bud, and you'll see your answer quite clearly.

[ArcticJambo]

See when your President prevents you from leaving the country and insists that you are to defend your country, is that regarded as conscription?  Where does that then place you in the theatre of war?  Are you still a civilian or are you a combatant (a soldier)? Anybody, any idea?

 

Of course once captured I would assume that you would be treated according to the Geneva Convention irrespective of your perceived status.

[redjambo]

33 minutes ago, ArcticJambo said:

See when your President prevents you from leaving the country and insists that you are to defend your country, is that regarded as conscription?  Where does that then place you in the theatre of war?  Are you still a civilian or are you a combatant (a soldier)? Anybody, any idea?

 

Of course once captured I would assume that you would be treated according to the Geneva Convention irrespective of your perceived status.

 

Yes, that is conscription.

 

According to the IHL Database, "All members of the armed forces of a party to the conflict are combatants, except medical and religious personnel", so conscripted soldiers are treated as combatants with the given exceptions.

 

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_rul_rule3

[ArcticJambo]

10 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Yes, that is conscription.

 

According to the IHL Database, "All members of the armed forces of a party to the conflict are combatants, except medical and religious personnel", so conscripted soldiers are treated as combatants with the given exceptions.

 

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_rul_rule3

Thanks, red.

[Ulysses]

15 hours ago, coconut doug said:

 

Prior to this in 1990 around 70% of all Ukrainians voted to remain in the Soviet Union.

 

  

 

Prior to what, Doug?

[Ulysses]

6 hours ago, redjambo said:

Here's the thing. Coconut Doug genuinely believes what he posts. Dirk on the other hand is purely on the wind-up. I can't make up my mind which is more pathetic.

 

God love one of them.  The other, I think I preferred in his previous guise. 

[il Duce McTarkin]

18 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

God love one of them.  The other, I think I preferred in his previous guise. 

 

So did I tbf. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

12 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

I may need to, Dirk. It's a tough decision!

 

Yes with some new profiles cropping up im enjoying the game ......

[coconut doug]

6 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

Prior to what, Doug?

 

This was your statement  

Crimea (and Sevastopol), Luhansk and Donetsk expressed a clear democratic wish to be part of an independent Ukraine.  The results in Crimea (and Sevastopol) could potentially be open to argument because of a low turnout.  But that's not the case in Donetsk or Luhansk.

So it was prior to the event you described. I included it to show that political opinions had changed a lot in a short space of time. 

 I also said i was unable to find reference to the vote you mentioned and asked you if you could provide a link. Are you able to do this?

[JudyJudyJudy]

14 hours ago, Dirk McClaymore said:

 

Will we add anti semitic to transphobe, james?

 

[il Duce McTarkin]

17 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

 

That's called 'denial'.

[Ray Gin]

Oh good, another alias posting conspiracy guff. How refreshing.

 

[CloustonHMFC]

20 hours ago, Herbert. said:

 

 

Seemingly true. Hitlers grandad on his dad's side was part jew seemingly, also the hitlers came from a part of Austria that was big on incest. 

 

 

It’s not known who Hitlers grandfather is, his father was listed as an illegitimate child with no father on his birth certificate. The idea that Hitler could have Jewish blood in him came from the fact his grandmother had worked in a Jewish household and could potentially have became pregnant to one of the sons.

[Mysterion]

23 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

I'm not so sure about this, Uly. There's a lot of military support coming in to Ukraine, and it has a different feel to it than the usual "balanced" war of attrition. I can see Ukraine pushing Russia back to pre-invasion borders within a few months. They probably won't recapture Crimea or the "breakaway republics" (I'm a bit more unsure about the latter), and so they will be back to square 1, except for a lot of folk having been killed, injured and displaced in the interim. After that, I can see the conflict entering, or re-entering, the phase you're talking about, very similar to the 2014-2022 situation.

 

I think this is a fair view but i think they might recapture one of the breakaway republics or part of one. I think the Ukraine leadership would want to be shown to try for a morale victory of reclaiming land mass but not necessarily retake cities. For example I would not be surprised if they retook everything South of Donetsk.

 

It sounds horrific but when the winter returns I would not be surprised to see the Ukraine army go for it. The Russians haven't been well provisioned as we saw at the start, I would not be surprised that after 10months the Russians troops are demoralised in sub zero conditions and machinery is either struggling for reliability or just inoperable. 

 

Either way - it's bad for both sides. 

[Cade]

Many European nations are putting a "grain bridge" in place, with entire train lines and lots of trains being solely dedicated to shipping Ukrainian grain out of the country.

At the minute it's sitting in warehouses with nowhere to go as it's usually distributed by ship and the Russian Black Sea Fleet has a tight blockade on the Ukrainian coast.

They're hoping to export 20 million tonnes of grain out of Ukraine by rail and then ship it via European ports.

An ambitious plan.

 

[John Findlay]

13 minutes ago, Cade said:

Many European nations are putting a "grain bridge" in place, with entire train lines and lots of trains being solely dedicated to shipping Ukrainian grain out of the country.

At the minute it's sitting in warehouses with nowhere to go as it's usually distributed by ship and the Russian Black Sea Fleet has a tight blockade on the Ukrainian coast.

They're hoping to export 20 million tonnes of grain out of Ukraine by rail and then ship it via European ports.

An ambitious plan.

 

Won't take much or time to transport it to Turkey. From there cover the West through the Straits of Gibraltar and East through the Suez Canal and Red Sea.

[redjambo]

Surprise Ukrainian gains north of Kharkiv could impact Battle for Donbas

 

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/3/2095487/-Ukraine-update-Surprise-Ukrainian-gains-north-of-Kharkiv-could-impact-Battle-for-Donbas

[joondalupjambo]

Listening to BJ's speech to the Ukrainian Parliament sounds like a copy of the one he gave to Afghanistan Parliament.  How did that go for them BJ?

[The Mighty Thor]

2 hours ago, joondalupjambo said:

Listening to BJ's speech to the Ukrainian Parliament sounds like a copy of the one he gave to Afghanistan Parliament.  How did that go for them BJ?

I think it went OK if you were a dug that was looked after by Carrie's mates. 

If you were an interpreter you were left to get gutted by the Taliban. 

[Ulysses]

17 hours ago, coconut doug said:

 

This was your statement  

Crimea (and Sevastopol), Luhansk and Donetsk expressed a clear democratic wish to be part of an independent Ukraine.  The results in Crimea (and Sevastopol) could potentially be open to argument because of a low turnout.  But that's not the case in Donetsk or Luhansk.

So it was prior to the event you described. I included it to show that political opinions had changed a lot in a short space of time. 

 I also said i was unable to find reference to the vote you mentioned and asked you if you could provide a link. Are you able to do this?

 

 

Doug, stop spoofing.  No-one in their right mind would ever take seriously a vote on any subject in the ****ing USSR.  Honest to Jaysus, either you're completely politically and historically unaware or else you think everyone else is.

[milky_26]

5 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

Doug, stop spoofing.  No-one in their right mind would ever take seriously a vote on any subject in the ****ing USSR.  Honest to Jaysus, either you're completely politically and historically unaware or else you think everyone else is.

Yep Mugabe winning a Zimbabwe election with what was it 110% of the vote was more believable than that rubbish

[coconut doug]

9 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

Doug, stop spoofing.  No-one in their right mind would ever take seriously a vote on any subject in the ****ing USSR.  Honest to Jaysus, either you're completely politically and historically unaware or else you think everyone else is.

 

What about the vote you referred to in in the Donbass? Are you able to provide evidence for the detail you claimed? Most elections are covered on Wikipaedia but i can't find one for the outcomes you quote. Should i take your election results seriously?

 

This was your statement  

Crimea (and Sevastopol), Luhansk and Donetsk expressed a clear democratic wish to be part of an independent Ukraine.  The results in Crimea (and Sevastopol) could potentially be open to argument because of a low turnout.  But that's not the case in Donetsk or Luhansk.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

27 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

What about the vote you referred to in in the Donbass? Are you able to provide evidence for the detail you claimed? Most elections are covered on Wikipaedia but i can't find one for the outcomes you quote. Should i take your election results seriously?

 

This was your statement  

Crimea (and Sevastopol), Luhansk and Donetsk expressed a clear democratic wish to be part of an independent Ukraine.  The results in Crimea (and Sevastopol) could potentially be open to argument because of a low turnout.  But that's not the case in Donetsk or Luhansk.

Sweetness, Russia still has the official Chernobyl death toll at around 37. They’re not very good with numbers or honesty 

[Jeffros Furios]

26 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

What about the vote you referred to in in the Donbass? Are you able to provide evidence for the detail you claimed? Most elections are covered on Wikipaedia but i can't find one for the outcomes you quote. Should i take your election results seriously?

 

This was your statement  

Crimea (and Sevastopol), Luhansk and Donetsk expressed a clear democratic wish to be part of an independent Ukraine.  The results in Crimea (and Sevastopol) could potentially be open to argument because of a low turnout.  But that's not the case in Donetsk or Luhansk.

Dougie Lavrov the apologist  for murdering and raping scum , not a good look .

[il Duce McTarkin]

2 minutes ago, jonesy said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61311046

 

Well, well, well, what a surprise.

 

 

Some horrible *******s cutting about, jonesy.

[il Duce McTarkin]

54 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said:

Dougie Lavrov 

 

[il Duce McTarkin]

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

Indeed.

 

Anyway, those 21 year-old twin sisters arrive yet?

 

Due on Friday.

Just checking there's still room under the patio.

[Mikey1874]

Different level to war crimes investigations.

 

 

[Lone Striker]

Anyone got a point of view on the news stories that Putin has serious health problems ?  The latest one suggests he may be about to undergo surgery and be passing power temporarily to a deputy.   

 

Just an elaborate media game to distract the West ?  Or wishful thinking on the part of the West ?   

 

Either way, it seems unlikely that any deputy chosen by Putin would change course.   Medvedev looked an evil b'stard too.

 

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

38 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Anyone got a point of view on the news stories that Putin has serious health problems ?  The latest one suggests he may be about to undergo surgery and be passing power temporarily to a deputy.   

 

Just an elaborate media game to distract the West ?  Or wishful thinking on the part of the West ?   

 

Either way, it seems unlikely that any deputy chosen by Putin would change course.   Medvedev looked an evil b'stard too.

 

 

 

If the stories are true, Nikolai Patrushev will take over if/when Putin is incapacitated, he's the head of the FSB and is even more of a barsteward than Putin is, a real nasty piece of work by all accounts.