Locky Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Just watched Putin's message there. Rather terrifying words especially in this day and age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Folk forget that there was a ceasefire agreement and that Russia already had nominal control over half of both the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Putin's just pushing to take the whole of both regions using absolute lies to justify it. Ukraine is surrounded. To the North, Belarus and Russian forces have gathered. To the south west, in the Russian-backed micro state of Transnistria, there are thousands of Russian troops. And in the east is the Russian border itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 24 minutes ago, Dazo said: A closet homosexual actually which is far worse, so my father in law tells me. 😳😂 Spot on. 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Locky said: I know my outlook on it may be overly simplistic too, but surely the people should be given an opportunity to speak here? If the people in the East want independence or to become part of Russia, let them have a vote. What right do Russia have to invade the land and claim it as theirs? Not at all, Locky, it's easy to simplify this going on msm headlines. It is a serious escalation but Russia has invaded from the the North, with Belarusian support incidentally, and with help inside Ukraine from Eastern separatists. It's a mess and Putin knows, or has all least calculated, that the West are in a very difficult position on possible retaliation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 13 minutes ago, Locky said: Alaska could certainly be a strategic point to have military stationed if China and North Korea get involved. Otherwise, approaching from that angle will just be met with bears and babushka's. There's **** all there. America has troops stationed in Japan and South Korea for that reason. Alaska and siberia are probably the safest places on earth right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Cade said: Folk forget that there was a ceasefire agreement and that Russia already had nominal control over half of both the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Putin's just pushing to take the whole of both regions using absolute lies to justify it. Ukraine is surrounded. To the North, Belarus and Russian forces have gathered. To the south west, in the Russian-backed micro state of Transnistria, there are thousands of Russian troops. And in the east is the Russian border itself. Yip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Jezz A friend who is Ex squaddie has had an email from MOD about re enlisting due to the current situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Boab said: Not at all, Locky, it's easy to simplify this going on msm headlines. It is a serious escalation but Russia has invaded from the the North, with Belarusian support incidentally, and with help inside Ukraine from Eastern separatists. It's a mess and Putin knows, or has all least calculated, that the West are in a very difficult position on possible retaliation. Sure is a mess Boab. Hard to see a great outcome for anyone here at this moment. All we can hope for is a quick ceasefire and more talks to be held, but Russia are pushing hard and Ukraine don't seem to want to back down which isn't a good sign. Ukraine's president basically offering weapons to anyone who wishes to have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dirk McClaymore said: Spot on. 😳 You really don’t get it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 One good thing - we aren't currently sitting 12th in the league. Poetic justice if Dundee get shafted that way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) At least Imran Khan is having a rare old time. “What a time I have come... so much excitement,” https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pakistan-pm-reaches-moscow-amid-091808931.html Edited February 24, 2022 by Ray Gin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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il Duce McTarkin Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: You really don’t get it ! Neither do you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I reckon part of the onslaught is he wants total control of the country before the U.S can get significant munitions and assistance to the Ukrainians that would bog him down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenbo Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Jezz A friend who is Ex squaddie has had an email from MOD about re enlisting due to the current situation It's probably the joke letter that is being circulated? Currently serving and not a sniff of anything remotely suggesting re-enlistment has been mentioned that I know of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: It's not quite like Iraq. Its true there was a possibility of invading Iran from there. But in this case what we are going to get is a new hostile Ukraine government. Puppet state. Underming EU in particular which Ukraine was much closer to joining than NATO. So NATO is going to have send major forces to Poland (on border) as well as Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia which are next on Putin's list. What we done in Iraq had greater consequences than Russia expanding its borders. We created a situation where a terrorist group took control of country on the doorstep of a NATO member. We never reinforced them. If Russia wanted Latvia,Lithuania or Estonia they would have invaded at the same time as they invaded the Ukraine. That's the only way they could realistically win a war with Nato. What they are gonna do is grab as much as they can in a few days and then agree to a ceasefire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Reports that Russian tanks are already in Kharkiv, Ukraine's 2nd biggest city. Shit very real ☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzroy Pointon Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 22 minutes ago, Locky said: Just watched Putin's message there. Rather terrifying words especially in this day and age. Yip. He's completely lost it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts151 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 32 minutes ago, Boab said: It's an East/West thing in Ukraine though, hence the recent trouble there. 70% support in Western Ukraine to join NATO but less than half in the Eastern parts. The Russians haven't dived into a part of Ukraine that wants them out. Simplistic I know but Eastern Ukraine will be where it kicks off. The Russians won't go too far West in my humble opinion. Sounds like Irish independence in 1922... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH11_2NL Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Jezz A friend who is Ex squaddie has had an email from MOD about re enlisting due to the current situation Mate has just been served call up papers. He's a retired helicopter pilot. Crazy stuff if we are relying on retired ex military to be pulled back to fight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 25 minutes ago, The White Cockade said: It’s not the best time to have that buffoon Johnson as PM Sad times If West does nothing Putin will likely take back the former Soviet states one by one If West get’s involved militarily it could be WW3 and doomsday As I said sad times Would we be better off with Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn? He might welcome extension of his range of vacation options. He and Diane Abbot had the choice of all of Eastern Europe in the good old days of Soviet occupation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Herbert said: What we done in Iraq had greater consequences than Russia expanding its borders. We created a situation where a terrorist group took control of country on the doorstep of a NATO member. We never reinforced them. If Russia wanted Latvia,Lithuania or Estonia they would have invaded at the same time as they invaded the Ukraine. That's the only way they could realistically win a war with Nato. What they are gonna do is grab as much as they can in a few days and then agree to a ceasefire. What you are saying is called 'whataboutery'. Ukraine got rid of its pro Russia leader in 2014. In something called a popular uprising confirmed by democracy. The people decided. It's now probably going to be forced to install a pro Russian Government. True that invading Lithuania is unlikely but even last week most people didn't think Putin would actually invade Ukraine. Edited February 24, 2022 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, EH11_2NL said: Mate has just been served call up papers. He's a retired helicopter pilot. Crazy stuff if we are relying on retired ex military to be pulled back to fight! Yes well my mates appears to be genuine too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, Herbert said: What we done in Iraq had greater consequences than Russia expanding its borders. We created a situation where a terrorist group took control of country on the doorstep of a NATO member. We never reinforced them. If Russia wanted Latvia,Lithuania or Estonia they would have invaded at the same time as they invaded the Ukraine. That's the only way they could realistically win a war with Nato. What they are gonna do is grab as much as they can in a few days and then agree to a ceasefire. I think this will be the outcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I see another thread has become a wokeness competition. Speculating about Putin's psychological motivation seems fair enough to me . His ultra macho image (parading bare chested on horseback, ludicrous distancing at meetings and so on) may mean he has an old fashioned idea of what being a "real man" is. Or it may indeed be a compensating symptom of repressed homosexuality combined with that old fashioned idea of manhood. A popular song about Hitler would today probably be viewed as a slur on men with monorchidism.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 20 minutes ago, JamboMarc said: Poor sod has a great bit of footage but gets all over excited and starts swearing so his insightful words won't make it onto mainstream news channels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Cockade Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: Would we be better off with Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn? He might welcome extension of his range of vacation options. He and Diane Abbot had the choice of all of Eastern Europe in the good old days of Soviet occupation. Corbyn would never have been PM he would never have won an election Are you saying Johnson is the best the Conservatives can come up with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 hours ago, highlandjambo3 said: Aye……spend about 4 - 6 hours training them then give them loads of equipment that we hold in reserve…..jobs a gud yin 😂 I meant across Europe and the USA. Russia has 2 million reserve soldiers, that would need matched if it came to the worst. And I suppose 8 weeks training would be feck all time, if we end up in WW3. But hey, it's too much hassle, Vlad you win. And the ***** has threatened the west with consequences if we interfere, so let's point every nuke the west has at every major Russian City, if he wants consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 18 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said: Yip. He's completely lost it On a lighter note though, could you imagine Boris's declaration of war statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Just now, Locky said: On a lighter note though, could you imagine Boris's declaration of war statement. He's always wanted Churchill status, well, Boris, come on down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tazio said: Poor sod has a great bit of footage but gets all over excited and starts swearing so his insightful words won't make it onto mainstream news channels. Just bleep it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, ri Alban said: He's always wanted Churchill status, well, Boris, come on down. Wonder if they'll put his face on the British Rouble notes in 50 years time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Vince Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 25 minutes ago, Herbert said: What we done in Iraq had greater consequences than Russia expanding its borders. We created a situation where a terrorist group took control of country on the doorstep of a NATO member. We never reinforced them. If Russia wanted Latvia,Lithuania or Estonia they would have invaded at the same time as they invaded the Ukraine. That's the only way they could realistically win a war with Nato. What they are gonna do is grab as much as they can in a few days and then agree to a ceasefire. Careful with the facts here. 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzroy Pointon Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, Locky said: On a lighter note though, could you imagine Boris's declaration of war statement. I'd rather not. His first lockdown address was embarrassing enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, ri Alban said: I meant across Europe and the USA. Russia has 2 million reserve soldiers, that would need matched if it came to the worst. And I suppose 8 weeks training would be feck all time, if we end up in WW3. But hey, it's too much hassle, Vlad you win. And the ***** has threatened the west with consequences if we interfere, so let's point every nuke the west has at every major Russian City, if he wants consequences. The vast majority probably already are to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 26 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: Would we be better off with Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn? He might welcome extension of his range of vacation options. He and Diane Abbot had the choice of all of Eastern Europe in the good old days of Soviet occupation. I'd have Blair, at least he commanded some respect back on the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Salad Fingers said: I'd rather not. His first lockdown address was embarrassing enough. 'We shall defeat them, not with violence, but with a good old fashioned game of whiff whaff'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Vince Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, Locky said: On a lighter note though, could you imagine Boris's declaration of war statement. I imagine it will be the usual pish, bluster and lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Locky said: Wonder if they'll put his face on the British Rouble notes in 50 years time. Don't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, graygo said: The vast majority probably already are to be fair. I wonder where Putin's subs are. Just outside Helensburgh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Is Vlad Romanov still in Moscow? Time for him to save us again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, The White Cockade said: Corbyn would never have been PM he would never have won an election Are you saying Johnson is the best the Conservatives can come up with? What makes you ask that. The answer is of course no but frankly I would not have much faith in anyone on either front bench today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Can't believe Alyn Smith and his pals dropping by Ukraine didn't stop Putin firmly in his tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: What makes you ask that. The answer is of course no but frankly I would not have much faith in anyone on either front bench today. I think you'd first have to ask who on either front bench has a vested interest or who has been a beneficiary of the largesse of the guy who just invaded Ukraine. Once you've established that, then you'll know who is up to the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SectionDJambo Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Whatever state the British armed forces are in has been achieved during twelve years of Conservative government. Same as the numbers of Police and NHS staff and equipment. Nobody else to blame or praise. It used to be the Labour Party who were accused by the Conservatives of wanting to reduce our security against the Russian threat. Now we’ve, seemingly, got a Conservative government who are closer to the Russians than the Labour Party are. Strange times. As for Johnson “leading the response of the world” against the threat of Russian invasion of Ukraine, that has gone as well as expected. He should never have been anywhere near the PM job, but he was, apparently, the only one who could get Brexit done. A previous victory for Putin without a shot being fired by him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Lest we forget the people who weakened the UK on the world stage , gave us the worst government ever and a PM who is a laughing stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Few large Russian aircraft en route from Moscow to Volgograd, near the Eastern Ukrainian border. More troops incoming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Not saying Corbyn would have been a good PM but he backed the Magnitsky powers and would have nationalised the energy industry. Thus far Boris Johnson has refused to publish the infamous Russian report, sanctioned 3 oligarchs who were already on a sanctions list and loaned folk 200 quid to help with soaring energy bills. The worst possible Government at the worst possible time. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said: Lest we forget the people who weakened the UK on the world stage , gave us the worst government ever and a PM who is a laughing stock. Rees Mogg might be able to add WW3 to the list of Brexit "benefits" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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