***NON-HEARTS*** January Transfer Window 2022

[Malinga the Swinga]

12 minutes ago, Chaps said:

Can’t really blame Hearts for the Souttar situation.

Oh, he can and will. 

[Leveins Battalion]

Hibs have lost the fecking plot.They are signing absolute tripe by the bucket load.

[Naisys Tackle]

1 minute ago, Leveins Battalion said:

Hibs have lost the fecking plot.They are signing absolute tripe by the bucket load.

 

I've a feeling that Maloney will sign more players like the defender based on contacts within the Belgian set up who will vastly underrate our top league and they will be utter shan. 

[Des Lynam]

42 minutes ago, PTBCAL said:

Point is they have protected themselves by the players signing new deals.

 

Ours don’t. 
 

Ours run down their contracts by refusing new deals. 
 

It’s makes little good business sense to allow this to happen repeatedly 

 

Soutar is a quality player 

 

Boyle is an effective player. 
 

One will likely leave for nothing. 
 

One has his club turning down £2m. 

We have been extremely unlucky in that regard with Souttar and Paterson. You can’t blame Hearts on that front. 

[Rudy T]

6 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said:

Hibs have lost the fecking plot.They are signing absolute tripe by the bucket load.

Good!!!

[Clerry Jambo]

Edinburgh News Sport

 

@edinburghsport

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1h

 

Hibs strike deal to bring in Rocky Bushiri from Norwich City as Shaun Maloney strengthens defensive options |

@p_mcpartlin

 

 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

1 hour ago, merrymac said:

raw and rash - direct replacement for Porkteous then😂

 

And inexperienced. The media made out he's a Belgium prospect and Norwich player then you check wikipedia and he's played 0 games for Norwich and this is his 5th different loan club since signing for them.

[neilnunb]

Well the Norwich defence has been utter shit for a good few years (even when winning the Championship) and Bushiri couldn't even get a game for them...

 

 

 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

1 hour ago, PTBCAL said:

Point is they have protected themselves by the players signing new deals.

 

Ours don’t. 
 

Ours run down their contracts by refusing new deals. 
 

It’s makes little good business sense to allow this to happen repeatedly 

 

Soutar is a quality player 

 

Boyle is an effective player. 
 

One will likely leave for nothing. 
 

One has his club turning down £2m. 

 

They will only have proven to have protected themselves if these players get a move that brings them good money. They could also end up finding it very hard to move players on and replace them with better options because the players are on such long contracts. They're handing them out like sweeties the way Romanov did. That typically ends with a bloated squad and players running their contracts down while not playing. Or they'll have to pay players off to leave.

 

We suffer sometimes by trying harder to keep our better players for longer than other clubs, which does come with risks in terms of getting a fee for them. The only way to do that is to sell them after they have their first really good season, which for a typical 3 year contract can be their first or second season. If they are very in demand and continue developing, it's hard for us to then compete as they know they'll have options. Hibs started pimping Nisbet and Doig out after one season because they know this and would prefer to get the money. They're rolling the dice big style with these long contracts.

Edited January 10, 2022 by ToqueJambo

[PTBCAL]

4 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

They will only have proven to have protected themselves if these players get a move that brings them good money. They could also end up finding it very hard to move players on and replace them with better options because the players are on such long contracts. They're handing them out like sweeties the way Romanov did. That typically ends with a bloated squad and players running their contracts down while not playing. Or they'll have to pay players off to leave.

 

We suffer sometimes by trying harder to keep our better players for longer than other clubs, which does come with risks in terms of getting a fee for them. The only way to do that is to sell them after they have their first really good season, which for a typical 3 year contract can be their first or second season. If they are very in demand and continue developing, it's hard for us to then compete as they know they'll have options. Hibs started pimping Nisbet and Doig out after one season because they know this and would prefer to get the money. They're rolling the dice big style with these long contracts.

You are absolutely spot on - it’s just frustrating that it seems to happen to us constantly 

 

However it can work in our favour by signing players out of contract like Beni, Kingsley etc 

[loveofthegame]

14 minutes ago, neilnunb said:

Well the Norwich defence has been utter shit for a good few years (even when winning the Championship) and Bushiri couldn't even get a game for them...

 

 

 

Let’s not forget they’ve already had a young worldie of a centre half in on loan this season. His name was Nathan Wood, he captained the England u20s, played once in a 3-0 defeat by Dundee Utd and was never seen again. 
 

Signing a bunch of untried kids is a long way from guaranteeing any kind of success. 

[Rudy T]

Maloney has clearly watched that Hibs defence phoned Ron’s son and told him to go buy a new one. Porto the superstar, the 12th McGinn brother and Hanlon are obviously not silky enough for wee Shaun 

[Macros]

27 minutes ago, Clerry Jambo said:

Edinburgh News Sport

 

@edinburghsport

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1h

 

Hibs strike deal to bring in Rocky Bushiri from Norwich City as Shaun Maloney strengthens defensive options |

@p_mcpartlin

 

 

 

According to his Wiki page he's played 17 games in the last 2 and a half years

[Zico]

Maloney basically telling all his inherited jabronis that he thinks they’re shite. Will be interesting to see how that goes down. 

[julienbrellier]

What’s the sell on % for Hickey, apparently Bologna have accepted an offer from villa around 20 million

[Guest ToqueJambo]

35 minutes ago, PTBCAL said:

You are absolutely spot on - it’s just frustrating that it seems to happen to us constantly 

 

However it can work in our favour by signing players out of contract like Beni, Kingsley etc 

 

I'm already resigned to losing Beni for nothing if he continues to play the way he started. The other option would be to sell him next season or end this season most likely to cash in. I'd rather keep him unless it's transformational money like 10+m

[Canscot]

1 minute ago, julienbrellier said:

What’s the sell on % for Hickey, apparently Bologna have accepted an offer from villa around 20 million

Reported on here it would be a “6 figure sum”. So if true anything from 100k to 999999k. And not the 15-30% as some think. But who knows. 

[Never Let Them Forget]

3 minutes ago, julienbrellier said:

What’s the sell on % for Hickey, apparently Bologna have accepted an offer from villa around 20 million

There just about the sign Lucas Digne so doubt it.

[Guest ToqueJambo]

30 minutes ago, Rudy T said:

Maloney has clearly watched that Hibs defence phoned Ron’s son and told him to go buy a new one. Porto the superstar, the 12th McGinn brother and Hanlon are obviously not silky enough for wee Shaun 

 

Loved the article somewhere saying Hibs would be willing to let Porteous go for a million as if they're doing other clubs a favour.

[Snedescu]

I would be surprised if Boyle doesn’t have a minimum release clause in his new contract. 

[Rudy T]

7 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

Loved the article somewhere saying Hibs would be willing to let Porteous go for a million as if they're doing other clubs a favour.

I think you misread the article, it was for a minion, preferably the one with the spikey hair.

[jimbojambo]

2 hours ago, PTBCAL said:

Why is it that Hibs manage to tie their sellable assets down and potentially reap financial benefits but ours seem to walk away for nothing 

 

This is an issue we need to address going forward. 

Hibs give everyone a long contract on the basis of their potential resale value. We got burnt doing that under Levein with Martin and Damour and are more cautious. If we had given Souttar a long contract after an injury hit few years and he had got injured we would have been pilloried. Long term we have got it right and Hibs just keep adding to the payroll and gamble on future transfers

[Hectormasson]

2 hours ago, PTBCAL said:

Why is it that Hibs manage to tie their sellable assets down and potentially reap financial benefits but ours seem to walk away for nothing 

 

This is an issue we need to address going forward. 

That's been pissing me of over the years too,always seem to get money, the c.....s🤔🤔🤔🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻

[Guest ToqueJambo]

2 minutes ago, jimbojambo said:

Hibs give everyone a long contract on the basis of their potential resale value. We got burnt doing that under Levein with Martin and Damour and are more cautious. If we had given Souttar a long contract after an injury hit few years and he had got injured we would have been pilloried. Long term we have got it right and Hibs just keep adding to the payroll and gamble on future transfers

 

To be fair we extended Souttar's contract and have just got very unlucky with him. Same as Driver and Paterson going back a few years. All injured long-term when their stock was highest.

 

I think Ron Gordon is going to learn the hard way what Romanov learnt that speculating to accumulate doesn't work at our level. Incredible they're making exactly the same mistake Hibs fans pilloried us for making. John McGinn was a total outlier and given they got way below what he was worth, as they've since spent 1-2m on speculating to accumulate and show no signs of stopping they might only end up netting a million or so for him. Doidge, Nisbet and Mikkelson alone cost a million quid in transfer fees alone. 400k was a big fee for us to pay out for proven talent in McKinlay, McCann, Cameron etc back in the day - to pay that now for a 19 year old with no top level experience is mental.

[DS98]

1 hour ago, PTBCAL said:

Point is they have protected themselves by the players signing new deals.

 

Ours don’t. 
 

Ours run down their contracts by refusing new deals. 
 

It’s makes little good business sense to allow this to happen repeatedly 

 

Soutar is a quality player 

 

Boyle is an effective player. 
 

One will likely leave for nothing. 
 

One has his club turning down £2m. 

How can you compare those two players. One has been injury free and flying for years and one has just had recovered from his third snapped Achilles. Hearts couldn’t offer a deal. He never knew himself if he would ever play again.

Amd Hibs protected themselves? By desperately handing out new deals and 3 year extensions to every Tom Dick and Harry?  Have a wee look at the dross they have given extensions to recently. If you add up all the money wasted on giving shite like Stevenson, McGregor, JDH long term deals then that will negate any fee they get for Boyle. 

 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

1 minute ago, Hectormasson said:

That's been pissing me of over the years too,always seem to get money, the c.....s🤔🤔🤔🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻

 

For who? They sold their entire Mowbray team off before they could achieve anything. They got some money for Cummings (that was theft) and McGinn recently but I can't think of many or any others. In that time we've brought in fees for multiple players including two over 1m.

[The Grim Reaper]

21 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

I'm already resigned to losing Beni for nothing if he continues to play the way he started. The other option would be to sell him next season or end this season most likely to cash in. I'd rather keep him unless it's transformational money like 10+m

Why can’t we attempt to extend his contract at the end of this season on slightly better terms to protect our asset and try and maximise any sale value?

 

We we need to be more savvy and not allow our top players to let their contracts run down. 

[Mr Rabbit]

2 hours ago, PTBCAL said:

Point is they have protected themselves by the players signing new deals.

 

Ours don’t. 
 

Ours run down their contracts by refusing new deals. 
 

It’s makes little good business sense to allow this to happen repeatedly 

 

Soutar is a quality player 

 

Boyle is an effective player. 
 

One will likely leave for nothing. 
 

One has his club turning down £2m. 

More nights out between the men and woman’s team is the solution.
 

Boyle would have been long gone if his wife wasn’t at hibs as well.

Edited January 10, 2022 by Mr Rabbit

[DS98]

2 minutes ago, Hectormasson said:

That's been pissing me of over the years too,always seem to get money, the c.....s🤔🤔🤔🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻

Again, when? When have they got money?

 

John McGinn is the ONLY player they have received over £1m for in the last decade.

[Guest ToqueJambo]

3 minutes ago, The Grim Reaper said:

Why can’t we attempt to extend his contract at the end of this season on slightly better terms to protect our asset and try and maximise any sale value?

 

We we need to be more savvy and not allow our top players to let their contracts run down. 

 

That's exactly what we did with Souttar so I'm sure we'll try. We signed Souttar as a very good prospect for a good fee on a 3.5 year contract, then extended it I think a year or more before it ended. There's obviously a risk to that. We extended some contracts a couple of years ago I think of players who started very well, then they didn't push on. Uche was one I think, Kingsley and Smith maybe? It's a bit of a lottery.

Edited January 10, 2022 by ToqueJambo

[The Grim Reaper]

2 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

That's exactly what we did with Souttar so I'm sure we'll try. 

We didn’t really as he’s about to leave for nothing. 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

5 minutes ago, The Grim Reaper said:

We didn’t really as he’s about to leave for nothing. 

 

We bought him in 2016 on a 3.5 year contract then extended it in 2018 or 2019. Effectively he had a 5.5-6 year contract with us. We can't expect them to sign their whole lives away 🤣 We did everything right with Souttar including the fee we paid which was very low for what we got. Without his injuries and assuming we wanted to sell him like Hibs do with their best players, we'd have got a good fee. Difference between us and Hibs is we sign players primarily to play for us not to sell on. That's a bonus when it happens, not a sustainable strategy.

Edited January 10, 2022 by ToqueJambo

[Guest ToqueJambo]

6 minutes ago, DS98 said:

Again, when? When have they got money?

 

John McGinn is the ONLY player they have received over £1m for in the last decade.

 

It's yet another myth, no different from the flair and conveyor belt of talent one. They do something in one season in a blue moon and all of a sudden it's the Hibs way. 

[Mister T]

1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

And inexperienced. The media made out he's a Belgium prospect and Norwich player then you check wikipedia and he's played 0 games for Norwich and this is his 5th different loan club since signing for them.

Awesome 😂

[Mr Elwood P]

3 hours ago, PTBCAL said:

Why is it that Hibs manage to tie their sellable assets down and potentially reap financial benefits but ours seem to walk away for nothing 

 

This is an issue we need to address going forward. 

Hibs have handed out long contract to a lot of dross. Hope that clarifies matters.

[HMFC01]

Bologna want Aberdeen right back Ramsay.   They need to make a sale first to buy him.    Which could be either of Hickey or Skov Olsen.    They want 15 m for Hickey , withsome clubs circling around him.   West Ham, Lazio, not sure if Villa will still want him if they get Digne. 

 

"Bologna have made contact to sign Aberdeen's Calvin Ramsay, claim Sky Italia. They have to make a sale to make a move happen." 

Edited January 10, 2022 by HMFC01

[Bazzas right boot]

1 hour ago, Zico said:

Maloney basically telling all his inherited jabronis that he thinks they’re shite. Will be interesting to see how that goes down. 

 

Yip. 

Drop and piss of a few of the old guard. Create discontent. 

Sell Boyle as they sign 4 or 5 huddies. 

 

A couple of bad results and it could be Terrance Butcher all over again. 😁

 

[loveofthegame]

Just now, The Grim Reaper said:

Why can’t we attempt to extend his contract at the end of this season on slightly better terms to protect our asset and try and maximise any sale value?

 

We we need to be more savvy and not allow our top players to let their contracts run down. 

I think we’ve definitely dealt with this season poorly- there are absolutely mitigating circumstances - but allowing our entire first choice defence and keeper (keeper thankfully tied up) is poor. 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

2 minutes ago, loveofthegame said:

I think we’ve definitely dealt with this season poorly- there are absolutely mitigating circumstances - but allowing our entire first choice defence and keeper (keeper thankfully tied up) is poor. 

 

It could also be a reflection of where we were one year ago and the fact the whole team was underperforming then, including Hackett and Kingsley at times. Halkett especially was someone many wanted shot of before this season started.

[loveofthegame]

1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

And inexperienced. The media made out he's a Belgium prospect and Norwich player then you check wikipedia and he's played 0 games for Norwich and this is his 5th different loan club since signing for them.

Yeah noticed this too. Described in one article as a coup but in reality he’s a nothing. Described in another article as pacey, physical and good on the ball, click on article and he’s describing himself 😂 hardly going to say “slow, soft and a first touch like a wall”.

[The Grim Reaper]

16 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

We bought him in 2016 on a 3.5 year contract then extended it in 2018 or 2019. Effectively he had a 5.5-6 year contract with us. We can't expect them to sign their whole lives away 🤣 We did everything right with Souttar including the fee we paid which was very low for what we got. Without his injuries and assuming we wanted to sell him like Hibs do with their best players, we'd have got a good fee. Difference between us and Hibs is we sign players primarily to play for us not to sell on. That's a bonus when it happens, not a sustainable strategy.

Souttars circumstances are different due to his injury history. Although it would have been nice if he’d extended for a year to guarantee the club a fee, it hasn’t happened. Not blaming the club for this one but moving forward, if it becomes apparent that players like Beni for example aren’t going to extend and let their contracts run down, we should sell. 

[loveofthegame]

Just now, ToqueJambo said:

 

It could also be a reflection of where we were one year ago and the fact the whole team was underperforming then, including Hackett and Kingsley at times. Halkett especially was someone many wanted shot of before this season started.

Yeah absolutely, pretty much what I meant by mitigating circumstances. Add Haring to that too- would tie him down tomorrow but 6-9 months ago I’d probably be saying he’s one to let go.

 

We’re not rushing like Hibs which makes me confident we’re looking for real quality to improve the squad rather than scattergun approach of signing a host of untried youngsters. Which has already failed for them this season with Scott and Woods.

[Guest ToqueJambo]

9 minutes ago, The Grim Reaper said:

Souttars circumstances are different due to his injury history. Although it would have been nice if he’d extended for a year to guarantee the club a fee, it hasn’t happened. Not blaming the club for this one but moving forward, if it becomes apparent that players like Beni for example aren’t going to extend and let their contracts run down, we should sell. 

 

As we've seen many times, it's not as easy as that. Personally I want to see Beni playing for us for his whole contract as he's shown to be a terrific player. With a 3 year contract we have the opportunity to sign players like Devlin to complement him and help get the best out of him. If he leaves for free after 3 great years I'd rather that than 1.5 great years and a couple of million quid. We need to look at how JJ built his team, and to a lesser extent Doddie, adding better players and retaining most of our best ones year on year. That's how good teams are built. Certainly JJ's was built that way.

 

For me, this is what FOH gives us. Even if we don't use the money for signings, it means we may not be as desperate to sell our best players as other clubs are because we have that cushion that lets us easily turn down the odd 500k here and there or even more. Anything over a million is different - the club has to consider that.

Edited January 10, 2022 by ToqueJambo

[DalryJambo]

2 hours ago, PTBCAL said:

Point is they have protected themselves by the players signing new deals.

 

Ours don’t. 
 

Ours run down their contracts by refusing new deals. 
 

It’s makes little good business sense to allow this to happen repeatedly 

 

Soutar is a quality player 

 

Boyle is an effective player. 
 

One will likely leave for nothing. 
 

One has his club turning down £2m. 

 

How do the club allow it to happen? You can't force players to sign new contracts. Would you seriously want to club to offer Soutar a bumper contract with his injury history?

 

It's a tightrope to be honest and I'm not sure what more the club can do, other than pulling together strength in depth throughout the squad to the point the players absolutely want to stay to win things. That's not easy. 

 

What annoys me more is that we were offered £1.5m for Hickey and rangers got £10m+ for Patterson. It shows how stacked towards Rangers and Celtic this whole thing is. 

[Bazzas right boot]

3 hours ago, PTBCAL said:

Why is it that Hibs manage to tie their sellable assets down and potentially reap financial benefits but ours seem to walk away for nothing 

 

This is an issue we need to address going forward. 

 

 

Because our assets are better and have more and better offers from elsewhere 🤷‍♂️. 

 

You can't force players to sign contracts either. 

 

We've had Souttar for a long time, injuries stopped us getting money for him.

 

Hibs haven't received money for these players yet  either. 

 

 

[Bazzas right boot]

10 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

As we've seen many times, it's not as easy as that. Personally I want to see Beni playing for us for his whole contract as he's shown to be a terrific player. With a 3 year contract we have the opportunity to sign players like Devlin to complement him and help get the best out of him. If he leaves for free after 3 great years I'd rather that than 1.5 great years and a couple of million quid. We need to look at how JJ built his team, and to a lesser extent Doddie, adding better players and retaining most of our best ones year on year. That's how good teams are built. Certainly JJ's was built that way.

 

For me, this is what FOH gives us. Even if we don't use the money for signings, it means we may not be as desperate to sell our best players as other clubs are because we have that cushion that lets us easily turn down the odd 500k here and there or even more. Anything over a million is different - the club has to consider that.

 

Yip, selling our best players in a panic half way through their contract is not a strategy to build a good team. 

 

If players can do us a good turn for 2-4 years and the team is doing well then that is, the important thing. 

 

If we can make money then great. 

 

Beni arrived for nothing, my priority is  that he plays well and we build a team, too many want to sell - to do what? Get another player in and punt him ASAP as well? 

Pointless. 

 

If Beni plays well and leaves for nothing then I'll be happy. He cost us nothing. 

If he plays well and gets us money then great. 

If he plays well and stays with us as the side improves - even better! 

 

The obsession by some about the balance sheet is baffling. 

 

 

 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

5 minutes ago, DalryJambo said:

 

How do the club allow it to happen? You can't force players to sign new contracts. Would you seriously want to club to offer Soutar a bumper contract with his injury history?

 

It's a tightrope to be honest and I'm not sure what more the club can do, other than pulling together strength in depth throughout the squad to the point the players absolutely want to stay to win things. That's not easy. 

 

What annoys me more is that we were offered £1.5m for Hickey and rangers got £10m+ for Patterson. It shows how stacked towards Rangers and Celtic this whole thing is. 

 

Think Rangers needing the money and Everton being desperate for a RB drove that transfer. It's true though. I wonder if we hadn't been facing a COVID-hit championship season if we would have kept Hickey until the end of his contract rather than accept 1.8m or whatever it was. On balance I'd rather have someone like Hickey for another season than that sort of money, which is not game-changing for us.

 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

26 minutes ago, loveofthegame said:

Yeah absolutely, pretty much what I meant by mitigating circumstances. Add Haring to that too- would tie him down tomorrow but 6-9 months ago I’d probably be saying he’s one to let go.

 

We’re not rushing like Hibs which makes me confident we’re looking for real quality to improve the squad rather than scattergun approach of signing a host of untried youngsters. Which has already failed for them this season with Scott and Woods.

 

We might actually have better, younger options than Kingsley and Halkett lined up or in our thoughts for next summer, knowing that even if they don't sign a new contract we have them for this season at minimum. I'd like to keep both but neither of them are irreplaceable looking at the quality being brought in under Savage for the most part.

[JackLadd]

I don't see Patterson dislodging Coleman if he's fit. Coleman is better than tavpen. 

 

[Rudy T]

3 hours ago, PTBCAL said:

Why is it that Hibs manage to tie their sellable assets down and potentially reap financial benefits but ours seem to walk away for nothing 

 

This is an issue we need to address going forward. 

John McGinn is the only one I can think of that they’ve had decent money for? Prior to that maybe Scott Brown?

 

The issue is agents, we don’t need to sell, so our players run the risk of missing out of moves if they sign long term and teams don’t match our valuations. For example, Souttar signs a 3 year deal then some team comes in with a bid and we say no chance, even if they were paying x4 the salary we can Souttar can’t move unless we take the fee.

 

That said I don’t feel that comfortable with Souttar not signing, we’ve been very good to him and I feel he’s cheating us a bit.