Festive Fixtures - supporters return from 17/1 (updated )

[buzzbomb1958]

Just now, Jambof3tornado said:

I've seen 4 people with covid today so far, all younger, no vaccination at all.

 

Front line for 20 months dealing with covid.

 

Step too far.

I feel for you but I think when it comes to vacs what makes these youngsters so special that they don’t vac if they don’t vac they should be dubbed up in their homes it’s because of them this is being spread

[buzzbomb1958]

1 minute ago, Jambo_Gaz said:

Nah they can cope like they always have. 

 

NHS been putting money in the wrong places for years. 

 

Remember take the vaccine to set you free? Total piss take. Ram the booster. 

That’s tha attitude that’s got us where we are

[hughesie27]

5 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

The TV companies won’t “do one”! The SPFL have a contract with them and if it’s not honoured then they will get hit with huge financial penalties! That is the reality of this shit situation!

They'll still get their games televised though. I think you are slightly overthinking how much of a barrier they'll put up.

It was only yesterday that thr English FA and teams decided not to stop playing. Would Sky have kicked up a fuss then. Doubt it. They'll get their games.

[GinRummy]

Assuming the virus is going to continue to mutate indefinitely, these restrictions on peoples liberty might last for the rest of some peoples lives. 

[John Findlay]

21 minutes ago, portobellojambo1 said:

Just seen this on Scottish News link, but nothing on any pages reporting on what Holyrood are saying. Do they speak to the press before they announce it to the public ?

Always. That's politicians for you. The only time the general public are given a thought is when it comes to elections.

[hughesie27]

6 minutes ago, Boab said:

1 week is the same as three.

There are no fixtures for the the last two weeks.

That was the point I was making. Your complaint isn't that 3 weeks doesn't "make sense". Also. There are other events taking place outside football.

[KyleLafferty]

Never ever Is this only gonna be for 3 weeks. The Scottish cup ties will get put back aswell. Shambles, 3 vaccines to sit in the ****ing house. Lied to for 2 years.

[Pans Jambo]

1 minute ago, martoon said:

 

Take your point, bud.

 

Just frustrated at being jagged up to the eyeballs, an arm that's aching like toothache...

 Aye I know what you mean. I'm also of an age that I got offered the Flu jab at the same time as the booster and I think the nurse stuck me with a nail, not a needle. Its still bruised 2 weeks later.

[happyjam]

So no fans at OF derby or Edinburgh derby instead the 80,000 can squeeze into the pubs to watch the games.  What could go wrong?

 

Edited December 21, 2021 by happyjam

[buzzbomb1958]

2 minutes ago, Ibrahim Tall said:

You should probably let Jason Leitch know that then:

”"Remember, it's not so much inside McDiarmid Park that particularly worries us, it's the travel too and from, it's the pubs, it's all the stuff around sport.”

 

🤷‍♀️

Just read his last post to see where this lads heads at he couldn’t give a shit as long as he’s fine

[buzzbomb1958]

Just now, happyjam said:

Son no fans at OF derby or Edinburgh derby instead the 80,000 can squeeze into the pubs to watch the games.  What could go wrong?

 

Pubs will be limited as well

[soonbe110]

17 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

The SPFL is contracted to show games with the TV broadcasters on the scheduled dates.

Yep, Sky will want the derbies played even with no fans as they will have nothing else to show. 

[hughesie27]

8 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said:

What if it’s one of the clubs in League 2 that only have 1 stand….will they have 500 all sitting together.

They also need to have 1m social distancing. So that team will have a lower capacity.

[Rocky jamboa]

So frustrating. When will this end?! How can we afford to be constantly locking down and paying out hundreds of millions in grants and support.  We need to get on with life as it is now.

 

On a selfish note, I had hospitality for the St J game 😫 

[Pans Jambo]

Just now, buzzbomb1958 said:

Pubs will be limited as well

Was it 100 standing and 200 seated for inside businesses? 500 for outdoor evens (such as football).

 

Still, 100 folk in a pub can be cosy.

[soonbe110]

15 minutes ago, happyjam said:

Think they may postpone a few of the fixtures, like the derbies.

 

Sky wouldn’t be happy with that. 

[julienbrellier]

This government which I’ve backed for some time is an absolute shambles now. Football fans been scapegoated and punished, can’t watch a match with vaccine passports outdoors but people can still drink and socialise indoors and go to pubs etc. On what level does it make any sense at all. 
 

also zero point in going through the last 18 months if we just lockdown every year again. Wonder how long people will put up with it, anyone fancy 10 years in a row?

[hughesie27]

3 minutes ago, KyleLafferty said:

Never ever Is this only gonna be for 3 weeks. The Scottish cup ties will get put back aswell. Shambles, 3 vaccines to sit in the ****ing house. Lied to for 2 years.

No games have been put back.

2 minutes ago, happyjam said:

So no fans at OF derby or Edinburgh derby instead the 80,000 can squeeze into the pubs to watch the games.  What could go wrong?

 

Pubs need to be seated and socially distanced with table service. So no, not really if they follow the rules.

[Thomaso]

1 minute ago, soonbe110 said:

Yep, Sky will want the derbies played even with no fans as they will have nothing else to show. 

Exactly! They have their schedules to fill and if the public can only see these games on SKY then it’s a bonus for them!

[hughesie27]

1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said:

Was it 100 standing and 200 seated for inside businesses? 500 for outdoor evens (such as football).

 

Still, 100 folk in a pub can be cosy.

Think the 100 was for indoor "events". Not sure what the script is for things like nightclubs.

[martinb]

No point in blaming politicians they only follow the advice of so called 'experts'

[Italian Lambretta]

It will be interesting to see if all member clubs and SPFL board take this lying down like they normally would, or actullay fight their corner for a change?

[willie wallace]

10 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

The TV companies won’t “do one”! The SPFL have a contract with them and if it’s not honoured then they will get hit with huge financial penalties! That is the reality of this shit situation!

We are hoping this turns out ok  and the games can be shown then.

I am sure tv companies can be a bit sympathetic.🤔

[graygo]

11 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Thanks martoon but I don't have any symptoms so I am one of the dangerous ones. I wouldn't have even tested without getting the e-mail and would have spread it round my family and friends, which is fine if they're young, healthy and have had their boosters, but some are old, have health conditions, and are a risk of hospitalisation. Plus the strain on the local NHS.

 

But FITBAWWWWWWW!!!!!

 

Why would you not have tested without an email? The advice was to test twice a week without symptoms and that changed recently to test whenever you put yourself into a social situation like meeting family and friends.

 

[Boab]

4 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

That was the point I was making. Your complaint isn't that 3 weeks doesn't "make sense". Also. There are other events taking place outside football.

I'm sure there are other things going on but in the context of the SPL, which is all we are concerned about here, it is nonsensical.

[Fxxx the SPFL]

4 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Yep, Sky will want the derbies played even with no fans as they will have nothing else to show. 

they can always show repeats of the Ryder cup in 1842 etc etc

[milky_26]

14 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said:

What if it’s one of the clubs in League 2 that only have 1 stand….will they have 500 all sitting together.

In sure she said that there would need to be 1m spacing between people in things like stadia 

[happyjam]

2 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

No games have been put back.

Pubs need to be seated and socially distanced with table service. So no, not really if they follow the rules.

Social distancing is only 1m which is nothing and after folk have had there 3rd pint there will be a constant stream of bodies going back and forth to toilet.    

[soonbe110]

18 minutes ago, willie wallace said:

SPFL must announce today that the winter break had been brought forward.

The tv companies can do one.They must understand the exceptional circumstances.

Wouldn’t make any difference. Sturgeon shutdown is 26 December to 16 January. Current scheduled fixture shutdown is 3 January to 21 January.  No room for any fixture rescheduling. Three games need to be rescheduled into Feb/March unless they just go ahead behind closed doors. 

[Diego10]

29 minutes ago, Bret the Hitman Hearts said:

 

It's not ebola ffs. It's a bad cold for 99% of people

1% of people is a lot unless you're a sociopath

[buzzbomb1958]

1 minute ago, soonbe110 said:

Wouldn’t make any difference. Sturgeon shutdown is 26 December to 16 January. Current scheduled fixture shutdown is 3 January to 21 January.  No room for any fixture rescheduling. Three games need to be rescheduled into Feb/March unless they just go ahead behind closed doors. 

Games will be played behind closed doors especially for tv

[soonbe110]

20 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Yep, masks have certainly stopped this particular global pandemic dead in its tracks. 

Last game at tynie and Dens on Saturday there were very few masks being worn inside the concourse, catering kiosks and toilets.  It was disappointing, even my 9 year old grandson commented on it. 

[InternationalJambo]

Get your vaccines, get your boosters and we will be back to normal for summer 😂. Beyond fed up of this now, it’s an absolute shambles.
 

Wouldn’t be surprised if this slows down the booster uptake enormously. 

[Jamboelite]

19 minutes ago, Boab said:

1 week is the same as three.

There are no fixtures for the the last two weeks.

But the three weeks isnt just for football ?

[Lambo85]

Just now, InternationalJambo said:

Get your vaccines, get your boosters and we will be back to normal for summer 😂. Beyond fed up of this now, it’s an absolute shambles.
 

Wouldn’t be surprised if this slows down the booster uptake enormously. 

 

Totally agree. Some people will just be saying what's the point in getting the booster because when the next variant comes around, we will all be in the same boat again!!

 

Shambles!!!

[Jamboelite]

17 minutes ago, Jambo_Gaz said:

Nah they can cope like they always have. 

 

NHS been putting money in the wrong places for years. 

 

Remember take the vaccine to set you free? Total piss take. Ram the booster. 

Wow.

 

NHS can just cope……deary me.

[hughesie27]

3 minutes ago, happyjam said:

Social distancing is only 1m which is nothing and after folk have had there 3rd pint there will be a constant stream of bodies going back and forth to toilet.    

1m social distancing in a stand would mean that you would have about 2 seats either side of you empty, not counting seats infront of behind you. Would reduce capacity if applied strictly to about 100 or something. In reality they'd probably get away with 1 or 2 seats between groups as was the case earlier in the season.

Even with 500 people there would hardly be a stream of folk going to the toilet unless they were pissing every 5 minutes. But even considering that is putting too much thought into it. It's a guideline, individuals then need to use their brains to follow them at the time.

[TyphoonJambo]

So best case,for team finances,is we lose the boxing day revenue.  However,unless the scientists come out and prove this is,for the majority,no worse than a heavy cold, backed up by no great rise in hospitalisation figures,then this could be extended. Then they'll  have to consider curtailment.

[Footballfirst]

13 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Rather than doubling every two to three days the data she gave today suggests it doubling every two weeks. 

If all cases reported since the beginning of December were Omicron then your argument would stand up. Delta was still the prominent variant until Friday.

 

I put up an illustration of the progression/doubling of the Omicron Variant on the Covid thread in the Shed, but it is worth repeating here to aid understanding.  The reported figures suggest that Delta cases are stable (R no = 1) and that the recent increase is driven by Omicron (R no >3).

 

Day 1 10,000 cases (9900 Delta, 100 Omicron)

Day 3 10,100 cases (9900 Delta, 200 Omicron)

Day 5 10,300 cases (9900 Delta, 400 Omicron)

Day 7 10,700 cases (9900 Delta, 800 Omicron)

Day 9 11,500 cases (9900 Delta, 1600 Omicron)

Day 11 13,100 cases (9900 Delta, 3200 Omicron)

Day 13 16,300 cases (9900 Delta, 6400 Omicron)

Day 15 22,700 cases (9900 Delta, 12,800 Omicron)

 

The above example shows the total number of cases doubling over two weeks, but with Omicron doubling every two days.  Without mitigating actions that doubling would lead to an exponential increase in case numbers.  The guidelines that have announced before today may already have slowed that increase as parties and events have been cancelled.

 

Stronger restrictions as announced today should also slow the rate of increase going forward.

 

That's the theory, lets hope it works in practice. 

[portobellojambo1]

30 minutes ago, BelgeJambo said:

That’s what I thought

Nope, it definitely says from 26th, which means the Boxing day fixtures are included. I think the clubs involved will decide to make it no fans at all, how else are they going to select 500 fans when each have in excess of that number of ST holders. And with no guarantees that other games won't be postponed if the weather turns nasty over late January/February I don't think they will move the close season to start earlier.

[hughesie27]

Just now, TypoonJambo said:

So best case,for team finances,is we lose the boxing day revenue.  However,unless the scientists come out and prove this is,for the majority,no worse than a heavy cold, backed up by no great rise in hospitalisation figures,then this could be extended. Then they'll  have to consider curtailment.

We are also due to play St J at home on 29th.

[Maroon Sailor]

This will be the next advice before leaving your home.

 

Remember to wear this

 

[soonbe110]

17 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

Test rate % has nothing to do with number of tests. It's a % not a number. If it goes up then it means it's spreading through more people.

 

The other markers you mention won't show any increase for a couple of weeks from now. 3 weeks ago when Omicron appeared here there were a handful of cases, usually hospitalisation follows 2 weeks later and deaths weeks after that. Of course hospitalizations won't be increased yet as only a handful had it.

 

Now we are at 1000s picking it up a day so if there is to be an increase we will see it going forward.

 

Hopefully it doesn't increase and these restrictions come to an end after 3 weeks.

 

At that stage the Scottish Gov can make plans to come up with a long term plan as this isn't sustainable.

Test rate percentage is the number of positive tests divided by the total number of tests conducted multiplied by a hundred.  Only two factors in the calculation - number of tests conducted, number of those tests that come back positive. Not sure how you don’t understand that both elements equally drive the %age outcome. 
 

Based on what you say, if it’s correct, how can this possibly end in three weeks? 

[AlphonseCapone]

17 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

Test rate % has nothing to do with number of tests. It's a % not a number. If it goes up then it means it's spreading through more people.

 

The other markers you mention won't show any increase for a couple of weeks from now. 3 weeks ago when Omicron appeared here there were a handful of cases, usually hospitalisation follows 2 weeks later and deaths weeks after that. Of course hospitalizations won't be increased yet as only a handful had it.

 

Now we are at 1000s picking it up a day so if there is to be an increase we will see it going forward.

 

Hopefully it doesn't increase and these restrictions come to an end after 3 weeks.

 

At that stage the Scottish Gov can make plans to come up with a long term plan as this isn't sustainable.

 

I'd describe myself as in the middle with all these debates, not foaming at wearing masks or distancing etc but also think at times the Government are making a complete arse of certain things.

 

But it's the bold that really, really pisses me off, because the time for governments to have done that was in the summer, when case numbers decreased and folk could be outside more. Instead, they don't come up with a sustainable plan, as though a new variant like this wasn't a distinct possibility, and now are on the back foot relying on lockdown type measures. Why haven't we learned anything or come up with strategies during the last two lulls. 

 

Anyway, rant over, and not necessarily directed at you, just in response to the bold. 

[hearts00]

22 minutes ago, VALDOS' said:

I'm slowly coming over to this way of thinking.

 

20 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

Test rate % has nothing to do with number of tests. It's a % not a number. If it goes up then it means it's spreading through more people.

 

The other markers you mention won't show any increase for a couple of weeks from now. 3 weeks ago when Omicron appeared here there were a handful of cases, usually hospitalisation follows 2 weeks later and deaths weeks after that. Of course hospitalizations won't be increased yet as only a handful had it.

 

Now we are at 1000s picking it up a day so if there is to be an increase we will see it going forward.

 

Hopefully it doesn't increase and these restrictions come to an end after 3 weeks.

 

At that stage the Scottish Gov can make plans to come up with a long term plan as this isn't sustainable.

They have done this with no data to back it up, just the same erroneous modelling. Cases in SA already falling and virtually no uptick in hospitalisations and just to remind people only 26% of the population in SA are two dose vaccinated. But yes lets get booster 4, 5, 6…
 

So what goves you any confidence this will be lifted in three weeks. If they don’t even need data now to put restrictions on our freedoms, then they certainly wont use the data to give us them back. 
 

Utterly disgraceful decision. 

[portobellojambo1]

1 minute ago, Maroon Sailor said:

This will be the next advice before leaving your home.

 

Remember to wear this

 

 

Is that the only colour it comes in.

[Jamboelite]

12 minutes ago, julienbrellier said:

This government which I’ve backed for some time is an absolute shambles now. Football fans been scapegoated and punished, can’t watch a match with vaccine passports outdoors but people can still drink and socialise indoors and go to pubs etc. On what level does it make any sense at all. 
 

also zero point in going through the last 18 months if we just lockdown every year again. Wonder how long people will put up with it, anyone fancy 10 years in a row?

Not just football fans though is it as there are two massive rugby gamed that draw 20,000-30,000 knackered and the Hogmanay celebrations.

 

Agree on the lockdown point but its a tricky one, if you wait to see if its a mild variant and its not then hospitals are fecked and its too late but do it too early and its nothing then you are seen as over reacting.

[TyphoonJambo]

1 minute ago, hughesie27 said:

We are also due to play St J at home on 29th.

Oops forgot that one.🤢

[happyjam]

2 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

1m social distancing in a stand would mean that you would have about 2 seats either side of you empty, not counting seats infront of behind you. Would reduce capacity if applied strictly to about 100 or something. In reality they'd probably get away with 1 or 2 seats between groups as was the case earlier in the season.

Even with 500 people there would hardly be a stream of folk going to the toilet unless they were pissing every 5 minutes. But even considering that is putting too much thought into it. It's a guideline, individuals then need to use their brains to follow them at the time.

I was referring to people watching games in a pub when people are constantly drinking as opposed to in the ground.  1 metre in not that far apart in a pub.

[martoon]

18 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

 Aye I know what you mean. I'm also of an age that I got offered the Flu jab at the same time as the booster and I think the nurse stuck me with a nail, not a needle. Its still bruised 2 weeks later.

 

😊