Boab Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 25 minutes ago, Dazo said: For the current shitshow no, what are they actually doing about it now we are in it though ? And for the decline in health and education that started long before the current mess, absolutely. They are looking at an alternative to the way we govern ourselves, that's what they're doing about it. Pretty radical and I can't really blame them for pursuing it when you look at the government down south. Comparing the SG's failings, and, of course there are some, with the criminality of those down there is, well, incomparable ! It's staggering that they have gotten away with a lot of it. That's on the electorate and, hopefully, they'll come to their senses pretty soon. The Nats, no doubt, think that's a possibility and want to get in before the next GE. I don't blame them for that because if the Tories were punted, it would be harder to convince people to vote for separation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Welcome to what a future Indy Scotland would look like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Welcome to what a future Indy Scotland would look like You're actually showing what a current Scotland run by Westminster looks like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Smithee said: You're actually showing what a current Scotland run by Westminster looks like. Is there anything you believe Scottish government is responsible for? Women in Scotland being asked to leave a meeting in Scotland yet it's Westminster to blame. Pointless debating when you simply refuse to see what's in front of you. Goodbye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Welcome to what a future Indy Scotland would look like They should have paid attention to parliament rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Is there anything you believe Scottish government is responsible for? Women in Scotland being asked to leave a meeting in Scotland yet it's Westminster to blame. Pointless debating when you simply refuse to see what's in front of you. Goodbye. Goodbye. Here's a fact though - stuff that's happening now is under Westminster rule. Pointing at it and going "see? This is what Scottish independence looks like!" is ****ing mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: They should have paid attention to parliament rules. Oh I see rules not meant to be broken like ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Just now, JudyJudyJudy said: Oh I see rules not meant to be broken like ? Probably not...unless your a tory then you break the rules you actually made yourself...or the ECHR, or the EU, or international treaties or anything really. The tories can do whatever they like and they do so there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Oh I see rules not meant to be broken like ? No. That's why they are rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: Probably not...unless your a tory then you break the rules you actually made yourself...or the ECHR, or the EU, or international treaties or anything really. The tories can do whatever they like and they do so there! Mahri Black drinking booze on a train ? , the one who had covid and travelled on train to west minister ? Sturgeon no wearing a mask in a barbers ? Et al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: No. That's why they are rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Anyway those women did the right thing and got heaps of publicity by calling out the hypocrisy of NS . Well done ladies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 49 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Welcome to what a future Indy Scotland would look like 22 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Oh I see rules not meant to be broken like ? 14 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Mahri Black drinking booze on a train ? , the one who had covid and travelled on train to west minister ? Sturgeon no wearing a mask in a barbers ? Et al 13 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: 12 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Anyway those women did the right thing and got heaps of publicity by calling out the hypocrisy of NS . Well done ladies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Mahri Black drinking booze on a train ? , the one who had covid and travelled on train to west minister ? Sturgeon no wearing a mask in a barbers ? Et al Indeed. Lets bring back the Guillotine for the Scottish Government but ignore things like lying to the Queen, Illegally proroguing Parliament, the entire Dominic Cummings affair, Matt Hancock's dodgy PPE contracts, Greeshill scandal, Matt Hancock (again) with his hands all over his secretary's arse, the entire partygate shitshow and I haven't even mentioned Brexit Et al. UK OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: Indeed. Lets bring back the Guillotine for the Scottish Government but ignore things like lying to the Queen, Illegally proroguing Parliament, the entire Dominic Cummings affair, Matt Hancock's dodgy PPE contracts, Greeshill scandal, Matt Hancock (again) with his hands all over his secretary's arse, the entire partygate shitshow and I haven't even mentioned Brexit Et al. UK OK No it happens with all party mps or msps , it’s not just a Tory thing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: No it happens with all party mps or msps , it’s not just a Tory thing . I agree. If MP's/MSP's get caught with their pants down then they should have the good grace to resign. The issue is, the 2nd biggest buffoon ever in politics (after Trump) is in charge of the UK government and he continually lies and breaks the rules and gets away with it (even his own rules), and in so doing, sets a precedent for others to do the same. Right up there with Trumps "Post Truth" nonsense once he's been caught talking shite. Almost no accountability these days so drinking on the train seems almost petty although, see my opening sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 23 hours ago, Dazo said: It is a UK government voted in by the UK electorate. Pretty basic stuff that you seem to struggle with. SNP skooshing Scotland down the pan but keep getting voted in. 😂 Luckily I couldn’t give much of a toss about either government to be honest. Then again I don’t have a chip on my shoulder and sit about blaming some mp’s because my life is so shit. What seems to get lost in the telling is that in terms of day to day stuff it's actually the SNP that has the keys... https://www.parliament.scot/about/how-parliament-works/devolved-and-reserved-powers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Worrier Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 19 October 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Only one minute into her speech and her first lie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Ultimate Worrier said: 19 October 2023. God damn, it’s going to be a long and tiresome run to that vote. Yes will probably win this time, which is for the best. Better that Scotland gets on with it and does it’s own thing. The arguing about it is so tedious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Things have turned ugly at Holyrood, Dross is speaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboy1982 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Only one minute into her speech and her first lie No lie in what she’s said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Only one minute into her speech and her first lie How is it a lie ? The Scottish Election wasn't a vote on Independence. The fact that the majority of MSPs elected, are in favour of having one is another thing entirely. The vote can still take place and be defeated so she was right on what said, then and now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Reynolds Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Let the tears and snotters commence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Boris call her bluff . Agree to Section 30 . Simple as that . Then it’ll be a legally binding ref . She’s at it . Trying in every where to extend her stay as SNP leader by any means . A “ consultative “ Ref will not be an accurate reflection of Potential nos do not vote . Then if it is a yes then there’s the bun fight to end all bun fights between Scotland and England regarding its legality . The only person benefiting is NS as she will continue the “ fight “ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 And I'll keep repeating it. If the No camp are so confident, let the vote take place and if it's defeated, it's more or less a done deal ! Again, what are you so scared of ? I'm being slightly rhetorical of course, I'm very ****ing aware what you're scared of ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, jonesy said: About where I am with it, too. I'd love a clause whereby no further constitutional referenda are permitted, under any circumstances, for at least three decades. Governments should get on with governing (or, even more preferably, finding ways to make themselves redundant). Boris should agree to it with the agreement that there is no more ref until a generation , a real generation not a Govan one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Boris call her bluff . Agree to Section 30 . Simple as that . Then it’ll be a legally binding ref . She’s at it . Trying in every where to extend her stay as SNP leader by any means . A “ consultative “ Ref will not be an accurate reflection of Potential nos do not vote . Then if it is a yes then there’s the bun fight to end all bun fights between Scotland and England regarding its legality . The only person benefiting is NS as she will continue the “ fight “ See above, I agree, let the vote happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said: Let the tears and snotters commence Nope . Happy that there now sone progress . So let’s get on with it and may the dice roll where they fall . Imperative Boris agrees to a Section 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Boab said: See above, I agree, let the vote happen. Same . Let the arguments begin and see who wins . It’s that simple . Least it’s actual movement now . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Progress. Independence from the result of the next General Election. No need for Referendum. Even Alex Salmond can get behind that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 So now we need to see the proposals and evidence to support the view that an independent Scotland will succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 This will be the level of debate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboy1982 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Imaman said: So now we need to see the proposals and evidence to support the view that an independent Scotland will succeed. Alternatively proposals and evidence that an independent Scotland could perform better than the clown show that is the uk. Failing services everywhere whilst massively adding to an already crippling debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, jamboy1982 said: Alternatively proposals and evidence that an independent Scotland could perform better than the clown show that is the uk. Failing services everywhere whilst massively adding to an already crippling debt. The main proposal seems to be for Scotland to borrow to spend more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 30 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Only one minute into her speech and her first lie Even Douglas Ross agreed with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Ray Gin said: Even Douglas Ross agreed with this. But apparently he’s a “ fud” so who cares what he says ? Can’t have it both ways . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Japan Jambo said: What seems to get lost in the telling is that in terms of day to day stuff it's actually the SNP that has the keys... https://www.parliament.scot/about/how-parliament-works/devolved-and-reserved-powers What you are thinking is despite making an utter ***** of the current powers if the get even more all of a sudden the snp become great at running the country. 😂 21 minutes ago, Boab said: And I'll keep repeating it. If the No camp are so confident, let the vote take place and if it's defeated, it's more or less a done deal ! Again, what are you so scared of ? I'm being slightly rhetorical of course, I'm very ****ing aware what you're scared of ! Can any side be genuinely confident of a result ? I know sure as hell won’t be. The country is completely divided, not sure how any result can be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Dazo said: What you are thinking is despite making an utter ***** of the current powers if the get even more all of a sudden the snp become great at running the country. 😂 Can any side be genuinely confident of a result ? I know sure as hell won’t be. The country is completely divided, not sure how any result can be good. Don't think they can, D, but all I hear from the No camp is how badly the SG are performing. If it's so bad it will be a breeze surely ? Although, don't go with our very own poll...that's a landslide ! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 23 minutes ago, Imaman said: So now we need to see the proposals and evidence to support the view that an independent Scotland will succeed. It will succeed in giving Scotland a government it can hold to account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Boab said: Don't think they can, D, but all I hear from the No camp is how badly the SG are performing. If it's so bad it will be a breeze surely ? Although, don't go with our very own poll...that's a landslide ! 😂 Well apart from Smithee no one can be confident. 😂 To be fair if you don’t want independence then the snp are going to be your target and if you do then it’s the tories/Westminster. Round and round ee go. 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: This will be the level of debate Stop bringing it into the debate then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dazo said: Well apart from Smithee no one can be confident. 😂 To be fair if you don’t want independence then the snp are going to be your target and if you do then it’s the tories/Westminster. Round and round ee go. 😊 Why wouldn't I be confident? The cat's out the bag, Westminster's a cesspit and the UK couldn't give a **** about Scotland except for "helping us" use our resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Smithee said: Stop bringing it into the debate then It’s an observation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, JudyJudyJudy said: It’s an observation Likewise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Smithee said: Why wouldn't I be confident? The cat's out the bag, Westminster's a cesspit and the UK couldn't give a **** about Scotland except for "helping us" use our resources. Because the country is divided pretty much down the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: But apparently he’s a “ fud” so who cares what he says ? Can’t have it both ways . I've never called him a fud, however I wouldn't disagree with that assessment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: But apparently he’s a “ fud” so who cares what he says ? Can’t have it both ways . The problem with likes of Doogz is that they change their minds that often that nobody knows where they stand. Oh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, jamboy1982 said: Alternatively proposals and evidence that an independent Scotland could perform better than the clown show that is the uk. Failing services everywhere whilst massively adding to an already crippling debt. To be fair the clowns down in WestMonster are a great reason to vote Yes. However it would be helpful to see some of the age old questions answered. Edited June 28, 2022 by Imaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, Dazo said: Because the country is divided pretty much down the middle. 16 months of Westminster shit show will only make it more obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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