Mikey1874 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 More people have come forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 On 02/03/2022 at 15:47, Musemic said: I'm not sure it would be appropriate for the FM or her government to comment on what would appear to now be a live court case. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Never commented on it when it wasn't a live court case. Did she or they comment before Goodwillie was a live court case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john thomas Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, Sooks said: Did she or they comment before Goodwillie was a live court case Of course they didn't . Nor could they . I would have thought , basically , that was common knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Just now, john thomas said: Of course they didn't . Nor could they . I would have thought , basically , that was common knowledge As would I but for some reason people are hinting that the first minister and Scottish government are guilty of duplicity or lack of parity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitonastranger Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 On 02/03/2022 at 12:11, John Findlay said: Funny that as the head of that government, was not slow in coming forward to condemn David Goodwillie. how can she discuss an ongoing case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john thomas Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Sooks said: As would I but for some reason people are hinting that the first minister and Scottish government are guilty of duplicity or lack of parity Yes certainly some reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 30 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: More people have come forward Good news. The more brave souls that come forward the better... this should never be forgotten, allowed to happen again, nor swept under any carpet. Here's hoping they get some form of justice (or peace) out of this tragic episode. “The court has made this a real, live litigation and Celtic have been given a clear sign they need to stop their obfuscation. “There can be no hiding behind legal technicalities and trying to evade their responsibilities through delaying tactics. “The decision has given more people the strength to come forward. “That’s what we’ve heard from former boys club players in the last few days.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo_jim2001 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Hope they get nailed to the wall, disgusting how this is getting dragged on and on🤬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Rogue Daddy said: Good news. The more brave souls that come forward the better... this should never be forgotten, allowed to happen again, nor swept under any carpet. Here's hoping they get some form of justice (or peace) out of this tragic episode. “The court has made this a real, live litigation and Celtic have been given a clear sign they need to stop their obfuscation. “There can be no hiding behind legal technicalities and trying to evade their responsibilities through delaying tactics. “The decision has given more people the strength to come forward. “That’s what we’ve heard from former boys club players in the last few days.” To be fair ‘legal technicalities’ tend to just be ‘the law’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Now that names can be legally kept from trhe public more will come forward, the real number will never be known Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, Hagar the Horrible said: Now that names can be legally kept from trhe public more will come forward, the real number will never be known In previous cases of this nature what sort of arrangements were made over payment schedule to the victims in a successful outcome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 If it helps the people who suffered this abuse then it’s all good, these horrible *******s suffering a financial hit is a good side effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 47 minutes ago, davemclaren said: To be fair ‘legal technicalities’ tend to just be ‘the law’. I’m no expert but the legal technicalities here are Celtic FC proving they had no link to the boys club. Whole case hinges on that one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: More people have come forward proving they had no link to the boys club. Whole case hinges on that one point. This picture seems to make that argument a weak one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, TypoonJambo said: proving they had no link to the boys club. Whole case hinges on that one point. This picture seems to make that argument a weak one. Quote You’d think but they’re Point blank refusing to admit any link, in fact going out their way to prove otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, Sooks said: In previous cases of this nature what sort of arrangements were made over payment schedule to the victims in a successful outcome? Its a grey area the law only came into effect in 2020, before that each case was dealt individually, and after the first case bankrupedcy would have kicked in. I think Celtic have ring fenced money, but David Goodwillie was ordered to pay £100k in compensation (not sure if that was even paid?) but this was ritualistic and kids were trafficked and abused more than once. even if thay all end up with circa £200k thats still £6m Celtic still have £20m in the bank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, TypoonJambo said: proving they had no link to the boys club. Whole case hinges on that one point. This picture seems to make that argument a weak one. Quote yep. ...and the fact that they "cannae find ra papurwurk" - proving they were two entities. 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 21 minutes ago, Rudy T said: I’m no expert but the legal technicalities here are Celtic FC proving they had no link to the boys club. Whole case hinges on that one point. And the courts will take a legal decision on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Has Ally Brazil mentioned this case recently because I remember him talking about it previously and his connection to what went on. It really is soul damaging to think about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, davemclaren said: And the courts will take a legal decision on that. They’ll will indeed. At least it’s got this far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 35 minutes ago, Rudy T said: They’ll will indeed. At least it’s got this far. Yip, it’s right that the victims get their day in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Celtic Boys Club might technically have been separate. But this is one of the bigger problems Celtic have with denying responsibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Not just Celtic that are in denial. It's mostly a wall of silence from ex Celtic employees. But maybe see more of this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbojambo Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 On 09/03/2022 at 15:04, Sooks said: Has Ally Brazil mentioned this case recently because I remember him talking about it previously and his connection to what went on. It really is soul damaging to think about you might be thinking about Alan Brazil, Ally Brazil played for the Lochenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Idle Talk Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I only have two comments on this topic. 1. What happened was atrocious and Celtic's attempts to distance themselves from it are both immoral and disgraceful. In the end they won't get away with it. 2. Supporters of other clubs who revel in this are behaving in a way that does not sit right with me. It seems to me that they aren't that bothered about the victims but are using the whole subject as a vindication for hating Celtic. This won't be true for everybody but I am sure in quite a few cases it is true. I hope Celtic do get done for this and that the victims receive an amount of money that will help them to move on with their lives. No amount of money will ever erase the horror of what happened to them but it can help in some way. A formal apology from Celtic would also help. Not just Celtic, but all the other clubs in Britain who have had a part in this. Sadly it was a very widespread thing. Hopefully it is something that no longer happens but I have my doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 4 hours ago, No Idle Talk said: I only have two comments on this topic. 1. What happened was atrocious and Celtic's attempts to distance themselves from it are both immoral and disgraceful. In the end they won't get away with it. 2. Supporters of other clubs who revel in this are behaving in a way that does not sit right with me. It seems to me that they aren't that bothered about the victims but are using the whole subject as a vindication for hating Celtic. This won't be true for everybody but I am sure in quite a few cases it is true. I hope Celtic do get done for this and that the victims receive an amount of money that will help them to move on with their lives. No amount of money will ever erase the horror of what happened to them but it can help in some way. A formal apology from Celtic would also help. Not just Celtic, but all the other clubs in Britain who have had a part in this. Sadly it was a very widespread thing. Hopefully it is something that no longer happens but I have my doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, No Idle Talk said: I only have two comments on this topic. 1. What happened was atrocious and Celtic's attempts to distance themselves from it are both immoral and disgraceful. In the end they won't get away with it. 2. Supporters of other clubs who revel in this are behaving in a way that does not sit right with me. It seems to me that they aren't that bothered about the victims but are using the whole subject as a vindication for hating Celtic. This won't be true for everybody but I am sure in quite a few cases it is true. I hope Celtic do get done for this and that the victims receive an amount of money that will help them to move on with their lives. No amount of money will ever erase the horror of what happened to them but it can help in some way. A formal apology from Celtic would also help. Not just Celtic, but all the other clubs in Britain who have had a part in this. Sadly it was a very widespread thing. Hopefully it is something that no longer happens but I have my doubts. Good post. Goes way beyond football. I’d want victims of abuse to get justice regardless of which individuals, companies or organisation were culpable. This is no different and just like other large organisations in similar circumstance, Celtic have behaved despicably in trying to weasel out of it. Edited March 11, 2022 by GinRummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 9 hours ago, No Idle Talk said: I only have two comments on this topic. 1. What happened was atrocious and Celtic's attempts to distance themselves from it are both immoral and disgraceful. In the end they won't get away with it. 2. Supporters of other clubs who revel in this are behaving in a way that does not sit right with me. It seems to me that they aren't that bothered about the victims but are using the whole subject as a vindication for hating Celtic. This won't be true for everybody but I am sure in quite a few cases it is true. I hope Celtic do get done for this and that the victims receive an amount of money that will help them to move on with their lives. No amount of money will ever erase the horror of what happened to them but it can help in some way. A formal apology from Celtic would also help. Not just Celtic, but all the other clubs in Britain who have had a part in this. Sadly it was a very widespread thing. Hopefully it is something that no longer happens but I have my doubts. Very good post mate. Other clubs have acted 'appropriately' (not sure if that's the right word here)... and have at the very least 'owned' their part in these tragic episodes. Celtic, unfortunately, are acting like Celtic. They are an absolute disgrace of an institution. The current incumbents of Celtic Park can't change a single thing in the past... they can, however, act with some humility and try to offer some level of comfort to these poor souls. Starting with an apology. But this is Celtic we're talking about. They would rather distance themselves, absolve themselves of all blame and drag the real victims through the courts reliving their horrible pasts... in many ways, Celtic today are every bit as bad as back then. THIS is why most are singling Celtic out. If Hearts were behaving this way I would be disgusted beyond belief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tams bird Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 What's happening with the other clubs it happened at.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 This is no doubt why they reigned in their spending and failed to take the opportunity to completely pull away from Rangers. They probably have a large pot of money in reserve for this and the victims' legal team will know it. As others have said this hasn't been confined to Celtic but Celtic have acted especially badly in not accepting any responsibility at all. I assume that has made things much worse for the victims, which is pretty despicable to be honest. Considering their whole brand image revolves around them being champions of the downtrodden, they're going to struggle to recover. Although as we saw with them not paying a living wage and having someone like John Reid as Chairman that image has always been a myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK2020 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 On 09/03/2022 at 12:13, Sooks said: As would I but for some reason people are hinting that the first minister and Scottish government are guilty of duplicity or lack of parity I'm no fan of Nippy but her hand was kinda forced into making a comment when Val McDermid took her understandable action by removing her sponsorship of Raith. The Celtic case is a live case and whatever Sturgeon may have been accused of before this action was launched she'd be ill-advised in the extreme to comment on it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK2020 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 8 hours ago, Rogue Daddy said: Very good post mate. Other clubs have acted 'appropriately' (not sure if that's the right word here)... and have at the very least 'owned' their part in these tragic episodes. Celtic, unfortunately, are acting like Celtic. They are an absolute disgrace of an institution. The current incumbents of Celtic Park can't change a single thing in the past... they can, however, act with some humility and try to offer some level of comfort to these poor souls. Starting with an apology. But this is Celtic we're talking about. They would rather distance themselves, absolve themselves of all blame and drag the real victims through the courts reliving their horrible pasts... in many ways, Celtic today are every bit as bad as back then. THIS is why most are singling Celtic out. If Hearts were behaving this way I would be disgusted beyond belief! 100% nail on head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, JDK2020 said: I'm no fan of Nippy but her hand was kinda forced into making a comment when Val McDermid took her understandable action by removing her sponsorship of Raith. The Celtic case is a live case and whatever Sturgeon may have been accused of before this action was launched she'd be ill-advised in the extreme to comment on it now. Celtic abuse wasn't always in court. That is only very very recently. Leaving aside Sturgeon, the campaigners supporting the victims (some of whom were victims) have had several unpleasant exchanges online with SNP politicians who have all refused to make any comment regarding Celtic. If it was 20 years ago maybe same would have happened with Labour politicians. Celtic have a lot of power. Edited March 11, 2022 by Mikey1874 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 7 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Celtic abuse wasn't always in court. That is only very very recently. Leaving aside Sturgeon, the campaigners supporting the victims (some of whom were victims) have had several unpleasant exchanges online with SNP politicians who have all refused to make any comment regarding Celtic. If it was 20 years ago maybe same would have happened with Labour politicians. Celtic have a lot of power. The victims have had several unpleasant exchanges with SNP politicians on line can I ask where and when this happened as I would like to see this for myself thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK2020 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Sooks said: The victims have had several unpleasant exchanges with SNP politicians on line can I ask where and when this happened as I would like to see this for myself thanks in advance I'm guessing mikey is referring to Dornan, the SNP guy who promised to investigate on behalf of one of the leading survivors just before an election but immediately blocked the guy on twitter the day after the election. The Spotlight site has covered it. Various snp ministers right to the very top blocked the same guy (Gordon Wood?) some time back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 1 minute ago, JDK2020 said: I'm guessing mikey is referring to Dornan, the SNP guy who promised to investigate on behalf of one of the leading survivors just before an election but immediately blocked the guy on twitter the day after the election. The Spotlight site has covered it. Various snp ministers right to the very top blocked the same guy (Gordon Wood?) some time back. Thank you I will have a look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgieroar Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 On 10/03/2022 at 18:04, Mikey1874 said: Not just Celtic that are in denial. It's mostly a wall of silence from ex Celtic employees. But maybe see more of this too. Torbett was always with young boys at powderhall in the 80s and 90s everybody knew he was a kiddie fiddler even back then folk I knew were always told to stay well away from him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 On 11/03/2022 at 02:21, No Idle Talk said: I only have two comments on this topic. 1. What happened was atrocious and Celtic's attempts to distance themselves from it are both immoral and disgraceful. In the end they won't get away with it. 2. Supporters of other clubs who revel in this are behaving in a way that does not sit right with me. It seems to me that they aren't that bothered about the victims but are using the whole subject as a vindication for hating Celtic. This won't be true for everybody but I am sure in quite a few cases it is true. I hope Celtic do get done for this and that the victims receive an amount of money that will help them to move on with their lives. No amount of money will ever erase the horror of what happened to them but it can help in some way. A formal apology from Celtic would also help. Not just Celtic, but all the other clubs in Britain who have had a part in this. Sadly it was a very widespread thing. Hopefully it is something that no longer happens but I have my doubts. Great post and I’m sure many agree. If this was Marks and Spencer’s historical sex abuse or KFC or just about any other organisation there wouldn’t be the slightest bit of interest and certainly not a thread in The Terrace. This is a completely non football matter and the thread should be moved to the Shed for starters. Nasty Point scoring and hoping Celtic FC get financially disadvantaged to our benefit. You have to wonder how low some people on here will stoop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Great post and I’m sure many agree. If this was Marks and Spencer’s historical sex abuse or KFC or just about any other organisation there wouldn’t be the slightest bit of interest and certainly not a thread in The Terrace. This is a completely non football matter and the thread should be moved to the Shed for starters. Nasty Point scoring and hoping Celtic FC get financially disadvantaged to our benefit. You have to wonder how low some people on here will stoop Has that been happening on here though because I may have missed it but most people are generally not stooping to that level and it absolutely is a football story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, JimmyCant said: Great post and I’m sure many agree. If this was Marks and Spencer’s historical sex abuse or KFC or just about any other organisation there wouldn’t be the slightest bit of interest and certainly not a thread in The Terrace. This is a completely non football matter and the thread should be moved to the Shed for starters. Nasty Point scoring and hoping Celtic FC get financially disadvantaged to our benefit. You have to wonder how low some people on here will stoop Can't decide if you are being serious or have your tongue firmly in your cheek with this post. I sincerely hope its the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, JimmyCant said: Great post and I’m sure many agree. If this was Marks and Spencer’s historical sex abuse or KFC or just about any other organisation there wouldn’t be the slightest bit of interest and certainly not a thread in The Terrace. This is a completely non football matter and the thread should be moved to the Shed for starters. Nasty Point scoring and hoping Celtic FC get financially disadvantaged to our benefit. You have to wonder how low some people on here will stoop But not as low as the perpetrators. It's a football matter. Should we just ignore it? (That BTW is a rhetorical question) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 hours ago, JimmyCant said: Great post and I’m sure many agree. If this was Marks and Spencer’s historical sex abuse or KFC or just about any other organisation there wouldn’t be the slightest bit of interest and certainly not a thread in The Terrace. This is a completely non football matter and the thread should be moved to the Shed for starters. Nasty Point scoring and hoping Celtic FC get financially disadvantaged to our benefit. You have to wonder how low some people on here will stoop Exactly how Celtic want it. And they've been fairly successful at that so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 On 01/03/2022 at 18:07, N Lincs Jambo said: My sis-in-law is a now retired clinical psychologist who spent 33 working years dealing with these scum perverts. I’m not talking Celtic BC but just in general. She said many years ago that paedophilia is so much more widespread than people think. It’s everywhere. They used to tell her stories thinking they would shock her. She told me that they would be pretty upset when she said she’d heard that story so many times before. Sad world we live in I tried to send you a privet message, however, I was told you couldn't receive any. Your post is so very important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambo_Jambo Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 On 11/03/2022 at 02:21, No Idle Talk said: I only have two comments on this topic. 1. What happened was atrocious and Celtic's attempts to distance themselves from it are both immoral and disgraceful. In the end they won't get away with it. 2. Supporters of other clubs who revel in this are behaving in a way that does not sit right with me. It seems to me that they aren't that bothered about the victims but are using the whole subject as a vindication for hating Celtic. This won't be true for everybody but I am sure in quite a few cases it is true. I hope Celtic do get done for this and that the victims receive an amount of money that will help them to move on with their lives. No amount of money will ever erase the horror of what happened to them but it can help in some way. A formal apology from Celtic would also help. Not just Celtic, but all the other clubs in Britain who have had a part in this. Sadly it was a very widespread thing. Hopefully it is something that no longer happens but I have my doubts. Spot on. No points to be scored here, just scores of lives ruined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 19 hours ago, niblick1874 said: I tried to send you a privet message, however, I was told you couldn't receive any. Your post is so very important. I have made some space in my inbox so please feel free to try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 On 23/03/2022 at 08:57, JimmyCant said: Great post and I’m sure many agree. If this was Marks and Spencer’s historical sex abuse or KFC or just about any other organisation there wouldn’t be the slightest bit of interest and certainly not a thread in The Terrace. This is a completely non football matter and the thread should be moved to the Shed for starters. Nasty Point scoring and hoping Celtic FC get financially disadvantaged to our benefit. You have to wonder how low some people on here will stoop Reads like a Celtic PR release 😏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 01/03/2022 at 18:07, N Lincs Jambo said: My sis-in-law is a now retired clinical psychologist who spent 33 working years dealing with these scum perverts. I’m not talking Celtic BC but just in general. She said many years ago that paedophilia is so much more widespread than people think. It’s everywhere. They used to tell her stories thinking they would shock her. She told me that they would be pretty upset when she said she’d heard that story so many times before. Sad world we live in I waited for someone to see the above post for what it was. Did no one read the bit about what his Sis-in-law told them many years ago. When she told the poster they were everywhere, did everyone think that was made up by the poster? Doesn't anyone want to know what she meant by everywhere. I can tell everyone. She was spot on. Thank you for posting what you did N Lincs. You gave the key to the truth in your post. Your Sis-in-law told you the truth. They were, and are now, by design, everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 On 10/03/2022 at 00:48, Hagar the Horrible said: Its a grey area the law only came into effect in 2020, before that each case was dealt individually, and after the first case bankrupedcy would have kicked in. I think Celtic have ring fenced money, but David Goodwillie was ordered to pay £100k in compensation (not sure if that was even paid?) but this was ritualistic and kids were trafficked and abused more than once. even if thay all end up with circa £200k thats still £6m Celtic still have £20m in the bank That would sound ridiculously cheap but not unexpected considering the case will be held in a Scottish court. It cost Handy Andy more than £12m for a single victim. Personally I would like to see it cost them 10 times that amount and relegation to the foot of the pyramid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 If this was Hearts I would be worried sick, particulary as we would deserve everything that was thrown at us. Financially it would finish us. I wish this had never happened but it was clearly rife and they deserve everyting coming to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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