Morgan Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, Thomaso said: until we nail down promotion we play our strongest team. Once we win the league we can give squad players a chance. That’s the one! 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One five Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, Thomaso said: Totally disagree! QoS are the form team and until we nail down promotion we play our strongest team. Once we win the league we can give squad players a chance. Totally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devorgilla Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Hoping ICT can improve their form, currently second bottom and the games in hand they had have not helped them much, if at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 It’s over, chaps. It has been for a few weeks now. This wee league that we were unfairly forced to compete in, has been won. It’s now just a short matter of time until it’s ‘officially’ confirmed. 😍😍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 45 minutes ago, Thomaso said: Totally disagree! QoS are the form team and until we nail down promotion we play our strongest team. Once we win the league we can give squad players a chance. i think they will fall away looks like the rangers players n loan may be getting a ban due to the big hoose party a couple of weeks ago SFA have sanctioned five of the players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niemi’s gloves Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, **** the SPFL said: i think they will fall away looks like the rangers players n loan may be getting a ban due to the big hoose party a couple of weeks ago SFA have sanctioned five of the players Affects Mebude but not either of the other 2 on loan at QoS who weren’t involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo92 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Counting our goal difference its pretty much an extra point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Beginning to think we may already have enough points. This is as it always is, an incredibly tight League. Don't take any real joy we've smashed it apart twice, however its a battle ground for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Quite surprised a challenge never materialised but I'll take it. A clear out of sorts still needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart500 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, Niemi’s gloves said: Affects Mebude but not either of the other 2 on loan at QoS who weren’t involved. Queens have been on a tremendous run to be fair but most of it down to Mebude and Jones. Their pace up front has caused everyone trouble. Jones is now injured with bad hamstring pull and Mebude looks to be getting a long suspension. I think they will fade as the season progresses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 I have worked out what second place got in the Championship with 27 games in previous seasons (did it working out 75% of their total apart from last season where 2nd place only played 27 games 19/20 - Inverness 45pts 18/19 - Dundee Utd 49 pts 17/18 - Livingston 47 pts 16/17 - Falkirk 45 pts 15/16 - Falkirk 53 pts 14/15 - Hibs 53 pts 13/14 - Hamilton 50 pts 12/13 - Morton 50 pts Would say that it appears that based on those point totals, 4 wins at the very most is needed in our last 8 games and we would be higher than any of those seasons. 1 win and we match the smallest amount. Also the years with 2nd place have a much high points total, the difference through the table of points from 2nd down is much greater. So it appears the closer the league is then the smaller the points 2nd place gets (which helps us at the moment with 8 points between 2nd and 9th. Also noticed we have the exact same PPG (2.11) as Dundee United had at the end of last season. Raith Rovers currently have a slight worse PPG (1.64) at the moment than Inverness had last season after 27 games (1.67) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: I have worked out what second place got in the Championship with 27 games in previous seasons (did it working out 75% of their total apart from last season where 2nd place only played 27 games 19/20 - Inverness 45pts 18/19 - Dundee Utd 49 pts 17/18 - Livingston 47 pts 16/17 - Falkirk 45 pts 15/16 - Falkirk 53 pts 14/15 - Hibs 53 pts 13/14 - Hamilton 50 pts 12/13 - Morton 50 pts Would say that it appears that based on those point totals, 4 wins at the very most is needed in our last 8 games and we would be higher than any of those seasons. 1 win and we match the smallest amount. Also the years with 2nd place have a much high points total, the difference through the table of points from 2nd down is much greater. So it appears the closer the league is then the smaller the points 2nd place gets (which helps us at the moment with 8 points between 2nd and 9th. Also noticed we have the exact same PPG (2.11) as Dundee United had at the end of last season. Raith Rovers currently have a slight worse PPG (1.64) at the moment than Inverness had last season after 27 games (1.67) Our PPG is 2.21 rather than 2.11. Win on Saturday and we'll have the same PPG as Rangers when they won it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 9 hours ago, Niemi’s gloves said: Affects Mebude but not either of the other 2 on loan at QoS who weren’t involved. Cheers 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAndy Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Some derisory comments on here about the competition in this league. No team has our level of consistency but there are no mugs. The results are unpredictable most weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkishcap Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Steel hat on here I want out of league as much as anyone on here but I dont think the league is as bad as many make out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Ramsay Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 I'm a pretty pessimistic guy but it's over. These teams below us are just too pish to do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 24 minutes ago, Turkishcap said: Steel hat on here I want out of league as much as anyone on here but I dont think the league is as bad as many make out. No steel hat required imo. I've always said that the coaching, management and attitude of the players in this league is a high standard. We still need two leagues but there's three or four clubs in the Championship who could compete in the Premiership, at least the bottom half of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 It is over the only potential threat was if Raith managed to go on a maisy and get it back to 6 points. Ain’t happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mre Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Turkishcap said: Steel hat on here I want out of league as much as anyone on here but I dont think the league is as bad as many make out. I agree. I think most of the championship sides are at least on a par with bottom 6 Premier teams. That's why we should go ahead with a 20 team top division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamorgan Jambo Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, upgotheheads said: No steel hat required imo. I've always said that the coaching, management and attitude of the players in this league is a high standard. We still need two leagues but there's three or four clubs in the Championship who could compete in the Premiership, at least the bottom half of it. Sums it up for me. Especially the coaches and managers in our league are no mugs at all and know how to set their teams up. Every team has been dogged by consistency issues. With 20:20 hindsight the delayed start to the season was a huge mistake. Maybe a shortened campaign would still have been needed but starting by early September, taking a decent break after the New Year and starting again mid - late February would have been far better for dealing with postponements etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_steve Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Gordon Ramsay said: I'm a pretty pessimistic guy but it's over. These teams below us are just too pish to do anything. True .... But we're just as pish ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 22 minutes ago, mre said: I agree. I think most of the championship sides are at least on a par with bottom 6 Premier teams. That's why we should go ahead with a 20 team top division. Yeah, I'd go along with that... there's only 8 points covering position 2 to position 9. The prem should be 16/18/20 all day long! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Caine Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, hmfc_steve said: True .... But we're just as pish ? Erm...14 points less pish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_steve Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Horatio Caine said: Erm...14 points less pish? Again ... True ... All to do with levels of pishieness 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 20 minutes ago, hmfc_steve said: True .... But we're just as pish ? Given we are clearly ahead of them then I think it’s fair to surmise we are not as pish as them. 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Barack said: Pish is subjective. And wet. what a pish post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said: Yeah, I'd go along with that... there's only 8 points covering position 2 to position 9. The prem should be 16/18/20 all day long! Everything revolves around rangers and Celtic: 4 derbies and every diddy team wants them at their ground at least 3 times as Doncaster gets sponsorship from a local fudge packing operation in Hill o Beath Edited March 10, 2021 by Riccarton3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 12 hours ago, **** the SPFL said: i think they will fall away looks like the rangers players n loan may be getting a ban due to the big hoose party a couple of weeks ago SFA have sanctioned five of the players They’ve taken long enough to get this far, probably be a few more weeks because Patterson is their only fit RB at the moment so it wouldn’t be a shock for it to be after they play their bigoted pals, if it goes ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said: Everything revolves around rangers and Celtic: 4 derbies and every diddy team wants them at their ground at least 3 times as Doncaster gets sponsorship from a local fudge packing operation in Hill o Beath Oh yeah... I get that. It's the way it is, by design. The uglies get their hugely uneven playing field tilting in their favour... whilst the others are kept in line offering up their OF begging bowls. Absolutely pathetic. I wonder if it ever crosses these 'diddy teams' minds, that if ours was a competitive league - their grounds would be filled most weeks... not just against the OF? If we had a decent TV package and league sponsor (sourced by a competent ceo)... they may not be as reliant on the OF pound. I keep saying it, the best move Scottish Football could make, would be to tell SKY to GTF with their 4 uglies derbies, share TV monies evenly and reconstruct the league... so everyone is starting from a level playing field. To put it plainly... the OF need everyone else more that we need them. Fact. And the sooner they all wake up and realise this, the quicker we can put an end to the tail wagging the dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectormasson Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 2 hours ago, jonesy said: The worst thing about winning the league by a decent margin would be complacency from the management and bean counters about the strength of the squad. Surely to f....k there won't be any complacency from those in management ? If they can't see how many players we need to do the business in spl, they shouldn't be at the club, here's hoping we get cash to get some new quality in, as its going to be needed big time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, mre said: I agree. I think most of the championship sides are at least on a par with bottom 6 Premier teams. That's why we should go ahead with a 20 team top division. I think 18 teams would be perfect. Like the Portuguese, Dutch & Germans. I believe its perfectly affordable for us to do, but would require a clear strategy from the SPFL about supporting the 2nd string teams in the top flight and clubs to adopt a stronger youth emphasis - i.e to attract interest in Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen from the neutral watching on TV. Celtic, Rangers, Hearts, Aberdeen & Hibs should be a real draw for the TV, sadly its been done in such a way that the entire focus is on Rangers and Celtic irrespective of whatever the others are doing. When you look at Portugal, they really just have the big 3 in the same way our league is just the OF. The Dutch just have Feyenoord and Ajax. So its not a unique issue facing leagues but for some reason its been allowed to dictate our negotiating position. I mean, do you think for a minute Portugal would agree to a 12 team league? Ridiculous proposition. *I'm not saying it in the way that Portugal only has 3 teams, I mean that the others are dismissed as league contenders by neutrals from the outset/ they lack international profile. I just hope things can come to a head sooner rather than later with the ridiculous voting system hamstringing any meaningful change. My view is Premier league of 18, then Championship of 10/12 then regional leagues below with play offs into the Championship. Our country isn't big enough to justify so many leagues and so many semi pro teams having an equal voice to professional clubs. Its wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 54 minutes ago, OTT said: I think 18 teams would be perfect. Like the Portuguese, Dutch & Germans. I believe its perfectly affordable for us to do, but would require a clear strategy from the SPFL about supporting the 2nd string teams in the top flight and clubs to adopt a stronger youth emphasis - i.e to attract interest in Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen from the neutral watching on TV. Celtic, Rangers, Hearts, Aberdeen & Hibs should be a real draw for the TV, sadly its been done in such a way that the entire focus is on Rangers and Celtic irrespective of whatever the others are doing. When you look at Portugal, they really just have the big 3 in the same way our league is just the OF. The Dutch just have Feyenoord and Ajax. So its not a unique issue facing leagues but for some reason its been allowed to dictate our negotiating position. I mean, do you think for a minute Portugal would agree to a 12 team league? Ridiculous proposition. *I'm not saying it in the way that Portugal only has 3 teams, I mean that the others are dismissed as league contenders by neutrals from the outset/ they lack international profile. I just hope things can come to a head sooner rather than later with the ridiculous voting system hamstringing any meaningful change. My view is Premier league of 18, then Championship of 10/12 then regional leagues below with play offs into the Championship. Our country isn't big enough to justify so many leagues and so many semi pro teams having an equal voice to professional clubs. Its wrong. 18 team set up would be excellent. Unfortunately the spfl and certain clubs seem determined to find problems rather than solutions and everything leans to maintaining the status quo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaShango Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 We will win the league in the next 3 or 4 games I reckon but surely we need some overhaul of the league structure in the country. I don't know what the answer is but there are so many teams that are nothing more than glorified amateur teams playing in front of empty stadiums each week. I know they have a core fan base but there is far too many 'professional' teams in this country and we need to slim it down a little. Everything revolves around two teams and there are so many of the smaller teams who are happy to just pick up their scraps. The entire thing needs freshened up and has for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaShango Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Another point I don't think the league is as bad as people make out. Some of the teams are tough to play against especially away from home where we have seen weather conditions and pitches narrow the gap in terms of quality. We need to improve but I have some sympathy with the players and management, it can't be easy to play week in week out in front of no fans to drive you on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Hope Raith don't get play off spot after there crap last summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 17 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Hope Raith don't get play off spot after there crap last summer Dunno, make the play offs and getting beat ala hibs style would be fine,, but Tbh any club would do now in regards to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 31 minutes ago, PapaShango said: Another point I don't think the league is as bad as people make out. Some of the teams are tough to play against especially away from home where we have seen weather conditions and pitches narrow the gap in terms of quality. We need to improve but I have some sympathy with the players and management, it can't be easy to play week in week out in front of no fans to drive you on. It's definitely not as bad as some make out, many of the brains trust call it a pub league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherbet Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 3 hours ago, GinRummy said: 18 team set up would be excellent. Unfortunately the spfl and certain clubs seem determined to find problems rather than solutions and everything leans to maintaining the status quo. If you remember the old 18 team league dont think you would want it back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Just now, Sherbet said: If you remember the old 18 team league dont think you would want it back I remember it, and I agree. The only sad part of its demise was that the previously unimaginable Hearts relegation became a reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Sherbet said: If you remember the old 18 team league dont think you would want it back It can’t be better than playing the same sides 3-4 times a season surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, GinRummy said: It can’t be better than playing the same sides 3-4 times a season surely? The McLeish report suggests that a 10 team top division is the most profitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourcandles Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 The looks like Alloa will drop out of this league, when you look at the rest of the teams above them whoever comes down, Dross county, Hamilton or Kilmarnock will not have a easy time trying to get back up again. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Smith's right boot said: It's definitely not as bad as some make out, many of the brains trust call it a pub league. These are the same people who bang on about an eighteen team top league. They forget they would need six teams from the 'pub league' to achieve their desire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Fourcandles said: The looks like Alloa will drop out of this league, when you look at the rest of the teams above them whoever comes down, Dross county, Hamilton or Kilmarnock will not have a easy time trying to get back up again. . Although we shouldn’t be here, many teams have struggled, utd, Hibs and rangers, then look at the likes of Falkirk and Partick at the other end of the scale and to a lesser extent Dundee and Dunfermline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: Dunno, make the play offs and getting beat ala hibs style would be fine,, but Tbh any club would do now in regards to that. Want ross county and Hamilton to go down so would take Dunfermline in play off to beat one of them and also bonus to see looks like Alloa going down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 If you like stats have a read. Maybe Barry has a point, that next season, possession based football will suit the Premiership more than the Championship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, OmiyaHearts said: If you like stats have a read. Maybe Barry has a point, that next season, possession based football will suit the Premiership more than the Championship? Have said this many times, if Neilson was anyone else (ie not someone some people seem to think is Levein's lovechild) fans would be praising him as a new manager settling in and doing what needs to be done this season, with a bonus derby win and creditable cup final performance thrown in. The high scoring results wins would be celebrated, the draws would be tolerated and the odd defeat would be considered inevitable over the course of a season. We'd all be saying "It's going well, but we could play better and need strengthening in defence, etc. Let's see what he can do after summer with fans back, things back to normal and against teams that don't park the bus." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Munro Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 34 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Have said this many times, if Neilson was anyone else (ie not someone some people seem to think is Levein's lovechild) fans would be praising him as a new manager settling in and doing what needs to be done this season, with a bonus derby win and creditable cup final performance thrown in. The high scoring results wins would be celebrated, the draws would be tolerated and the odd defeat would be considered inevitable over the course of a season. We'd all be saying "It's going well, but we could play better and need strengthening in defence, etc. Let's see what he can do after summer with fans back, things back to normal and against teams that don't park the bus." I agree with this. Look at Anderson's stats for Hibs, in their third attempt to get out of this league. Robbie is also a victim of his own success the first time. Things would be a lot easier for us if we only won the championship by a point or two last time out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, ToqueJambo said: Have said this many times, if Neilson was anyone else (ie not someone some people seem to think is Levein's lovechild) fans would be praising him as a new manager settling in and doing what needs to be done this season, with a bonus derby win and creditable cup final performance thrown in. The high scoring results wins would be celebrated, the draws would be tolerated and the odd defeat would be considered inevitable over the course of a season. We'd all be saying "It's going well, but we could play better and need strengthening in defence, etc. Let's see what he can do after summer with fans back, things back to normal and against teams that don't park the bus." Kind of yes and no mate. So many factors. My concern, and I posted this a week or two ago, is that I actually disagree with Anderson here. Stats is stats but saying the teams with more possession win more in the Prem. Well.... Yeah! The OF skew those stats for a start and of course Aberdeen and Hibs tends to have more possession than Ross Co and Hamilton. The truth is half or more teams in the Prem play very similarly to what we're up against just now. Solid shape, pace or size up front, good at digging in and frustrating. In my opinion we don't really have the right mentality or tactics to deal with that. Yet! We may well be working on that. McEneff, Gnando and GMS all early in their time with us and look astute signings for that purpose on paper at least. We need to play with far FAR more purpose and speed. More aggression and ruthlessness in every part of our game is required. Again, mitigating factors here. The fact it probably feels somewhat done n dusted to the players, how weird lives are at present and those factors added to no fans perhaps all add up to players playing at 90 rather than 100%. That's not a conscious thing, it's life. We don't know any of this stuff. I do have concerns but Robbie has talked about wanting to build an attacking team, let's support him and hope! Edited March 11, 2021 by TheBigO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarhead Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 14 hours ago, jr ewing said: The McLeish report suggests that a 10 team top division is the most profitable. I wasn’t a fan of the repetitive nature of the 10 team league but, like the league we are presently in, it was incredibly competitive. The 10 team league gave us our last non OF winner and was also a period of “success “ for the national team and clubs playing in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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