Tazio Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Footballfirst said: Not really. Other than necessity because of punctures or changing weather conditions, how many drivers change their tyres during the last 10 laps for any other reason than an attempt to set the fastest lap. Punctures and safety reasons. Also race tactics are constantly fluid during a race as you try to combat your rival teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 24 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: I think that the rules around setting the fastest lap need tightened up to stop the nonsense of only switching onto new tyres to gain a point in the last lap or two. Just set a rule that the fastest lap cannot be set by anyone who has changed their tyres within the last 10 laps of the race or specific distance. That would make the fastest lap more of an equal challenge for all drivers in race conditions, rather than default to a driver that has a pit stop in hand and can put of the softest tyre for a "qualifying" type lap. Just scrap the point for fastest lap.........problem solved there and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Just scrap the point for fastest lap.........problem solved there and then. I wouldn't disagree with that approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Just scrap the point for fastest lap.........problem solved there and then. Indeed. Or start giving points for nicest overtake, most colourful helmet, fastest pit stop etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 On 20/11/2021 at 20:46, Taffin said: They've got themselves into more of a pickle with Checo down in 11th. I reckon they might get him to push all out on his soft tyres to try and stay in the pit window of Lewis and then put him on the hard tyre early before then trying an undercut with Max. That said think they'll be hard pushed to do anything as I can see Max being too far back come the pit stops for it to work given his speed deficit. They'll probably do something totally different and much smarter and I'll be proven to know very little about race strategies 😂😂 Had to watch the highlights as was unable to watch live yesterday. My above suggestion was immediately flawed after the grid penalties and further more...I'd made the mistake of assuming Checo's fastest time was set on his soft tyres rather than the medium. Didn't seem the most interesting race but the results make the driver and constructor championships even closer. What a finish to the season it's going to be! Poor Valtteri, he has always has such unfortunate luck/strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 8 hours ago, Taffin said: Had to watch the highlights as was unable to watch live yesterday. My above suggestion was immediately flawed after the grid penalties and further more...I'd made the mistake of assuming Checo's fastest time was set on his soft tyres rather than the medium. Didn't seem the most interesting race but the results make the driver and constructor championships even closer. What a finish to the season it's going to be! Poor Valtteri, he has always has such unfortunate luck/strategy. Had he stopped for hard tyres between laps 25-30, I'm pretty confident he'd have ended up in third. What were they thinking to take him to lap 32? I could see no benefit at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Sir Frank Williams has passed away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Hamilton on pole. Verstappen 3rd after crashing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 It is believed Verstappen was heading for pole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Come on Lewis!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Red Bull running a calculated risk by not replacing Verstappen's gearbox. That's gone badly wrong for others before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Interesting track. No margin for error. http://www.hesgoal.com/news/93166/Formula_1_GP_Saudi_Arabia_---_ENG.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Interesting track. No margin for error. http://www.hesgoal.com/news/93166/Formula_1_GP_Saudi_Arabia_---_ENG.html I liked seeing Alan Jones' #27 going round the track with Damon Hill at the wheel. Takes me back to my Scalextric days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 (edited) 1st crash and safety car. Interesting race now. Edited December 5, 2021 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: 1st crash and safety car. red flagged now, advantage red bull as they can now change the tyres on MV car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, milky_26 said: red flagged now, advantage red bull as they can now change the tyres on MV car I don't see why they had to red flag it. Just remove the fecking car and get on with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Just now, redjambo said: I don't see why they had to red flag it. Just remove the fecking car and get on with it! its to repair the barrier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 also bottas should be getting a penalty for overslowing under the safety car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, milky_26 said: its to repair the barrier It's well away from the track though - they could have done it under a yellow. If not, it should be redesigned so they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Good drama certainly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 A bit of paranoia from Hamilton there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Dave Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Tazio said: A bit of paranoia from Hamilton there. Not a Hamilton fan but they shouldn’t be allowed to change tyres in a situation like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, redjambo said: It's well away from the track though - they could have done it under a yellow. If not, it should be redesigned so they can. they have just said one of the barriers is punctured and they need a crane to be able to move it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, milky_26 said: they have just said one of the barriers is punctured and they need a crane to be able to move it I've seen cranes moving cars and bits of barrier before under yellows. It's a classic place on the track for someone to go off - there should have been a moveable crane behind the wall to allow repairs to it during the race. Really crap design. I just hate to see a race red flagged for stuff like this. It makes the race more of a lottery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Disco Dave said: Not a Hamilton fan but they shouldn’t be allowed to change tyres in a situation like this. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 No repair required to the barrier. Pointless red flag. Any inspection could have been done under the safety car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 (edited) Chaos once again. Not a suitable track for the speed of the cars Edited December 5, 2021 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Could be a long night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, Disco Dave said: Not a Hamilton fan but they shouldn’t be allowed to change tyres in a situation like this. **** off Dave. Mon Max! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 another red flag, will MV have to give back a spot. both LH and MV being children moaning about practice starts and gaps between cars behind safety car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 I don't think I like this track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, I P Knightley said: I don't think I like this track. It's not having a good race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, I P Knightley said: I don't think I like this track. that accident with mazepin shows the dangers of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 (edited) stewards demoting MV behind hamilton, well asking if red bull are happy with that. edit, it is the race director not the stewards, if red bull dont accept it will be refered to stewards. edit again red bull accept it Edited December 5, 2021 by milky_26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Great drama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 It was very good start by Hamilton. But again questions about the extent to which the tyres are deciding a lot of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 It's not down to racing anymore, it's politics at play. The whole thing is a farce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Hamilton starts 2nd in front of Verstappen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Just now, Malinga the Swinga said: It's not down to racing anymore, it's politics at play. The whole thing is a farce. I think it's more that fundamentally because the cars are so complicated teams don't accept their opponents are running fair. That creates all the animosity and then fighting for every small advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 jeez, that onboard with mazepin. basically no chance to react to basically a stationary car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Any chance of a sweep on the number of cars that will still be running at the end of the race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Just now, Footballfirst said: Any chance of a sweep on the number of cars that will still be running at the end of the race? Or how long it will be until the Hamilton/Verstappen collision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: I think it's more that fundamentally because the cars are so complicated teams don't accept their opponents are running fair. That creates all the animosity and then fighting for every small advantage. Stewards and F1 run scared of Lewis and his team. Mercedes had it their own way for so long, they can't accept they have rivals. Hamilton and Verstappen may win untold races but they aren't half the men Senna, Prost, Lauda and Schumacher were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 another standing start, will there be another red flag? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 It is a bit ridiculous that Masi is offering the teams deals. Not a great precedent to set. He's losing the plot a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Stewards and F1 run scared of Lewis and his team. Mercedes had it their own way for so long, they can't accept they have rivals. Hamilton and Verstappen may win untold races but they aren't half the men Senna, Prost, Lauda and Schumacher were. Red Bull have had a decent number of decisions in their favour this season. Verstappen and Red Bull did well to accept that offer as stewards may have issued worse penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Yasssss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Nicely done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Off they go again and Hamilton drops to 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 It's like watching a boxing match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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