scottg71 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: No , you tell me. You are the man with a plan. How will we finance the club for the next 2 years if Budge goes? That’s my concern. Idiots cancelling DD’s demanding Budge goes. And if she takes her benefactors with her? What state would we be in then? Its exaggerated at the moment as we can’t get into the ground and make our voices be heard so looking for ways to make our point. I get that. It’s one sorry mess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 28 minutes ago, scottg71 said: That’s my concern. Idiots cancelling DD’s demanding Budge goes. And if she takes her benefactors with her? What state would we be in then? Its exaggerated at the moment as we can’t get into the ground and make our voices be heard so looking for ways to make our point. I get that. It’s one sorry mess Exactly - anybody cancelling their direct debit needs to have a good long think to themselves the hobo trolls can GTF they are an irrelevance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Couldn't bring myself to cancel so have reduced to £10 as a protest. I'll save the rest till there is change then add it back in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 37 minutes ago, scottg71 said: That’s my concern. Idiots cancelling DD’s demanding Budge goes. And if she takes her benefactors with her? What state would we be in then? Its exaggerated at the moment as we can’t get into the ground and make our voices be heard so looking for ways to make our point. I get that. It’s one sorry mess Budges benefactors and FoH money have funded a decline that has seen us in the Championship and papped out the two cup competitions by players who all have day jobs. I’m not saying that the time is right to change her because I don’t know what happens next if she goes BUT there has to come a time when we, as a group of fans, decide we’d be better off without her and make do with less money. It doesn’t look to me like our decline is stopping any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 44 minutes ago, scottg71 said: That’s my concern. Idiots cancelling DD’s demanding Budge goes. And if she takes her benefactors with her? What state would we be in then? Its exaggerated at the moment as we can’t get into the ground and make our voices be heard so looking for ways to make our point. I get that. It’s one sorry mess If the clubs cant wipe its own nose financially without the extra from foh members and benefactors then serious questions need asked over why budge has allowed us to get into this state. Time to cut our cloth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoPo Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said: If the clubs cant wipe its own nose financially without the extra from foh members and benefactors then serious questions need asked over why budge has allowed us to get into this state. Time to cut our cloth. Exactly. Yeah we will really miss Ann and her benefactors. They've brought so much success our way.....I mean how else would we have been humiliated in front of the whole nation without them..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just now, ScoPo said: Exactly. Yeah we will really miss Ann and her benefactors. They've brought so much success our way.....I mean how else would we have been humiliated in front of the whole nation without them..... Correct mate. Overpaid, over privileged wankers on the park who to a man dont take any pride in the shirt they wear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wrinkly Ninja Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: No , you tell me. You are the man with a plan. How will we finance the club for the next 2 years if Budge goes? Yesterday you were saying that we can't afford to sack Neilson. Has Budge's finance dried up? Tell us how much she puts into the club each year to finance her own mistakes? How much will extra finance will be required if Budge goes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, scottg71 said: That’s my concern. Idiots cancelling DD’s demanding Budge goes. And if she takes her benefactors with her? What state would we be in then? Its exaggerated at the moment as we can’t get into the ground and make our voices be heard so looking for ways to make our point. I get that. It’s one sorry mess Said this on another thread, does James Anderson support Hearts or does he support Budge? He is happy to throw money around Scottish football out of community spirit but would turn his back on Hearts if Budge were to leave? If Anderson’s involvement in Hearts is solely dependent on Budge being here then I think that needs clarified because he holds an awful lot of power over us for someone without an official role at the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: No , you tell me. You are the man with a plan. How will we finance the club for the next 2 years if Budge goes? Ann can turn this around today by relieving Robbie of his duties and letting the football people in the club deal with the process of finding a new manager. No other plan is really required here. She can take the easy and wisest option or she can take the road that leads to her being too scared to sit in the stand with her name on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanmac Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 As someone who has paid in since the beginning,last night 'I took a long hard look at myself ' and decided to cancel my Dd.it will be reinstated when I believe our club is being run probably.4 years of below par signings and ridicules contracts being given to a bunch of nobody's has to stop.I don't mind Mrs Budge but unfortunately it's been shown that she can't run the football side of the club.Enough is enough.If 90% of the fan base can see that we have a problem I'm pretty sure our benefactors can see the same thing. ever had the feeling maybe their worried as well?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, clanmac said: As someone who has paid in since the beginning,last night 'I took a long hard look at myself ' and decided to cancel my Dd.it will be reinstated when I believe our club is being run probably.4 years of below par signings and ridicules contracts being given to a bunch of nobody's has to stop.I don't mind Mrs Budge but unfortunately it's been shown that she can't run the football side of the club.Enough is enough.If 90% of the fan base can see that we have a problem I'm pretty sure our benefactors can see the same thing. ever had the feeling maybe their worried as well?. It's the only way they'll take action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottg71 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: Ann can turn this around today by relieving Robbie of his duties and letting the football people in the club deal with the process of finding a new manager. No other plan is really required here. She can take the easy and wisest option or she can take the road that leads to her being too scared to sit in the stand with her name on it. Agreed. Robbie’s lost the support. No way back. Let Savage and JJ recruit a new manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD88 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Will keep donating. But won't be renewing ST until Neilson is gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Definitely not cancelling. The current regime may be rotten but I want the club to be around for my grandchildren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanmac Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 I never thought I'd ever have to cancel but I've reached a point, hopefully I can reinstate very soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Why do people think the club won't be around if they cancel their DD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just now, Rick Sanchez said: Why do people think the club won't be around if they cancel their DD? This is a question I'd really like people to answer. I'm completely baffled by it. Hearts have the third biggest fanbase in Scotland. How the **** do folk think all the other clubs survive?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 7 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said: No need for names, but what is the general point ? Supporting the regime or wanting change ? Silly views about people who are cancelling their DDs. Not at all in line with the understanding email they sent out to members who had emailed in to express their feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Ramsay Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, Rick Sanchez said: Why do people think the club won't be around if they cancel their DD? 15 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said: This is a question I'd really like people to answer. I'm completely baffled by it. Hearts have the third biggest fanbase in Scotland. How the **** do folk think all the other clubs survive?! Exactly 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mre Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 53 minutes ago, OldGorgie said: Definitely not cancelling. The current regime may be rotten but I want the club to be around for my grandchildren. I thpought the contributions were there to give us a financial advantage to allow us to compete at a higher level than we could normally expect. Not to simply ensure the club survived... Seems to be going quite well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighTimes Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 3 hours ago, scottg71 said: That’s my concern. Idiots cancelling DD’s demanding Budge goes. And if she takes her benefactors with her? What state would we be in then? Its exaggerated at the moment as we can’t get into the ground and make our voices be heard so looking for ways to make our point. I get that. It’s one sorry mess It's a hell of a mess if we're in this state with fan money added to the usual money coming in. Hard to think of a bigger condemnation of Budge's time in charge - I thought the whole (alleged) point was that she was good at the business side and had us now on a sound financial footing, just shit at the football one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, OldGorgie said: Definitely not cancelling. The current regime may be rotten but I want the club to be around for my grandchildren. Just depends on how low we can go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, scottg71 said: That’s my concern. Idiots cancelling DD’s demanding Budge goes. And if she takes her benefactors with her? What state would we be in then? Its exaggerated at the moment as we can’t get into the ground and make our voices be heard so looking for ways to make our point. I get that. It’s one sorry mess Are they her benefactors, not the club's? From what you're saying, like the Romanov era, Hearts have become dependent on the generosity of one man to stay afloat. I thought the beauty of FOH was that we'd never let ourselves get into that situation again, but less than a decade later that's exactly what's happened, and the FOH have stood by and done nothing. It would be daft to turn down gifts from benefactors, but the fact that we now rely on them to keep the lights on doesn't suggest Budge is the business guru many seem to believe. Edited March 28, 2021 by fancy a brew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMR123 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 6 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said: Maybe withdraw but save the cash and donate in full later - many are. We're all facing our own demons on this . That is exactly where I am and have emailed Stuart Wallace to tell him so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, scottg71 said: Agreed. Robbie’s lost the support. No way back. Let Savage and JJ recruit a new manager Robbie never had my support from the start. His money spinner shite put paid to him having my support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 8 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: Aye and it will be planned. Have you also followed the news regarding Covid and no crowds and how every club is in a bit shit. If Budge leaves, who is paying her money owed and funding any covid related gap this financial year? Not to mention sacking the current mgt team , funding a new one, giving them funds and ensuring we get a team that is what.. top 6, top 4, 3rd next season. Who is doing this? The same people who built the stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just now, iainmac said: The same people who funded building the stand and funded the saving of the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Black Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 People are questioning if James Anderson donates money due to his allegiance to Hearts or Ann Budge. That's is something that would be good to know, but if his allegiance is to the club, he may well put in more money than at present if he is of the opinion it may be more wisely used and not peed up a wall, like our FOH contributions. He did say this summer he would back the club for the next 5 years and I don't think there was a caveat saying on the condition Ann Budge would still be in control. She won't be FOH will be . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Black Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 11 hours ago, iainmac said: Quicker going straight to rewards@ who will actually do the cancelling but let @info know as well. Cancelled, thanks for advice Iain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Sooperstar said: Silly views about people who are cancelling their DDs. Not at all in line with the understanding email they sent out to members who had emailed in to express their feelings. Interesting. Hopefully they'll be getting some more food for thought after yesterday's shambles. If they think the support are going to tolerate any more of their money being flushed down the toilet on poor managerial appointments & crap players they can think again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bean counter Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 We will win the league. The games in hand are Dunfermline v Dundee and Raith V Dunfermline. If Dunfermline win them both they will still be 10 points behind us with five games to play, one against us. That would mean Raith & Dundee are 13 points behind us with five games to play, we also play Raith. The performances have not be acceptable and if we go up with this squad and management team we will probably struggle to stay up I will buy a season ticket again next year and I will not be cancelling my DD to FOH not because I'm any sort of uberfan or I'm happy with the situation we find ourselves in. Whilst it may make people feel better because they are doing something I just don't understand how cutting the money available for next season will help attract a new manager or get new players. I may well be in the minority but thats how I see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 7 hours ago, OTT said: Yeah, I think this will be what I do. Its a totally shit position for the FOH board to put us in. Had they stood firm publicly against the club in calling for Neilsons head then I think this landslide of cancellations wouldn't be happening right now. If Stuart Wallace steps down, or there is some sort of change in any of the directors, I badly want Leslie Deans to put his name forward. We need someone who will call a spade a spade in that boardroom because currently its not happening. A strong fans voice has been badly lacking evidently and a change in personnel is probably needed to freshen things up and stop this feeling of apparent comfort with the status quo. And btw, I do respect the job Stuarts done. Irrespective of where we are, having the balls to put himself forward in the first place etc. is worthy of respect, especially by the lack of other names coming forward. Its a thankless task which is probably worth acknowledging. I agree in principle but it's more than just "having a voice" - it's well past time there was proper scrutiny & accountability for AB & her board. They have got away with murder and wasted millions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, bean counter said: We will win the league. The games in hand are Dunfermline v Dundee and Raith V Dunfermline. If Dunfermline win them both they will still be 10 points behind us with five games to play, one against us. That would mean Raith & Dundee are 13 points behind us with five games to play, we also play Raith. The performances have not be acceptable and if we go up with this squad and management team we will probably struggle to stay up I will buy a season ticket again next year and I will not be cancelling my DD to FOH not because I'm any sort of uberfan or I'm happy with the situation we find ourselves in. Whilst it may make people feel better because they are doing something I just don't understand how cutting the money available for next season will help attract a new manager or get new players. I may well be in the minority but thats how I see it Fair enough but ask yourself 2 questions. 1. Where has the money we've all pumped in so far got us on the pitch? 2. How else can we make this tone deaf Board listen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Black Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 7 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: No , you tell me. You are the man with a plan. How will we finance the club for the next 2 years if Budge goes? How do most other clubs finance themselves before, during and after the pandemic. Your argument seems to revolve around every club has a sugar daddy involved, whereas the opposite is the case. AB was asked about benefactor donations at the 2019 AGM in regards what would happen if the money stopped. Her answer was the club would have to cut its cloth accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just now, David Black said: How do most other clubs finance themselves before, during and after the pandemic. Your argument seems to revolve around every club has a sugar daddy involved, whereas the opposite is the case. AB was asked about benefactor donations at the 2019 AGM in regards what would happen if the money stopped. Her answer was the club would have to cut its cloth accordingly. I don't know. If the last line is true, how are we doing that but improving the the team next season and why is removing her better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bean counter Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, iainmac said: Fair enough but ask yourself 2 questions. 1. Where has the money we've all pumped in so far got us on the pitch? 2. How else can we make this tone deaf Board listen? 1 ) Most of it wasted on a wages structure that rewarded failure instead of success. I believe this thankfully has now changed 2) I'm not sure but the pandemic makes it more difficult because we are not there in person. I remember the protests against Archie Martin, then Wallace, then the pie man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Smith's right boot said: I don't know. If the last line is true, how are we doing that but improving the the team next season and why is removing her better? On the flip side, all these other clubs are doing better than us without benefactors. We will survive, and I do seriously question how we are in such a bad state with all this apparent money rolling in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 hours ago, iainmac said: The same people who built the stand. So the same people who built the stand are ensuring she's paid, we get a better manager, players and team for next season as well as ensuring any covid gap is filled? Is that the plan, sack her, point at the stand and say " I want that one". I'm not convinced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Swanny17 said: On the flip side, all these other clubs are doing better than us without benefactors. We will survive, and I do seriously question how we are in such a bad state with all this apparent money rolling in. Financially I'm not sure they are doing better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 4 hours ago, Nookie Bear said: Ann can turn this around today by relieving Robbie of his duties and letting the football people in the club deal with the process of finding a new manager. No other plan is really required here. She can take the easy and wisest option or she can take the road that leads to her being too scared to sit in the stand with her name on it. I agree. With first part. Scared to sit in the stand... Deary me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Smith's right boot said: So the same people who built the stand are ensuring she's paid, we get a better manager, players and team for next season as well as ensuring any covid gap is filled? Is that the plan, sack her, point at the stand and say " I want that one". I'm not convinced. Aye, because people are really trying to convince absolute time wasters like you! You'll find excuses for anything that happens at this club. 😂😂😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Black Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: I don't know. If the last line is true, how are we doing that but improving the the team next season and why is removing her better? The last line is true alright, I was there. We have never improved the team season on season since we gained promotion. We have in fact done the opposite. Maybe having a smaller budget would concentrate the minds more as to who we sign, for how long and for how much as opposed to the present scatter gun approach which has got us to where we are today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Financially I'm not sure they are doing better. I meant on the pitch 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris5115 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: So the same people who built the stand are ensuring she's paid, we get a better manager, players and team for next season as well as ensuring any covid gap is filled? Is that the plan, sack her, point at the stand and say " I want that one". I'm not convinced. She would have a brass neck asking for any monies owed to her given the total mess she has created over the last few years. We the fans had over monies without ever looking for refunds despite the shite we are being subjected to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, iainmac said: Aye, because people are really trying to convince absolute time wasters like you! You'll find excuses for anything that happens at this club. 😂😂😂😂😂 Still no answer, so a return to personal abuse. We'll done, at least the mask slipped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Sooperstar said: Silly views about people who are cancelling their DDs. Not at all in line with the understanding email they sent out to members who had emailed in to express their feelings. Let me guess does the opinion run along the lines of 'they are reactionary tossers' and 'we are entitled to this money'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, bean counter said: 1 ) Most of it wasted on a wages structure that rewarded failure instead of success. I believe this thankfully has now changed 2) I'm not sure but the pandemic makes it more difficult because we are not there in person. I remember the protests against Archie Martin, then Wallace, then the pie man The wage structure may have changed - to no avail - but the wasting of our money on absolute dross hasn't. We've still got a £9M wage bill that failed to beat Arbroath a village hall, and QoS at home all in the last week! We can't just keep pumping money in blindly supporting a regime that tolerates that level of incompetence. Well, I can't anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Boris5115 said: She would have a brass neck asking for any monies owed to her given the total mess she has created over the last few years. We the fans had over monies without ever looking for refunds despite the shite we are being subjected to. She'd have a brass neck to ask for the money owed to her......... Really? 👋 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Smith's right boot said: Still no answer, so a return to personal abuse. We'll done, at least the mask slipped. 😍😍😍😍😍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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