Des Lynam Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 They play some games at the Olympic stadium. I had assumed that had been knocked down. Learn something new everyday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister T Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 It's an odd one but who knows what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe they'll get a fantasy mcginnesque fee when he moves to Bayern. Then again maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D. Corners Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Mister T said: It's an odd one but who knows what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe they'll get a fantasy mcginnesque fee when he moves to Bayern. Then again maybe not. I doubt it as we only took the low training compensation fee and never negotiated any kinda sell on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I lived in Munich for a couple of years - great quality of life if a bit "safe". I wonder if he's gone there to deny us a development fee or in the hope of being scouted by Bayern? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 2 hours ago, hmfc_liam06 said: Can you clear this bit up Maple? You claim he's the lowest paid player at Hearts, presumably you're posting that as fact. But then you say he was on a grand a week based on comments on this thread. There's no way the lowest paid player at the club is on £1,000 per week. So my question is, is your post just made up pish? An informed poster earlier in the thread said that Irving was on £750 per week on his previous contract, and that was discounted to £495 per week (iirc) due to relegation. I said in my post that he was "one of the lowest paid" in the team. I don't know that as a fact, so it's speculation that £495 per week is one of the lowest paid on the team. The new contract the club offered was a raise from £750 per week to £1,000 per week, and the number was non-negotiable. By Irving leaving, the Club is saving £1,000 per week. Sorry if my wording caused confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said: An informed poster earlier in the thread said that Irving was on £750 per week on his previous contract, and that was discounted to £495 per week (iirc) due to relegation. I said in my post that he was "one of the lowest paid" in the team. I don't know that as a fact, so it's speculation that £495 per week is one of the lowest paid on the team. The new contract the club offered was a raise from £750 per week to £1,000 per week, and the number was non-negotiable. By Irving leaving, the Club is saving £1,000 per week. Sorry if my wording caused confusion. Surely they are saving £495 pw? That is cash, the £1k per week was just budgeted so is now available again in the budget for next season, but there is no Irving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Maple Leaf said: An informed poster earlier in the thread said that Irving was on £750 per week on his previous contract, and that was discounted to £495 per week (iirc) due to relegation. I said in my post that he was "one of the lowest paid" in the team. I don't know that as a fact, so it's speculation that £495 per week is one of the lowest paid on the team. The new contract the club offered was a raise from £750 per week to £1,000 per week, and the number was non-negotiable. By Irving leaving, the Club is saving £1,000 per week. Sorry if my wording caused confusion. If that’s true then maybe he wasn’t guaranteed playing time but he was looking for it - maybe he isn’t part of the master plan given the monetary offer that was proposed by the club Could be a number of things. I can’t remember who posted but an unconfirmed “ITK” said that he wasn’t happy with his playing role that was given to him when he played All subjective. It’s unfortunate but not all young players will make it. He had obvious potential but at the same time wasn’t consistent enough In my humble opinion. Will reserve judgement on this one but hope he does well with his new venture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Spellczech said: Surely they are saving £495 pw? That is cash, the £1k per week was just budgeted so is now available again in the budget for next season, but there is no Irving. Yes, it's next seasons salary we're talking about. If Irving had signed the new contract, the Club would have paid him £1,000 per week. Now they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) Taslad #2 moved to Rhineland to play with Eintracht U23. He had no problem with the football but could not manage the language as nobody spoke English. He returned to Scotland at end of season due to homesickness. Lots of Turkish based clubs around Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, etc. Edited June 23, 2021 by Tasavallan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambonian Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 3 Liga? So, they've jumped a division? (unless reconstruction). Great city to live in (not that i've ever been but know a few folk who have lived/worked there and they loved it) Good luck Andy, even though you're playing for.....Munichbeath essentially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamorgan Jambo Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 As I stated earlier it could be that much of the motivation for this move is related to the development fee and we’ll likely see his stint on the continent similar in length to Anthony McDonald’s 4 months in Cordoba. However that’s just cynical speculation on my part. The move could be the making of Andy as a person and as a footballer so wishing him the very best of luck and success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire_At_The_Disco Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Boy needs to learn that he wasn’t even the most famous Andy Irvine in Edinburgh imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tambo_The_Jambo said: Boy needs to learn that he wasn’t even the most famous Andy Irvine in Edinburgh imho To be fair he wasn’t any Irvine in Edinburgh. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire_At_The_Disco Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: To be fair he wasn’t any Irvine in Edinburgh. 😄 I know mate I know….was just satire on this depressing Wednesday after Scotland’s Tuesday exit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Tambo_The_Jambo said: I know mate I know….was just satire on this depressing Wednesday after Scotland’s Tuesday exit. 😄👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Tambo_The_Jambo said: Boy needs to learn that he wasn’t even the most famous Andy Irvine in Edinburgh imho Just a shame he went to Munich and not to the German capital. Irving Berlin would be a decent headline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 36 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Just a shame he went to Munich and not to the German capital. Irving Berlin would be a decent headline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 54 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Just a shame he went to Munich and not to the German capital. Irving Berlin would be a decent headline. They could have a picture of him tucking into a big burger - Irving Munchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Smithee said: They could have a picture of him tucking into a big burger - Irving Munchen haha 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 20 hours ago, Maple Leaf said: I can't help but wonder where things went wrong with Irving. He is a die-hard Jambo who has been in the Hearts organisation for 13 years. He has 40+ appearances for the first team, plus 4 appearances for Scotland youth teams. He was one of our lowest paid players, maybe even the lowest paid. He wanted to stay with Hearts, but now he's gone. What are we saving by Irving leaving? A whopping grand a week, based on comments in this thread. And what did we get in return for the 13 year investment in his career? Maybe a development fee, but no-one seems clear how much that will be or when we'll get it. Maybe we'll get nowt. It seems like a poor deal to me, but time will tell. Despite some appalling performances last year, Neilson's job is safe because he won the league. Fair enough, but Irving was a prominent member of the team that won the league, and was in the starting line-up for most of the season, so maybe he should have been cut a bit of slack. Maybe Irving has passed the peak of his career, as some on this thread are predicting. At 21 years of age, he has plenty of time to improve, so those predictions are premature, and we should have tried harder to keep him, imo. One thing I do know is that RN and Joe Savage have yet to prove their recruiting skills at HMFC, so no-one should assume that they've done the right thing here. Again, time will tell. Best wishes for a long and successful career, Andy. Hearts had nothing to do with any deal. Hearts offered X he said no. Any deal was made by him and his agent. Sounds like he may not have even said no. Just never got back to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilmuir Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 10 hours ago, davemclaren said: I’ve actually attended German third tier matches , though I would caveat that with the fact it was prior to the Bundesliga 3 so it was Regional Liga. It wasn’t as good as Scottish premier league and comprised a handful of bigger clubs ( I was watching Hannover 96 ) experiencing hard times with a lot of tiny clubs that even the 96 fans had never heard of. Me too and it was like being at an Edinburgh City match (no disrespect to City but their crowds are tiny). I’m still in shock that Irving chose this route but good luck to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bongo 1874 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, CJGJ said: 👍. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthomas Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Pilmuir said: Me too and it was like being at an Edinburgh City match (no disrespect to City but their crowds are tiny). I’m still in shock that Irving chose this route but good luck to him. Bit of a mystery but players have come to smallish Scottish clubs hoping to move to England Maybe gets noticed in Germany and moves upwards Think he has talent . Hope he does well Great way to earn a living Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Outwith Celtic and Rangers who actually tries to play football in our league, reality is until we change our mentality and bring in a coach that can improve players, and brings a style of play the team/ players buy into. Well unfortunately we will lose the likes of Hickey for a small fee with Celtic getting a cut, or losing academy players because we aren't prepared to pay them more or as good as, players that are currently sitting on there ass doing plums, why should Andy show loyalty to us, football is a short career, anyone saying he isn't worth giving a deal that he merits, is just damn right in denial, and won't hear one bad word said about the club. Same will happen with the current one's coming through, who believe me are very talented, but as soon as we lose a few games we will revert back to what we are. I just angers me so much that Doig is being valued at £5mil, is prepared to sign a new deal so it gets his club a good fee if someone signs him. Yet we can't get our players to sign a new deal, why is that well i suppose you would need, to speak to the players and ask them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said: Outwith Celtic and Rangers who actually tries to play football in our league, reality is until we change our mentality and bring in a coach that can improve players, and brings a style of play the team/ players buy into. Well unfortunately we will lose the likes of Hickey for a small fee with Celtic getting a cut, or losing academy players because we aren't prepared to pay them more or as good as, players that are currently sitting on there ass doing plums, why should Andy show loyalty to us, football is a short career, anyone saying he isn't worth giving a deal that he merits, is just damn right in denial, and won't hear one bad word said about the club. Same will happen with the current one's coming through, who believe me are very talented, but as soon as we lose a few games we will revert back to what we are. I just angers me so much that Doig is being valued at £5mil, is prepared to sign a new deal so it gets his club a good fee if someone signs him. Yet we can't get our players to sign a new deal, why is that well i suppose you would need, to speak to the players and ask them. Who is valuing Doig at £5m? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthomas Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Who is valuing Doig at £5m? Who is saying Irving wasn't given a deal he merits ? All made up pish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I genuinely believe he wanted to stay at Hearts however with the poor contract offered and his lack of game time it was a pretty clear message to him that Neilson didn’t rate him. Time will tell if Robbie was right or we let a good ‘un go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Who is valuing Doig at £5m? https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://tbrfootball.com/arsenal-fans-react-as-reports-claim-how-much-josh-doig-will-cost/%3Famp&ved=2ahUKEwji9rKK3q7xAhVPecAKHV0hAJkQFjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw2Gac34nbz4Mszlua-Kh0pd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Thomaso said: I genuinely believe he wanted to stay at Hearts however with the poor contract offered and his lack of game time it was a pretty clear message to him that Neilson didn’t rate him. Time will tell if Robbie was right or we let a good ‘un go. Time will tell with who replaces him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, johnthomas said: Who is saying Irving wasn't given a deal he merits ? All made up pish You think he wouldn't stay if he was offered decent money, and the guarantee that we see him very much as a part of the club, going forward? How many contract offers were there, that tells you it's own story 😂 how many did it take Nisbet or Doig at Hibs to sign a new contract, for someone that knows Andy well, trust me he was lowballed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said: You think he wouldn't stay if he was offered decent money, and the guarantee that we see him very much as a part of the club, going forward? How many contract offers were there, that tells you it's own story 😂 how many did it take Nisbet or Doig at Hibs to sign a new contract, for someone that knows Andy well, trust me he was lowballed. Spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Form Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://tbrfootball.com/arsenal-fans-react-as-reports-claim-how-much-josh-doig-will-cost/%3Famp&ved=2ahUKEwji9rKK3q7xAhVPecAKHV0hAJkQFjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw2Gac34nbz4Mszlua-Kh0pd Absolute pish. That’s complete and utter speculation with no merit. Believe it and your heid buttons up the back. If anyone had offered north of £500k for Doig, Ron the Con would have bitten their hand off by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, S Form said: Absolute pish. That’s complete and utter speculation with no merit. Believe it and your heid buttons up the back. If anyone had offered north of £500k for Doig, Ron the Con would have bitten their hand off by now. Aye well Why didn't he accept the 2mil plus for Nisbet in January?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, S Form said: Absolute pish. That’s complete and utter speculation with no merit. Believe it and your heid buttons up the back. If anyone had offered north of £500k for Doig, Ron the Con would have bitten their hand off by now. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/josh-doig-transfer-latest-hibs-20770778.amp&ved=2ahUKEwjZhuCG8q7xAhXOA2MBHZ3bDtEQFjAdegQIPhAC&usg=AOvVaw1Cthq0KyllCW_I8QHUKWLj&cf=1 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/news/hibs-set-josh-doig-fee-as-premier-league-clubs-monitor-left-back/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwjZhuCG8q7xAhXOA2MBHZ3bDtEQFjAeegQIQBAC&usg=AOvVaw2h_Pfivj2lgJVXoCJd0l2V&cf=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthomas Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Bongo 1874 said: You think he wouldn't stay if he was offered decent money, and the guarantee that we see him very much as a part of the club, going forward? How many contract offers were there, that tells you it's own story 😂 how many did it take Nisbet or Doig at Hibs to sign a new contract, for someone that knows Andy well, trust me he was lowballed. Keep hearing this stuff . Rightly or wrongly it would appear the club offered what they thought he was worth . For the boys sake I hope he proves his detractors wrong but if he was the new Fulton (or whoever) I've no doubt he would have been offered a mega contract Would make no sense otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/josh-doig-transfer-latest-hibs-20770778.amp&ved=2ahUKEwjZhuCG8q7xAhXOA2MBHZ3bDtEQFjAdegQIPhAC&usg=AOvVaw1Cthq0KyllCW_I8QHUKWLj&cf=1 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/news/hibs-set-josh-doig-fee-as-premier-league-clubs-monitor-left-back/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwjZhuCG8q7xAhXOA2MBHZ3bDtEQFjAeegQIQBAC&usg=AOvVaw2h_Pfivj2lgJVXoCJd0l2V&cf=1 I don't see a single quote in either of them, are we counting internet gobshites as sources now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthomas Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said: Aye well Why didn't he accept the 2mil plus for Nisbet in January?. That is an excellent question . Unless , of course , the offer was a figment of someone's imagination . Always possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, johnthomas said: That is an excellent question . Unless , of course , the offer was a figment of someone's imagination . Always possible Only time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, Smithee said: I don't see a single quote in either of them, are we counting internet gobshites as sources now? Yeah there hasn't been interest in him 👍 they didn't knock back bids for Doig, Nisbet and the animal that's plays at the back for them. In January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stendelnator Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 If Irving was as good as he thinks he is, he wouldn’t be rocking up at the German equivalent of Edinburgh City. Simple facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Form Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 7 hours ago, Bongo 1874 said: Aye well Why didn't he accept the 2mil plus for Nisbet in January?. What £2m bid for Nisbet? No doubt another imaginary offer. All we ever hear about is the supposed ‘interest’ in the likes of Nisbet, Doig and Boyle. If they’re in such demand why are they still at Easter Road? I’ll tell you why. It’s because they’re actually not as highly regarded as some people think they are and/or any bids that have been received are nowhere near the fantasy figures planted in the press/on the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, S Form said: What £2m bid for Nisbet? No doubt another imaginary offer. All we ever hear about is the supposed ‘interest’ in the likes of Nisbet, Doig and Boyle. If they’re in such demand why are they still at Easter Road? I’ll tell you why. It’s because they’re actually not as highly regarded as some people think they are and/or any bids that have been received are nowhere near the fantasy figures planted in the press/on the internet. It was reported in all the news at the time he handed a transfer request because they turned down an offer in the region of £3m from Birmingham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, S Form said: What £2m bid for Nisbet? No doubt another imaginary offer. All we ever hear about is the supposed ‘interest’ in the likes of Nisbet, Doig and Boyle. If they’re in such demand why are they still at Easter Road? I’ll tell you why. It’s because they’re actually not as highly regarded as some people think they are and/or any bids that have been received are nowhere near the fantasy figures planted in the press/on the internet. I doubt Nisbet would hand in a transfer request on the basis of an imaginary transfer bid being turned down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Form Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 19 minutes ago, Last Laff said: It was reported in all the news at the time he handed a transfer request because they turned down an offer in the region of £3m from Birmingham. An offer ‘in the region of £3m’. We would have to see the details of this offer to see exactly how much it was worth to Hibs. As I said, he and his teammates are wildly over valued by some sections of the media. It appears any concrete bids are far lower than Hibs expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Just now, S Form said: An offer ‘in the region of £3m’. We would have to see the details of this offer to see exactly how much it was worth to Hibs. As I said, he and his teammates are wildly over valued by some sections of the media. It appears any concrete bids are far lower than Hibs expectations. A lot more than the £2m they initially bid that was then upped to £2.5? They might be overvalued but he also handed in a transfer request when the final bid was rejected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Form Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Last Laff said: A lot more than the £2m they initially bid that was then upped to £2.5? They might be overvalued but he also handed in a transfer request when the final bid was rejected. Of course he handed in a transfer request. The chances are he would have benefited financially from the move. It’s good to see you agree that they are overvalued. That’s the main point I am making here. Every player has his value, but the hype over some Hibs players is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Bongo 1874 said: Yeah there hasn't been interest in him 👍 they didn't knock back bids for Doig, Nisbet and the animal that's plays at the back for them. In January. Bongo, stay focussed here. You were asked who was valuing Doig at 5 million and you posted a couple of internet gobshites' opinions without a single quote. Do you think those are good sources? Edited June 24, 2021 by Smithee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsofgold Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 This Irvine deal reeks of his agent engineering him a shite move just to get round the maximum training compensation rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Heartsofgold said: This Irvine deal reeks of his agent engineering him a shite move just to get round the maximum training compensation rules. I don't know, I can't help thinking that he knows his style is better suited elsewhere and wants to check it out. Having said that I know a lassie (a good jambo) who worked beside his mum, she was telling me the family's always been about the money - nothing wrong with that in this capitalistic world, but maybe it is just as simple as that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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