TheBigO Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: So much so that we can all welcome him back to Tynecastle next in August to unveil our Championship flag. I'm sure he will get a nice round of applause and a song or two. That could be a lot of fun. In all seriousness, do we think he'll show his "definitely into niche websites" face at Tynie ever again? Could be very good fun if he does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, JimmyCant said: Agree to a certain extent but we are in a position of strength vs Walsall here. If Adebayo is the primary target and is preferred over the second option then we should sign him. The worst that could happen is we wait until the summer to get him. We can get away without a striker for the rest of this season IMO so let’s pick the best of the 2 we are after and wait if we need to (pretty sure Walsall will cash in now if we pre contract him - would be silly not to given their league position and their financial position) Agree Walsall will know we hold all the cards here and will cave in. We should be patient if he is the number one target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Auldbenches said: It's just the irony of that half mill grant that they aren't getting, and it's because they voted us down. Message boards are what they are but posters like FF don't half give them a bit of depth. Hope we sign a striker with this money who then scores against them. It's great being poppy money thieving gets. Anything that gets up their noses Oh just reread. I wasn't having a go at FF - love him! He knows his stuff. I don't get supporters with a knowledge probably similar or less than mine who get all uppity about the very basics of finance in football and worrying if we give a player £2k or £3k etc. Who cares. Is he guid at fitba? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Robbo-Jambo said: Agree Walsall will know we hold all the cards here and will cave in. We should be patient if he is the number one target. We tend to do things "properly" these days. So we're approaching Walsall first here, even though we could tie up Adebayo for the summer if we wanted. The usual ploy here is tie the player to a precontract and then pressure the club by saying, he's leaving anyway etc. We may still do that of course, but we seem to have given his club first refusal on a fee offer first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, jonnothejambo said: He won't show his face again at our home. He may even be unemployed by then.... That'd be nice. Wouldn't pish on him if he was on fire. However, I would if he wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 37 minutes ago, Robdawg said: Apparently paying £180k for this boy from Walsall Surely not?? That seems steep when we can get him for free in 5 months time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auldbenches Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, TheBigO said: Oh just reread. I wasn't having a go at FF - love him! He knows his stuff. I don't get supporters with a knowledge probably similar or less than mine who get all uppity about the very basics of finance in football and worrying if we give a player £2k or £3k etc. Who cares. Is he guid at fitba? I never read it as anything but praise for ff. I was just agreeing with you. Also agree on the fact that it's about if a player is any good. That half mill is handy though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 43 minutes ago, Robdawg said: Apparently paying £180k for this boy from Walsall One months FoH donations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimosavi Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Happy with the wallsall lad but we also need Olly Lee replaced as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valois No1 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: Surely not?? That seems steep when we can get him for free in 5 months time. Yeah I agree.….I just cant see us spending anywhere near that for a league in theory we should win anyway. Id keep the 180k for summer transfers. If we do spend that he must be very highly thought of but I cant see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: Surely not?? That seems steep when we can get him for free in 5 months time. Certainly not the figure I have heard. Not even half that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrystaf Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: I think Joe Savage has a lot to do with our transfer and scouting. Actually I think I am stating the bleeding obvious. But it's good to hear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: Surely not?? That seems steep when we can get him for free in 5 months time. This. No way would we pay that kind of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, Deevers said: Certainly not the figure I have heard. Not even half that. I'm sure the Walsall fans' forum that was posted the other day was saying they would be happy with £25-50k! £180k is a lot for a Championship club to spend on a player. Even us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berra than you Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, Batistuta87 said: I'm sure the Walsall fans' forum that was posted the other day was saying they would be happy with £25-50k! £180k is a lot for a Championship club to spend on a player. Even us. Did we even spend that much on Liam Boyce? Surely not paying as much as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Berra than you said: Did we even spend that much on Liam Boyce? Surely not paying as much as that. I don't think the club ever confirmed the actual figure but rumours are between £150-200k. Transfermrkt says £176k... To be fair though, we should have a few quid to spend from the sale of Hickey (assuming that fee hasn't been absorbed by operating costs throughout Covid) but I was sort of expecting us to save anything we had for next season. Would be very surprised if we're paying anything like £100k for this guy. Edited January 22, 2021 by Batistuta87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 28 minutes ago, The Apprentice said: Indeed 😉 Probably a discussion for a later date but I hope that ****** is nowhere near Tynecastle even in those circumstances. The thought of his smug puss posing for pictures and handing the trophy over is already making my blood boil! I don’t think that happened last time but I could be mistaken? Even he must know that would be a mistake unless it’s still BCD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: I'm sure the Walsall fans' forum that was posted the other day was saying they would be happy with £25-50k! £180k is a lot for a Championship club to spend on a player. Even us. Exactly, just get him signed up on a pre contract and see what they will accept then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoGwash Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Robdawg said: Apparently paying £180k for this boy from Walsall That would be ridiculous money. Given we could sign him on a pre contract and get him free in the summer i cant see any way we'd pay £180k to get a league 2 player for 3 - 4 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, HoGwash said: That would be ridiculous money. Given we could sign him on a pre contract and get him free in the summer i cant see any way we'd pay £180k to get a league 2 player for 3 - 4 months. We will end up getting him for less than half that close to the window closing. Will just be their opening gambit to see how much they can wrangle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Thoughts?Do a job? https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/florian-kamberi-could-leave-st-gallen-former-hibs-striker-linked-moves-england-and-germany-3106936 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madjambo21 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, HoGwash said: That would be ridiculous money. Given we could sign him on a pre contract and get him free in the summer i cant see any way we'd pay £180k to get a league 2 player for 3 - 4 months. Only thing is maybe we buy him now so teams that can pay more in wages don't get him for free at the end of the season 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirror Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Walsall might be easier to deal with once a pre-contract is signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Munro Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said: Thoughts?Do a job? https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/florian-kamberi-could-leave-st-gallen-former-hibs-striker-linked-moves-england-and-germany-3106936 Not for me. Looked decent when on loan but as soon as it was made permanent didn't try a leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoGwash Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Madjambo21 said: Only thing is maybe we buy him now so teams that can pay more in wages don't get him for free at the end of the season 🤷♂️ They couldn't do that if he signs a pre contract with us although there is some debate about how watertight pre contracts are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john thomas Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 50 minutes ago, SteauaNeedarest said: Not a chance. Even on the Walsall forums were saying they'd be delighted with £50k. They may , in this case , be correct . Don't know if you've followed many threads on here ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said: Thoughts?Do a job? https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/florian-kamberi-could-leave-st-gallen-former-hibs-striker-linked-moves-england-and-germany-3106936 It’s been discussed on here a few days ago, would need to pay for fee for him too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, HMFC01 said: 😱 He must be very highly thought of! I would expect a player that can be acquired on a pre contract to be signed for free. Hope it works out. So do I but it wouldn’t be like us to waste money on the odd players now would it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said: Thoughts?Do a job? https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/florian-kamberi-could-leave-st-gallen-former-hibs-striker-linked-moves-england-and-germany-3106936 The seethe from Leith would be unreal, but I'd stay away personally. Didn't like the way he downed tools as soon as Rangers were interested. Of course footballers should always be aiming to play at the highest level possible and are always going to chase the money so I have no problem when they want a move when they get the chance, but they should respect the club they're contracted to and still put the effort in while they're there (even if that club is Hibs :D) Edited January 22, 2021 by Batistuta87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 35 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said: Thoughts?Do a job? https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/florian-kamberi-could-leave-st-gallen-former-hibs-striker-linked-moves-england-and-germany-3106936 It’s a pass for me. The lad has Hibsed his whole career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Apprentice Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said: I don’t think that happened last time but I could be mistaken? Even he must know that would be a mistake unless it’s still BCD. He definitely handed over the trophy the last time as I remember him getting pelters then as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Apprentice said: He definitely handed over the trophy the last time as I remember him getting pelters then as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, TheBigO said: Yeehaa! Funny innit. Before anyone comes in with pedentry, we all know the prize money will be less and we can't attain European qualification (unless we win the cup, which we almost definitely will - especially with our new "free" signings). I don't usually concern myself with finance in football (don't hugely understand why people do, unless it's a proper hobby with a proper knowledge which it seems with maybe FF - I mean armchair accountancy...??!), but it will be interesting to see our P&L against Prem teams for this season. Yeah.... I said on a thread a few weeks ago, as long as we get back up to the prem, this season hasn't really been the nightmare we maybe thought it would be. It's given us a season to get our act together (both on and off the field), the officiating hasn't been nearly as bad as the prem, we've done ok with grants. I would also wager that there are a number of premier league sides that (given the choice - hypothetically) would swap places with us right now. About the only real negative will be prize money... but all-in-all, it's been good to see us winning and scoring goals. It doesn't make me any less angry about how we (and others were treated)... that will NEVER be forgotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Black Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, TheBigO said: Goodoh. I'd like to thank Neil Doncaster personally for this transfer fee offer. Having led the Scottish footballing community in expelling us, he has ensured our fans rallied round, pumping more money in to the club, we have lost no or very little by being in the Championship as there are no crowds anyway (and I'd think we'd fill Tynie anyway), and we also had access to a £500k free govt grant, which the Prem teams didn't. He really has helped our club in our medium term plans. Yes, well done Neil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 7 hours ago, Jamboj1 said: Irving and ginelly almost completely signed up massive business for us, as of Tuesday we were in talks with 2 strikers the Walsall one and another as we are at a little deadlock of discussions with Walsall. Apologies doesn’t seem to be one in this week like I mentioned but i think it’s clear we were trying to make it happen and still are so🤞🏻. Don’t get names often but led to believe we have an extreme interest in kyle Turner from Dunfermline Is Kyle Turner being played as a Striker? Does he not play in midfield? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biffa Bacon Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, HoGwash said: They couldn't do that if he signs a pre contract with us although there is some debate about how watertight pre contracts are. The contract is a legal agreement signed between parties. A pre contract will have the same legal protection, it will contain a start date in the future, say from 1 July 21 or the like. Details of each contract will vary as to how the outcomes are negotiated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Biffa Bacon said: The contract is a legal agreement signed between parties. A pre contract will have the same legal protection, it will contain a start date in the future, say from 1 July 21 or the like. Details of each contract will vary as to how the outcomes are negotiated. I remember a pre contract being cancelled a few years ago when the guy changed his mind. I don't remember the details, but Ross County were involved IIRC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 27 minutes ago, The Apprentice said: He definitely handed over the trophy the last time as I remember him getting pelters then as well. No idea who that is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Smithee said: I remember a pre contract being cancelled a few years ago when the guy changed his mind. I don't remember the details, but Ross County were involved IIRC Richard Brittain, didn’t want to sign for St Johnstone but they had to legally allow him to break the contract. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23083594 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Dongcaster Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Robdawg said: Apparently paying £180k for this boy from Walsall Seems a lot. However I think Savage will be involved in scouting this lad. We have to trust the people we bring in to get these decisions right and judge them on the outcomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said: Yeah.... I said on a thread a few weeks ago, as long as we get back up to the prem, this season hasn't really been the nightmare we maybe thought it would be. It's given us a season to get our act together (both on and off the field), the officiating hasn't been nearly as bad as the prem, we've done ok with grants. I would also wager that there are a number of premier league sides that (given the choice - hypothetically) would swap places with us right now. About the only real negative will be prize money... but all-in-all, it's been good to see us winning and scoring goals. It doesn't make me any less angry about how we (and others were treated)... that will NEVER be forgotten. Tv money too but all in all there could’ve been worse seasons to be down below, and thousands of us not paying for live streams will have hurt Hibs for instance. Keeping on thread we might not have been able to change the squad around as much if we had been in the top league either, whilst winning games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Reekin' Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, TheBigO said: That'd be nice. Wouldn't pish on him if he was on fire. However, I would if he wasn't. Pishy Pat approves of this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Richard Brittain, didn’t want to sign for St Johnstone but they had to legally allow him to break the contract. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23083594 Was there not a family tragedy that made him, or his wife, not want to move when the summer arrived? I'm fairly sure that something had changed his domestic life. That being the reason St Johnstone felt they should release him from the commitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biffa Bacon Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, Smithee said: I remember a pre contract being cancelled a few years ago when the guy changed his mind. I don't remember the details, but Ross County were involved IIRC It depends on the wording contained in the contract but one party cannot cancel without the agreement of the other. Everything can be renegotiated at any point, so a player could say I don't want to honour my contract, the club could ask for some settlement figure. Of course it may be in both of their interests to cancel e.g. club have another more suitable replacement, but must be agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Lambretta Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 They can ram their Championship trophy up Liewells back passage assuming there is still room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted January 22, 2021 Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Italian Lambretta said: They can ram their Championship trophy up Liewells back passage assuming there is still room. yeah from my perspective I don’t think we should accept it given the circumstances .. that said, the players (especially the new ones) may not align to that view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 £180k for the lad from Walsall is a bit much tbh. 6 months left, we'd be better signing the pre-contract and offering them 90k or something to get it done now. Anything over £100k seems a bit steep considering he's out of contract. Then again, I'd rather not lose out on a player we want because we're humming and hawing over a relatively small amount of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Italian Lambretta said: They can ram their Championship trophy up Liewells back passage assuming there is still room. Could probably just about fit it in there if ND takes his boots of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxfee Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Are pre contracts legally binding - maybes aye maybes naw. Totally depends on what’s detailed in them. With some, you can walk away, others you can but with significant implications. Unless it’s your own pre contract, there’s no way of knowing the ins and outs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted January 22, 2021 Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, Baxfee said: Are pre contracts legally binding - maybes aye maybes naw. Totally depends on what’s detailed in them. With some, you can walk away, others you can but with significant implications. Unless it’s your own pre contract, there’s no way of knowing the ins and outs Did someone try and cut in/ stop Ian Blacks pre contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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