Covid protocols - ‘Govt money wanted’

[Shanks]

23 minutes ago, pettigrewsstylist said:

Season will fall apart anyway i suspect. Doesnt excuse these half wits. 

fingers crossed 

[IveSeenTheLight]

8 minutes ago, Psychedelicropcircle said:

 

 

 

ive no seen the light 🖕🏿🤟🏿😂

The blindfold is on this one

[Nookie Bear]

Hell mend them all.

 

Every club knew how bad the leadership of the game is and they had a chance over the summer to do something about it. But no, they chose to make a pact with the devil in exchange for glamour friendlies and a fringe player on loan. 
 

Even now, with months to consider the impact, with dozens of people sitting on emergency committees, there is no cohesive approach to an incident that was inevitable and should have been anticipated.

 

Not our problem anymore!

[Jambof3tornado]

30 minutes ago, pettigrewsstylist said:

Season will fall apart anyway i suspect. Doesnt excuse these half wits. 

With all this going on its impossible to see how part time teams can even get back training safely when players are out at work 5 days a week doing a variety of jobs.

[Squirt]

Makes a nice change being able to sit back and watch a shit show rather than be in the middle of one. 
 

I think realistically you’d have to say getting nationally panned and made an absolute embarrassment of has to be enough external punishment for the good of Aberdeen and the rest of Scottish football, as sick as that makes me feel to say. 
 

The absurdity of what happened to us and Partick aside the season started for the rest of them and it was never going to be a smooth ride. Things like this are going to happen again at other clubs and the main aim is to get the season played and finished. There needs to be a pragmatism about things if they’re going to achieve that and the arguments about postponed games, depleted teams allowing an advantage and points deductions makes a season that is already doomed to be a sham become a complete and utter farce altogether. 
 

The best the SPFL can hope for is that there isn’t another instance like this that’s so self-inflicted and of such a large scale, but even the latter is inevitable surely.

 

 

 

On the other hand the lot of them have shafted us at every opportunity and if it all ends up falling apart I’ll just enjoy the show from afar knowing that whatever happens Hearts biggest worry will be when we play again, as opposed to if we play again.

 

[Morgan]

5 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

The blindfold is on this one

You may find this a tad more useful than a blindfold, in Sheepland.

 

😷

[Fitba' broke my Heart]

I too am flabergasted that there are no procedures in place for an (all to prdictable) event like this.

 

It is as though the lack of positive returns from COVID test have caused an air of complacency within the SPFL board and executive.

I wonder if there are any protocols to follow for the leagues outwith the Premiership?

It would be good to know.

 

Edited August 7, 2020 by Fitba' broke my Heart

[manaliveits105]

28 minutes ago, grumpyjambo said:

I would expect that once the 8 players are back Aberdeen will be issued with a notice of complaint and then get the points deducted. 

You’ve got to remember Donkey and the spfl still owe Cormack for changing his vote on good Friday so they had the famous 81%
 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

7 minutes ago, Squirt said:

 

The best the SPFL can hope for is that there isn’t another instance like this that’s so self-inflicted and of such a large scale, but even the latter is inevitable surely.

 

 

The SPFL's whole approach to everything seems to be a) Do what's best for the OF and b ) Hope things turn out alright

[Guest ToqueJambo]

10 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said:

With all this going on its impossible to see how part time teams can even get back training safely when players are out at work 5 days a week doing a variety of jobs.

 

A major reason we were right to fight demotion all the way. I don't see our league starting smoothly or even finishing. If so, I wonder if we can pursue damages later through another avenue. Demoting after 30 games is one thing. Condemning us to a league where many teams can't even play, when we can, is another.

Edited August 7, 2020 by ToqueJambo

[Wee Mikey]

2 hours ago, Riccarton3 said:

That picture's been messed with

No it hasn't. He really IS that ugly; but, now it has! 🤭

[Jambo61]

1 hour ago, CJGJ said:

I get that rule but were they told they could not go out at all just because they are footballers ?

 

So are we saying that if there were 2 or 3 of them flat sharing they could go out but not meeting up if it exceeds 3 households ?

 

Or is there a different rule for footballers at present ?

 

Given the circumstances, generally not good to be seen out drinking anyway but some might have been not drinking and just out with their pals and is that against protocols ? (putting aside the possibility/probability they exceded 3 households between them)

 

There will be quite a few groups all over Scotland who are not keeping to the household 'rule' this weekend for sure...and maybe some on here

Drinking is not the issue, except for the manager and a supposed professional athlete..........the issue is mixing with numbers, socialising outwith safe parameters prescribed by their management! Could be worse though, might have had to go home to a drunken Amy!

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Jack Torrance said:

🤣

I was glad when I saw someone else couldn’t find what the actual agreement is in there 🤷🏾‍♂️. I’ve had to read and reread the guidelines for work over and over again 🤪🙈. 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Riccarton3 said:

Got to admit only been to Pittodrie once! A 2-2 draw. Probably 1975-6

I hadn’t been for a while and was pleasantly surprised they park the buses right beside the entrance now, when Caaba was manager so not that recent 😂. 

[Pasquale for King]

54 minutes ago, 2205ian said:

Listened to the section on Sportsound chaired by David Currie.....not a good start. Tommy Wright & Stephen O'Donnell were the guests. Both these guys out of a job at present, but added to their CV as good brush sweepers.

 

O'Donnell is training with Accies at present, however admitted to not knowing the rules! Now I appreciate he is not an Accies player, but he has accepted the training facilities at the club & should know them. Plenty of other non footballers in the bar obviously not adhering to guidelines, so why should the Dons guys be in the spotlight was part of this clown's defense!

 

Tommy Wright was really disappointing as I thought he would be more vocal, but as quiet as a mouse.

 

Will not be surprised if a similar approach tomorrow with Dick Gordon leading with soft questions & a panel of ex-Dons to answer.

 

Sweep, Sweep, nothing to see here is the only summary I can muster listening to that whitewash tonight.

They obviously should know the rules but they’ve been playing foitball all their lives and don’t know those rules either, thick as pig shit and a joke to call them professional. 

[NANOJAMBO]

25 minutes ago, Squirt said:

Makes a nice change being able to sit back and watch a shit show rather than be in the middle of one. 
 

I think realistically you’d have to say getting nationally panned and made an absolute embarrassment of has to be enough external punishment for the good of Aberdeen and the rest of Scottish football, as sick as that makes me feel to say. 
 

The absurdity of what happened to us and Partick aside the season started for the rest of them and it was never going to be a smooth ride. Things like this are going to happen again at other clubs and the main aim is to get the season played and finished. There needs to be a pragmatism about things if they’re going to achieve that and the arguments about postponed games, depleted teams allowing an advantage and points deductions makes a season that is already doomed to be a sham become a complete and utter farce altogether. 
 

The best the SPFL can hope for is that there isn’t another instance like this that’s so self-inflicted and of such a large scale, but even the latter is inevitable surely.

 

 

 

On the other hand the lot of them have shafted us at every opportunity and if it all ends up falling apart I’ll just enjoy the show from afar knowing that whatever happens Hearts biggest worry will be when we play again, as opposed to if we play again.

 

I enjoyed your last para the most.

The whole day has been an embarrassment : eight players in a boozer (even putting Covid to one side, you have to ask how they thought this was acceptable behaviour), the club are talking about "leaving no stone unturned " - FFS their players were caught in a boozer and the SPFL have to basically be told to cancel the game and then try to spin it so it sounds like it was done by a 3rd party (Doncaster deliberately namechecked the JRG as the decision maker. ) I've really enjoyed it. Hopefully more to follow. 

[Harry Potter]

1 hour ago, willie wallace said:

Fair enough.They like to make up rules as they go along.

Aye Willie and they are very good at it, as we know.

Or not good for us.☹️as we know.

[Craig Herbertson]

Not only lack of leadership but hopeless incompetence. From the moment this pandemic started there has been no thought out plan from either the SFA or the SPFL. As said earlier, they just react to events and then get it wrong. Some kind of working committee should have had plan A, B, C worked out and clear statements about the procedures, sanctions, scenarios, eventualities in place. If I hear the words 'SKY deal' again I'll burst.

 

The word Schadenfreude was invented for this mess -  It's the pleasure, joy, or self-satisfaction from witnessing the troubles, failures, or humiliation of another. The emotion is driven by aggression, rivalry, and justice. I don't wish harm to anyone but the way this is going to play out it's Schadenfreude all round.

[CJGJ]

1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said:

They obviously should know the rules but they’ve been playing foitball all their lives and don’t know those rules either, thick as pig shit and a joke to call them professional. 

What are the rules though ?

 

Bar the three household rule which has been quoted have they broken other rules in actually going out or is it more general in that they were out and failed to observe the distancing  rule ?

If so they were no different than thousands last weekend and this

 

How many people actually tell others to move away when they get too close ?...and the story would become players push fans aside in pubs/clubs if they did

[IveSeenTheLight]

4 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

What are the rules though ?

 

Bar the three household rule which has been quoted have they broken other rules in actually going out or is it more general in that they were out and failed to observe the distancing  rule ?

If so they were no different than thousands last weekend and this

 

How many people actually tell others to move away when they get too close ?...and the story would become players push fans aside in pubs/clubs if they did

listening to the managers press conference, it seems there are many rules when the players are at work I.e. training and playing, but outside work, they have to abide by the same rules as everyone else.

The rule they broke was the 3 household rule. Sounds like there was 4 households.

He also said ordinarily they encourage players to socialize / have meals etc together, but at this time they need to be more aware and cautious.

He also mentioned that they should no not to go out after a defeat from SevCo.

[Squirt]

35 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

A major reason we were right to fight demotion all the way. I don't see our league starting smoothly or even finishing. If so, I wonder if we can pursue damages later through another avenue. Demoting after 30 games is one thing. Condemning us to a league where many teams can't even play, when we can, is another.

 

Quoted the wrong post.

Edited August 7, 2020 by Squirt

[Squirt]

37 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

The SPFL's whole approach to everything seems to be a) Do what's best for the OF and b ) Hope things turn out alright

 

I agree and it's a joke. I suppose the flip side is that hopefully this will expose the incompetence enough that it finally rids us of those in charge, but I won't hold my breathe.

[hammyhouse]

Vote to end season

celtic champions and relegate hamilton:)

[JimmyCant]

37 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

A major reason we were right to fight demotion all the way. I don't see our league starting smoothly or even finishing. If so, I wonder if we can pursue damages later through another avenue. Demoting after 30 games is one thing. Condemning us to a league where many teams can't even play, when we can, is another.

We’ve lost that case. Every avenue explored. Every dead end hit. We won’t be revisiting it. There are no grounds to revisit it. Time to put that to bed and move on 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

17 minutes ago, Craig Herbertson said:

Not only lack of leadership but hopeless incompetence. From the moment this pandemic started there has been no thought out plan from either the SFA or the SPFL. As said earlier, they just react to events and then get it wrong. Some kind of working committee should have had plan A, B, C worked out and clear statements about the procedures, sanctions, scenarios, eventualities in place. If I hear the words 'SKY deal' again I'll burst.

 

The word Schadenfreude was invented for this mess -  It's the pleasure, joy, or self-satisfaction from witnessing the troubles, failures, or humiliation of another. The emotion is driven by aggression, rivalry, and justice. I don't wish harm to anyone but the way this is going to play out it's Schadenfreude all round.

 

A lot of us said this a few months ago. The focus should have been reconstructing temporarily with all the teams confident of playing and managing the testing etc, and mothballing all the other teams. As others have pointed out how can clubs keep part-time players in the required bubble?

[CJGJ]

2 minutes ago, Squirt said:

 

I agree and it's a joke. I suppose the flip side is that hopefully this will expose the incompetence enough that it finally rids us of those in charge, but I won't hold my breathe.

What has this incident to do with the old firm ? or how is it even the footballing authorities fault ?

 

Seems to me people are just linking everything and anything to them and the SPFL...Aberdeen's players made a mistake and did not abide by the rules..how has that anything to do with Celtic/Rangers or the SPFL in terms of their fault ?

 

Players are at fault in this instance not the authorities

 

Of course mistakes have been made but this is hardly the fault of anyone else except the players

[WoolfordsHearts]

I have zero sympathy for any aberdeen player or fan caught up in this.

They knew the rules.

 

Any farm animals,livestock etc,they have infected,my thoughts and prayers are with you and your flocks.😔

[Nookie Bear]

8 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

We’ve lost that case. Every avenue explored. Every dead end hit. We won’t be revisiting it. There are no grounds to revisit it. Time to put that to bed and move on 

This phrase triggers the **** out of me. 
 

How about we St Johnstone the 3 points and “move on”. 
 

I am not “moving on” anywhere for the foreseeable. 

[Pasquale for King]

Anyone else watch the news and notice the banner in the McDiarmid park stand that said Perth/St Johnstone Doggers 😱🤷🏾‍♂️🤔😆🙈?

[Uncle Buck]

St Johnstone should be awarded the 3 points.

[Harry Potter]

5 minutes ago, WoolfordsHearts said:

I have zero sympathy for any aberdeen player or fan caught up in this.

They knew the rules.

 

Any farm animals,livestock etc,they have infected,my thoughts and prayers are with you and your flocks.😔

Your name Wool ford ha ha, like your post🙂.

[JimmyCant]

2 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

This phrase triggers the **** out of me. 
 

How about we St Johnstone the 3 points and “move on”. 
 

I am not “moving on” anywhere for the foreseeable. 

I meant move on from the dead expulsion case. St Johnstone getting 3 points (or not) doesn’t concern me and doesn’t effect Hearts. Up to ST Johnstone to raise that issue (or not) haven’t heard them comment as yet unless I’ve missed it, which is possible since it’s of little interest to us directly. They could deduct 20 points from Aberdeen and it still wouldn’t be a patch on what they done to us.

[Beast Boy]

5 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Anyone else watch the news and notice the banner in the McDiarmid park stand that said Perth/St Johnstone Doggers 😱🤷🏾‍♂️🤔😆🙈?

Odd people. 😅

[Pasquale for King]

28 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

What are the rules though ?

 

Bar the three household rule which has been quoted have they broken other rules in actually going out or is it more general in that they were out and failed to observe the distancing  rule ?

If so they were no different than thousands last weekend and this

 

How many people actually tell others to move away when they get too close ?...and the story would become players push fans aside in pubs/clubs if they did

It’s been inferred that there are separate rules to allow football to be played, I’ve looked and I can’t find them so that’s still to be determined. Lennon said today that his players had been out for meals but it would now be train, play and go home. 
It’s up to the staff to police the household rule and sociaal distancing. Sturgeon also mentioned bring in a public place would naturally draw towards them. You have to wonder what clubs are telling players, Cochrane has a video up of him, Halkett and Morrison in a coffee shop today, I’m not sure that’s allowed either. Needs to made clear I think, especially to players. 

[Pasquale for King]

1 minute ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

Odd people. 😅

Not much else to do up there 😜

[Harry Potter]

1 minute ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

Odd people. 😅

Is that doggie walkers ?

[Squirt]

16 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

What has this incident to do with the old firm ? or how is it even the footballing authorities fault ?

 

Seems to me people are just linking everything and anything to them and the SPFL...Aberdeen's players made a mistake and did not abide by the rules..how has that anything to do with Celtic/Rangers or the SPFL in terms of their fault ?

 

Players are at fault in this instance not the authorities

 

Of course mistakes have been made but this is hardly the fault of anyone else except the players

 

Considering what I originally said and my reply you're quoting I'm pretty sure we agree with each other. The Aberdeen players are absolutely at fault and this is totally self-inflicted as I said and I'm not claiming that this is the SPFL's fault at all. I said the best the SPFL can hope for is that players of other teams aren't as inconsiderate and naive, so that they can avoid this happening again. It's out of their control, obviously.

 

My reply you quoted is more about the governance of Scottish Football in general. I think the Old Firm, directly or indirectly, effects their decision making and that overall they don't have any real vision as to where we're headed as a country in terms of football. I'd say they deserve at least a bit of slack due to the current situation but even beforehand the leagues weren't exactly excelling and considering how big a sport football is in Scotland its potential is just being totally wasted and it's due to the people in charge.

Edited August 7, 2020 by Squirt

[Beast Boy]

Just now, Harry Potter said:

Is that doggie walkers ?

Duggie Walker, think he plays on the wing. 

[Harry Potter]

Just now, Special Officer Doofy said:

Duggie Walker, think he plays on the wing. 

😀

[Beast Boy]

2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Not much else to do up there 😜

Maybe plough a field, and then dance around a maypole; wearing a goat mask or something.

[Craig_]

5 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

It’s been inferred that there are separate rules to allow football to be played, I’ve looked and I can’t find them so that’s still to be determined. Lennon said today that his players had been out for meals but it would now be train, play and go home. 
It’s up to the staff to police the household rule and sociaal distancing. Sturgeon also mentioned bring in a public place would naturally draw towards them. You have to wonder what clubs are telling players, Cochrane has a video up of him, Halkett and Morrison in a coffee shop today, I’m not sure that’s allowed either. Needs to made clear I think, especially to players. 

 

Depends whether it was in Amsterdam... 

[Pasquale for King]

3 minutes ago, Craig_ said:

 

Depends whether it was in Amsterdam... 

Are they allowed to fly to Holland 😜. Can’t say I recognise it 🤷🏾‍♂️

Edited August 7, 2020 by Pasquale for King

[CJGJ]

11 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

It’s been inferred that there are separate rules to allow football to be played, I’ve looked and I can’t find them so that’s still to be determined. Lennon said today that his players had been out for meals but it would now be train, play and go home. 
It’s up to the staff to police the household rule and sociaal distancing. Sturgeon also mentioned bring in a public place would naturally draw towards them. You have to wonder what clubs are telling players, Cochrane has a video up of him, Halkett and Morrison in a coffee shop today, I’m not sure that’s allowed either. Needs to made clear I think, especially to players. 

Why would it not be allowed ?....the point was made earlier that 3 households is fine so can't hammer them on that one

[Guest ToqueJambo]

23 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

What has this incident to do with the old firm ? or how is it even the footballing authorities fault ?

 

Seems to me people are just linking everything and anything to them and the SPFL...Aberdeen's players made a mistake and did not abide by the rules..how has that anything to do with Celtic/Rangers or the SPFL in terms of their fault ?

 

Players are at fault in this instance not the authorities

 

Of course mistakes have been made but this is hardly the fault of anyone else except the players

 

Given it took the Scottish gov to step in and cancel the game, the SPFL seem to have no procedures in place for an outbreak this size at a club.

 

They also seem to have no procedures in place if the season has to pause or end again.

 

They don't seem to have any punishments agreed for clubs breaking the protocols etc and already that's 4 clubs I make it - Rangers, Hibs, Aberdeen and St Mirren - that have broken the rules.

 

Doncaster admitted they didn't even have a plan B in the event Hearts and PT won our case.

 

[kila]

 

 

[luckydug]

Any more **** ups and the SPFL  will be mothballed until the Covid threat is over. 

The combination of the arrogance of youth and the amount of disposable income these young football players have is a threat to the games continuing this season. 

[Kiwidoug]

Surely the SPFL should throw the book at us for this egregious breach of the covid rules by Aberdeen.  Our failure to remind the Aberdeen players of their responsibilities  is unforgivable.

[Craig Herbertson]

33 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

A lot of us said this a few months ago. The focus should have been reconstructing temporarily with all the teams confident of playing and managing the testing etc, and mothballing all the other teams. As others have pointed out how can clubs keep part-time players in the required bubble?

Yes. Ann Budge tried but they wouldn't listen and we have had more ideas and approaches from guys on kickback and probably other fan forums, than the SPFL, none of whom are getting paid loads of money to think them up.

[Guest ToqueJambo]

If this is a sign of what's to come (and this is the time when there will be more community outbreaks with things bit more open) there's no way the season will finish. Might not even be able to properly get started.

 

And the brain trust in charge of the Scottish game thought it was a good idea, instead of anticipating postponements and allowing time in the calendar for rescheduled games, to add even more fixture congestion by going ahead with the Betfred Cup and playing the Scottish Cup to a conclusion the same season as the next SC starts. Geniuses!

Edited August 7, 2020 by ToqueJambo

[Gards]

I'm sorry but how the hell are Aberdeen not being punished for this.  I don't think St Johnstone should get 3 points as it benefits them but Aberdeen should be deducted 6 points and then for the rescheduled game they can't play the infected 8.  If they win, best case for them is they are 3 points down - but no way should they be unpunished for this.

And this should then be the norm for any team this season where similar situation arises.