Covid protocols - ‘Govt money wanted’

[Pasquale for King]

19 minutes ago, farin said:

 

Lower leagues simply won’t be able to afford the test imo, the spfl hoping to get crowds back slowly has been blown out the water now thanks to a 2nd wave going by the figures released that most knew was a reality. Has to a real concern about our league being started now if the clubs are forced to test too. What a clusterfeck tbh. 

Starting might be ok but finishing might be the problem, if clubs can’t afford to test for any amount of time and the situation worsens we might be the last man standing. It’s what we said might happen when we wanted reconstruction, if it does abd clubs go bust we might just get a change at the top of the game, but let’s not hold our breath. 

[JackLadd]

2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

If this lasts for a long time, the of are one of the worst equipped, 

Celtic and rangers got over 45% of their total revenue from match day. 

 

From the report I saw, Celtic and rangers were the most at risk followed by a host of English championship clubs and teams like the bigger teams in Portugal, Belgium, Denmark even holand etc were also mentioned. 

 

No surprise that the teams with big crowds and full stadiums but in the smaller leagues are at risk. 

 

Rangers in particular must be concerned but 1 player sale of around £10m would see them good for the season. 

 

 

 

Surely Newco will be okay (will have to sell Kent albeit) as long as The People don't ask for refunds, same with the other cheek. 

Edited September 22, 2020 by JackLadd

[Bazzas right boot]

1 minute ago, JackLadd said:

interest free govt loans to clubs will have to be facilitated, you can't say to them no fans allowed and good luck while bars and restaurants are still in operation. These loans could cover covid testing also. 

 

You can Tbh. 

 

SKY for example have given English football x billion for a season, if they can't distribute that fairly then no way should the government bail them out. 

 

Lots of restaurant and bar workers get minimum wage and you don't want a sharp increase in homeless, crime, etc and uc payments so the reason for suppporting these industries and people is completely different- economically and ethically. 

 

Arsenal binning staff to save £2m then signing a player for £20m on £100 k a week and giving another player £300k a week just highlights the issue of helping out football. 

[Bazzas right boot]

2 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

 

Surely Newco will be okay (will have to sell Kent albeit) as long as The People don't ask for refunds, same with the other cheek. 

 

Yeah, 1 player sale will be the answer for them both. 

[Pasquale for King]

8 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

interest free govt loans to clubs will have to be facilitated, you can't say to them no fans allowed and good luck while bars and restaurants are still in operation. These loans could cover covid testing also. 

From the U.K. government? Doubtful. They did give £16m to rugby league months ago , it would only be to smaller clubs if it was to happen. 

Edited September 22, 2020 by Pasquale for King

[Bazzas right boot]

6 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Starting might be ok but finishing might be the problem, if clubs can’t afford to test for any amount of time and the situation worsens we might be the last man standing. It’s what we said might happen when we wanted reconstruction, if it does abd clubs go bust we might just get a change at the top of the game, but let’s not hold our breath. 

 

Right now, a ft league should be made up - hands up if you can afford testing and field a team bcd. 

Make a league of them. 

Ask the rest what they want to do. 

 

Partick are again at the real shiity end of the stick. 

Edited September 22, 2020 by Smith's right boot

[JackLadd]

2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

From the U.K. government? Doubtful. They did give £16m to rugby league months ago , it would only be to smaller clubs if it was to happen. 

 

If smaller clubs are going to the wall they will need help from someplace surely. An interest free or low repayment secured loan from Holyrood, not free money. Football is a community thing, it's not just another business.  

[Bazzas right boot]

33 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

 

If smaller clubs are going to the wall they will need help from someplace surely. An interest free or low repayment secured loan from Holyrood, not free money. Football is a community thing, it's not just another business.  

 

Holyrood gets pocket money from Westminster, may be wrong but football will be last industry to be helped. 

 

All the part time teams could just close and re open in a  time, most have crowds and facilities comparable to the seniors and juniors. 

Every club will be unable to get help and every club from every sport certainly can't. 

They don't need saved, they just need to re act to the situation. 

 

The governing body could have been far more proactive and mitigated the damage to the full time clubs to help secure the future of the game, they haven't and that isn't the scot govs fault. 

[Pilmuir]

39 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

Right now, a ft league should be made up - hands up if you can afford testing and field a team bcd. 

Make a league of them. 

Ask the rest what they want to do. 

 

Partick are again at the real shiity end of the stick. 

The clubs have already been asked if they can field a team and they all said yes. No-one said they would go into hibernation. So the SPFL should hold them to that commitment and insist that every game is played, or points are forfeited. 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, farin said:

 

Lower leagues simply won’t be able to afford the test imo, the spfl hoping to get crowds back slowly has been blown out the water now thanks to a 2nd wave going by the figures released that most knew was a reality. Has to a real concern about our league being started now if the clubs are forced to test too. What a clusterfeck tbh. 

That’s up to the government to decide, unless the JRG have a contingency plan hahahahaha 😆😂🤪😜?!?!

[neilnunb]

Moyes tests positive for Covid-19

West Ham 0-0 Hull

West Ham United

West Ham have just released a statement saying manager David Moyes is one of three people to test positive for Covid-19.

Defender Issa Diop and midfielder Josh Cullen were the other two who returned positive tests and were withdrawn from this game around 45 minutes before kick-off.

West Ham said: "The club’s medical team were informed of the test results as the team were at London Stadium preparing for this evening’s Carabao Cup third round tie against Hull City.

"The manager and both players immediately left the stadium and have returned home.

"All three, who are asymptomatic, will now follow Public Health England and Premier League guidelines and protocols."

[Bazzas right boot]

Just now, Pilmuir said:

The clubs have already been asked if they can field a team and they all said yes. No-one said they would go into hibernation. So the SPFL should hold them to that commitment and insist that every game is played, or points are forfeited. 

 

Correct, but that was based on crowds returning in October. 

The situation from August to October hasn't changed, that is the issue. 

 

Forfieghted games are all well and good, but if it's happening constantly no good for us as fans, the players or the finances. 

Imagine no  competitive game or only 1 game until the sc sf? 

 

The question should be asked again imo but with the premise that all games will be bcd this season. 

 

I'd also  rather we played games than had a handful of forfeited games, not only for entertainment but for actually winning the league, if qos for example can't play, it means Dundee and ICT get 9 points and 9 goals as well v them. if the games are Forfieghted. 

 

We are heading for a farce, and what about Partick and Falkirk with the rest being PT. 

 

 

 

[Pasquale for King]

43 minutes ago, farin said:

 

The lower league clubs are kept afloat largely due to chairman’s deep pockets tbh, unlike us their overheads are much lower. Change at the top ? Turkeys don’t vote for Xmas. 😄👍🏻 

Indeed.

Nothing worse than these clubs that need wealthy investors and fans money to keep them going . . . . oh wait 🙈.

[Pasquale for King]

1 minute ago, neilnunb said:

Moyes tests positive for Covid-19

West Ham 0-0 Hull

West Ham United

West Ham have just released a statement saying manager David Moyes is one of three people to test positive for Covid-19.

Defender Issa Diop and midfielder Josh Cullen were the other two who returned positive tests and were withdrawn from this game around 45 minutes before kick-off.

West Ham said: "The club’s medical team were informed of the test results as the team were at London Stadium preparing for this evening’s Carabao Cup third round tie against Hull City.

"The manager and both players immediately left the stadium and have returned home.

"All three, who are asymptomatic, will now follow Public Health England and Premier League guidelines and protocols."

Might put his sacking back to about fireworks night. 

[neilnunb]

1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said:

Might put his sacking back to about fireworks night. 

 

🤣

[Paul Shark]

2 hours ago, Rods said:

Got to think the teams that rely on the OF pound such as St Johnstone, Killie and Hamilton are in big trouble. 

🤞

[Mikey1874]

1 hour ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

Yeah, 1 player sale will be the answer for them both. 

 

Interesting timing though. 

 

Transfer window closes in less than 2 weeks. 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

Right now, a ft league should be made up - hands up if you can afford testing and field a team bcd. 

Make a league of them. 

Ask the rest what they want to do. 

 

Partick are again at the real shiity end of the stick. 

Yeah that would be the common sense thing to do. 

[1971fozzy]

2 hours ago, Rods said:

Got to think the teams that rely on the OF pound such as St Johnstone, Killie and Hamilton are in big trouble. 

Hopefully

[1971fozzy]

1 hour ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

You can Tbh. 

 

SKY for example have given English football x billion for a season, if they can't distribute that fairly then no way should the government bail them out. 

 

Lots of restaurant and bar workers get minimum wage and you don't want a sharp increase in homeless, crime, etc and uc payments so the reason for suppporting these industries and people is completely different- economically and ethically. 

 

Arsenal binning staff to save £2m then signing a player for £20m on £100 k a week and giving another player £300k a week just highlights the issue of helping out football. 

bang on. Arsenal doing as you say, spurs with Bale etc etc . The EPL should get absolutely no help. Spunking money for the sake of it and laying off non playing staff on peanuts. 
A bit like Sevco and the other arse cheek. I’d also like to know how the vermin and the sheep have paid back players on deferred wages ? Both have signed players since their arse licking statements about not having wage cuts early on. Makes me feking sick. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 hour ago, JackLadd said:

 

If smaller clubs are going to the wall they will need help from someplace surely. An interest free or low repayment secured loan from Holyrood, not free money. Football is a community thing, it's not just another business.  

Couldn't disagree more. Football is just another business and doesn't deserve a penny of government money. There is enough cash swilling around in English Premiership to see all of their clubs survive, and it is up to them to arrange it.

 

In Scotland, not as much money but the clubs had the chance to sort things out in summer and refused to help each other, preferring instead to look after themselves only. That being the case, I for one object to one penny of tax payers money going to bail out these halfwitted incompetents.

[Lone Striker]

1 hour ago, farin said:

 

It was, then lower league clubs were told they didn’t have to test. What the clubs did with their share knowing this was the case is debatable. Suppose we’ll know soon enough 

Remind us.... which of the usual suspects made the decision that testing for non-Prem clubs was not compulsory ?

 

 

[Dirty Deeds]

5 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

bang on. Arsenal doing as you say, spurs with Bale etc etc . The EPL should get absolutely no help. Spunking money for the sake of it and laying off non playing staff on peanuts. 
A bit like Sevco and the other arse cheek. I’d also like to know how the vermin and the sheep have paid back players on deferred wages ? Both have signed players since their arse licking statements about not having wage cuts early on. Makes me feking sick. 

I'm guessing Hibs and Aberdeen have used season ticket money but money will be tight without cash walk ups.

[JackLadd]

7 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Couldn't disagree more. Football is just another business and doesn't deserve a penny of government money. There is enough cash swilling around in English Premiership to see all of their clubs survive, and it is up to them to arrange it.

 

In Scotland, not as much money but the clubs had the chance to sort things out in summer and refused to help each other, preferring instead to look after themselves only. That being the case, I for one object to one penny of tax payers money going to bail out these halfwitted incompetents.

 

I wasn't talking about English clubs tbh or their bloated horrible epl, just the smaller clubs in Scotland. 

[Boris]

13 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Couldn't disagree more. Football is just another business and doesn't deserve a penny of government money. There is enough cash swilling around in English Premiership to see all of their clubs survive, and it is up to them to arrange it.

 

In Scotland, not as much money but the clubs had the chance to sort things out in summer and refused to help each other, preferring instead to look after themselves only. That being the case, I for one object to one penny of tax payers money going to bail out these halfwitted incompetents.

This.

 

Yes, football is important to community, yet clubs weren't exactly communitarian in the way they handled things initially.

 

Not to mention that thousands of people are getting fecked over by this pandemic, giving taxpayers cash to clubs would be ridiculous.

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, JackLadd said:

 

If smaller clubs are going to the wall they will need help from someplace surely. An interest free or low repayment secured loan from Holyrood, not free money. Football is a community thing, it's not just another business.  

The Scottish Government is unlikely to have any spare money to be given out to any private business, part of the community or not. The U.K. government can borrow to loan money and they’ve done it for Rugby League teams. Whether I agree with that is a different thing altogether. 

[JamboBoy]

The cull of clubs throughout our whole structure in Scotland must now be imminent and under no circumstances must there be government hand outs either.  Let’s see the supporters of these clubs dig deep if their clubs mean so much to them, like us Jambos have done via season ticket purchases and FOH contributions.  Bye bye St Midden, Raith, Dundee, Hamilton, St J and Ayr United. None of you will be missed in the slightest. Karma is a wonderful thing you know!

Edited September 22, 2020 by JamboBoy

[Rods]

3 minutes ago, Boris said:

This.

 

Yes, football is important to community, yet clubs weren't exactly communitarian in the way they handled things initially.

 

Not to mention that thousands of people are getting fecked over by this pandemic, giving taxpayers cash to clubs would be ridiculous.

Exactly 

 

Dungcaster et all are expecting a big amount of money from Sky this should be used to keep clubs afloat. 
 

There is many more business that are in dire need of cash over selfish football clubs.

 

Pubs etc are just as much a part of the community as football teams. 

[oi oi]

2 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Shame the uglies will have to play behind closed doors, that should’ve happened years ago until their disgusting fans learn how to behave. 

Well said sir.  The only good thing about no fans is not having to listen to their bigoted bile on the TV.

[portobellojambo1]

1 hour ago, JackLadd said:

 

If smaller clubs are going to the wall they will need help from someplace surely. An interest free or low repayment secured loan from Holyrood, not free money. Football is a community thing, it's not just another business.  

Do recent events not tend to show that the vast majority of football clubs are very often just like any other business  and only interested in themselves in the main, but have the ability to promote themselves as community clubs if it suits them.

[Byyy The Light]

2 hours ago, blairdin said:

 

I don't disagree with that, but I don't see why the government should bail out an industry with that amount of money and wealth swishing around. 

 

It's not the players fault, but if the money within the game down there was better distributed they wouldn't be at this by crossroads. I think professional football has to figure this out for themselves, and let the government prop up the grass root sports and facilities, along with sports like ice hockey (for example) where pro players earn "normal" wages more akin to us normal people. 

 

 

Totally agree. Just meant that it’s not up to players. It’s the governing bodies that need to sort it out. They should have been taking a big slice of the tv rights for years and keeping a slush fund and/or distributing it through the lower leagues 

[oi oi]

2 hours ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

That's what the 50 grand was supposed to be for.

Did some clubs (Edinburgh City spring to mind for some reason) not donate part or all of this cash to charities?

[Jamboelite]

Football needs to stand on its own two feet and not get any special treatment, unfortunately that may mean jobs are impacted.

[Tom Hardy’s Dug]

Does anyone know what the Uglies season ticket sales were like?

 

If around normal they will only lose out on hospitality surely?

[davemclaren]

23 minutes ago, Boris said:

This.

 

Yes, football is important to community, yet clubs weren't exactly communitarian in the way they handled things initially.

 

Not to mention that thousands of people are getting fecked over by this pandemic, giving taxpayers cash to clubs would be ridiculous.

Already have through furlow. Is it any different to music or drama in having a highly paid elite and most scraping by?

[SectionFJambo]

There is surely clubs wanting to mothball below the SPL. If this is the case I can see us running with less leagues for those who want (or have to) to play on. The issue with this for me might well be promotion/relegations being scrapped and us playing a league with no benefit.

 

Hard to understand how your average L1/L2 club can be that bad off. Say they have a weekly gate of 500 surely a streaming effort will not be too far off for them income wise.

[davemclaren]

2 minutes ago, farin said:

 

The blazers at the spfl. 

 

 

Ridiculous. 

[Neil Dongcaster]

I might be missing something, however my impression is that the JA money was to pay for testing?

[Rods]

5 minutes ago, SectionFJambo said:

There is surely clubs wanting to mothball below the SPL. If this is the case I can see us running with less leagues for those who want (or have to) to play on. The issue with this for me might well be promotion/relegations being scrapped and us playing a league with no benefit.

 

Hard to understand how your average L1/L2 club can be that bad off. Say they have a weekly gate of 500 surely a streaming effort will not be too far off for them income wise.

I think promotion and relegation are safe. The SPFL argued in court that it was fundamental to football. 

[oi oi]

1 hour ago, neilnunb said:

Moyes tests positive for Covid-19

West Ham 0-0 Hull

West Ham United

West Ham have just released a statement saying manager David Moyes is one of three people to test positive for Covid-19.

Defender Issa Diop and midfielder Josh Cullen were the other two who returned positive tests and were withdrawn from this game around 45 minutes before kick-off.

West Ham said: "The club’s medical team were informed of the test results as the team were at London Stadium preparing for this evening’s Carabao Cup third round tie against Hull City.

"The manager and both players immediately left the stadium and have returned home.

"All three, who are asymptomatic, will now follow Public Health England and Premier League guidelines and protocols."

That's the only positive thing about Davie Moyes

[Bazzas right boot]

11 minutes ago, farin said:

 

The blazers at the spfl. 

 

 

 

What a mish mash of pish and hope the best **** nugget policy. 

 

What if we catch it from a lower division team then the team gets wiped out before say we play hibs in the sf. 

 

Ridiculous and prejudice. 

 

As it is we could do everything right, play some shit team in the bet fred or league, catch it from the part time untested players with no knowledge then test before the sf and have the team go down with positive covid tests. 

 

What a ****ing farce. 

 

I hate Scottish football, still 50/50 whether to pack it in and become a epl fan boy. 

 

 

[Jamhammer]

5 minutes ago, oi oi said:

That's the only positive thing about Davie Moyes

Team missed him 😀 5-1

[Pasquale for King]

31 minutes ago, oi oi said:

Well said sir.  The only good thing about no fans is not having to listen to their bigoted bile on the TV.

Yeah hadn’t thought about that, will save our quarterly embarrassment on a wider than normal scale. 

[Pasquale for King]

7 minutes ago, oi oi said:

That's the only positive thing about Davie Moyes

Hahahahaha, my old man would say “imagine being stuck on a desert island with him” 😆😂. 

[henryheart]

I don't see First and Second Division clubs as being under significant threat if they play their cards right. Most are part time and players at that level are not daft - they know they are not the greatest and for most all they earn is pin money. Most players will accept being paid expenses for the season rather than not playing at all. The big threat is to lower league outfits that are full time and those Championship clubs that are full time and have no financial backing or reserves; players have greater expectations and frankly I don't know how these clubs make ends meet on 1-3,000 crowds as it is. 

[davemclaren]

17 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

What a mish mash of pish and hope the best **** nugget policy. 

 

What if we catch it from a lower division team then the team gets wiped out before say we play hibs in the sf. 

 

Ridiculous and prejudice. 

 

As it is we could do everything right, play some shit team in the bet fred or league, catch it from the part time untested players with no knowledge then test before the sf and have the team go down with positive covid tests. 

 

What a ****ing farce. 

 

I hate Scottish football, still 50/50 whether to pack it in and become a epl fan boy. 

 

 

You’ve taken that too far. 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, oi oi said:

Did some clubs (Edinburgh City spring to mind for some reason) not donate part or all of this cash to charities?

All the clubs had to use it for community projects or testing, and stipulate it before they could get it. 

[kingantti1874]

I know it’s the record but.. here we go!! 
 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/scottish-football-faces-catastrophic-collapse-22726226

[davemclaren]

2 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

I know it’s the record but.. here we go!! 
 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/scottish-football-faces-catastrophic-collapse-22726226

Last man standing wins the championship. 

[neilnunb]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/6075865/peterhead-mcinally-clubs-bust-christmas/

 

Christmas could be  lovely.

 

Cheerio, cheerio 👋