SPFL and Covid ( Leagues 1 and 2 to restart )

[Bazzas right boot]

It does not sit well but folk forget we are 2 games from a sc win as well. 

 

Imagine 

 

[indianajones]

4 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

It does not sit well but folk forget we are 2 games from a sc win as well. 

 

Imagine 

 

 

Win it and dump the thing off the forth brig. 

[RobNox]

5 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

Turnbull Hutton. I'd like to think he would have been on our side. He was a good man.

 

Yes, a man of integrity was Turnbull, and he had a brilliant name to boot.  Stood up against the proposal to allow Sevco into the Championship after fan power forced most of the Premiership clubs to prevent them being reinstated to the top flight (Mad Vlad being one of only two top flight club owners / chairmen to come out against the proposal to reinstate the new huns before fan power changed most of the rest of their minds.  The then Dundee Utd owner was the only other to publicly object to Rangers being allowed back into the top flight as if nothing had happened, can't remember his name, I think like Turnbull Hutton he has has sadly passed away since then, his son took the reigns before the current American owners took charge.)

 

Actually, I think the Dundee Utd guy was called Eddie Thompson, I remember now because we used to have a centre half with the same name back in the day. (Back in the day being late 60s early 70s)  Any of the youngsters on here thinking we are currently shite, believe me, you do not comprehend the meaning of a shite Hearts team if you did not endure the 70s and very early 80s. 

[graygo]

2 hours ago, EarnockJambo said:

The National Clinical Director said as recently as last Saturday that anyone with a wedding booked in October would be very unlikely to have a full complement of guests(you'd imagine around 250 people max). Quite a few lower-league clubs are literally banking on fans being allowed in from October onwards... what a shame if that doesn't happen, eh?

 

He said it was unlikely to have 50 at a wedding reception in October.

[Dagger Is Back]

24 minutes ago, RobNox said:

 

Absolutely!  We've had a good relationship for 60 years, but it would be a shame if our decision to stab Hearts in the back would cause Hearts fans to ruin that relationship.  Like it's Hearts fans fault if the relationship is ruined!!!

 

That to me is the same as being married for 30 years, then finding out your wife has been cheating on you, then she turns around to say it would be a shame if you let that ruin your relationship.

 

Any relationship we had with Raith Rovers (and many other scumbag clubs) ended the moment they voted to shaft us.  

Yip imagine that. How incredulous is it that Hearts fans would even think about not coming over here and giving us their money

 

Make no mistake, if they could find a disciplinary charge to stuff us with, they would 

[Jamie3lb]

32 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said:

Harsh he (Jambo poet) was only expressing his feelings not literally stating what folks should do. Think his post deserves respect because he’s only saying what many think!

Some of it does, I admitted that. 

[RobNox]

5 hours ago, ramrod said:

This is going to be huge for Ann the way she plays this going forward. 

If she plays the bigger person routine , which is the easiest way to go and tries to cosy back up to the clubs that shafted us , she is seriously misjudging the debts of feeling yet again amongst  the Hearts fans . 

This is massive for her now and me along with many other Hearts fans will be watching and listening very carefully  for her opinions going forward . 

 

I know that Ann is a woman of integrity, She has consistently conducted herself, and represented our club, in a manner that we should be proud of, whether we agree with her or not all the time.

 

However, I read something in her statement after this diabolical decision was upheld, that suggests she might have reached a turning point.  She was quite scathing of the clubs who voted in self interest and even more so of that ^^^^ Doncaster with his self congratulatory statement.

 

I really hope that Ann understands the feelings of us fans, and also understands that to attempt to lay out olive branches to those that were happy to shaft us will not be accepted.  I have a feeling that she does understand and possibly even shares those feelings.  Time will tell.

[fila]

This thread should be done for just now, put it in the past, never forget tho, we can review it again after the next season when we take the SPFL by storm 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

39 minutes ago, fila said:

This thread should be done for just now, put it in the past, never forget tho, we can review it again after the next season when we take the SPFL by storm 

Or when a second wave comes and the farce restarts.

[fila]

5 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Or when a second wave comes and the farce restarts.

Indeed, but don't talk of second waves, I am in QLD and thats us just got two confirmed cases from people returning from Vic and lying about where they had been 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

4 minutes ago, fila said:

Indeed, but don't talk of second waves, I am in QLD and thats us just got two confirmed cases from people returning from Vic and lying about where they had been 

Ha! Imagine being in plague city like me, thanks to security guards deciding that shagging Covid positive returned travellers was a good idea and spreading it to their families.

[fila]

23 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Ha! Imagine being in plague city like me, thanks to security guards deciding that shagging Covid positive returned travellers was a good idea and spreading it to their families.

 

I would be seething as well, Good Luck 

[Aussie Jambo]

1 hour ago, fila said:

Indeed, but don't talk of second waves, I am in QLD and thats us just got two confirmed cases from people returning from Vic and lying about where they had been 

NSW will be next.

[DETTY29]

4 hours ago, indianajones said:

 

Win it and dump the thing off the forth brig. 

Key is somehow to swap the real one that is presented to the winners with the replica that the clubs receive for the year.

Edited July 29, 2020 by DETTY29

[stuart500]

Somewhat ironic that the Rat Rovers chairman describes this as a nuclear incident but hopes things can just get back to normal.

 

Does he not realise nuclear incidents cause dangerous fallout that lasts for many years?

 

That's the only thing that will be heading his way for a long long time because the fans won't be.

 

 

[fila]

2 hours ago, Aussie Jambo said:

NSW will be next.

 

Not looking great at the moment , more hot spots than the sun 

[Martin_T]

7 hours ago, RobNox said:

 

So he thinks we won't react badly to one incident, while admitting it was a nuclear incident.  A bit like President Truman saying he doesn't think the **** will react badly to a couple of bombs being dropped on them.

 

Sorry to be a pedant, but FTFY

[TheBigO]

8 hours ago, Jambo-Fox said:

You won’t like me saying this but .... I’m rarely in Scotland but whenever I am and Hearts are playing I’ll be there! It’s basically simple as, I just want to watch and support Hearts! I’m sure I’m not the only person that feels like that!

So after treating our club the way they have, you're comfortable just rocking up and handing them £25. And a pie and a bovril, yeah?

 

No chance mate. We all love watching Hearts. Sacrifice is part of activism. We NEED to show these scumbags that voting to have us in their league was a bad move.

 

I'm usually pretty placid, but for me anyone paying to attend an away game outwith ICT, is letting us down.

[Deevers]

Just wait until the second spike of the virus plays Merry Hell with The Premier League games with teams going into quarantine and unable to fulfil fixtures and Sky’s schedule going to pot. Financial Armageddon beckons for some in there, absolutely no doubt about that.

[argyjambo]

I see that the CAS have seen fit to publish the findings of their arbitration of Man Cities FFP case. Yet the SFA''s stance is that their tribunals findings are to be confidential. Lord Clark stated (I think) that in cases of significant public interest, it should be published. Why on earth can't the legal reasons for the panel coming to the conclusion they did, not be open for all to read and understand. I get it that, because it was on a matter of company law, it has to be confidential if both parties disagree re confidentiality.

Surely this is a matter of public interest. I'd love to see massive pressure by fans, clubs & media to bring pressure to bear on the SFA to make the reasons for the panels findings public. What have they got to hide? Why no transparency? I wonder if, our devolved govt fund any part of the SFA or its programmes? If so, they should be demanding answers.

Commercially sensitive material, figures and panel members names would be redacted, but there is no good reason why the legal arguments and relevant sections of law pertaining to the decision are kept secret, unless of course, the corrupt want their corruption kept hidden.

[Psychedelicropcircle]

You can be rest assured the “computer” will have us at Dundee away first outing to test our resolve!

 

a 2pm nap!

[Nookie Bear]

23 minutes ago, Psychedelicropcircle said:

You can be rest assured the “computer” will have us at Dundee away first outing to test our resolve!

 

a 2pm nap!

No fans allowed though. They can send us to ICT first if they want to punish us. 

[Debut 4]

48 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

So after treating our club the way they have, you're comfortable just rocking up and handing them £25. And a pie and a bovril, yeah?

 

No chance mate. We all love watching Hearts. Sacrifice is part of activism. We NEED to show these scumbags that voting to have us in their league was a bad move.

 

I'm usually pretty placid, but for me anyone paying to attend an away game outwith ICT, is letting us down.

Agree.  It’s time for the whole club to grow a pair.  If the team can’t handle going away from home trying to win in front of one man and his dog, they don’t deserve their wages.  

 

We all love going to the matches but I’ll be keeping my attendance for Tynie when the time comes we are allowed back. I’ve no problem with people going though, who is anyone to dictate to another person? But its my opinion ,just like yours, that it’d be good to see some sort of stance taken. 
 

 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

13 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

No fans allowed though. They can send us to ICT first if they want to punish us. 

If it is BCD at least Game 3 should generate crowds for ICT. It means we would have 2 away games against them and 1 home.

 

More likely, they will make sure we have 13 home and 14 away. Anything to maximise punishment in any way, shape or form.

[Rab Mac52]

At last, someone with balls - well maybe not. 
 

Moira Gordon: Vindication? SPFL should hang their heads in shame

Whole episode an embarrassment for Scottish football

Wednesday, 29th July 2020, 7:30 am - Moira Gordon The Scotsman

 

Following the findings of the arbitration process, the whole of Scottish football now has no alternative but to accept that the SPFL decision to demote Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer was not unlawful. Unpalatable and even unconscionable? Yes, to a large number of bemused, angry and frustrated onlookers that remains a more pertinent description. But, apparently, not unlawful.

It has been said that the law is an ass and in this case, despite proceedings taking place behind closed doors, its asinine qualities were front and centre.

By all legal measurements, the selfish decision to call a halt to the league season was sound but, let’s be honest, the ruling wasn’t a pungent enough air freshener. The whole thing still stinks to high heaven. The perfect example of being right while wrong. It is like comparing tax evasion with tax avoidance. One may be lawful but, in the eyes of many, it doesn’t make it any less morally corrupt.

Monday’s decision was greeted by a smug statement from the SPFL hierarchy which, given the horrendous predicament they have left some of their members in, and the likely human cost due to unavoidable job losses, lacked class. It did nothing to express disappointment or regret that two of their members had felt so let down that they were compelled to take legal action and no real apology or recognition that the financial burden has fallen unfairly on the shoulders of three of their members, having sacrificed them for the greater good. It was not a statement likely to smooth the waters ahead of the next campaign. It was also selective in its interpretation of events.

“I am absolutely delighted that our approach has been vindicated throughout, following an intense period of legal scrutiny and review,” said SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster, pictured.

Vindicated? Vindication would have come from a show of confidence in the SPFL board’s ability to handle another mess such as the one dredged up by the coronavirus pandemic. Instead, when a written resolution was circulated to clubs, suggesting power be transferred in the event of more Covid-related disruption, members denied them that authority. 

Why? Possibly because they know what happened this summer was not right. It just suited them better than the alternatives at the time. They know that may not be the case when trouble rolls around and they are the ones sitting bottom of the table with eight games remaining. Suddenly reconstruction or seeing the season out may feel like a viable option after all.

“It is regrettable that the league had to be concluded in the way that it was,” said SPFL chairman Murdoch MacLennan. “However, despite calls to the contrary from some parties, subsequent events, including the virtual shutdown of our entire country for months, confirm that there was no viable alternative. With contact training only being allowed to resume on 29 June, it was simply impossible for games to be played or for season 2019-20 to continue.”

Simply not true. If that was the case the 2019-2020 Scottish Cup would have been voided. Instead the SFA has decided to see things to a conclusion, opting to streamline this season’s tournament. 

That will be a major blow to the 60-odd clubs who miss out but at least everyone knows the parameters before a ball is kicked and the goalposts are not being moved during the contest. The league could have made the same decision if integrity and sportsmanship really meant something. But, this summer, only one thing spread quicker than the virus – self interest. 

So instead of finding a solution by which the league could be played out, people wailed about impracticalities and players being out of contract. But clubs start and finish seasons with different squads all the time, whether that be down to the January transfer window, injuries, managerial changes or the fact that loan deals and contracts expire midterm.

Television may have been the biggest obstacle – given that a streamlined season may mean fewer Old Firm clashes – but did anyone even raise the possibility or seek a similar solution?

Look at what we missed out on by not exploring all those options. In England there was drama right up to the last minute as teams battled for survival, for European places and their shot at moving up the ladder. And, in most cases, the final picture was very different from the one being painted with eight games to go. That is not to say that Hearts, Partick Thistle or Stranraer would have saved themselves but they should have been granted the opportunity to try. The fact they were not is the reason this season will always be an embarrassment for Scottish football.

Cynicism, sadly but understandably, coloured Hearts chairman Ann Budge’s statement, as she bemoaned the fact that “fellow member clubs and our governing bodies have stood back and allowed totally disproportionate financial damage to be imposed on three of its members”. She described it as shameful and she was spot on. She was also right to tackle their hypocrisy, fear and weakness.

“For too long, chairmen and owners have stood on the sidelines bemoaning the decision-making processes, the perceived lack of leadership, the lack of commercialism; the general shortcomings, as they see it, of Scottish football. However, if they really want things to change, it will take more than words. They will have to stand-up and be counted. 

“Sadly, I see little cause for optimism that things will improve any time soon in Scottish football. I hope I am wrong.”

That must be everyone’s hope but it is likely to be forlorn. Lasting damage was done to the game this summer and, if the SPFL see any vindication in that, then they should hang their heads in shame.

[gashauskis9]

1 hour ago, Deevers said:

Just wait until the second spike of the virus plays Merry Hell with The Premier League games with teams going into quarantine and unable to fulfil fixtures and Sky’s schedule going to pot. Financial Armageddon beckons for some in there, absolutely no doubt about that.

I look forward to the vote to end the season in November, with Rangers and Celtic tied on points.

[The Merse]

9 minutes ago, Rab Mac52 said:

At last, someone with balls - well maybe not. 
 

Moira Gordon: Vindication? SPFL should hang their heads in shame

Whole episode an embarrassment for Scottish football

Wednesday, 29th July 2020, 7:30 am - Moira Gordon The Scotsman

 

Following the findings of the arbitration process, the whole of Scottish football now has no alternative but to accept that the SPFL decision to demote Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer was not unlawful. Unpalatable and even unconscionable? Yes, to a large number of bemused, angry and frustrated onlookers that remains a more pertinent description. But, apparently, not unlawful.

It has been said that the law is an ass and in this case, despite proceedings taking place behind closed doors, its asinine qualities were front and centre.

By all legal measurements, the selfish decision to call a halt to the league season was sound but, let’s be honest, the ruling wasn’t a pungent enough air freshener. The whole thing still stinks to high heaven. The perfect example of being right while wrong. It is like comparing tax evasion with tax avoidance. One may be lawful but, in the eyes of many, it doesn’t make it any less morally corrupt.

Monday’s decision was greeted by a smug statement from the SPFL hierarchy which, given the horrendous predicament they have left some of their members in, and the likely human cost due to unavoidable job losses, lacked class. It did nothing to express disappointment or regret that two of their members had felt so let down that they were compelled to take legal action and no real apology or recognition that the financial burden has fallen unfairly on the shoulders of three of their members, having sacrificed them for the greater good. It was not a statement likely to smooth the waters ahead of the next campaign. It was also selective in its interpretation of events.

“I am absolutely delighted that our approach has been vindicated throughout, following an intense period of legal scrutiny and review,” said SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster, pictured.

Vindicated? Vindication would have come from a show of confidence in the SPFL board’s ability to handle another mess such as the one dredged up by the coronavirus pandemic. Instead, when a written resolution was circulated to clubs, suggesting power be transferred in the event of more Covid-related disruption, members denied them that authority. 

Why? Possibly because they know what happened this summer was not right. It just suited them better than the alternatives at the time. They know that may not be the case when trouble rolls around and they are the ones sitting bottom of the table with eight games remaining. Suddenly reconstruction or seeing the season out may feel like a viable option after all.

“It is regrettable that the league had to be concluded in the way that it was,” said SPFL chairman Murdoch MacLennan. “However, despite calls to the contrary from some parties, subsequent events, including the virtual shutdown of our entire country for months, confirm that there was no viable alternative. With contact training only being allowed to resume on 29 June, it was simply impossible for games to be played or for season 2019-20 to continue.”

Simply not true. If that was the case the 2019-2020 Scottish Cup would have been voided. Instead the SFA has decided to see things to a conclusion, opting to streamline this season’s tournament. 

That will be a major blow to the 60-odd clubs who miss out but at least everyone knows the parameters before a ball is kicked and the goalposts are not being moved during the contest. The league could have made the same decision if integrity and sportsmanship really meant something. But, this summer, only one thing spread quicker than the virus – self interest. 

So instead of finding a solution by which the league could be played out, people wailed about impracticalities and players being out of contract. But clubs start and finish seasons with different squads all the time, whether that be down to the January transfer window, injuries, managerial changes or the fact that loan deals and contracts expire midterm.

Television may have been the biggest obstacle – given that a streamlined season may mean fewer Old Firm clashes – but did anyone even raise the possibility or seek a similar solution?

Look at what we missed out on by not exploring all those options. In England there was drama right up to the last minute as teams battled for survival, for European places and their shot at moving up the ladder. And, in most cases, the final picture was very different from the one being painted with eight games to go. That is not to say that Hearts, Partick Thistle or Stranraer would have saved themselves but they should have been granted the opportunity to try. The fact they were not is the reason this season will always be an embarrassment for Scottish football.

Cynicism, sadly but understandably, coloured Hearts chairman Ann Budge’s statement, as she bemoaned the fact that “fellow member clubs and our governing bodies have stood back and allowed totally disproportionate financial damage to be imposed on three of its members”. She described it as shameful and she was spot on. She was also right to tackle their hypocrisy, fear and weakness.

“For too long, chairmen and owners have stood on the sidelines bemoaning the decision-making processes, the perceived lack of leadership, the lack of commercialism; the general shortcomings, as they see it, of Scottish football. However, if they really want things to change, it will take more than words. They will have to stand-up and be counted. 

“Sadly, I see little cause for optimism that things will improve any time soon in Scottish football. I hope I am wrong.”

That must be everyone’s hope but it is likely to be forlorn. Lasting damage was done to the game this summer and, if the SPFL see any vindication in that, then they should hang their heads in shame.

Excellent piece.

[The Real Maroonblood]

10 minutes ago, Rab Mac52 said:

At last, someone with balls - well maybe not. 
 

Moira Gordon: Vindication? SPFL should hang their heads in shame

Whole episode an embarrassment for Scottish football

Wednesday, 29th July 2020, 7:30 am - Moira Gordon The Scotsman

 

Following the findings of the arbitration process, the whole of Scottish football now has no alternative but to accept that the SPFL decision to demote Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer was not unlawful. Unpalatable and even unconscionable? Yes, to a large number of bemused, angry and frustrated onlookers that remains a more pertinent description. But, apparently, not unlawful.

It has been said that the law is an ass and in this case, despite proceedings taking place behind closed doors, its asinine qualities were front and centre.

By all legal measurements, the selfish decision to call a halt to the league season was sound but, let’s be honest, the ruling wasn’t a pungent enough air freshener. The whole thing still stinks to high heaven. The perfect example of being right while wrong. It is like comparing tax evasion with tax avoidance. One may be lawful but, in the eyes of many, it doesn’t make it any less morally corrupt.

Monday’s decision was greeted by a smug statement from the SPFL hierarchy which, given the horrendous predicament they have left some of their members in, and the likely human cost due to unavoidable job losses, lacked class. It did nothing to express disappointment or regret that two of their members had felt so let down that they were compelled to take legal action and no real apology or recognition that the financial burden has fallen unfairly on the shoulders of three of their members, having sacrificed them for the greater good. It was not a statement likely to smooth the waters ahead of the next campaign. It was also selective in its interpretation of events.

“I am absolutely delighted that our approach has been vindicated throughout, following an intense period of legal scrutiny and review,” said SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster, pictured.

Vindicated? Vindication would have come from a show of confidence in the SPFL board’s ability to handle another mess such as the one dredged up by the coronavirus pandemic. Instead, when a written resolution was circulated to clubs, suggesting power be transferred in the event of more Covid-related disruption, members denied them that authority. 

Why? Possibly because they know what happened this summer was not right. It just suited them better than the alternatives at the time. They know that may not be the case when trouble rolls around and they are the ones sitting bottom of the table with eight games remaining. Suddenly reconstruction or seeing the season out may feel like a viable option after all.

“It is regrettable that the league had to be concluded in the way that it was,” said SPFL chairman Murdoch MacLennan. “However, despite calls to the contrary from some parties, subsequent events, including the virtual shutdown of our entire country for months, confirm that there was no viable alternative. With contact training only being allowed to resume on 29 June, it was simply impossible for games to be played or for season 2019-20 to continue.”

Simply not true. If that was the case the 2019-2020 Scottish Cup would have been voided. Instead the SFA has decided to see things to a conclusion, opting to streamline this season’s tournament. 

That will be a major blow to the 60-odd clubs who miss out but at least everyone knows the parameters before a ball is kicked and the goalposts are not being moved during the contest. The league could have made the same decision if integrity and sportsmanship really meant something. But, this summer, only one thing spread quicker than the virus – self interest. 

So instead of finding a solution by which the league could be played out, people wailed about impracticalities and players being out of contract. But clubs start and finish seasons with different squads all the time, whether that be down to the January transfer window, injuries, managerial changes or the fact that loan deals and contracts expire midterm.

Television may have been the biggest obstacle – given that a streamlined season may mean fewer Old Firm clashes – but did anyone even raise the possibility or seek a similar solution?

Look at what we missed out on by not exploring all those options. In England there was drama right up to the last minute as teams battled for survival, for European places and their shot at moving up the ladder. And, in most cases, the final picture was very different from the one being painted with eight games to go. That is not to say that Hearts, Partick Thistle or Stranraer would have saved themselves but they should have been granted the opportunity to try. The fact they were not is the reason this season will always be an embarrassment for Scottish football.

Cynicism, sadly but understandably, coloured Hearts chairman Ann Budge’s statement, as she bemoaned the fact that “fellow member clubs and our governing bodies have stood back and allowed totally disproportionate financial damage to be imposed on three of its members”. She described it as shameful and she was spot on. She was also right to tackle their hypocrisy, fear and weakness.

“For too long, chairmen and owners have stood on the sidelines bemoaning the decision-making processes, the perceived lack of leadership, the lack of commercialism; the general shortcomings, as they see it, of Scottish football. However, if they really want things to change, it will take more than words. They will have to stand-up and be counted. 

“Sadly, I see little cause for optimism that things will improve any time soon in Scottish football. I hope I am wrong.”

That must be everyone’s hope but it is likely to be forlorn. Lasting damage was done to the game this summer and, if the SPFL see any vindication in that, then they should hang their heads in shame.

Very good article.

I would expect the so called pundits on BBC Glasgow to have similar thoughts.

[Gordon Ramsay]

12 minutes ago, Rab Mac52 said:

At last, someone with balls - well maybe not. 
 

Moira Gordon: Vindication? SPFL should hang their heads in shame

Whole episode an embarrassment for Scottish football

Wednesday, 29th July 2020, 7:30 am - Moira Gordon The Scotsman

 

Following the findings of the arbitration process, the whole of Scottish football now has no alternative but to accept that the SPFL decision to demote Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer was not unlawful. Unpalatable and even unconscionable? Yes, to a large number of bemused, angry and frustrated onlookers that remains a more pertinent description. But, apparently, not unlawful.

It has been said that the law is an ass and in this case, despite proceedings taking place behind closed doors, its asinine qualities were front and centre.

By all legal measurements, the selfish decision to call a halt to the league season was sound but, let’s be honest, the ruling wasn’t a pungent enough air freshener. The whole thing still stinks to high heaven. The perfect example of being right while wrong. It is like comparing tax evasion with tax avoidance. One may be lawful but, in the eyes of many, it doesn’t make it any less morally corrupt.

Monday’s decision was greeted by a smug statement from the SPFL hierarchy which, given the horrendous predicament they have left some of their members in, and the likely human cost due to unavoidable job losses, lacked class. It did nothing to express disappointment or regret that two of their members had felt so let down that they were compelled to take legal action and no real apology or recognition that the financial burden has fallen unfairly on the shoulders of three of their members, having sacrificed them for the greater good. It was not a statement likely to smooth the waters ahead of the next campaign. It was also selective in its interpretation of events.

“I am absolutely delighted that our approach has been vindicated throughout, following an intense period of legal scrutiny and review,” said SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster, pictured.

Vindicated? Vindication would have come from a show of confidence in the SPFL board’s ability to handle another mess such as the one dredged up by the coronavirus pandemic. Instead, when a written resolution was circulated to clubs, suggesting power be transferred in the event of more Covid-related disruption, members denied them that authority. 

Why? Possibly because they know what happened this summer was not right. It just suited them better than the alternatives at the time. They know that may not be the case when trouble rolls around and they are the ones sitting bottom of the table with eight games remaining. Suddenly reconstruction or seeing the season out may feel like a viable option after all.

“It is regrettable that the league had to be concluded in the way that it was,” said SPFL chairman Murdoch MacLennan. “However, despite calls to the contrary from some parties, subsequent events, including the virtual shutdown of our entire country for months, confirm that there was no viable alternative. With contact training only being allowed to resume on 29 June, it was simply impossible for games to be played or for season 2019-20 to continue.”

Simply not true. If that was the case the 2019-2020 Scottish Cup would have been voided. Instead the SFA has decided to see things to a conclusion, opting to streamline this season’s tournament. 

That will be a major blow to the 60-odd clubs who miss out but at least everyone knows the parameters before a ball is kicked and the goalposts are not being moved during the contest. The league could have made the same decision if integrity and sportsmanship really meant something. But, this summer, only one thing spread quicker than the virus – self interest. 

So instead of finding a solution by which the league could be played out, people wailed about impracticalities and players being out of contract. But clubs start and finish seasons with different squads all the time, whether that be down to the January transfer window, injuries, managerial changes or the fact that loan deals and contracts expire midterm.

Television may have been the biggest obstacle – given that a streamlined season may mean fewer Old Firm clashes – but did anyone even raise the possibility or seek a similar solution?

Look at what we missed out on by not exploring all those options. In England there was drama right up to the last minute as teams battled for survival, for European places and their shot at moving up the ladder. And, in most cases, the final picture was very different from the one being painted with eight games to go. That is not to say that Hearts, Partick Thistle or Stranraer would have saved themselves but they should have been granted the opportunity to try. The fact they were not is the reason this season will always be an embarrassment for Scottish football.

Cynicism, sadly but understandably, coloured Hearts chairman Ann Budge’s statement, as she bemoaned the fact that “fellow member clubs and our governing bodies have stood back and allowed totally disproportionate financial damage to be imposed on three of its members”. She described it as shameful and she was spot on. She was also right to tackle their hypocrisy, fear and weakness.

“For too long, chairmen and owners have stood on the sidelines bemoaning the decision-making processes, the perceived lack of leadership, the lack of commercialism; the general shortcomings, as they see it, of Scottish football. However, if they really want things to change, it will take more than words. They will have to stand-up and be counted. 

“Sadly, I see little cause for optimism that things will improve any time soon in Scottish football. I hope I am wrong.”

That must be everyone’s hope but it is likely to be forlorn. Lasting damage was done to the game this summer and, if the SPFL see any vindication in that, then they should hang their heads in shame.

 

Someone with a functioning brain. At last. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

Just now, Gordon Ramsay said:

 

Someone with a functioning brain. At last. 

A rare thing in the media.

[adso7]

13 minutes ago, Rab Mac52 said:

At last, someone with balls - well maybe not. 
 

Moira Gordon: Vindication? SPFL should hang their heads in shame

Whole episode an embarrassment for Scottish football

Wednesday, 29th July 2020, 7:30 am - Moira Gordon The Scotsman

 

Following the findings of the arbitration process, the whole of Scottish football now has no alternative but to accept that the SPFL decision to demote Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer was not unlawful. Unpalatable and even unconscionable? Yes, to a large number of bemused, angry and frustrated onlookers that remains a more pertinent description. But, apparently, not unlawful.

It has been said that the law is an ass and in this case, despite proceedings taking place behind closed doors, its asinine qualities were front and centre.

By all legal measurements, the selfish decision to call a halt to the league season was sound but, let’s be honest, the ruling wasn’t a pungent enough air freshener. The whole thing still stinks to high heaven. The perfect example of being right while wrong. It is like comparing tax evasion with tax avoidance. One may be lawful but, in the eyes of many, it doesn’t make it any less morally corrupt.

Monday’s decision was greeted by a smug statement from the SPFL hierarchy which, given the horrendous predicament they have left some of their members in, and the likely human cost due to unavoidable job losses, lacked class. It did nothing to express disappointment or regret that two of their members had felt so let down that they were compelled to take legal action and no real apology or recognition that the financial burden has fallen unfairly on the shoulders of three of their members, having sacrificed them for the greater good. It was not a statement likely to smooth the waters ahead of the next campaign. It was also selective in its interpretation of events.

“I am absolutely delighted that our approach has been vindicated throughout, following an intense period of legal scrutiny and review,” said SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster, pictured.

Vindicated? Vindication would have come from a show of confidence in the SPFL board’s ability to handle another mess such as the one dredged up by the coronavirus pandemic. Instead, when a written resolution was circulated to clubs, suggesting power be transferred in the event of more Covid-related disruption, members denied them that authority. 

Why? Possibly because they know what happened this summer was not right. It just suited them better than the alternatives at the time. They know that may not be the case when trouble rolls around and they are the ones sitting bottom of the table with eight games remaining. Suddenly reconstruction or seeing the season out may feel like a viable option after all.

“It is regrettable that the league had to be concluded in the way that it was,” said SPFL chairman Murdoch MacLennan. “However, despite calls to the contrary from some parties, subsequent events, including the virtual shutdown of our entire country for months, confirm that there was no viable alternative. With contact training only being allowed to resume on 29 June, it was simply impossible for games to be played or for season 2019-20 to continue.”

Simply not true. If that was the case the 2019-2020 Scottish Cup would have been voided. Instead the SFA has decided to see things to a conclusion, opting to streamline this season’s tournament. 

That will be a major blow to the 60-odd clubs who miss out but at least everyone knows the parameters before a ball is kicked and the goalposts are not being moved during the contest. The league could have made the same decision if integrity and sportsmanship really meant something. But, this summer, only one thing spread quicker than the virus – self interest. 

So instead of finding a solution by which the league could be played out, people wailed about impracticalities and players being out of contract. But clubs start and finish seasons with different squads all the time, whether that be down to the January transfer window, injuries, managerial changes or the fact that loan deals and contracts expire midterm.

Television may have been the biggest obstacle – given that a streamlined season may mean fewer Old Firm clashes – but did anyone even raise the possibility or seek a similar solution?

Look at what we missed out on by not exploring all those options. In England there was drama right up to the last minute as teams battled for survival, for European places and their shot at moving up the ladder. And, in most cases, the final picture was very different from the one being painted with eight games to go. That is not to say that Hearts, Partick Thistle or Stranraer would have saved themselves but they should have been granted the opportunity to try. The fact they were not is the reason this season will always be an embarrassment for Scottish football.

Cynicism, sadly but understandably, coloured Hearts chairman Ann Budge’s statement, as she bemoaned the fact that “fellow member clubs and our governing bodies have stood back and allowed totally disproportionate financial damage to be imposed on three of its members”. She described it as shameful and she was spot on. She was also right to tackle their hypocrisy, fear and weakness.

“For too long, chairmen and owners have stood on the sidelines bemoaning the decision-making processes, the perceived lack of leadership, the lack of commercialism; the general shortcomings, as they see it, of Scottish football. However, if they really want things to change, it will take more than words. They will have to stand-up and be counted. 

“Sadly, I see little cause for optimism that things will improve any time soon in Scottish football. I hope I am wrong.”

That must be everyone’s hope but it is likely to be forlorn. Lasting damage was done to the game this summer and, if the SPFL see any vindication in that, then they should hang their heads in shame.

Waiting until it's too late to offer us some support. The media spin was completely against us through the whole process and did not help our cause. An article after its all been settled feels a bit like the RR chairman hoping to build bridges.

[Deevers]

1 minute ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

A rare thing in the media.

  No doubt the misogynistic fat clown from Ayr will have something to say about that.

Excellent summing up of things from Moira Gordon though. The game here is in complete disarray and the whole lot at the top need cleared out for good. Celtic running things assisted by their acolytes from minnow clubs and a blundering, slavering idiot as CEO being payed a kings ransom. An absolute joke. No wonder the game here is a laughing stock. 

[dallan]

Interestingly it takes another women to see it as it really is....

[TheBigO]

34 minutes ago, Debut 4 said:

Agree.  It’s time for the whole club to grow a pair.  If the team can’t handle going away from home trying to win in front of one man and his dog, they don’t deserve their wages.  

 

We all love going to the matches but I’ll be keeping my attendance for Tynie when the time comes we are allowed back. I’ve no problem with people going though, who is anyone to dictate to another person? But its my opinion ,just like yours, that it’d be good to see some sort of stance taken. 
 

 

Agreed bud.

 

Only thing is, and I can't help it, and I may mellow, but at the moment I see any Jambo giving a penny to another club as a scab, quite frankly.

[upgotheheads]

6 minutes ago, adso7 said:

Waiting until it's too late to offer us some support. The media spin was completely against us through the whole process and did not help our cause. An article after its all been settled feels a bit like the RR chairman hoping to build bridges.

 

An unfair response to an excellent article by Moira Gordon. Numerous journalists and commentators have said the same, just not as well. 

[XB52]

10 hours ago, Jambo-Fox said:

You won’t like me saying this but .... I’m rarely in Scotland but whenever I am and Hearts are playing I’ll be there! It’s basically simple as, I just want to watch and support Hearts! I’m sure I’m not the only person that feels like that!

I'm the same but different. Most of the year I'm in Turkey now but will not be going to any away game when I'm home unless it's Inverness 

[Jamie3lb]

11 minutes ago, Deevers said:

  No doubt the misogynistic fat clown from Ayr will have something to say about that.

Excellent summing up of things from Moira Gordon though. The game here is in complete disarray and the whole lot at the top need cleared out for good. Celtic running things assisted by their acolytes from minnow clubs and a blundering, slavering idiot as CEO being payed a kings ransom. An absolute joke. No wonder the game here is a laughing stock. 

It is a laughing stock. Don’t think many countries outside of Scotland give our league much notice anyway. 

[TexasAndy]

Yeah a good article from Moira Gordon but as someone mentioned, where was her support 2-3 months ago?    I'm looking for a decent Saturday newspaper that has good sport coverage, the Sun and Record are just comics with childish journalism.  Does anyone know of a good paper?  I would be tempted by the Scotsman but always thought that, along with EEN was very much aligned to the unwashed East of the city.

[Jamie3lb]

2 minutes ago, TexasAndy said:

Yeah a good article from Moira Gordon but as someone mentioned, where was her support 2-3 months ago?    I'm looking for a decent Saturday newspaper that has good sport coverage, the Sun and Record are just comics with childish journalism.  Does anyone know of a good paper?  I would be tempted by the Scotsman but always thought that, along with EEN was very much aligned to the unwashed East of the city.

There isn’t a good paper in Scotland anymore.

[jambogemz]

4 minutes ago, TexasAndy said:

Yeah a good article from Moira Gordon but as someone mentioned, where was her support 2-3 months ago?    I'm looking for a decent Saturday newspaper that has good sport coverage, the Sun and Record are just comics with childish journalism.  Does anyone know of a good paper?  I would be tempted by the Scotsman but always thought that, along with EEN was very much aligned to the unwashed East of the city.

TBF she has written at least one other article during this mess where she was advocating reconstruction. 

[TexasAndy]

Just now, Jamie3lb said:

There isn’t a good paper in Scotland anymore.

Yeah that's my fear.  I love a newspaper at the weekend.  We buy the i on a Saturday but the sport is 95% English.   

[Angry Haggis]

41 minutes ago, Rab Mac52 said:

At last, someone with balls - well maybe not. 
 

Moira Gordon: Vindication? SPFL should hang their heads in shame

Whole episode an embarrassment for Scottish football

Wednesday, 29th July 2020, 7:30 am - Moira Gordon The Scotsman

 

Following the findings of the arbitration process, the whole of Scottish football now has no alternative but to accept that the SPFL decision to demote Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer was not unlawful. Unpalatable and even unconscionable? Yes, to a large number of bemused, angry and frustrated onlookers that remains a more pertinent description. But, apparently, not unlawful.

It has been said that the law is an ass and in this case, despite proceedings taking place behind closed doors, its asinine qualities were front and centre.

By all legal measurements, the selfish decision to call a halt to the league season was sound but, let’s be honest, the ruling wasn’t a pungent enough air freshener. The whole thing still stinks to high heaven. The perfect example of being right while wrong. It is like comparing tax evasion with tax avoidance. One may be lawful but, in the eyes of many, it doesn’t make it any less morally corrupt.

Monday’s decision was greeted by a smug statement from the SPFL hierarchy which, given the horrendous predicament they have left some of their members in, and the likely human cost due to unavoidable job losses, lacked class. It did nothing to express disappointment or regret that two of their members had felt so let down that they were compelled to take legal action and no real apology or recognition that the financial burden has fallen unfairly on the shoulders of three of their members, having sacrificed them for the greater good. It was not a statement likely to smooth the waters ahead of the next campaign. It was also selective in its interpretation of events.

“I am absolutely delighted that our approach has been vindicated throughout, following an intense period of legal scrutiny and review,” said SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster, pictured.

Vindicated? Vindication would have come from a show of confidence in the SPFL board’s ability to handle another mess such as the one dredged up by the coronavirus pandemic. Instead, when a written resolution was circulated to clubs, suggesting power be transferred in the event of more Covid-related disruption, members denied them that authority. 

Why? Possibly because they know what happened this summer was not right. It just suited them better than the alternatives at the time. They know that may not be the case when trouble rolls around and they are the ones sitting bottom of the table with eight games remaining. Suddenly reconstruction or seeing the season out may feel like a viable option after all.

“It is regrettable that the league had to be concluded in the way that it was,” said SPFL chairman Murdoch MacLennan. “However, despite calls to the contrary from some parties, subsequent events, including the virtual shutdown of our entire country for months, confirm that there was no viable alternative. With contact training only being allowed to resume on 29 June, it was simply impossible for games to be played or for season 2019-20 to continue.”

Simply not true. If that was the case the 2019-2020 Scottish Cup would have been voided. Instead the SFA has decided to see things to a conclusion, opting to streamline this season’s tournament. 

That will be a major blow to the 60-odd clubs who miss out but at least everyone knows the parameters before a ball is kicked and the goalposts are not being moved during the contest. The league could have made the same decision if integrity and sportsmanship really meant something. But, this summer, only one thing spread quicker than the virus – self interest. 

So instead of finding a solution by which the league could be played out, people wailed about impracticalities and players being out of contract. But clubs start and finish seasons with different squads all the time, whether that be down to the January transfer window, injuries, managerial changes or the fact that loan deals and contracts expire midterm.

Television may have been the biggest obstacle – given that a streamlined season may mean fewer Old Firm clashes – but did anyone even raise the possibility or seek a similar solution?

Look at what we missed out on by not exploring all those options. In England there was drama right up to the last minute as teams battled for survival, for European places and their shot at moving up the ladder. And, in most cases, the final picture was very different from the one being painted with eight games to go. That is not to say that Hearts, Partick Thistle or Stranraer would have saved themselves but they should have been granted the opportunity to try. The fact they were not is the reason this season will always be an embarrassment for Scottish football.

Cynicism, sadly but understandably, coloured Hearts chairman Ann Budge’s statement, as she bemoaned the fact that “fellow member clubs and our governing bodies have stood back and allowed totally disproportionate financial damage to be imposed on three of its members”. She described it as shameful and she was spot on. She was also right to tackle their hypocrisy, fear and weakness.

“For too long, chairmen and owners have stood on the sidelines bemoaning the decision-making processes, the perceived lack of leadership, the lack of commercialism; the general shortcomings, as they see it, of Scottish football. However, if they really want things to change, it will take more than words. They will have to stand-up and be counted. 

“Sadly, I see little cause for optimism that things will improve any time soon in Scottish football. I hope I am wrong.”

That must be everyone’s hope but it is likely to be forlorn. Lasting damage was done to the game this summer and, if the SPFL see any vindication in that, then they should hang their heads in shame.

Succinct and bang on the cash. 

 

When the inevitable further local lockdowns/second wave hits in the winter months Scottish football is in line for another car crash. 

[TexasAndy]

Just now, jambogemz said:

TBF she has written at least one other article during this mess where she was advocating reconstruction. 

Cool I missed that which shows how easy it is to criticise online without the facts.

[Nookie Bear]

29 minutes ago, adso7 said:

Waiting until it's too late to offer us some support. The media spin was completely against us through the whole process and did not help our cause. An article after its all been settled feels a bit like the RR chairman hoping to build bridges.

I had a quick check and Moira has written a couple of pro-Hearts pieces over the last few months. 
 

I still believe the Evening News abdicated it’s responsibility to its largest local sports team. 

[doctor jambo]

5 minutes ago, Angry Haggis said:

Succinct and bang on the cash. 

 

When the inevitable further local lockdowns/second wave hits in the winter months Scottish football is in line for another car crash. 

We may play a dozen games in the championship season to come.

What are the penalties for being unable to field a team?

Because some of the smaller clubs won’t sustain this

[Jammy T]

Can someone clarify

 

If once the season starts before a game one team has Covid and the other hasn’t and the Covid team can’t fulfil their fixture does the other team get a 3-0 win.

 

Or have the rules been changed? I guess there is that rule where you can apply for a game to be postponed due to illness but if only one player has Covid that is only one illness.

[Jammy T]

2 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

We may play a dozen games in the championship season to come.

What are the penalties for being unable to field a team?

Because some of the smaller clubs won’t sustain this

Great minds 😉

[Tommy Brown]

10 minutes ago, TexasAndy said:

Yeah a good article from Moira Gordon but as someone mentioned, where was her support 2-3 months ago?    I'm looking for a decent Saturday newspaper that has good sport coverage, the Sun and Record are just comics with childish journalism.  Does anyone know of a good paper?  I would be tempted by the Scotsman but always thought that, along with EEN was very much aligned to the unwashed East of the city.

Surprised at her name on the article.

She had a good old pop at AB only being in the game 5 minutes and daring to cut players wages. Putting Nelms name forward as one of the top names to be listened to.

The only article I read before from her was dreadful.

[Jammy T]

I wonder if any particular team(s) might forge Covid test result certificates....

[Deevers]

1 minute ago, Jammy T said:

Can someone clarify

 

If once the season starts before a game one team has Covid and the other hasn’t and the Covid team can’t fulfil their fixture does the other team get a 3-0 win.

 

Or have the rules been changed? I guess there is that rule where you can apply for a game to be postponed due to illness but if only one player has Covid that is only one illness.

If one has the virus and been in contact with others at the club everybody would have to self isolate.  Going to fun watching how this pans out over the next few weeks