Diadora Van Basten Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 The longer it goes on the more I think we have won as Ann is more likely to keep the result under wraps until everything is resolved whilst the SFA/SPFL would have leaked the results. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
doctor jambo Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Spellczech said: Indeed - but how do you quantify those losses? If next season gets curtailed and there is no promotion, then the losses grow...This would still be a direct loss attributable to the April decision. Compensation sounds like the easy option but it is actually not...The easy option is no relegation, always has been. And the SPFL gets left to sort out what to do about DUFC etc which likely means reconstruction suddenly becomes more likely. DUFC are adamant that they dont want reconstruction under any circumstances. ANY circumstances, should be taken to include themselves relying on it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, Diadora Van Basten said: The longer it goes on the more I think we have won as Ann is more likely to keep the result under wraps until everything is resolved whilst the SFA/SPFL would have leaked the results. No, neither side would leak the results. Not in arbitration. It’s a really serious process and there would be consequences. When it’s done they’ll agree on a release time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kenbo Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Diadora Van Basten said: The longer it goes on the more I think we have won as Ann is more likely to keep the result under wraps until everything is resolved whilst the SFA/SPFL would have leaked the results. Exactly my thoughts - almost moist with anticipation...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Baxfee Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ruud Krol said: I have heard rumours (Saturday night pub chat) that a - Hearts/Thistle successful in arbitration b - Negotiations re: a compromise were ongoing. IF true, like you I didnt think there could be any 'bargaining position' from the SPFL side, they should be told the result is final and do what you are being told. (source was a friend of an ex Hearts player who is a friend of a current Hearts representative)🤪😆 I cant stand this. Even though it’s complete nonsense and we’re going to end up with heehaw, I can’t help but have a tiny bit of me think it might happen. I am going to be distraught Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neil Dongcaster Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Brave Hearts said: Alloa prick is the acting president of SFA in Petrie’s well-timed absence. so, in the style of McLennan the chairman of the SPFL, Mulraney just had a discussion with himself and then approved the arrangement. McArthur says he did not need to have a robust conversation with himself, nor wear any hats, to convince himself to make a decision on joining this sharing agreement The results will be out about 5 minutes after the panel reveal them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beast Boy Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, Spellczech said: Indeed - but how do you quantify those losses? If next season gets curtailed and there is no promotion, then the losses grow...This would still be a direct loss attributable to the April decision. Compensation sounds like the easy option but it is actually not...The easy option is no relegation, always has been. And the SPFL gets left to sort out what to do about DUFC etc which likely means reconstruction suddenly becomes more likely. Yes. Again I agree. Reconstruction has always been the most appropriate and fair way forwards, ever since the flawed resolution. Quite why the other teams brought this shit upon themselves out of some weird vindictive grudge towards us us is beyond me. Idiotic to to put themselves in this position purely out of a desire to harm us. I’m just talking about if there remains an impasse over reinstatement or reconstruction, and if compensation is deemed to be the way forwards. It would have to be compensation for our losses, and not just some compromise figure in the form of a speculative bribe. Would it not? I mean, I’m not an expert on these things, but I understand the meaning of the word compensation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NANOJAMBO Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said: Yes. They could query our figures, but they would need to show how they arrived at their own figures. I suspect our figures are going to be pretty accurate and clearly laid out. Some are even saying they are conservative. Aberdeen were talking loss of income of £400-500K for ONE game against Rangers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lone Striker Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Must be a 12pm briefing, no source just a gut feeling. Must it ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
doctor jambo Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, doctor jambo said: DUFC are adamant that they dont want reconstruction under any circumstances. ANY circumstances, should be taken to include themselves relying on it I'd love a statement that "following our success in reinstatement to the SPFL, we, of course, respect the express wishes of Dundee Utd that reconstruction should not happen." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spellczech Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: The Hun dossier is the equivalent of the Beano but surely this entire thing hinges on the Dundee vote Sorry, I actually only meant the bit where representatives of Partick and Stranraer told Rangers that Nelms had phoned them to talk about side-deals of reapportioning DUFC winnings to be unofficial parachute payments and discuss the prospect of "big hitter friendlies". This bit need not actually be called "Rangers Dossier" as Partick themselves are involved in the action. If the above was deemed admissable then it is dynamite, as it clearly shows bias and prejudice, and from the swing-voter too... Edited July 27, 2020 by Spellczech Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neilnunb Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 You can guarantee if the SPFL win then gobshites like the Raith chairman will be announcing it within 2mins. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
willie wallace Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 There is a lot of talk on here of having to settle for compensation even if the panel find in our favour. Also too many people appear quite to content to take the money and play in the championship. If the panel decides in our favour reinstatement should be the only option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bazman Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Out of curiosity I looked at the fixtures to see if the spfl computer didn't have Hibs/DUFC games both at home on the same day so it was easy to resolve if needed. First 2 games they are both at home so blows that theory out water Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fort Vallance Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hagar the Horrible said: I thought that at 10, then 11, now I think 5pm Friday, just to keep the torture going. Its going to be any time soon is it not? Briefs getting paid by the hour. They won't be in a hurry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NaturalOrder74 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Is there any particular reason people think it’s finished and results are waiting to be announced or is it all still just speculation ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruyff Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said: I would expect you are correct there. If it’s deemed impossible to reinstate us though, and compensation is the way it goes, then it has to be the amount we would be losing though, right? I mean it would have to be accurately calculated and not just some number plucked from Petrie’s tasch. Yep. The amount we have asked for will have been quantified and would have to be evidenced. If we win on those terms, then I doubt that they could fob us off with a much lower sum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clark Griswold Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, bazman said: Out of curiosity I looked at the fixtures to see if the spfl computer didn't have Hibs/DUFC games both at home on the same day so it was easy to resolve if needed. First 2 games they are both at home so blows that theory out water Noticed this too, it’s likely they intended it that way... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
milky_26 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, bazman said: Out of curiosity I looked at the fixtures to see if the spfl computer didn't have Hibs/DUFC games both at home on the same day so it was easy to resolve if needed. First 2 games they are both at home so blows that theory out water the first game for this season would not matter as there will not be any fans thus reduced/no policing rquired Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spellczech Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, NaturalOrder74 said: Is there any particular reason people think it’s finished and results are waiting to be announced or is it all still just speculation ? Just speculation. But I'm just guessing! Mwah-haha! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
heartyhub Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 It’s going to be a long day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NANOJAMBO Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, NaturalOrder74 said: Is there any particular reason people think it’s finished and results are waiting to be announced or is it all still just speculation ? Speculation/anticipation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GBJambo Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, bazman said: Out of curiosity I looked at the fixtures to see if the spfl computer didn't have Hibs/DUFC games both at home on the same day so it was easy to resolve if needed. First 2 games they are both at home so blows that theory out water Still easy to resolve as the games will be bcd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jammy T Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) If we have won it is every other member club the SPFL need to be negotiating with to agree reconstruction, not us. If we have won reinstatement there is no way we would be bought off. No way, having got that far. Calling complete bullshit on that. Edited July 27, 2020 by Jammy T Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nookie Bear Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, milky_26 said: the first game for this season would not matter as there will not be any fans thus reduced/no policing rquired A very good point! In theory, the old firm could play at home on the same day and it would not matter, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gmcjambo Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, bazman said: Out of curiosity I looked at the fixtures to see if the spfl computer didn't have Hibs/DUFC games both at home on the same day so it was easy to resolve if needed. First 2 games they are both at home so blows that theory out water So easy for them to have published a fixture list that could simply swap the teams - that said, with no fans in the grounds the 1st set of fixtures shouldn't be an issue? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: The Hun dossier is the equivalent of the Beano but surely this entire thing hinges on the Dundee vote While the Dundee vote fiasco may well end up being pivotal, there's more to be examined, and ruled upon, than that. The very basis of the resolution, itself, is questionable, in both the good faith and unfairly prejudicial aspects, and may well win it for us. Then there's the 'need' to call the league in order to facilitate early payment of prize money, and the fact the SPFL forgot/deliberately withheld the fact that ending the season early would cost the clubs TV money. All this, and so much more, could be a deciding, or contributing, factor. The Hun dossier may, or may not, help, but perhaps a statement from Robertson (which might depend on how TRFC really want to stick it up the SPFL) based on the dossier, just might help our case. Win or lose, we may never know the details, which is sad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lou Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, willie wallace said: There is a lot of talk on here of having to settle for compensation even if the panel find in our favour. Also too many people appear quite to content to take the money and play in the championship. If the panel decides in our favour reinstatement should be the only option. I think some would.like to see the financial knock on effect it will have on some clubs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bret the Hitman Hearts Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: I'd love a statement that "following our success in reinstatement to the SPFL, we, of course, respect the express wishes of Dundee Utd that reconstruction should not happen." please God let it happen 🙏🤣 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruickie's Moustache Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Starting to get ridiculous now! However the longer it goes on then (hopefully) the better for us. As discussed last week, if it was a clear win for the SPFL the decision would surely have been made by now. 'Move along please, nothing to see here'. It is a three person panel so a 2:1 majority finalises it either way. As with one of the earlier decisions in the Rangers EBT case, the panel, for clarity, could simply outline to the parties the majority and minority views but go with the majority decision. Game over. Given we are now days away from the start of the Premiership season it must surely be coming down to the panel having difficulties with point of laws (to avoid challenges in the CoS by both sides of the argument) or trying to resolve the issue of compensation. However can the SPFL and the Calpol 3 really go to the CoS as they essentially argued footballing matters should be decided within the games rules?? I could be wrong but the fact it is taking so long seems to point to us having some form of a case, both in terms of sporting integrity and corporate law, that was definitely worthy of pursuing, regardless of the final result. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jumper Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said: Is there any particular reason people think it’s finished and results are waiting to be announced or is it all still just speculation ? I'll be the first to speculate it is all just speculation. Not ITK though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robbo-Jambo Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Harry Potter said: Hold the nerve, ive been to the toilet twice already 😵. 🤣 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spellczech Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Yep. The amount we have asked for will have been quantified and would have to be evidenced. If we win on those terms, then I doubt that they could fob us off with a much lower sum. It really helps that we had a lovely new stand with some corporate facilities last season...Our increased Turnover of £3m last year would just be the start position - then you have player contract situation inc payoffs, lower ticket prices (which you would probably be allowed to claim at full value regardless of stadium closure), corporate, sponsorship, fewer visiting fans etc etc. I believe you could easily justify £8m for a claim and it would be hard to argue down... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jim747 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 If Hearts and Partick win this case, and I hope to hell they do, will the season kick-off be cancelled this Saturday? We are at the minute a "Championship" club and therefor have not been allowed any pre-season training as a team. Unfair on us, and the fixture list would have to be re-written asap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bmxweeman Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Is it too late to apply for an interdict? That would be sh*thousing of the highest order 🤣 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ex member of the SaS Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, willie wallace said: There is a lot of talk on here of having to settle for compensation even if the panel find in our favour. Also too many people appear quite to content to take the money and play in the championship. If the panel decides in our favour reinstatement should be the only option. Agree, no way should we accept Championship next season without guarantees which they can't provide. They can't tell when or if it will kick off, they can't tell how many games will be played and they can't say whether or not promotion under any circumstances will happen. The ONLY outcome we should be entertaining is reinstatement and allow them to negotiate how to keep the rest happy. If DDutd or anyone else doesn't get the promotion they thought they deserve then they can only look at themselves and how they voted in the reconstruction debate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Feldy Jambo Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, jim747 said: If Hearts and Partick win this case, and I hope to hell they do, will the season kick-off be cancelled this Saturday? We are at the minute a "Championship" club and therefor have not been allowed any pre-season training as a team. Unfair on us, and the fixture list would have to be re-written asap. And we have players still furloughed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jambone Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Breaking: Decision to be announced at 3:01 on Saturday 1st August. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jim747 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, Feldy Jambo said: And we have players still furloughed I forgot about that bit, Robbie mentioned it in an interview last weekend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lemongrab Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, bmxweeman said: Is it too late to apply for an interdict? That would be sh*thousing of the highest order 🤣 If this is to turn out unfavourable for us, and there was reason for Hearts to return to the COS, I'd love an interdict to be issued. On Friday afternoon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jambo61 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Must be a 12pm briefing, no source just a gut feeling. My feeling is 2pm! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Awbdy Oot Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, bazman said: Out of curiosity I looked at the fixtures to see if the spfl computer didn't have Hibs/DUFC games both at home on the same day so it was easy to resolve if needed. First 2 games they are both at home so blows that theory out water Not a problem when the games are BCD. Edit: As said already by Tom, Harry and a few Dicks. 😉😁 Edited July 27, 2020 by graygo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ex member of the SaS Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, milky_26 said: the first game for this season would not matter as there will not be any fans thus reduced/no policing rquired After reinstatement the first game or two is postponed as we require time to train and get some game time. Celtic have used this postponement rule to play diddy games abroad so it can't be hard to do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whyskey Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, willie wallace said: There is a lot of talk on here of having to settle for compensation even if the panel find in our favour. Also too many people appear quite to content to take the money and play in the championship. If the panel decides in our favour reinstatement should be the only option. what will be will be Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swavkav Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 We need an McCoisit type of scream, but with different words! ”what is happening the people need to know” Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruyff Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Spellczech said: It really helps that we had a lovely new stand with some corporate facilities last season...Our increased Turnover of £3m last year would just be the start position - then you have player contract situation inc payoffs, lower ticket prices (which you would probably be allowed to claim at full value regardless of stadium closure), corporate, sponsorship, fewer visiting fans etc etc. I believe you could easily justify £8m for a claim and it would be hard to argue down... Indeed. The only part we may have to re-quantify would be for the loss of revenue due to no fans being allowed in the stadiums at the moment. That's the same for everyone and not due to the decision to demote us. Of course, that may have already been factored in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jamboinglasgow Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 I do think any announcement will be released by the SFA as a standard announcement. there wont be a press conference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neil Dongcaster Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, jamboinglasgow said: I do think any announcement will be released by the SFA as a standard announcement. there wont be a press conference. Agreed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewB Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, graygo said: Not a problem when the games are BCD. Edit: As said already by Tom, Harry and a few Dicks. 😉😁 Post of the day. With apologies to anyone who did post in response. You may not actually be a "Richard" but plenty of folk have been recently. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobboM Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, jambone said: Breaking: Decision to be announced at 3:01 on Saturday 1st August. **** that I'm not setting the alarm to get up in the middle of the night Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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