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Just now, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


I’m not going to name names but I could list several posters of a positive persuasion who have tried to position themselves as experts on this matter and have consistently been wrong with projections which, if not stated as fact, were stated as informed opinions. Two or three in particular.

Doesn't get past the lack of argument put forward by the doomsayers, nor the suggestion that any optimism is idiotic. By all means, if anyone has genuine cause to believe we've lost, then let us know and tell us what information you have that the rest of us don't. Even if it's just a bad feeling, it's fine to share it, as long as it's made clear that's all it is. Look at the negative posts that has sparked this exchange and point to one that gives any justification for it's point, then tell me it was a point worth making.

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1 hour ago, MCW1976 said:

A lot of fans now getting to the point of fatigue. There’s too much talk of moving on and accepting our fate, as it allows us to plan, etc.

 

This is exactly what the SPFL have been waiting for. They expected it sooner, but we dug our heels in.

 

So, why go through everything we’ve been through, just to allow fatigue to win the day.

 

It sounds like a lot of fans are actually prepared to ‘take their medicine’ in order for clarity.

 

No way! Don’t roll over now! Remember how you felt 6 weeks ago. Nothing has changed.

 

I understand the desire to move on. I want to move on too, but not by just stepping to one side.

 

Why fight this hard to just give up now.

 

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1 minute ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


I think it would be a reasonable comment tbh. If we do lose then at some stage we have to move on.

 

But as an aside, when this is done Budge needs to answer for the utterly shite management of the club this season. That is a totally separate issue to the SPFL behaving like dicks.


This is the real crux behind many of the negative posts. Let’s be honest for a change. 

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13 minutes ago, Saint Jambo said:

 

I do worry about the reaction of some fans if we lose and Budge says something like "while we still believe we have been very unfairly treated we have pursued all legal options and will now focus fully on ensuring we are promoted back to our rightful place at the first opportunity". I'd like to think the vast majority of fans will accept that if we don't take it further it is because there are no other options. But I expect some will use it as an excuse to go back to attacking Budge and the club.

Agree. She’s a woman etc etc

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manaliveits105

some folks glass is half full - some folks glass is half empty 

some folk smash their glass then post on jkb 

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1 hour ago, Lfhearts said:

Yes but am not a fantasist like most kbers who actually believe there will be reconstruction, get in the real world it's all about money.

Yeap - all about the cash

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AllyjamboDerbyshire
Just now, manaliveits105 said:

some folks glass is half full - some folks glass is half empty 

some folk smash their glass then post on jkb 

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1 minute ago, manaliveits105 said:

some folks glass is half full - some folks glass is half empty 

some folk smash their glass then post on jkb 

Sums up the place perfectly.

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Italian Lambretta
13 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said:

It must’ve been nice to have had that opportunity 

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Aye but Hearts were shite they deserved to go down they should just take your medicine and all that blah blah

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WorldChampions1902
1 minute ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


This is the real crux behind many of the negative posts. Let’s be honest for a change. 

I totally agree.

 

A good example is the volume of posts that repeatedly wanted AB to go for early interdict or criticised her for engaging with recon or slagged her off for not instituting court proceeding much earlier. I (and others) consistently explained that AB was absolutely doing the right thing.

 

Lord Clark subsequently  praised the club for how it had conducted itself, to the point that it was beyond reproach.

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6 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


:spoton:

 

Some of the misplaced arrogant grandstanding on this thread is incredible. Folk who know no more than anyone else trying to condescend to others. 🙄

 

Exactly, no one knows what will happen, or what has happened. Some may have knowledge of law and arbitration due to their work and those people have been helping give some understanding but not saying what will happen.

 

No one knows, though it does feel a test of how you naturally think over whether people predict positive or negative outcomes.

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23 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said:

It must’ve been nice to have had that opportunity 

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and similarly, we should Never Give Up our fight to correct the wrong that has been done to Partick Thistle, Stranraer and us

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Saint Jambo said:

 

I do worry about the reaction of some fans if we lose and Budge says something like "while we still believe we have been very unfairly treated we have pursued all legal options and will now focus fully on ensuring we are promoted back to our rightful place at the first opportunity". I'd like to think the vast majority of fans will accept that if we don't take it further it is because there are no other options. But I expect some will use it as an excuse to go back to attacking Budge and the club.

 

Go online to any covid discussion and you'll be bombarded with people ranting about masks and lockdown and what have you. You'd be forgiven for thinking it's a majority opinion, yet you go to the supermarket and find everyone quietly getting on with their day and doing what they're meant to do, with the odd exception of course.

 

It's the same here, no matter what happens there'll always be a very vocal minority who are pissed off and want to make sure the whole world knows it, and there's nothing can be done about it, it's inevitable. 

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The Old Tolbooth
7 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

I totally agree.

 

A good example is the volume of posts that repeatedly wanted AB to go for early interdict or criticised her for engaging with recon or slagged her off for not instituting court proceeding much earlier. I (and others) consistently explained that AB was absolutely doing the right thing.

 

Lord Clark subsequently  praised the club for how it had conducted itself, to the point that it was beyond reproach.

 

Absolutely bang on the cash mate, she had to go down the road that she did to make it look this way in the judges eyes as well, she couldn't have just tried to cause carnage from the start without turning over every stone first, otherwise we'd have been laughed out of the courtroom, we have a fighting chance because of her actions. 

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1 hour ago, MCW1976 said:

A lot of fans now getting to the point of fatigue. There’s too much talk of moving on and accepting our fate, as it allows us to plan, etc.

 

This is exactly what the SPFL have been waiting for. They expected it sooner, but we dug our heels in.

 

So, why go through everything we’ve been through, just to allow fatigue to win the day.

 

It sounds like a lot of fans are actually prepared to ‘take their medicine’ in order for clarity.

 

No way! Don’t roll over now! Remember how you felt 6 weeks ago. Nothing has changed.

 

I understand the desire to move on. I want to move on too, but not by just stepping to one side.

 

Why fight this hard to just give up now.

 

🇱🇻

Spot on 👍

 

We have come this far. 

 

Time to hold the nerve now. 

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1 minute ago, martoon said:

Someone last night claimed there was a 10am press conf. Not true, I suppose? 


Guess you’ll find out in 7 minutes

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The Old Tolbooth
2 minutes ago, martoon said:

Someone last night claimed there was a 10am press conf. Not true, I suppose? 

 

I think it's been decided that the presser is about the Scottish Cup, no danger they're going to make an announcement over the arbitration result. 

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3 minutes ago, Brave Hearts said:


 

 

and similarly, we should Never Give Up our fight to correct the wrong that has been done to Partick Thistle, Stranraer and us

 

 

Correct 

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6 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

I totally agree.

 

A good example is the volume of posts that repeatedly wanted AB to go for early interdict or criticised her for engaging with recon or slagged her off for not instituting court proceeding much earlier. I (and others) consistently explained that AB was absolutely doing the right thing.

 

Lord Clark subsequently  praised the club for how it had conducted itself, to the point that it was beyond reproach.


When the vote for the SPFL resolution passed and Budge headed up the reconstruction group, I was dismayed. To my mind I could not see how we could fight our expulsion whilst accepting it and entering in to talks on reconstruction. Turns out I was wrong. Most on this thread have been wrong about something during the process. Hasn’t stopped certain posters from positioning themselves as some kind of seer of future events.

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18 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

some folks glass is half full - some folks glass is half empty 

some folk smash their glass then post on jkb 

This

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1 minute ago, George Cowie said:


Guess you’ll find out in 7 minutes

 

😊

 

1 minute ago, The Old Tolbooth said:

 

I think it's been decided that the presser is about the Scottish Cup, no danger they're going to make an announcement over the arbitration result. 

 

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Dusk_Till_Dawn
19 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


This is the real crux behind many of the negative posts. Let’s be honest for a change. 


Hmm, maybe partly. You and I both know I don’t rate her.

 

I find it very odd that on the one hand people rage about the damage the SPFL are doing to us (and I don’t disagree with that) but on the other think a ceo who took us to the bottom of the league and lost control of the football side completely is doing a good job. It’s a contradiction.

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1 hour ago, Ski Nae said:

Some folk should just "away and boil yir heid". 

 

Patience. 😎

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2 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


When the vote for the SPFL resolution passed and Budge headed up the reconstruction group, I was dismayed. To my mind I could not see how we could fight our expulsion whilst accepting it and entering in to talks on reconstruction. Turns out I was wrong. Most on this thread have been wrong about something during the process. Hasn’t stopped certain posters from positioning themselves as some kind of seer of future events.

I think AB was acting in the spirit of utmost good faith towards the SPFL and member clubs, which is something they did not do towards us. If there's any justice that will weigh in our favour.

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1 minute ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


Hmm, maybe partly. You and I both know I don’t rate her.

 

I find it very odd that on the one hand people rage about the damage the SPFL are doing to us (and I don’t disagree with that) but on the other think a ceo who took us to the bottom of the league and lost control of the football side completely is doing a good job. It’s a contradiction.

Its not a contradiction - she did a poor job on the football side. Dont think many would disagree.

Now she is doing a good job on the legal side. Dont think many would disagree.

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3 minutes ago, lost in space said:

Its not a contradiction - she did a poor job on the football side. Dont think many would disagree.

Now she is doing a good job on the legal side. Dont think many would disagree.


She has handled this process professionally, I’m not denying that. But as if that’s a makeweight for overseeing a team who were bottom of a league as bad as the SPFL. 

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WorldChampions1902
8 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


Hmm, maybe partly. You and I both know I don’t rate her.

 

I find it very odd that on the one hand people rage about the damage the SPFL are doing to us (and I don’t disagree with that) but on the other think a ceo who took us to the bottom of the league and lost control of the football side completely is doing a good job. It’s a contradiction.

I am crystal clear on this.

 

AB has been key in putting us bottom of the league and TBF I believe she has put her hand up on that, especially her admission that she was loyal for too long to CL.

 

On the more pressing issue of us being expelled, I believe she has played things absolutely right. Whatever the pending announcement IMHO.

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Feldy Jambo

One thing that's been impressive is the lack of leaks coming from the Arbitration Panel. A lot of organisations could learn from this. 

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Harry Potter
13 minutes ago, Robbo-Jambo said:

Spot on 👍

 

We have come this far. 

 

Time to hold the nerve now. 

Hold the nerve, ive been to the toilet twice already 😵.

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Just listening to the 10am sports headlines on BBC Scotland. First up, will Morelos stay or go, then news of Lennon praising Griffiths for his attitude since being pulled up for his fitness. Then finally, a mention of Gary’s Anderson at the darts. 

 

Do these clowns really think that if they they don’t talk about arbitration it’ll just go away? The MSM are a ****ing joke, complicit by their actions. 

 

The whole thing is rotten to the core. 

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1 minute ago, Feldy Jambo said:

One thing that's been impressive is the lack of leaks coming from the Arbitration Panel. A lot of organisations could learn from this. 


Nobody would dare. Too much at stake and can’t be seen to be prejudicing it.

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1 minute ago, Mr Sifter said:

Just listening to the 10am sports headlines on BBC Scotland. First up, will Morelos stay or go, then news of Lennon praising Griffiths for his attitude since being pulled up for his fitness. Then finally, a mention of Gary’s Anderson at the darts. 

 

Do these clowns really think that if they they don’t talk about arbitration it’ll just go away? The MSM are a ****ing joke, complicit by their actions. 

 

The whole thing is rotten to the core. 

Aye bud.

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25 minutes ago, Italian Lambretta said:

Aye but Hearts were shite they deserved to go down they should just take your medicine and all that blah blah

 

But Villa should have been relegated, I mean they were one of the worst 3 teams in the league after 37 games, no way did they deserve to avoid relegation for drawing their final game.  The EPL is a laughing stock, they really need to appoint a visionary CEO like Neil Doncaster, then they might enjoy the same level of respect as the Scottish game rightly gets.

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Dagger Is Back

Not ITK at all but a mate told us last week that an initial offer of £4.5m was on the table. 
 

Time will tell


Whatever happens I think AB has met her promise to take this as far as she could so I hope everyone acknowledges that 

 

If it is £4.5m and not reinstatement would be beyond angry given the chances of 2 years in the Championship 

 

Still hoping for justice

 

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18 minutes ago, martoon said:

Someone last night claimed there was a 10am press conf. Not true, I suppose? 

Is it not normally today that the captains of all the teams are at Hampden to launch the season

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8 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


Hmm, maybe partly. You and I both know I don’t rate her.

 

I find it very odd that on the one hand people rage about the damage the SPFL are doing to us (and I don’t disagree with that) but on the other think a ceo who took us to the bottom of the league and lost control of the football side completely is doing a good job. It’s a contradiction.


For me, our plight on the field was down to a combination of factors. Budge was ultimately the top rung on the club’s ladder, but she has done a good job of the other things under her control, by doubling our turnover and attracting outside finance. The football side of things she has been let down by those she trusted to handle that side of things. I don’t find that comparable to the vindictive acts of the SPFL and it’s member clubs towards us.

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2 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

I am crystal clear on this.

 

AB has been key in putting us bottom of the league and TBF I believe she has put her hand up on that, especially her admission that she was loyal for too long to CL.

 

On the more pressing issue of us being expelled, I believe she has played things absolutely right. Whatever the pending announcement IMHO.

I have been clear for a year now.

 

I absolutely agree with your comments but her mismanagement putting us bottom precipitated the need for this legal challenge which has been played very well.  I still believe that after this legal process is over, she needs to go.

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21 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said:

 

Exactly, no one knows what will happen, or what has happened. Some may have knowledge of law and arbitration due to their work and those people have been helping give some understanding but not saying what will happen.

 

No one knows, though it does feel a test of how you naturally think over whether people predict positive or negative outcomes.

Absolutely.

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1 minute ago, Dagger Is Back said:

Not ITK at all but a mate told us last week that an initial offer of £4.5m was on the table. 
 

Time will tell


Whatever happens I think AB has met her promise to take this as far as she could so I hope everyone acknowledges that 

 

If it is £4.5m and not reinstatement would be beyond angry given the chances of 2 years in the Championship 

 

Still hoping for justice

 


£4.5m minus £1m to Thistle and £500k for our fine? 
 

£3m to accept being expelled from the division? I’d not be happy about that.

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If we win th case is it possible the tribunal rule you either reinstate Hearts or pay them x amount in compensation or is it likely they just order us to be reinstated or conversely award  us just compensation 

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The Old Tolbooth
5 minutes ago, Mr Sifter said:

Just listening to the 10am sports headlines on BBC Scotland. First up, will Morelos stay or go, then news of Lennon praising Griffiths for his attitude since being pulled up for his fitness. Then finally, a mention of Gary’s Anderson at the darts. 

 

Do these clowns really think that if they they don’t talk about arbitration it’ll just go away? The MSM are a ****ing joke, complicit by their actions. 

 

The whole thing is rotten to the core. 

 

My guess is that they've been told not to talk about it from a legal perspective mate, which would make sense. 

 

Also, can anyone tell me where this nonsense of 2 years in the Championship has come from? Surely if we do end up going down, and we win the league, then we come straight back up again, otherwise there's no point in actually playing the damn league in the first place. 

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3 minutes ago, Mr Sifter said:

Just listening to the 10am sports headlines on BBC Scotland. First up, will Morelos stay or go, then news of Lennon praising Griffiths for his attitude since being pulled up for his fitness. Then finally, a mention of Gary’s Anderson at the darts. 

 

Do these clowns really think that if they they don’t talk about arbitration it’ll just go away? The MSM are a ****ing joke, complicit by their actions. 

 

The whole thing is rotten to the core. 

Just heard the same, the amount of denial shown, is incredible. Not even a mention that the arbitration process is taking place. Season kicks off on Saturday is the only message.

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4 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said:

Not ITK at all but a mate told us last week that an initial offer of £4.5m was on the table. 
 

Time will tell


Whatever happens I think AB has met her promise to take this as far as she could so I hope everyone acknowledges that 

 

If it is £4.5m and not reinstatement would be beyond angry given the chances of 2 years in the Championship 

 

Still hoping for justice

 

We won’t get anywhere near that figure imo, closer to 2 million would be my guess.

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1 minute ago, Hungry hippo said:

Hard enough to keep up to date on this thread without it getting sidetracked into an Ann Budge debate.

It's easy to keep up with it. Nobody knows what is happening. 

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6 minutes ago, Mr Sifter said:

Just listening to the 10am sports headlines on BBC Scotland. First up, will Morelos stay or go, then news of Lennon praising Griffiths for his attitude since being pulled up for his fitness. Then finally, a mention of Gary’s Anderson at the darts. 

 

Do these clowns really think that if they they don’t talk about arbitration it’ll just go away? The MSM are a ****ing joke, complicit by their actions. 

 

The whole thing is rotten to the core. 

I always log on and look at the Gossip on the BBC Sports site.  99% of the days, 99% of  the stories are Celtic and Rangers ad nauseam and (since they quote the Courier), a token side from that region.

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Neil Dongcaster
2 minutes ago, 1874robbo said:

We won’t get anywhere near that figure imo, closer to 2 million would be my guess.


Closer to £500k my guess.

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Italian Lambretta
2 minutes ago, 1874robbo said:

We won’t get anywhere near that figure imo, closer to 2 million would be my guess.

According to what i heard we had been offered that figure before going to Arbritation.

Hearts knocked it back and went ahead with the Arbritation process. 

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