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4 minutes ago, Lfhearts said:

I have no agenda.

There will be no reconstruction

There will be no interdict

There will be minimal compensation

Anything other than these outcomes is a bonus, the club will hopefully come together once we all get on with it.

This. 

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Here we go again guys.I am a reinstatement only man and hopefully today will be the day.

Good luck everyone.

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8 minutes ago, Lfhearts said:

I have no agenda.

There will be no reconstruction

There will be no interdict

There will be minimal compensation

Anything other than these outcomes is a bonus, the club will hopefully come together once we all get on with it.

 

More than likely I would think. 

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18 minutes ago, Lfhearts said:

I have no agenda.

There will be no reconstruction

There will be no interdict

There will be minimal compensation

Anything other than these outcomes is a bonus, the club will hopefully come together once we all get on with it.


Just accept an unfair decision and suck it up?

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A lot of fans now getting to the point of fatigue. There’s too much talk of moving on and accepting our fate, as it allows us to plan, etc.

 

This is exactly what the SPFL have been waiting for. They expected it sooner, but we dug our heels in.

 

So, why go through everything we’ve been through, just to allow fatigue to win the day.

 

It sounds like a lot of fans are actually prepared to ‘take their medicine’ in order for clarity.

 

No way! Don’t roll over now! Remember how you felt 6 weeks ago. Nothing has changed.

 

I understand the desire to move on. I want to move on too, but not by just stepping to one side.

 

Why fight this hard to just give up now.

 

🇱🇻

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Dusk_Till_Dawn
21 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


You also don’t have a scooby doo about any of it, and everything you put there is nothing other than your opinion, stated as fact.


He’s hardly alone there tbf. People only get called out for it when they’re negative though.

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We're going to be awarded the SPFL title,   £1bn,   annual access to the Champions League,   daily access to the Victoria's Secret bursds,   the Nobel Peace Prize,   the moon,   a home delivery slot from Tesco.

 

If all this happens,   I'll not hesitate to tell you so.

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The Future's Maroon
7 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:


Just accept an unfair decision and suck it up?


Take our medicine as some would put it.

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5 minutes ago, MCW1976 said:

A lot of fans now getting to the point of fatigue. There’s too much talk of moving on and accepting our fate, as it allows us to plan, etc.

 

This is exactly what the SPFL have been waiting for. They expected it sooner, but we dug our heels in.

 

So, why go through everything we’ve been through, just to allow fatigue to win the day.

 

It sounds like a lot of fans are actually prepared to ‘take their medicine’ in order for clarity.

 

No way! Don’t roll over now! Remember how you felt 6 weeks ago. Nothing has changed.

 

I understand the desire to move on. I want to move on too, but not by just stepping to one side.

 

Why fight this hard to just give up now.

 

🇱🇻


Arbitration is supposed to be binding so unless there is some aspect of the arbitration process which allows us to return to court, I’m not sure what our next move would be.

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2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

We're going to be awarded the SPFL title,   £1bn,   annual access to the Champions League,   daily access to the Victoria's Secret bursds,   the Nobel Peace Prize,   the moon,   a home delivery slot from Tesco.

 

If all this happens,   I'll not hesitate to tell you so.

You’ve just taken that to far 

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2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

We're going to be awarded the SPFL title,   £1bn,   annual access to the Champions League,   daily access to the Victoria's Secret bursds,   the Nobel Peace Prize,   the moon,   a home delivery slot from Tesco.

 

If all this happens,   I'll not hesitate to tell you so.

Finally someone in the know wohooo

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1 minute ago, Victorian said:

We're going to be awarded the SPFL title,   £1bn,   annual access to the Champions League,   daily access to the Victoria's Secret bursds,   the Nobel Peace Prize,   the moon,   a home delivery slot from Tesco.

 

If all this happens,   I'll not hesitate to tell you so.


Celtic will want their ball back if true

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9 minutes ago, MCW1976 said:

A lot of fans now getting to the point of fatigue. There’s too much talk of moving on and accepting our fate, as it allows us to plan, etc.

 

This is exactly what the SPFL have been waiting for. They expected it sooner, but we dug our heels in.

 

So, why go through everything we’ve been through, just to allow fatigue to win the day.

 

It sounds like a lot of fans are actually prepared to ‘take their medicine’ in order for clarity.

 

No way! Don’t roll over now! Remember how you felt 6 weeks ago. Nothing has changed.

 

I understand the desire to move on. I want to move on too, but not by just stepping to one side.

 

Why fight this hard to just give up now.

 

🇱🇻

"Take their medicine" would suggest hearts and partick have done something  wrong and should accept punishment. I don't think that is applicable to this scenario 

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If it was as cut and dry a case it would be long over by now. If it does go in our favor but we do not get reinstated, then it should be fair financial recompense (our terms of fair and not the SPFL's)…..nothing minimal or marginal. As much as I really admire the club for pushing as far as they have done with this; to accept anything below par at this point will still be a loss in my eyes. Pride doesn't win prizes! We should fight this till the bitter end and milk them for every last drop. Screw em all!

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16 minutes ago, MCW1976 said:

A lot of fans now getting to the point of fatigue. There’s too much talk of moving on and accepting our fate, as it allows us to plan, etc.

 

This is exactly what the SPFL have been waiting for. They expected it sooner, but we dug our heels in.

 

So, why go through everything we’ve been through, just to allow fatigue to win the day.

 

It sounds like a lot of fans are actually prepared to ‘take their medicine’ in order for clarity.

 

No way! Don’t roll over now! Remember how you felt 6 weeks ago. Nothing has changed.

 

I understand the desire to move on. I want to move on too, but not by just stepping to one side.

 

Why fight this hard to just give up now.

 

🇱🇻

Reinstatement is all we want!!!

Hopefully today's the day🤞

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33 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

This. 

Some folk should just "away and boil yir heid". 

 

Patience. 😎

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32 minutes ago, Lfhearts said:

Yes but am not a fantasist like most kbers who actually believe there will be reconstruction, get in the real world it's all about money.


I think everyone is in the same boat tbh. Nobody knows. Some think hope we will get reconstruction, and others don’t. Until something is actually decided, nobody is right or wrong. For what it’s worth, I think it’ll be compensation in the end. I certainly wouldn’t rule out reconstruction though, and that precisely down to you being right about it all being about money.

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15 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


He’s hardly alone there tbf. People only get called out for it when they’re negative though.


No. Negative posters feeling hard put upon due to their negativity influencing their feelings. ;) 

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Nookie Bear
14 minutes ago, The Future's Maroon said:


Take our medicine as some would put it.


Yep. 
 

We will have to accept the final decision but the events of the last 4 months should hopefully focus our mindset when it comes to other clubs and the league for years to come. 

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5 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


I think everyone is in the same boat tbh. Nobody knows. Some think hope we will get reconstruction, and others don’t. Until something is actually decided, nobody is right or wrong. For what it’s worth, I think it’ll be compensation in the end. I certainly wouldn’t rule out reconstruction though, and that precisely down to you being right about it all being about money.

Recon is dead, and because the c3 voted it down they cannot scream out for it now.

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1 minute ago, Nookie Bear said:


Yep. 
 

We will have to accept the final decision but the events of the last 4 months should hopefully focus our mindset when it comes to other clubs and the league for years to come. 

Hopefully this. We will never forget how they behaved towards us. I feel we’ll get nothing from this as it’s Scottish football and it’s corrupt as feck.
 

We at least stood up to the bully boys of the SPFL and made some noise. Still proud of our club for how we behaved throughout all of this. 
 

HHGH

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Dusk_Till_Dawn
2 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


No. Negative posters feeling hard put upon due to their negativity influencing their feelings. ;) 


I suppose that could be true. I guess what I’ve learned from this saga is that if you’re Les Deans, you can make up any manner of shite and people will applaud you for it 👏 

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4 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Recon is dead, and because the c3 voted it down they cannot scream out for it now.


Disagree. If arbitration finds in our favour, and they say that we were unfairly expelled, leaving a choice of reconstruction or compensation, then the C3 are not going to want to lose more money. Clubs have no shame whatsoever when it comes to money, and they would happily do a 180 turn on their previous stance if it cost the least money.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Lemongrab said:

No word yet?

 

 

Funny that.  I'm sure the press would of tweeted/reported something if a press conference was planned.  

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hearts 4 the cup
45 minutes ago, Lfhearts said:

Yes but am not a fantasist like most kbers who actually believe there will be reconstruction, get in the real world it's all about money.


Bit harsh? Your view is clearly the pessimist view, the ones that believe we’ll get reconstruction are in the optimist camp. Not sure fantasist is fair and just stinks of someone provoking an argument.

 

I say this as someone who also believes we’ll be awarded compensation but nowhere near what we should get.

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2 minutes ago, I.T.K said:

 

 

Funny that.  I'm sure the press would of tweeted/reported something if a press conference was planned.  

Might not come in the form of a press conference - more likely just a press release. It would save some from possibly being asked embarrassing questions.

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2 minutes ago, I.T.K said:

 

 

Funny that.  I'm sure the press would of tweeted/reported something if a press conference was planned.  

Maybe, just maybe, I was joking? 😄

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I don't really get the belief that we are likely to get a small amount in compensation. It seems likely to me that we'll either get nothing or significant compensation (or reinstatement of course).

 

As I understand it...

 

We will only get any kind of decision in our favour if the SPFL are effectively deemed to have broken the law. If that happens we will only receive compensation if the SPFL successfully argue that rectifying the situation through reinstatement is not an option.

 

To then determine the compensation the panel will consider the scale of our losses as a result of the SPFL's illegal actions. This isn't like compensation for libel where the financial impact is hard to quantify. It isn't mediation where they are trying to find a solution to please all sides. They might assess the impact on us as less than £8m, but hard to see that they could calculate it as much less. Perhaps they would then try to make an adjustment for the possibility that we would have been relegated anyway. The BBC ran a story that they had got some academics to model the outcome and found less that 50% probability we would go down - so maybe half the figure. If we do get compensation I find it hard to see how they could come to a figure of less than £3m (calculate losses of £6m then cut in half).

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34 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


Arbitration is supposed to be binding so unless there is some aspect of the arbitration process which allows us to return to court, I’m not sure what our next move would be.


That is correct. However, the panel haven’t given their verdict yet ... so let’s remain indignant towards the people who forced us to go down this road in the first place.

 

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33 minutes ago, MCW1976 said:

A lot of fans now getting to the point of fatigue. There’s too much talk of moving on and accepting our fate, as it allows us to plan, etc.

 

This is exactly what the SPFL have been waiting for. They expected it sooner, but we dug our heels in.

 

So, why go through everything we’ve been through, just to allow fatigue to win the day.

 

It sounds like a lot of fans are actually prepared to ‘take their medicine’ in order for clarity.

 

No way! Don’t roll over now! Remember how you felt 6 weeks ago. Nothing has changed.

 

I understand the desire to move on. I want to move on too, but not by just stepping to one side.

 

Why fight this hard to just give up now.

 

🇱🇻

What's the hurry to 'move on' ? 

Unless we are reinstated our season doesn't begin until October. 

Plenty of time to take our case to the limit. 

The SPFL and the clubs that stitched us up will want to 'move on', it's in their interests to do so not ours. 

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Just now, Lfhearts said:

Yes but am not a fantasist like most kbers who actually believe there will be reconstruction, get in the real world it's all about money.

You know, I've not read one post in which anyone says, 'I believe there will be reconstruction', not one post that suggests we will 'definitely win'. Plenty of posts where people are overly optimistic, but most non-negative posts are cautious and acknowledge that, at best, it could go either way. On the other hand, this thread is full of extremely negative posts that are posted in a superior way that suggests anyone who doesn't agree with it is living in cloud cuckoo land, yet they never give evidenced justification for their negativity. It's a bit like betting against your team, if your team wins, then great, if it loses, well you've got the consolation of a few bob in you pocket and a right smart arse air when you tell your mates, who thought we'd win, you were right and they were wrong.

 

Now, I'm pretty sure Ann Budge and the rest of the board have had many a sleepless night over this, but throughout they've been much closer to the action than we could ever dream of and, regardless of any positive legal advice, have been in a position to end it at any time if it became obvious to them they were in a no win position. So how can it be that anyone on here can know better than them whether or not defeat is certain? Can anyone tell us how they know defeat is so certain and give us at least a clue where their inside information is coming from or what expertise in the fields of law and arbitration they hold? We could then have closed down the thread ages ago and told the board to get on with preparing for life in the Championship instead.

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1 minute ago, luckydug said:

What's the hurry to 'move on' ? 

Unless we are reinstated our season doesn't begin until October. 

Plenty of time to take our case to the limit. 

The SPFL and the clubs that stitched us up will want to 'move on', it's in their interests to do so not ours. 


I’m not sure this can be the indefinite fight you want it to be though. If we win or if we lose, arbitration will probably be final. It usually is.

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55 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:


probably decided to just give Celtic* the Cup

😂 Nothing would surprise me.

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Just now, AllyjamboDerbyshire said:

You know, I've not read one post in which anyone says, 'I believe there will be reconstruction', not one post that suggests we will 'definitely win'. Plenty of posts where people are overly optimistic, but most non-negative posts are cautious and acknowledge that, at best, it could go either way. On the other hand, this thread is full of extremely negative posts that are posted in a superior way that suggests anyone who doesn't agree with it is living in cloud cuckoo land, yet they never give evidenced justification for their negativity. It's a bit like betting against your team, if your team wins, then great, if it loses, well you've got the consolation of a few bob in you pocket and a right smart arse air when you tell your mates, who thought we'd win, you were right and they were wrong.

 

Now, I'm pretty sure Ann Budge and the rest of the board have had many a sleepless night over this, but throughout they've been much closer to the action than we could ever dream of and, regardless of any positive legal advice, have been in a position to end it at any time if it became obvious to them they were in a no win position. So how can it be that anyone on here can know better than them whether or not defeat is certain? Can anyone tell us how they know defeat is so certain and give us at least a clue where their inside information is coming from or what expertise in the fields of law and arbitration they hold? We could then have closed down the thread ages ago and told the board to get on with preparing for life in the Championship instead.


I’m not going to name names but I could list several posters of a positive persuasion who have tried to position themselves as experts on this matter and have consistently been wrong with projections which, if not stated as fact, were stated as informed opinions. Two or three in particular.

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10 minutes ago, hearts 4 the cup said:


Bit harsh? Your view is clearly the pessimist view, the ones that believe we’ll get reconstruction are in the optimist camp. Not sure fantasist is fair and just stinks of someone provoking an argument.

 

I say this as someone who also believes we’ll be awarded compensation but nowhere near what we should get.


:spoton:

 

Some of the misplaced arrogant grandstanding on this thread is incredible. Folk who know no more than anyone else trying to condescend to others. 🙄

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44 minutes ago, MCW1976 said:

A lot of fans now getting to the point of fatigue. There’s too much talk of moving on and accepting our fate, as it allows us to plan, etc.

 

This is exactly what the SPFL have been waiting for. They expected it sooner, but we dug our heels in.

 

So, why go through everything we’ve been through, just to allow fatigue to win the day.

 

It sounds like a lot of fans are actually prepared to ‘take their medicine’ in order for clarity.

 

No way! Don’t roll over now! Remember how you felt 6 weeks ago. Nothing has changed.

 

I understand the desire to move on. I want to move on too, but not by just stepping to one side.

 

Why fight this hard to just give up now.

 

🇱🇻

This 100%

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2 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


I’m not going to name names but I could list several posters of a positive persuasion who have tried to position themselves as experts on this matter and have consistently been wrong with projections which, if not stated as fact, were stated as informed opinions. Two or three in particular.

I suppose it makes the forum more interesting.

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1 minute ago, Harry Potter said:

😂 Nothing would surprise me.

If we win compensation one of the conditions would be we give half to Celtic.😂

just cos.

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1 minute ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


I’m not going to name names but I could list several posters of a positive persuasion who have tried to position themselves as experts on this matter and have consistently been wrong with projections which, if not stated as fact, were stated as informed opinions. Two or three in particular.

The Pandemic thread is another example with expert posters on Covid-19.

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3 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


I’m not sure this can be the indefinite fight you want it to be though. If we win or if we lose, arbitration will probably be final. It usually is.

 

I do worry about the reaction of some fans if we lose and Budge says something like "while we still believe we have been very unfairly treated we have pursued all legal options and will now focus fully on ensuring we are promoted back to our rightful place at the first opportunity". I'd like to think the vast majority of fans will accept that if we don't take it further it is because there are no other options. But I expect some will use it as an excuse to go back to attacking Budge and the club.

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5 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


I’m not going to name names but I could list several posters of a positive persuasion who have tried to position themselves as experts on this matter and have consistently been wrong with projections which, if not stated as fact, were stated as informed opinions. Two or three in particular.

Welcome to the Internet! 😉 You'll also find the complete opposite. People who position themselves as experts in naysaying anyone and everyone else. 😑 The rest of us are somewhere in between. 👍

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Just now, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


He’s hardly alone there tbf. People only get called out for it when they’re negative though.

I think what people tend to call out is unsupported negativity where it's stated in a way that suggests the doomsayer not only has knowledge the rest of us don't,  but that anyone who doesn't agree with them is an idiot. Having a bad feeling about something, or not trusting the SFA, SPFL, the arbitration panel, Uncle Tom Cobley or that the sun will rise tomorrow is not evidence and is not an argument, and if it's not even accompanied with a disclaimer that makes it clear it's only a gut feeling, then it is total BS and as worthless as the over-optimistic posts some of them deride.

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15 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


I’m not going to name names but I could list several posters of a positive persuasion who have tried to position themselves as experts on this matter and have consistently been wrong with projections which, if not stated as fact, were stated as informed opinions. Two or three in particular.


That’s not what he said. The difference is, there’s not been one poster I can think of who has said “we will get reconstruction from arbitration”.

 

All the condescension has come from a small group of individuals who bizarrely think they have some kind of inside track on proceedings at a behind closed doors arbitration process. I don’t include @David McCaig and a few others in this, as they have set out their opinions as opinions, and backed them up with evidence as to why they think what they do. Others however have been a dreadful read. Ridiculing others for asking questions and offering opinions on a topic that they themselves are no more clued up on than those they are mocking. 
 

 

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9 minutes ago, Saint Jambo said:

 

I do worry about the reaction of some fans if we lose and Budge says something like "while we still believe we have been very unfairly treated we have pursued all legal options and will now focus fully on ensuring we are promoted back to our rightful place at the first opportunity". I'd like to think the vast majority of fans will accept that if we don't take it further it is because there are no other options. But I expect some will use it as an excuse to go back to attacking Budge and the club.


I think it would be a reasonable comment tbh. If we do lose then at some stage we have to move on.

 

But as an aside, when this is done Budge needs to answer for the utterly shite management of the club this season. That is a totally separate issue to the SPFL behaving like dicks.

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7 minutes ago, AllyjamboDerbyshire said:

I think what people tend to call out is unsupported negativity where it's stated in a way that suggests the doomsayer not only has knowledge the rest of us don't,  but that anyone who doesn't agree with them is an idiot. Having a bad feeling about something, or not trusting the SFA, SPFL, the arbitration panel, Uncle Tom Cobley or that the sun will rise tomorrow is not evidence and is not an argument, and if it's not even accompanied with a disclaimer that makes it clear it's only a gut feeling, then it is total BS and as worthless as the over-optimistic posts some of them deride.


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