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3 minutes ago, Biffa Bacon said:

The picked representatives don't work for the side that pick them, they are neutral. Think of it like we pick a linesman and the spfl pick one too, the two linos then pick a ref. All officials are neutral to officiate the match.

 

SFA linesman and ref? :ermm:  You goofed that one :) 

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Mid Calder Jambo
3 minutes ago, Biffa Bacon said:

The picked representatives don't work for the side that pick them, they are neutral. Think of it like we pick a linesman and the spfl pick one too, the two linos then pick a ref. All officials are neutral to officiate the match.

Now there is a novel idea for Scottish Football going forward.  Neutrality ( the dictionary definition of which is "yer nae Celtic or yer nae Rangers"). A good idea but unlikely to happen in this religiously motivated cesspit they call Glasgow.

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4 minutes ago, steve123 said:

They admitted they had received it at 4.48 or whatever the time was before 5 , as far as I understood the judge he was taking that as an admission vote was recieved.

 

You are correct the time was 16:48.  It was not inferred if it was from quarantine or normal inbox.  Half truths worry me more than the ones they hide :) 

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jonnothejambo

Well there we have it. The English Premiership finishes and now the play offs are underway. FA Cup Final and Playoff Finals to follow then a break before they start again in September. 

 

Therefore they will start the new season down south one month before we start our campaign. 

 

While all that has been going on we have had dodgy votes and phonecalls and club owners and others shafting other clubs all to satisfy their self interest. 

 

Plus giving Celtic their 8.79 in a row.

 

Tin pot leagues,  tin pot governance. 

 

An utter disgrace and the procrastination goes on. 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, HMFC01 said:

 

You are correct the time was 16:48.  It was not inferred if it was from quarantine or normal inbox.  Half truths worry me more than the ones they hide :) 

I get ya I don't have a clue how this is going, I just don't think as cut and dry for them as some do !!

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16 minutes ago, harrywragg said:

I've no been called one yet thankfully!. .. us jags must be, on the sliding scale from Jambo to 'vermin', just on the right side of acceptable 😉

Aye, definitely on the good side.

Must be tough being in a city with the twin evils.

Plus people calling you Patrick!

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Just now, Willie Hamilton genius said:

Aye, definitely on the good side.

Must be tough being in a city with the twin evils.

Plus people calling you Patrick!

been called worse - put that down to spellcheckers btw

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5 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

Well there we have it. The English Premiership finishes and now the play offs are underway. FA Cup Final and Playoff Finals to follow then a break before they start again in September. 

 

Therefore they will start the new season down south one month before we start our campaign. 

 

While all that has been going on we have had dodgy votes and phonecalls and club owners and others shafting other clubs all to satisfy their self interest. 

 

Plus giving Celtic their 8.79 in a row.

 

Tin pot leagues,  tin pot governance. 

 

An utter disgrace and the procrastination goes on. 

 

 

 

 

Yep. We pay a CEO 388,000pa plus bonuses to oversee all of the above.

John Cleess/Connie Booth/John Sullivan/Jim Perry/David Croft et al would struggle to equal this for comedy value.

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10 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

Well there we have it. The English Premiership finishes and now the play offs are underway. FA Cup Final and Playoff Finals to follow then a break before they start again in September. 

 

Therefore they will start the new season down south one month before we start our campaign. 

 

While all that has been going on we have had dodgy votes and phonecalls and club owners and others shafting other clubs all to satisfy their self interest. 

 

Plus giving Celtic their 8.79 in a row.

 

Tin pot leagues,  tin pot governance. 

 

An utter disgrace and the procrastination goes on. 

 

 

 

 

Good Post 

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3 minutes ago, Smoked-Glass said:

Good Post 

I agree and wonder if everything else finishing is helping our case more than we could have ever dreamed at the start.

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31 minutes ago, harrywragg said:

I've no been called one yet thankfully!. .. us jags must be, on the sliding scale from Jambo to 'vermin', just on the right side of acceptable 😉

You’re just one notch under a Jambo HW and on the right side of very acceptable 😉

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24 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

Well there we have it. The English Premiership finishes and now the play offs are underway. FA Cup Final and Playoff Finals to follow then a break before they start again in September. 

 

Therefore they will start the new season down south one month before we start our campaign. 

 

While all that has been going on we have had dodgy votes and phonecalls and club owners and others shafting other clubs all to satisfy their self interest. 

 

Plus giving Celtic their 8.79 in a row.

 

Tin pot leagues,  tin pot governance. 

 

An utter disgrace and the procrastination goes on. 

 

 

 

 


Spot on Jonno 

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26 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

Well there we have it. The English Premiership finishes and now the play offs are underway. FA Cup Final and Playoff Finals to follow then a break before they start again in September. 

 

Therefore they will start the new season down south one month before we start our campaign. 

 

While all that has been going on we have had dodgy votes and phonecalls and club owners and others shafting other clubs all to satisfy their self interest. 

 

Plus giving Celtic their 8.79 in a row.

 

Tin pot leagues,  tin pot governance. 

 

An utter disgrace and the procrastination goes on. 

 

 

 

 

:spoton:

 

your first paragraph, they are finishing their leagues and cup competitions before starting their new season.

 

The one thing that they did do wrong was the way they stopped league 1 and 2 and relegated on ppg. something i am wondering is if there is going to be a legal challenge from teams like tranmere

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51 minutes ago, weegie jambo said:

Shettleston, middle class! have you ever been there. It's a dump and Helensburgh is a law unto itself. I would say that inner city regeneration has kept many middle class folk within the city boundaries, not to mention traditional "good areas, West End, Shawlands, Eastwood and gentrification areas like Denniston and Finniston.  THese Glasgow's a dump posts get my goat.

A mate of mine's g/f had a flat above the Drum(not sure if it's still there). The one and only time I've seen a guy get an absolute pasting from their missus down on the street below. 

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49 minutes ago, harrywragg said:

I've no been called one yet thankfully!. .. us jags must be, on the sliding scale from Jambo to 'vermin', just on the right side of acceptable 😉

 

 

Apart from the Catenaccio era of Bertie Auld I have always had a soft spot for the Jags.

 

 

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1 hour ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

It looks like @Jambo66 is indicating that in Scotland, legal precedent cannot be set by an Arbitration Panel. That being the case, your point around the vote in respect of Company law accept/reject yes/no does raise some serious Company Law questions that may require a legal precedent. Should the panel therefore conclude that is what required, CoS here we come.

 

McLaughlin twice yesterday said that he wouldn't rule out this going back to the CoS, he never expanded on his reasoning but was pretty forceful in making this point.

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Sky no issues with England delaying the start of next season.

 

Wonder if Doncaster even asked sky??

 

The mans a *****.

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4 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

McLaughlin twice yesterday said that he wouldn't rule out this going back to the CoS, he never expanded on his reasoning but was pretty forceful in making this point.

Maybe the people on the panel are not qualified to rule on the Dundee vote. Maybe a judge needs to rule/create a precedent ?

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12 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said:

Sky no issues with England delaying the start of next season.

 

Wonder if Doncaster even asked sky??

 

The mans a *****.

he can't even get a league sponsor so probably doesn't know how to contact them and just lets his master lawell do it

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9 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

McLaughlin twice yesterday said that he wouldn't rule out this going back to the CoS, he never expanded on his reasoning but was pretty forceful in making this point.

 

3 minutes ago, buzzbomb said:

Maybe the people on the panel are not qualified to rule on the Dundee vote. Maybe a judge needs to rule/create a precedent ?

 

That is a reasonable question, at least if no-one on the panel is of the standing of a judge.

 

If, for example, a "solicitor" on the panel ruled that the Dundee vote could be lawfully changed, in the absence of a weight of precedents, then such a ruling could possibly be challenged at the CoS on the basis of an "error of law".

 

If no panel member felt able to make such a call, and the decision was dependent on it,  then it would make sense to seek a legal "opinion from a serving judge.

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1 hour ago, Jambo66 said:

FWIW, I think that all 3 panelists will be legally qualified.  I would say that if the SPFL has picked someone with no legal training as their arbiter, that would be embarassing in the extreme and a further indication of their inability to understand how serious this whole matter is for the future of Scottish football.

 

I agree with you, I have no doubt that Hearts and Partick will have selected a panellist with the requisite legal experience to understand the nuances of the law and be able to look at case law and apply that to the arguments being made by each side's QCs.

 

If the SPFL was stupid enough to appoint someone without the necessary legal qualifications, then it almost becomes a two person panel, as their pick would simply not have the ability to contribute in a meaningful way when it comes to matters of law.  We only need to win 2-1, as we did in the preliminary hearing.  And as I've mentioned several times before, we only need to win on the balance of probabilities, not beyond all reasonable doubt which would apply in a criminal case.

 

I'm generally a glass half full kind of guy, and while I have no better idea of how this will play out than anyone else on here, I am optimistic that we will get a favourable outcome of some kind.  Whether that is my preferred outcome of reinstatement, or for some reason our demotion is upheld and we get a sizeable compensation.

 

I don't know in what circumstances the latter outcome might be applied, I have surmised that maybe the panel could determine that while it was wrong to demote us, to reinstate us at this time would actually cause more inconvenience to other clubs, so to avoid unnecessary collateral damage, they compensate us rather than reinstate us.  It would be good to hear the opinions of some of the more legally knowledgeable people on here as to whether that would be a valid consideration for the panel.  The fact that we included compensation as an alternative remedy to reinstatement suggests we were at least aware that 'winning' the case didn't automatically lead to reinstatement.  

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1 hour ago, steve123 said:

They admitted they had received it at 4.48 or whatever the time was before 5 , as far as I understood the judge he was taking that as an admission vote was recieved.

It genuinely makes absolutely no difference whatsoever when, or even if, the SPFL received Dundee's vote.  In law, all that matters is that it was sent to the correct email address by Dundee.  If that happened, it is deemed to have been cast at the moment it was sent by Dundee.

 

It appears that everyone accepts that it was sent to the correct email address by Dundee before 5 pm and the vote was to reject the resolution.

 

The only issue for the arbitration panel is whether or not, as a matter of law, Dundee were able to revoke their rejection.  The view of our QC is that they were not.  The SPFL and the Calpol Three will presumably have argued that they could.  That is really all there is to it as far as the first part of our Petition is concerned.

 

If our QC's arguments prevail, we win.  What should happen after that is reinstatement.  I believe that is what our QC will have argued.  I imagine that the Calpol Trhee will argue that compensation should be paid instead.  Christ knows what the position of the SPFL will be in that scenario.  They caused this by their dishonesty, but they surely cannot be happy with compensation being awarded unless they can successfully argue that it should be a tiny amount.

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2 minutes ago, Jambo66 said:

It genuinely makes absolutely no difference whatsoever when, or even if, the SPFL received Dundee's vote.  In law, all that matters is that it was sent to the correct email address by Dundee.  If that happened, it is deemed to have been cast at the moment it was sent by Dundee.

 

It appears that everyone accepts that it was sent to the correct email address by Dundee before 5 pm and the vote was to reject the resolution.

 

The only issue for the arbitration panel is whether or not, as a matter of law, Dundee were able to revoke their rejection.  The view of our QC is that they were not.  The SPFL and the Calpol Three will presumably have argued that they could.  That is really all there is to it as far as the first part of our Petition is concerned.

 

If our QC's arguments prevail, we win.  What should happen after that is reinstatement.  I believe that is what our QC will have argued.  I imagine that the Calpol Trhee will argue that compensation should be paid instead.  Christ knows what the position of the SPFL will be in that scenario.  They caused this by their dishonesty, but they surely cannot be happy with compensation being awarded unless they can successfully argue that it should be a tiny amount.

Cheers for that I have no idea how they pat compensation to an agreeable level

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1 hour ago, harrywragg said:

I've no been called one yet thankfully!. .. us jags must be, on the sliding scale from Jambo to 'vermin', just on the right side of acceptable 😉

 

You do yourself an injustice Harry.  The Jags are very much at the upper end of that scale.  I've always enjoyed an away day at Maryhill, very much the acceptable face of Glasgow football.  I'm sure if we end up in the same division again, which hopefully will be the premiership before long, then Maryhill will be rammed with Jambos, unlike a lot of other away grounds.

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1 hour ago, Mid Calder Jambo said:

Now there is a novel idea for Scottish Football going forward.  Neutrality ( the dictionary definition of which is "yer nae Celtic or yer nae Rangers"). A good idea but unlikely to happen in this religiously motivated cesspit they call Glasgow.

It was a theoretical example to show how the selected panel member does not work for us, rather than a justification of the neutrality of SFA officials. That is a whole new topic 😲

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8 minutes ago, RobNox said:

 

I agree with you, I have no doubt that Hearts and Partick will have selected a panellist with the requisite legal experience to understand the nuances of the law and be able to look at case law and apply that to the arguments being made by each side's QCs.

 

If the SPFL was stupid enough to appoint someone without the necessary legal qualifications, then it almost becomes a two person panel, as their pick would simply not have the ability to contribute in a meaningful way when it comes to matters of law.  We only need to win 2-1, as we did in the preliminary hearing.  And as I've mentioned several times before, we only need to win on the balance of probabilities, not beyond all reasonable doubt which would apply in a criminal case.

 

I'm generally a glass half full kind of guy, and while I have no better idea of how this will play out than anyone else on here, I am optimistic that we will get a favourable outcome of some kind.  Whether that is my preferred outcome of reinstatement, or for some reason our demotion is upheld and we get a sizeable compensation.

 

I don't know in what circumstances the latter outcome might be applied, I have surmised that maybe the panel could determine that while it was wrong to demote us, to reinstate us at this time would actually cause more inconvenience to other clubs, so to avoid unnecessary collateral damage, they compensate us rather than reinstate us.  It would be good to hear the opinions of some of the more legally knowledgeable people on here as to whether that would be a valid consideration for the panel.  The fact that we included compensation as an alternative remedy to reinstatement suggests we were at least aware that 'winning' the case didn't automatically lead to reinstatement.  

If the SPFL have selected a non-professional (in the legal sense) as their arbiter pick, I would wager they would NOT be impartial. 
I’m pretty sure he would be an SPFL ‘sympathiser’... I wonder if they really are that stupid? If this is the case, I would certainly consider them to be clutching at straws. 
However, the fact the process has gone on this length of time, suggests otherwise. 

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And he’s not praying!
25 minutes ago, jambopilms said:

I thought we were told many clubs would go to the wall. Whens that meant to be happening ?


Like many other companies across the land, when the furlough scheme ends the problems will begin. 

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21 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

 

 

That is a reasonable question, at least if no-one on the panel is of the standing of a judge.

 

If, for example, a "solicitor" on the panel ruled that the Dundee vote could be lawfully changed, in the absence of a weight of precedents, then such a ruling could possibly be challenged at the CoS on the basis of an "error of law".

 

If no panel member felt able to make such a call, and the decision was dependent on it,  then it would make sense to seek a legal "opinion from a serving judge.

Not only if no panel member could make such a call they'd need to agree on the call to proceed.

 

This is either going back to cos or is going to be an utter fudge of a stitch up.

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1 hour ago, jonnothejambo said:

Well there we have it. The English Premiership finishes and now the play offs are underway. FA Cup Final and Playoff Finals to follow then a break before they start again in September. 

 

Therefore they will start the new season down south one month before we start our campaign. 

 

While all that has been going on we have had dodgy votes and phonecalls and club owners and others shafting other clubs all to satisfy their self interest. 

 

Plus giving Celtic their 8.79 in a row.

 

Tin pot leagues,  tin pot governance. 

 

An utter disgrace and the procrastination goes on. 

 

 

 

 


spot on.

 

i also think this was a perfect opportunity to trial out next season as an ‘almost’ summer league. This would reach tv audiences that would not normally bother 

 

edit - I know this would clash with the proposed euros, but to be fair how many players in the SPFL would actually be going to that

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56 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

McLaughlin twice yesterday said that he wouldn't rule out this going back to the CoS, he never expanded on his reasoning but was pretty forceful in making this point.

I got the impression that Bian McLaughlin knew more than he was letting on for obvious reasons. He is very friendly with the Hearts board, Gary Locke and Jim Jefferies in particular. 

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1 minute ago, jamboinglasgow said:

So do people think the outcome will be announced tomorrow?

God I hope so. All this hanging around is doing my head in.

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Jamstomorrow
2 hours ago, Spellczech said:

Ha I always read it as Mainstream Scottish Media...

You could be right.  I am a bit dyslexic.   Well I used to be, but I am ko now!  ;)

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1 hour ago, milky_26 said:

 

 

your first paragraph, they are finishing their leagues and cup competitions before starting their new season.

 

The one thing that they did do wrong was the way they stopped league 1 and 2 and relegated on ppg. something i am wondering is if there is going to be a legal challenge from teams like tranmere

 

If there is a legal challenge it will have been cheaper damages than a big hitter from the Prem' or champ'.  I am almost certain they can afford a pay off to the L1 and L2.

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3 minutes ago, Jambo66 said:

God I hope so. All this hanging around is doing my head in.

Back to CoS Thursday and interdict not to start season.

 

Just imagine.

 

 

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Smith's right boot

If this drags on for more weeks I'm going to set something or someone on fire. 

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4 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Back to CoS Thursday and interdict not to start season.

 

Just imagine.

 

 

Richard Gordon would self combust.

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It's what they wanted to happen. Delay and wait for the season to start and hope there is nothing we can do about it. Sweep sweep.

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6 minutes ago, Jambo66 said:

Richard Gordon would self combust.

Reckon he would be to unwell to go on air.

Surely this week we must know?

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8 minutes ago, Jambo66 said:

Richard Gordon would self combust.

Not if smiths right boot gets to him first!!

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2 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said:

Not if smiths right boot gets to him first!!

That’s what I was thinking 😂😂

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19 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said:

So do people think the outcome will be announced tomorrow?

 

Going by the last 4 months of BS I think it's going back to CoS by Wednesday.  

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3 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

I was called one as well, cannae remember what for tho. 

 

 

 

Escapes me too, bud. 😉

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Geoff Kilpatrick

Six days before the new league season starts and this issue still hangs over the game, which could potentially stop kick off.

 

Scottish football gets the leadership it deserves. God, I hope we interdict to stop the season starting.

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2 hours ago, Normthebarman said:

I got called a Hobo for asking if we can say Beniusis is shite yet, after the Barcelona friendly game.

 

What did you call him after that game v. Hibs? 😂

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The Frenchman Returns

If the arbitration tribunal refer this to the CoS there goes the SFA fine

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50 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

I got the impression that Bian McLaughlin knew more than he was letting on for obvious reasons. He is very friendly with the Hearts board, Gary Locke and Jim Jefferies in particular. 


As much as I respect JJ and Locke, I would pay good money to listen to a podcast of those two discussing the legalities of this case 😁

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9 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Six days before the new league season starts and this issue still hangs over the game, which could potentially stop kick off.

 

Scottish football gets the leadership it deserves. God, I hope we interdict to stop the season starting.

Wouldn't you rather we just win our case and got re-instated? 😄

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