SPFL and Covid ( Leagues 1 and 2 to restart )

[maroonedinoz]

10 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Six days before the new league season starts and this issue still hangs over the game, which could potentially stop kick off.

 

Scottish football gets the leadership it deserves. God, I hope we interdict to stop the season starting.

I dunno, I'm a bit fed up now of all the politics tbh.

 

Just want us to get back to playing football asap.

[BackOfTheNet]

Sportscene already on the TV guides for Saturday night, advertising Craig Gordon as a pundit. It’s completely ludicrous that the situation is still pending.

 

And if it’s still pending come next Saturday then what? League starts and we just carry on going through legal proceedings that are to determine whether or not we should be kept in the league that’s already started? At this rate I genuinely don’t expect any sort of conclusion next week.

[Aussie Jambo]

[Sir Gio]

Playing golf today with a Raith fan who is quite embarrassed by his chairman and his attitude,  his desperate efforts,  while freely admitting anything could have happened and he was not convinced Raith would go up.

[steve123]

4 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:

Sportscene already on the TV guides for Saturday night, advertising Craig Gordon as a pundit. It’s completely ludicrous that the situation is still pending.

 

And if it’s still pending come next Saturday then what? League starts and we just carry on going through legal proceedings that are to determine whether or not we should be kept in the league that’s already started? At this rate I genuinely don’t expect any sort of conclusion next week.

In my legal opinion we would have to interdict, just to clarify my knowledge is less than 0  !!

[Sir Gio]

6 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:

Sportscene already on the TV guides for Saturday night, advertising Craig Gordon as a pundit. It’s completely ludicrous that the situation is still pending.

 

And if it’s still pending come next Saturday then what? League starts and we just carry on going through legal proceedings that are to determine whether or not we should be kept in the league that’s already started? At this rate I genuinely don’t expect any sort of conclusion next week.

Much better than Richard Gordon 

[kila]

6 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:

Sportscene already on the TV guides for Saturday night, advertising Craig Gordon as a pundit. It’s completely ludicrous that the situation is still pending.

 

And if it’s still pending come next Saturday then what? League starts and we just carry on going through legal proceedings that are to determine whether or not we should be kept in the league that’s already started? At this rate I genuinely don’t expect any sort of conclusion next week.

 

Would be another refund the SPFL would be due the BBC

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

So there's Aston Villa, 7 points behind with only 12 to play for, staging the great escape and staying up. But Hearts "deserve to go down". 🙄

[Cruyff]

If this looks like it is going to run into next weekend I'd expect us to file for an interdict. Can't see going on that long though. That would be ridiculous.

 

I reckon that we'll get our decision tomorrow at some point and the weekend was for a bit of deliberation. 🤞 

[Nookie Bear]

23 minutes ago, maroonedinoz said:

I dunno, I'm a bit fed up now of all the politics tbh.

 

Just want us to get back to playing football asap.

Well, if we lose this case then you’ll have to wait til October so it’s probably worth sticking out a few more days. 

[gnasher75]

17 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:

Sportscene already on the TV guides for Saturday night, advertising Craig Gordon as a pundit.

 

Unless he is going to take the opportunity to absolutely slate the SPFL (and the BBC for their shocking reporting of all this) I would prefer that Ann Budge or Robbie Neilson told him be wasn't doing this. No one from Hearts should be giving legitimacy to a Premiership that we have been expelled from. If we aren't reinstated we should treat this with the contempt it deserves.

[steve123]

1 minute ago, gnasher75 said:

 

Unless he is going to take the opportunity to absolutely slate the SPFL (and the BBC for their shocking reporting of all this) I would prefer that Ann Budge or Robbie Neilson told him be wasn't doing this. No one from Hearts should be giving legitimacy to a Premiership that we have been expelled from. If we aren't reinstated we should treat this with the contempt it deserves.

They are all still on furlough he may be struggling for cash lol

[Nookie Bear]

7 minutes ago, gnasher75 said:

 

Unless he is going to take the opportunity to absolutely slate the SPFL (and the BBC for their shocking reporting of all this) I would prefer that Ann Budge or Robbie Neilson told him be wasn't doing this. No one from Hearts should be giving legitimacy to a Premiership that we have been expelled from. If we aren't reinstated we should treat this with the contempt it deserves.

Spot on. 

[Homme]

Maybe he'll be chewing the fat over our win v St Johnstone 

[Neil Dongcaster]

I expect a decision tomorrow.

[buzzbomb]

2 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

 

 

That is a reasonable question, at least if no-one on the panel is of the standing of a judge.

 

If, for example, a "solicitor" on the panel ruled that the Dundee vote could be lawfully changed, in the absence of a weight of precedents, then such a ruling could possibly be challenged at the CoS on the basis of an "error of law".

 

If no panel member felt able to make such a call, and the decision was dependent on it,  then it would make sense to seek a legal "opinion from a serving judge.

I’ve thought from the start that if there is no precedent on the Dundee vote how can anyone pass judgement/rule on it other than a judge and he would have to create a precedent. And that would mean going back to a judge. 🤷🏻

[TheBigO]

3 hours ago, harrywragg said:

I've no been called one yet thankfully!. .. us jags must be, on the sliding scale from Jambo to 'vermin', just on the right side of acceptable 😉

Know what's funny Harry? No offence here, wonder if you've had similar.

 

We're continually being told "nae sympathy, you deserve to go down cos you were shite". My response is always, "but what about Partick?"

 

"aye, that's a shame."

 

Then I need to point out that you've also been shite!!!!

 

Invariably then get told we've spent big etc and again need to point out that Partick ain't paupers in Champ terms....

 

The point being made that its irrelevant what teams form was, or most definitely what their player budget is (as if that could be relevant!!), the matter is a point of law and, at its root, fairness.

[TheBigO]

16 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

Spot on. 

I also don't think active players should be punditing. From a sporting point of view, what Boyd used to say about fellow pros was always unbelievable and quite hiw he avoided being hauled up was eye opening. And secondly, on the other hand, it's mundane. If you're less thick than Boyd, you'll basically be vanilla AF.

 

No good for the game, no good for the viewer, but that's our BBC for ya.

[harrywragg]

9 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

Know what's funny Harry? No offence here, wonder if you've had similar.

 

We're continually being told "nae sympathy, you deserve to go down cos you were shite". My response is always, "but what about Partick?"

 

"aye, that's a shame."

 

Then I need to point out that you've also been shite!!!!

 

Invariably then get told we've spent big etc and again need to point out that Partick ain't paupers in Champ terms....

 

The point being made that its irrelevant what teams form was, or most definitely what their player budget is (as if that could be relevant!!), the matter is a point of law and, at its root, fairness.

I'd agree that we were fifty shades of shite this season and had the season run it's full course & we went down then so be it, fully deserved. 

 

We'll never know though with us improving slightly & QOS and Alloa both starting to signs of free fall. 

 

Arguably we have been a club that has, unlike Dunfermline and Dundee, lived within our means and that could partly explain why we were bottom in March. 

 

Happy to go quietly into the night into L1, but they will need to compensate us appropriately as the self interest and lack of any integrity will mean real people at the club will lose their jobs.

 

Or they can reinstate us. 

 

Seems a no brainer but, like supporting the Jags, I'm hoping for the best this week but dreading the result. 

[Lone Striker]

31 minutes ago, gnasher75 said:

 

Unless he is going to take the opportunity to absolutely slate the SPFL (and the BBC for their shocking reporting of all this) I would prefer that Ann Budge or Robbie Neilson told him be wasn't doing this. No one from Hearts should be giving legitimacy to a Premiership that we have been expelled from. If we aren't reinstated we should treat this with the contempt it deserves.

Totally agree.    Makes you wonder what their true agenda is by inviting him on - to snigger and embarass him  for turning down the glorious 8.79 in a row club and joining  the hated outcasts of Scottish football perhaps ?

 

 Ann should definitely pull the plug on this, especially if we lose.

 

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[Class of 75]

2 minutes ago, harrywragg said:

I'd agree that we were fifty shades of shite this season and had the season run it's full course & we went down then so be it, fully deserved. 

 

We'll never know though with us improving slightly & QOS and Alloa both starting to signs of free fall. 

 

Arguably we have been a club that has, unlike Dunfermline and Dundee, lived within our means and that could partly explain why we were bottom in March. 

 

Happy to go quietly into the night into L1, but they will need to compensate us appropriately as the self interest and lack of any integrity will mean real people at the club will lose their jobs.

 

Or they can reinstate us. 

 

Seems a no brainer but, like supporting the Jags, I'm hoping for the best this week but dreading the result. 

Fingers crossed Harry we both get the right result this week. 

[Smoked-Glass]

Could a 13.team league work? 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

1 minute ago, Smoked-Glass said:

Could a 13.team league work? 

Playing each other 3 times to give 36 fixtures?

[obua]

Just heard from a good source there’s a presser at Hampden at 10 am.

[DETTY29]

11 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Playing each other 3 times to give 36 fixtures?

You would need a 4th bigot fest somewhere or give up £xm to SKY.

 

Brian McLaughlin gave a breakdown on the old contract and it was around £1.25m per  OF game, subject to negotiation.

 

Less than a £10m hit I suppose. 

 

Edit - naturally Doncaster has negotiated down as SKY pay back is £1.5m over 5 years or McLaughlin talking rubbish.

Edited July 26, 2020 by DETTY29

[johnthomas]

8 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

If a government wanted to interfere I doubt FIFA could stop them.

Question being , can the government interfere ?

Nothing to do with FIFA

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

1 hour ago, obua said:

Just heard from a good source there’s a presser at Hampden at 10 am.

A press conference for a decision that is to be given out in private? Hmmm.

[The Gasman]

Just curiosity, but I wonder what (if any) mandate the SPFL Executive have in circumstances like this?

 

Assuming we win - will the Panel just make the call unilaterally on reinstatement / compensation, or will they ask for arguments / opinions on which to base their decision?

 

If the SPFL lawyer fights against us getting reinstated, I can see a lot of Clubs being mightily pissed off at having to pay out compensation - especially those that did actually back us.

 

Likewise, if the SPFL lawyer fights for us to be reinstated to save Clubs going under, the Calpol 3 are not going to be happy at all.

 

The sensible option all along has been reconstruction, but do the SPFL have the right to agree to impose that against their members wishes?

 

 

 

 

[Jambo66]

1 hour ago, The Gasman said:

Just curiosity, but I wonder what (if any) mandate the SPFL Executive have in circumstances like this?

 

Assuming we win - will the Panel just make the call unilaterally on reinstatement / compensation, or will they ask for arguments / opinions on which to base their decision?

 

If the SPFL lawyer fights against us getting reinstated, I can see a lot of Clubs being mightily pissed off at having to pay out compensation - especially those that did actually back us.

 

Likewise, if the SPFL lawyer fights for us to be reinstated to save Clubs going under, the Calpol 3 are not going to be happy at all.

 

The sensible option all along has been reconstruction, but do the SPFL have the right to agree to impose that against their members wishes?

 

 

 

 

Of course it has, but let's not forget that it was the SPFL who instigated all of this. We all suspect who put them up to it as well.

 

Sadly, the pathetic little pretend "professional" football clubs that populate Scottish football, wouldn't vote for reconstruction. Well, [email protected]#k them. You reap what you sow and the end result of this is that several of them will go out of business and the rest will end up playing amateur football if they're lucky. And they will have zero influence on Scottish football going forward.

 

It won't happen immediately, but it will happen soon. I will have sympathy for the genuine fans these clubs have, but as for their owners? Hell mend them.

[RobNox]

6 hours ago, Stupid Sexy Flanders said:

So there's Aston Villa, 7 points behind with only 12 to play for, staging the great escape and staying up. But Hearts "deserve to go down". 🙄

Also Man Utd, 12 points adrift of Leicester in February, but finish 4 points above them.

[RobNox]

5 hours ago, Neil Dongcaster said:

I expect a decision tomorrow.

 

I hope so, I've had the champagne on ice for far too long

[RobNox]

32 minutes ago, Jambo66 said:

Of course it has, but let's not forget that it was the SPFL who instigated all of this. We all suspect who put them up to it as well.

 

Sadly, the pathetic little pretend "professional" football clubs that populate Scottish football, wouldn't vote for reconstruction. Well, [email protected]#k them. You reap what you sow and the end result of this is that several of them will go out of business and the rest will end up playing amateur football if they're lucky. And they will have zero influence on Scottish football going forward.

 

It won't happen immediately, but it will happen soon. I will have sympathy for the genuine fans these clubs have, but as for their owners? Hell mend them.

 

Spot on!  It's time to get rid of these tin pot little operations from the professional league.  There is no way that diddy little part time outfits like Brechin or Albion Rovers should have any say over matters that might impact proper, full time professional clubs, who hundreds of people rely on for their living.  Hearts probably employ more people than actually turn up to watch some of those clubs.

[Neil Dongcaster]

1 hour ago, RobNox said:

 

I hope so, I've had the champagne on ice for far too long

I’d buy more ice. I expect a low compensation award and a further court case.

[Jamstomorrow]

4 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

A press conference for a decision that is to be given out in private? Hmmm.

If true, is it possible that the decision was made at the weekend.  Those concerned were informed and this is that decision now being made public?

[rmreido]

6 hours ago, obua said:

Just heard from a good source there’s a presser at Hampden at 10 am.

Hope their gonna tell us something that'll get us back to playing football again, in the spl, obviously. 

Sick fed up if all this nonsense, it's gone on far too long.

LETS MAKE SOME NOISE!!!!!!!!!!

[hughesie27]

6 hours ago, obua said:

Just heard from a good source there’s a presser at Hampden at 10 am.

Before this blows up. Let's not start bombarded the thread with anticipatory 10am conference tweets. Been too many false calls. If it happens it happens.

[DETTY29]

New sponsorship for Scottish Cup then.

 

 

Original 3 year sponsorship with WH announced in Aug 2011;  4 year renewal Oct 2015; cessation bt Aug 2020 in Feb 2020.

Edited July 27, 2020 by DETTY29

[adam1998]

Surprised not much has been said about the fact the interim vote results were announced by Doncaster when they said that Dundee were still to vote as if to apply pressure.

 

It cannot be right for something so important (that allegedly had 28 days and not the Good Friday 5pm deadline) to be handled the way it did.

 

Complete shambles from those at the top

 

 

Edited July 27, 2020 by adam1998

[Captain Canada]

I'm not interested at all in going down and getting compensation. And while I'm sick of the whole thing, it would be great if we go back to the CoS, get an interdict then get reinstated in the next couple of weeks. 

 

Even the full amount of compo would only put us back on an even keel financially so I don't see that as any kind of victory, especially if we are unfairly expelled. 

 

We've come this far so hopefully maximum carnage for everyone else will be the result. 

[Deevers]

7 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Playing each other 3 times to give 36 fixtures?

That’ll please Sky. 

[Beast Boy]

I know we have more pressing concerns with our own arbitration issues, but I hope the supporters of other clubs are speaking out against this utterly shite proposal for the Scottish Cup. 🙄

[Rattatooi]

16 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

I know we have more pressing concerns with our own arbitration issues, but I hope the supporters of other clubs are speaking out against this utterly shite proposal for the Scottish Cup. 🙄

Is the proposal just for the coming season because of Covid or is it a permanent proposal. Obviously the latter I am dead against but the former makes sense as smaller teams outside of the SPFL have no funds for testing and anything else for that matter.

 

if it is a permanent solution then they should hang their heads in shame.!

[jamboinglasgow]

1 hour ago, Neil Dongcaster said:

I’d buy more ice. I expect a low compensation award and a further court case.

 

hope not, I am getting to the point where I just want a conclusion to this but at the same time want us to get the best result we can. This feels like neither of those.

[Nookie Bear]

What’s the Scottish Cup proposal?

[Lfhearts]

I have no agenda.

There will be no reconstruction

There will be no interdict

There will be minimal compensation

Anything other than these outcomes is a bonus, the club will hopefully come together once we all get on with it.

[The Real Maroonblood]

7 hours ago, johnthomas said:

Question being , can the government interfere ?

Nothing to do with FIFA

The FBI is a government agency and they investigated FIFA.

[Beast Boy]

2 minutes ago, Lfhearts said:

I have no agenda.

There will be no reconstruction

There will be no interdict

There will be minimal compensation

Anything other than these outcomes is a bonus, the club will hopefully come together once we all get on with it.

You also don’t have a scooby doo about any of it, and everything you put there is nothing other than your opinion, stated as fact.

[Beast Boy]

Just now, The Real Maroonblood said:

The FBI is a government agency and they investigated FIFA.

Indeed. Aye, football’s administrative offices can just tell governments to keep out of their business though. Err... naw.

[Lfhearts]

Just now, Special Officer Doofy said:

You also don’t have a scooby doo about any of it, and everything you put there is nothing other than your opinion, stated as fact.

Yes but am not a fantasist like most kbers who actually believe there will be reconstruction, get in the real world it's all about money.

[1971fozzy]

7 hours ago, obua said:

Just heard from a good source there’s a presser at Hampden at 10 am.

probably decided to just give Celtic* the Cup