milky_26 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, johnthomas said: Exactly why , as AB stated , it should be all clubs involved in any decisions agree, this affects all clubs so should be a vote for all clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Longshanks said: The fact we've had Hearts and Rangers coming out saying stuff now is making me fear the worst. I know its total self interest from the huns but having one of the gruesome twosome in our corner when there is likely to be an injustice is good. This talk of restarting the league at a later date is a total nonsense. Current situations will have changed massively - what if Sibbick and Haring are completely fine by the time the league restarts? hows that fair on Accies and St Mirren. Likewise, relegating us isn't fair because we still had a fighting chance of staying up. Loan deals and contracts may be expiring and ultimately the players still need to agree to sign the extensions (the one/two month idea being floated). Its perfectly possible that these players could have moves to other clubs sorted and don't want to risk injury by agreeing any extension. That disadvantages them and could mean in theory we could sign our way out of relegation in the summer before the league was to restart or St Mirren and Accies lose key players. There are too many disks to spin. Call the season off and divide current prize money either on current placing of financial necessity. Restart next season with 14 or 16 teams and go from there. As Budge said in her interview on Sky sports there is no better time to discuss in detail league reconstruction and put the collective brain power of the Chairmen to create a better constructed league which actually offers fans of non-OF teams something to engage with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, OTT said: I know its total self interest from the huns but having one of the gruesome twosome in our corner when there is likely to be an injustice is good. This talk of restarting the league at a later date is a total nonsense. Current situations will have changed massively - what if Sibbick and Haring are completely fine by the time the league restarts? hows that fair on Accies and St Mirren. Likewise, relegating us isn't fair because we still had a fighting chance of staying up. Loan deals and contracts may be expiring and ultimately the players still need to agree to sign the extensions (the one/two month idea being floated). Its perfectly possible that these players could have moves to other clubs sorted and don't want to risk injury by agreeing any extension. That disadvantages them and could mean in theory we could sign our way out of relegation in the summer before the league was to restart or St Mirren and Accies lose key players. There are too many disks to spin. Call the season off and divide current prize money either on current placing of financial necessity. Restart next season with 14 or 16 teams and go from there. As Budge said in her interview on Sky sports there is no better time to discuss in detail league reconstruction and put the collective brain power of the Chairmen to create a better constructed league which actually offers fans of non-OF teams something to engage with. To be honest, I think we should maintain silence, keep our business out of the media, it looks exactly what it is, desperate. Meanwhile get our ducks in a row, for what we think may come. Plenty other teams in our boat that can speak on the situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: To be honest, I think we should maintain silence, keep our business out of the media, it looks exactly what it is, desperate. Meanwhile get our ducks in a row, for what we think may come. Plenty other teams in our boat that can speak on the situation Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: To be honest, I think we should maintain silence, keep our business out of the media, it looks exactly what it is, desperate. Meanwhile get our ducks in a row, for what we think may come. Plenty other teams in our boat that can speak on the situation You can guarantee fans would be fall over themselves on here demanding she speaks out. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Spellczech said: Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't... To be honest, I'm grateful for the transparency. One thing the SFA/ SPFL do time and time again is muddy the waters and make things as difficult to see what is actually happening as possible. I think Budge should keep this in the media and ensure that everything plays out publicly to ensure transparency and accountability - i.e if they try and relegate us, who and why? Happy with Budges approach so far. Appreciate others prefer dignified silence but honestly, what about the SFA is dignified? We need to fight our corner and not allow them an inch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 The salient point here is , had we beaten St Mirren last week would they relegate, them all be it on goal difference. That would have seemed extremely harsh and would have be fought all the way by St Mirren . Our situation is no different, we still have a massive chance to avoid relegation which we would be denied . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieRules22 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 You would like to think that with everybody concerned about their health etc the Spfl won’t add to the misery by relegating a club and possibly putting people out of jobs aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, OTT said: To be honest, I'm grateful for the transparency. One thing the SFA/ SPFL do time and time again is muddy the waters and make things as difficult to see what is actually happening as possible. I think Budge should keep this in the media and ensure that everything plays out publicly to ensure transparency and accountability - i.e if they try and relegate us, who and why? Happy with Budges approach so far. Appreciate others prefer dignified silence but honestly, what about the SFA is dignified? We need to fight our corner and not allow them an inch. Indeed. Dignified silence? she's not running a funeral director business FFS...She's running a football club which absolutely needs PR. Edited March 17, 2020 by Spellczech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: To be honest, I think we should maintain silence, keep our business out of the media, it looks exactly what it is, desperate. Meanwhile get our ducks in a row, for what we think may come. Plenty other teams in our boat that can speak on the situation I think it's important we come out kicking and screaming to let the SFA and SPL know we clearly object to any decision that relegates us,and toa lso to let teams in the divisions below know this. The more backing we get from these teams, the more likely the SPA/SPL will listen (hopefully). The further down the leagues you look, the more 'unfair' calling the season 'as is',obviously is. If 'sporting integrity' is the sfa/spls ultimate goal... we simply cannot accept stopping the season as it is and give out championships/promotions or relegation's as things stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) If there is a 75% rule and that's what we have signed up to then we would be ****ed. Budge and rangers wouldn't be daft enough to be releasing statements if that rule exists surely. Edited March 17, 2020 by Longshanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, OTT said: To be honest, I'm grateful for the transparency. One thing the SFA/ SPFL do time and time again is muddy the waters and make things as difficult to see what is actually happening as possible. I think Budge should keep this in the media and ensure that everything plays out publicly to ensure transparency and accountability - i.e if they try and relegate us, who and why? Happy with Budges approach so far. Appreciate others prefer dignified silence but honestly, what about the SFA is dignified? We need to fight our corner and not allow them an inch. Absolutely... the more noise the better IMO. It also shows everyone else that we're standing up to the SFA/SPL... and hopefully this will give the teams below us in a similar predicament, a bit of confidence to follow suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IveSeenTheLight Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 I just read that the Court of Arbitration for Sport have put on hold all existing cases for review, including the Man City FFP case. Stands to reason any new cases will take some time before being looked at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, Longshanks said: If there is a 75% rule and that's what we have signed up to then we would be ****ed. Budge and rangers wouldn't be daft enough to be releasing statements if that rule exists surely. Except no one can find any proof this 75% rule exists. Wonder what the blowhard Septic fans over at the Scottish Football Monitor make of all these shenanigans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said: I just read that the Court of Arbitration for Sport have put on hold all existing cases for review, including the Man City FFP case. Stands to reason any new cases will take some time before being looked at Which would then delay any start to next season even further should any club decide to take their case to CAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturalOrder74 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Relegating hearts will just do more damage to the league one less decent away support for the teams that need it this upcoming year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said: Relegating hearts will just do more damage to the league one less decent away support for the teams that need it this upcoming year Yes but they're not going to allow us to stay up on the grounds that we carry a support are they ? We'll either be the victims or the beneficiaries of an applied decision which wouldnt take any account of who we are and what we bring, just where we stand in the league. Edited March 17, 2020 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masonic Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Until mathematically confirmed there can be no relegation. Any attempt to do so using guesswork would be blocked by the courts IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 16 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said: Relegating hearts will just do more damage to the league one less decent away support for the teams that need it this upcoming year I get she needs to stand up for us, but the interview she has done does look a bit callous in the current world state of affairs. I'd actually like her to state that we will accept any decision that is made, as football is not the most important thing at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieRules22 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, ericb said: I get she needs to stand up for us, but the interview she has done does look a bit callous in the current world state of affairs. I'd actually like her to state that we will accept any decision that is made, as football is not the most important thing at the moment. Yeah she should have said we’ll just bend over and take our medicine 👀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Just now, ericb said: I get she needs to stand up for us, but the interview she has done does look a bit callous in the current world state of affairs. I'd actually like her to state that we will accept any decision that is made, as football is not the most important thing at the moment. That's an open invitation to relegate - stuff that. I get there are more important things happening right now but people are still trying to carry out the jobs for which they are paid for and responsible for, no matter how insignificant they seem right now. Budge is supposed to protect our interests and there are huge financial implications if we go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No longer active Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said: Relegating hearts will just do more damage to the league one less decent away support for the teams that need it this upcoming year So true. Expanding the league makes financial sense. More matches = more money for hard up clubs. The Uglies might not like that though! I would also be inclined to cancelling this season, expanding the league and spread all the prize money evenly between all 42 members of the league for this 1 season. If the Uglies don't like that then they can lump it; we are all making sacrifices over this virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stendelsarmy Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ericb said: I get she needs to stand up for us, but the interview she has done does look a bit callous in the current world state of affairs. I'd actually like her to state that we will accept any decision that is made, as football is not the most important thing at the moment. Get a grip. It's obvious she's made the statement because she's in the know about what's in planning. Yes, football isn't the most important thing in the world, but why accept automatic relegation? Why should Hearts volunteer to accept relegation. Why should the other clubs not volunteer to accept a null and void season? Edited March 17, 2020 by Stendelsarmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, ericb said: I get she needs to stand up for us, but the interview she has done does look a bit callous in the current world state of affairs. I'd actually like her to state that we will accept any decision that is made, as football is not the most important thing at the moment. Callous?... if you want callous I'll refer you to Neil Lennons presser a couple of days ago. Accept a decision that sees us relegated before our season is complete? Really? Are youon the wind up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ93 Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 To interject and provide strong opinion - as someone who works in international litigation and disputes on some of the biggest cases in the world - there is no chance they can legally relegate us if they end the season just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, ericb said: I get she needs to stand up for us, but the interview she has done does look a bit callous in the current world state of affairs. I'd actually like her to state that we will accept any decision that is made, as football is not the most important thing at the moment. You know how the powers in Glasgow work? Callous would be to mild a word to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, JJ93 said: To interject and provide strong opinion - as someone who works in international litigation and disputes on some of the biggest cases in the world - there is no chance they can legally relegate us if they end the season just now. Superb, thanks. Is Johnnie Cochrane related to Harry? Is that how you're a Jambo? Also, aren't you dead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 34 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said: Relegating hearts will just do more damage to the league one less decent away support for the teams that need it this upcoming year Correct bud, anyway 24 points to play for, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ93 Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, TheBigO said: Superb, thanks. Is Johnnie Cochrane related to Harry? Is that how you're a Jambo? Also, aren't you dead? You've lost me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, TheBigO said: Superb, thanks. Is Johnnie Cochrane related to Harry? Is that how you're a Jambo? Also, aren't you dead? if its not 38, you must not relegate !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 44 minutes ago, The Treasurer said: Which would then delay any start to next season even further should any club decide to take their case to CAS Good-oh. Get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) I think we are all thinking logically re games left etc...but the trouble is thats not how our governing body works or thinks. Ann clearly made the statement as the current view is to award Celtic and relegate us that is clear, and why Rangers followed with their statement. Now each side will have been discussing with lawyers and it appears as all good lawyers do they have different opinions on our rulebook, so off to CAS we go. Alternatively, is highlighting what happens next from us enough to threaten them to reconsider ? who knows but i suspect as it stands relegation is the likely outcome and preferred view of those at the trough. Edited March 17, 2020 by Jamboelite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jamboelite said: I think we are all thinking logically the trouble is thats not how our governing body works. Ann clearly made the statement as the current view is to award Celtic and relegate us that is clear and why Rangers followed with their statement. Will highlighting what happens next be enough to threaten them to reconsider who knows but i suspect as it stands relegation is the likely outcome and preferred view of those at the trough. Our governing body, no matter how much pressure comes from what source, has to act legally, fairly and within its rules, if it doesnt and we are disadvantaged because of a unjustified and punitive (to us)stray from the rules then we'll be going to court. If the rules permit it in circumstances like this and they relegate us, we'll have to accept it after confirming the legal standpoint, and the likliehood of a successful challenge, independently ourselves. Their preferred course might be to stop the league and award prizes and consequences for current positions. I suspect it probably is the preferred option. All Ms Budge is highlighting is that if you do that, you better make sure the ground you are standing on is rock solid, because we'll be checking. Edited March 17, 2020 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 15 hours ago, stevie1874 said: Ok let’s just bend over take what’s coming our way and do as we’re told. Get a grip Get a grip? I’m not the one pretending that the club would pull out competitions and the support would boycott grounds based on this. Laughable as ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: That's an open invitation to relegate - stuff that. I get there are more important things happening right now but people are still trying to carry out the jobs for which they are paid for and responsible for, no matter how insignificant they seem right now. Budge is supposed to protect our interests and there are huge financial implications if we go down. I thought the interview was more of a call to arms for the whole support to back the club and the club will fight the supports corner. Yes, it was very badly timed imo but was done for the greater good of the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthomas Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, ericb said: I get she needs to stand up for us, but the interview she has done does look a bit callous in the current world state of affairs. I'd actually like her to state that we will accept any decision that is made, as football is not the most important thing at the moment. She was being interviewed about a football matter . The current situation doesn't mean you can't have a view on music , art , football even Hibs ! Feck this . I'm going to make an unnecessary journey to the pub and get inappropriately close to the barmaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of The Cat Cafe Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, GorgieRules22 said: You would like to think that with everybody concerned about their health etc the Spfl won’t add to the misery by relegating a club and possibly putting people out of jobs aswell. Some might think that would not apply to Hearts "Oh, they've got the FOH and plenty of money". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Our governing body, no matter how much pressure comes from what source, has to act legally, fairly and within its rules, if it doesnt and we are disadvantaged because of a unjustified and punitive (to us)stray from the rules then we'll be going to court. If the rules permit it in circumstances like this and they relegate us, we'll have to accept it after confirming the legal standpoint, and the likliehood of a successful challenge, independently ourselves. Their preferred course might be to stop the league and award prizes and consequences for current positions. I suspect it probably is the preferred option. All Ms Budge is highlighting is that if you do that, you better make sure the ground you are standing on is rock solid, because we'll be checking. Not sure Partick Thistle would accept this as the "preferred option" given that they are 2 points adrift with a game in hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, johnthomas said: She was being interviewed about a football matter . The current situation doesn't mean you can't have a view on music , art , football even Hibs ! Feck this . I'm going to make an unnecessary journey to the pub and get inappropriately close to the barmaid Is the barmaid quite tidy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, The Treasurer said: Not sure Partick Thistle would accept this as the "preferred option" given that they are 2 points adrift with a game in hand. Its the SPFL's preferred option. No doubt its not ours or Particks.(amongst many others who arent called Celtic) It would preferred by Celtic, Motherwell, and everyone below Kilmarnock except Hearts. It wont suit Rangers because mathemantically they can still win the league and well, because they are Rangers It wont suit Aberdeen, Livingston and Hibs because they could all still catch Motherwell for 3rd It wont suit St Johnstone or Kilmarnock because they can both still finish top 6 with an outside mathematical chance of Europe It wont suit Hearts. You can run down the leagues and you'll find more teams it doesnt suit than teams it does suit. Edited March 17, 2020 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENE Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 do we still have the 10-2 vote. If so would this not suit Hearts, with Rangers against shutting down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, RENE said: do we still have the 10-2 vote. If so would this not suit Hearts, with Rangers against shutting down. We do, but this appears to be a SPFL board decision to make, not a club vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, ericb said: I get she needs to stand up for us, but the interview she has done does look a bit callous in the current world state of affairs. I'd actually like her to state that we will accept any decision that is made, as football is not the most important thing at the moment. She was standing up for the Heart of Midlothian Football Club. Which many on here have accused Ann Budge of not doing previously. Good on her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, ericb said: I get she needs to stand up for us, but the interview she has done does look a bit callous in the current world state of affairs. I'd actually like her to state that we will accept any decision that is made, as football is not the most important thing at the moment. Eh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Spellczech said: Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't... Got an awful lot more to do than simply football. There is a humanitarian crisis, she has Save the Children on the front of our shirts, football could have been sidestepped neatly, she is a bright woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Its the SPFL's preferred option. No doubt its not ours or Particks.(amongst many others who arent called Celtic) It would preferred by Celtic, Motherwell, and everyone below Kilmarnock except Hearts. It wont suit Rangers because mathemantically they can still win the league and well, because they are Rangers It wont suit Aberdeen, Livingston and Hibs because they could all still catch Motherwell for 3rd It wont suit St Johnstone or Kilmarnock because they can both still finish top 6 with an outside mathematical chance of Europe It wont suit Hearts. You can run down the leagues and you'll find more teams it doesnt suit than teams it does suit. #ibs would rather see us relegated, Celtic handed the league than have themselves fight for a European spot. That's just how they are. It's in their DNA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Hypothetical situation. Say it was either Celtic/Sevco currently 4pts adrift at the bottom of the league with 8 games to play and Hearts 13pts ahead at the top of the league. Who thinks Neil Lennon would be advocating give Hearts the league flag and Celtic should rightly be relegated. Same goes for Steven Gerrard at Ibrox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo1874 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 This board needs a deep clean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, John Findlay said: She was standing up for the Heart of Midlothian Football Club. Which many on here have accused Ann Budge of not doing previously. Good on her. Having seen and read what she said, it didnt come across that well John. I'm not a fan of clubs jumping and stamping feet in public BEFORE anything has been decided. I'm sure she could have made her feelings known to the SPFL board and said nothing publicly. We've slated Lennon for doing the exact same thing (but opposite view obviously) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, alwaysthereinspirit said: #ibs would rather see us relegated, Celtic handed the league than have themselves fight for a European spot. That's just how they are. It's in their DNA. Some of their fans might I'll grant you, but Hibs themselves will want to play on and get try and get into Europe. And deep down, from a business point of view, they wont want us to go down either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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