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Smithee
34 minutes ago, Gizmo said:


I liked the idea of UBI - cheaper to give it to all than run expensive admin schemes to figure out who shouldn't get benefits. It would also stop the punishing, deliberately unhelpful regime that Duncan-Smith put in place at the DWP. 

However, when you consider the % of jobs that we could lose to admin - do you really want the government in complete control of your only source of income when a zealous neoliberal right-wing mob could reduce the taxes on, say, a figurehead company with a token human workforce and a raft of AI bots generating their income, which in turn reduces the UBI you receive. Or having to fight in a reduced jobs market to top up a UBI that can't actually be lived comfortably on?

The more I read from the WEF of late makes me quite concerned about something that, used correctly, could be a game changer.  

Most systems are under threat if a bunch of radges get in but there are all sorts of other things that could happen which is why we need trials. If I was getting 100 quid a week I'd probably go down to 4 day working, I'd imagine a lot of people would, and if so there would be spaces for more people to be employed.

 

Not only that, but with everyone having more money, everyone has more money to spend, leading to a strong economy.

 

I don't know if it would work but surely it's worth a shot. Trickle down economics doesn't work, never had, so let's try trickle up.

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56 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Most systems are under threat if a bunch of radges get in but there are all sorts of other things that could happen which is why we need trials. If I was getting 100 quid a week I'd probably go down to 4 day working, I'd imagine a lot of people would, and if so there would be spaces for more people to be employed.

 

Not only that, but with everyone having more money, everyone has more money to spend, leading to a strong economy.

 

I don't know if it would work but surely it's worth a shot. Trickle down economics doesn't work, never had, so let's try trickle up.


I'd be on board for 4 day weeks, absolutely. It's whether we can retain enough jobs once AI can do them better and much cheaper. They have to do something as one Bezos type trillionaire sitting on a pile of bots will have no one to sell product/services to if the wealth generation all flows to him alone. 

I'm just cynical of that WEF guy who said by 2030 we will - as in you and I, not the "Davos universe" as he put it, "own nothing and be happy about that". 

Another thing is rent protection and price gouging. Those slumlords would love to rinse that £100 a week out of your hands and into theirs, and the fact they get the £100 a week too won't stop them. 

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4 hours ago, Boy Daniel said:

A campaign, which includes Professor James Mitchell, of Edinburgh University, was launched last weekend to include “devo max” on any future ballot paper.

Such an option has been considered, including by Salmond, since before the 2014 independence referendum. It would mean that Scotland remains part of the UK but is given substantially more powers than are currently held at Holyrood, with only major portfolios such as defence and foreign affairs reserved to Westminster.

 

MPs in Westminster will never agree to devo max whether it gets put on a ballot paper or not. You might as well hold a referendum on whether Scotland should annex the Moon.

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Governor Tarkin
3 hours ago, dobmisterdobster said:

You might as well hold a referendum on whether Scotland should annex the Moon.

 

:sadrobbo:

 

Merge with the Astronomy/Universe thread pls Mods.

 

 

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Brighton Jambo
15 hours ago, XB52 said:

As much as I don't like seeing NO in the lead, maybe you should look back at the previous polls by scotsman/times. They had no in the lead before too

Fair point.  But why when it’s no ahead the polls are dodgy or misleading or biased but when yes is ahead they are to be trusted and reflect the views of the people?! 
 

Overall it’s probably pretty even but one things for sure this ‘settled will of the Scottish people’ nonsense is put to bed for the foreseeable.  

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6 hours ago, Smithee said:

Most systems are under threat if a bunch of radges get in but there are all sorts of other things that could happen which is why we need trials. If I was getting 100 quid a week I'd probably go down to 4 day working, I'd imagine a lot of people would, and if so there would be spaces for more people to be employed.

 

Not only that, but with everyone having more money, everyone has more money to spend, leading to a strong economy.

 

I don't know if it would work but surely it's worth a shot. Trickle down economics doesn't work, never had, so let's try trickle up.

 

UBI is a clever notion.  It helps if you have a tax system like Ireland's where all allowances have been replaced by credits, but the fundamental principle is a good one regardless.

 

You're entitled to a basic income by virtue of demographics.  Once you turn a certain age, you get that income regardless of age, activity or other wealth and income.  It doesn't change.

 

If you're unemployed, you get it instead of getting the dole.

 

If you're a lone parent, you get it instead of lone parents benefit.

 

If you're a student, you get it instead of a student grant.

 

If you're disabled and can't work, you get it instead of disability payments.

 

If you're retired, you get it instead of an old age pension.

 

If you're employed, you get it instead of tax credits/allowances.

 

See that last point?  The one group who get far more out of UBI than out of the current system are employees and income earners.  And that massively increases the cost of UBI, but it can be fixed.  How?  Because you can put in higher taxes on income from a lower level to balance out the extra benefit of UBI.

 

But if you switch between any of those groups by working, leaving a job, getting old, getting sick or having kids nothing changes because you're still entitled to your UBI.  So no more administrative guff about assessing who you are and what you can claim.  You just get your entitlement all the time.

 

So you can run the system through your tax administration, whether people are working or not.  You may still need pensions and social security functions, or student grant/loan administration bodies, because some of those groups may be entitled to other benefits beyond the basic income.  But you can reduce the size of those agencies, or even eliminate them completely.

 

So it'll never happen. :laugh:

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manaliveits105

:greggy:Those pesky polls c- latest yougov poll shows NAW 53% up 2 % AYE 47% Down 2% 

and 22nd April Savanta Comres poll

 

 

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Swahili Jambo

And so it begins.  Airdrie and Shotts by-election odds (you know, that hot bed of Labour support), SNP 1/10, Labour 6/1, the rest are an irrelevance.  Tickety tick tock.  Alba Gu Brath.

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Governor Tarkin
11 hours ago, Swahili Jambo said:

  Alba Gu Brath.

 

:rofl:

 

The mark of a loon if ever there was one. 

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Big dark rings under Sturgos eyes as she flails on Andrew Marr by trying to talk non stop without answering questions - oh beauty of a question by Marr there - you criticised the UK Gov for not having done an economic forecast during Brexit but you admit you havent done one  for independence - he is ripping her apart now 

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6 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Big dark rings under Sturgos eyes as she flails on Andrew Marr by trying to talk non stop without answering questions - oh beauty of a question by Marr there - you criticised the UK Gov for not having done an economic forecast during Brexit but you admit you havent done one  for independence - he is ripping her apart now 

 

She looked rough as........ and you're right, didn't handle that very well at all.

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Mars plastic
14 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Anas came across very well on the Marr show 

I can't help but like the big guy actually. Presents himself very well.

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Mars plastic
17 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

She looked rough as........ and you're right, didn't handle that very well at all.

When it comes to the sums there's not anyone in the SNP who can string a coherent sentence together. JUST GEE US OOR FREEEEEEDUMMMMMMMMM!!!!

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4 minutes ago, Mars plastic said:

When it comes to the sums there's not anyone in the SNP who can string a coherent sentence together. JUST GEE US OOR FREEEEEEDUMMMMMMMMM!!!!

 

Think by the look of the nick of her, she's been given a pre-read of the report on Scotland's new deficit that the institute for fiscal studies is publishing next week. 

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Mars plastic
1 minute ago, pablo said:

 

Think by the look of the nick of her, she's been given a pre-read of the report on Scotland's new deficit that the institute for fiscal studies is publishing next week. 

Ffs, Pablo, do you not know Scotland doesn't have a deficit?? Pfffft.

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1 minute ago, Mars plastic said:

Ffs, Pablo, do you not know Scotland doesn't have a deficit?? Pfffft.

 

Leaks from the report suggests that Scotland's new fiscal deficit is 8 times the limit set by the EU for membership. 

 

The gap between public spending is now between 22% and 25% of GDP.

 

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3 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

Leaks from the report suggests that Scotland's new fiscal deficit is 8 times the limit set by the EU for membership. 

 

The gap between public spending is now between 22% and 25% of GDP.

 

Who's responsible for Scotland's economy? Who sets rates, ensures our exports are managed properly? 

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6 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Who's responsible for Scotland's economy? Who sets rates, ensures our exports are managed properly? 

 

The all UK gap between public spending and tax revenue is 14.5% of GDP.

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Roxy Hearts
1 minute ago, pablo said:

 

The all UK gap between public spending and tax revenue is 14.5%

Do you Scotland contributes to the UK or is it a drain on resources?

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theshed
1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

Big dark rings under Sturgos eyes as she flails on Andrew Marr by trying to talk non stop without answering questions - oh beauty of a question by Marr there - you criticised the UK Gov for not having done an economic forecast during Brexit but you admit you havent done one  for independence - he is ripping her apart now 

 

Never seen it but I’m sure she just talked and talked just so she couldn’t get asked any hard questions 

 

I think she just keeps talking none stop so no one asks her anymore questions as they are sick of listening to her

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Roxy Hearts
5 minutes ago, theshed said:

 

Never seen it but I’m sure she just talked and talked just so she couldn’t get asked any hard questions 

 

I think she just keeps talking none stop so no one asks her anymore questions as they are sick of listening to her

Don't watch her then!

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manaliveits105
15 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

The all UK gap between public spending and tax revenue is 14.5% of GDP.

Dont confuse the separatists with facts 

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Roxy Hearts
6 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Dont confuse the separatists with facts 

What do hard working Scottish people provide for the UK?

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Governor Tarkin
5 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

What do hard working Scottish people provide for the UK?

 

Soldiers for illegal wars. 

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Roxy Hearts
17 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Soldiers for illegal wars. 

Not like you to be supportive.....

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manaliveits105
22 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

What do hard working Scottish people provide for the UK?

We send them a professional clown gurning act in Ian Blackford to keep them amused 

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Roxy Hearts
3 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

We send them a professional clown gurning act in Ian Blackford to keep them amused 

He's not the people and don't watch that soap opera in that backward, archaic place so hope he shoves it right up the ignorant lot.

 

What do we provide that Westminster needs us for?

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jack D and coke
1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Soldiers for illegal wars. 

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JamesM48
1 hour ago, theshed said:

 

Never seen it but I’m sure she just talked and talked just so she couldn’t get asked any hard questions 

 

I think she just keeps talking none stop so no one asks her anymore questions as they are sick of listening to her

Yes she is looking dreadful now . The of being  a tinpot dictator depriving everyone of their Civil liberties and freedoms has taken its toll . Im

not religious but thank you God .

1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Soldiers for illegal wars. 

Canon fodder as per usual 

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JamesM48
1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Soldiers for illegal wars. 

 

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Roxy Hearts
37 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes she is looking dreadful now . The of being  a tinpot dictator depriving everyone of their Civil liberties and freedoms has taken its toll . Im

not religious but thank you God .

Canon fodder as per usual 

She's done a fairly decent job through a pandemic. It's her job to look after all citizens. Dictator ffs!

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3 hours ago, Mysterion said:


Ooft, Ross would be better sticking to officiating football matches...
 

32 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes she is looking dreadful now . The of being  a tinpot dictator depriving everyone of their Civil liberties and freedoms has taken its toll . Im

not religious but thank you God .

Canon fodder as per usual 


Jesus asked me to pass on God's reply to you - he said, send this to James and  remind him that Scotland isn't tinpot but is actually God's own country.

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Per Nicola trade will flow freely over a hard border. You'll need a passport to cross the Tweed but goods vehicles will just go straight through per oor Nicola flouting every EU rule. She is a lying buffoon and her voters beyond ignorant.

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Swahili Jambo
15 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

Per Nicola trade will flow freely over a hard border. You'll need a passport to cross the Tweed but goods vehicles will just go straight through per oor Nicola flouting every EU rule. She is a lying buffoon and her voters beyond ignorant.

You really are quite thick.  Which part of the Tweed would you have to cross to get to England (apart from Berwick).  Keep posting though, your ignorance and wannabe English jingoism is quite entertaining.  That pesky Saltire on the famous jersey must still irk you. 

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56 minutes ago, Gizmo said:


Ooft, Ross would be better sticking to officiating football matches...
 


Jesus asked me to pass on God's reply to you - he said, send this to James and  remind him that Scotland isn't tinpot but is actually God's own country.

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Luckily for me I don’t believe in all that religious pish so that meme means absolutely didly squat to me ! Thank you sir ! 😂 it’s terribly offensive 

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JamesM48
59 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

She's done a fairly decent job through a pandemic. It's her job to look after all citizens. Dictator ffs!

😂😂😂

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Dawnrazor
12 minutes ago, Swahili Jambo said:

You really are quite thick.  Which part of the Tweed would you have to cross to get to England (apart from Berwick).  Keep posting though, your ignorance and wannabe English jingoism is quite entertaining.  That pesky Saltire on the famous jersey must still irk you. 

Cornhill/Coldstream.

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14 minutes ago, Swahili Jambo said:

You really are quite thick.  Which part of the Tweed would you have to cross to get to England (apart from Berwick).  Keep posting though, your ignorance and wannabe English jingoism is quite entertaining.  That pesky Saltire on the famous jersey must still irk you. 

 

So how will goods flow freely over a hard border? 

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43 minutes ago, Swahili Jambo said:

You really are quite thick.  Which part of the Tweed would you have to cross to get to England (apart from Berwick).  Keep posting though, your ignorance and wannabe English jingoism is quite entertaining.  That pesky Saltire on the famous jersey must still irk you. 

 

 

The A1 crossing the River Tweed © Graham Robson :: Geograph Britain and  Ireland

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JackLadd
23 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

So how will goods flow freely over a hard border? 

 

All that flows freely is his and snp pish.

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Mars plastic
10 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

 

All that flows freely is his and snp pish.

:rofl: 

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Mars plastic
51 minutes ago, Swahili Jambo said:

You really are quite thick.  Which part of the Tweed would you have to cross to get to England (apart from Berwick).  Keep posting though, your ignorance and wannabe English jingoism is quite entertaining.  That pesky Saltire on the famous jersey must still irk you. 

This Haggistani is particularly rabid. 

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1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

So how will goods flow freely over a hard border? 


We construct a massive flume at Berwick which goes out to the North Sea then doubles back in to land goods at Eyemouth next to the fish. We can install one of Boris's custom scanners on it as built by Dido Harding. 

Alternatively, we could stick a pair of massive googly eyes on every Eddie Stobart truck destined to cross the border and if Customs or Plod stops them, they can just say they were testing the truck's eyesight and fitness to drive.
 

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 If you need any more fabulous ideas, you know who to call. 👍

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26 minutes ago, Gizmo said:


We construct a massive flume at Berwick which goes out to the North Sea then doubles back in to land goods at Eyemouth next to the fish. We can install one of Boris's custom scanners on it as built by Dido Harding. 

Alternatively, we could stick a pair of massive googly eyes on every Eddie Stobart truck destined to cross the border and if Customs or Plod stops them, they can just say they were testing the truck's eyesight and fitness to drive.
 

eddie.jpg

 

 If you need any more fabulous ideas, you know who to call. 👍

 

Arguably the best case for Scotland leaving the UK ever made.:greatpost:

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Governor Tarkin
27 minutes ago, Gizmo said:


We construct a massive flume at Berwick which goes out to the North Sea then doubles back in to land goods at Eyemouth next to the fish. We can install one of Boris's custom scanners on it as built by Dido Harding. 

Alternatively, we could stick a pair of massive googly eyes on every Eddie Stobart truck destined to cross the border and if Customs or Plod stops them, they can just say they were testing the truck's eyesight and fitness to drive.
 

eddie.jpg

 

 If you need any more fabulous ideas, you know who to call. 👍

 

If we add on some Groucho glasses they may not even recognise that it's a truck at all.

 

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43 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

If we add on some Groucho glasses they may not even recognise that it's a truck at all.

 

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What truck???

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Governor Tarkin
5 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Missing snp funds - not being wheeesht for Indy 

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:lol:

 

Bunch of chancers.

 

Has Murrell's house been renovated recently?

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