Ron Burgundy Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, weehammy said: Doubt his ‘celebrity’ status extends beyond Coldstream. And let's not forget , he's that much of an expert he was second choice behind that dipshit gynaecologist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) He likes to keep his hand in though Edited October 30, 2020 by manaliveits105 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 It's fun watching how wrong folk can be about something without giving up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said: To be fair Brian, the article you shared was an interesting read but very much theoretical and in no way evidential of what is happening on the ground. The Scottish Hospitality Group reported 17 cases from 1.8million visits. Likewise, thousands of supermarket staff have been working since March without being infected, mingling with thousands of people. The one thing Covid is not, is a "crazy, mad infectious disease" and it's hysterical for it to be described as such. It will affect the most vulnerable and does appear to spread in clusters where a perfect storm exists. But large swathes of the population may have a natural immunity to it. Who knows? The Diamond Princess was a test case where it spread unhindered for a fortnight yet only 18% were infected. Flu circulates each year and causes thousands of deaths. Ask anyone how many times they have had flu in their lifetime and they'll probably say never, once or maybe twice. How do most people avoid flu while frequenting packex pubs, clubs, shops or trains?? Sorry but this is mostly nonsense. The Passengers on the Diamond Princess were quarantined. Don't you remember them being interviewed in their pokey wee cabins in various states of resignation. Quarantine and unhindered are at the opposite end of infection control. Quarantine did not seem to work very well though. This might be because Covid is a crazy, mad, infectious disease. Infection rates were not as you suggest 18%. Very few people were tested because of cost, expertise and availability of testing kits. !8% of people were however diagnosed symptomatic and around 10% of them died. Everybody on the ship may have been infected for all we know. We do not know what would have happened if the bars, casino and dancing had remained open but it may have had little effect since everybody on board might already have had it. Equally many lives could have been lost. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7156812/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 25 minutes ago, weehammy said: Mmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!! You seem to make sweeping assumptions without a scrap of evidence. Why else would you make such a comment about the Saltire Society? Have you not heard of them? Are you not aware of what they do? Perhaps you could explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 32 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: This guy could, he's an expert on viruses and no doubt everything else. As far as I’m aware he’s not an expert on viruses or has he claimed to be. He is pretty well qualified when it comes to public health though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 37 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: This guy could, he's an expert on viruses and no doubt everything else. I remember Jim Craig. He was a Dentist. Then he became a footballer and won the European cup. Seems his ability as footballer is open to question on account of him being a dentist. Is that how it works? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 17 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: It's fun watching how wrong folk can be about something without giving up. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, jonesy said: Another well-qualified gentleman approves of this post: Pity he wasn’t on the bridge at the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 "It is ‘futile and immoral’ to seek herd immunity as a protection from a pandemic, and the transmission of an infectious disease like Covid-19 cannot be fully halted without a vaccine, Sweden's chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell has said." https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-futile-immoral-seek-herd-131257231.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, coconut doug said: I remember Jim Craig. He was a Dentist. Then he became a footballer and won the European cup. Seems his ability as footballer is open to question on account of him being a dentist. Is that how it works? no, but I wouldnt expect him to lead us through a pandemic caused by a virus either- seeing as both are outside his area of expertise. Leitch is one of those characters who qualifies, realises he doesnt like clinical work with actual people, so departs it ASAP for something office based where he doesnt need to deal with ill people, but is happy to tell people who do, how they should do what he doesnt want to. No getting down and dirty on the frontline for some of those feckers. I have the same opinion of our Phillipa Whitford- chucks in being a breast surgeon then keeps carping on about waiting lists- fine- give up your soapbox and pick up a scalpel then, or shut the f-up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) Leitch has a Masters in Public Health from Harvard and has an advisory panel made up of a broad range of experts from various fields. He's perfectly well qualified and isn't making any decisions on his own on a whim. Edited October 30, 2020 by Ray Gin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: no, but I wouldnt expect him to lead us through a pandemic caused by a virus either- seeing as both are outside his area of expertise. Leitch is one of those characters who qualifies, realises he doesnt like clinical work with actual people, so departs it ASAP for something office based where he doesnt need to deal with ill people, but is happy to tell people who do, how they should do what he doesnt want to. No getting down and dirty on the frontline for some of those feckers. I have the same opinion of our Phillipa Whitford- chucks in being a breast surgeon then keeps carping on about waiting lists- fine- give up your soapbox and pick up a scalpel then, or shut the f-up As well as being wrong (first paragraph) you are reduced to ad hominem attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: Leitch has a Masters in Public Health from Harvard and has an advisory panel made up of a broad range of experts from various fields. He's perfectly well qualified and isn't making any decisions on his own on a whim. And he constantly consults others around the world on how they are dealing with it. Somebody has to head up these organisations and Leitch seems to be the best qualified person around at the moment. By all accounts he is well respected around the world other than on here😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, FWJ said: As well as being wrong (first paragraph) you are reduced to ad hominem attacks. I have a natural distrust of those who down tools at the first opportunity in their chosen career, in order to boss around those they leave behind. same for nurse managers who do no ward time etc. they lose touch with reality/people/the coal-face desk jockeys strange how we went from a nation that derided the NHS managers- "we have too many managers" to suddenly being utterly beholden to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsmad1874 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Project fear rumbles on. https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/30/pm-told-every-hospital-bed-will-be-full-by-december-17-without-more-lockdowns-13505226/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, FWJ said: I’m not sure who’s suggesting they do? Indeed, do Heart surgeons know more about public health issues too 🤷🏾♂️🤔?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBE Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Heartsmad1874 said: Project fear rumbles on. https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/30/pm-told-every-hospital-bed-will-be-full-by-december-17-without-more-lockdowns-13505226/ Project fear, take a bow Sir, you've just introduced that article to one more audience. Edited October 30, 2020 by OBE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 29 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: no, but I wouldnt expect him to lead us through a pandemic caused by a virus either- seeing as both are outside his area of expertise. Leitch is one of those characters who qualifies, realises he doesnt like clinical work with actual people, so departs it ASAP for something office based where he doesnt need to deal with ill people, but is happy to tell people who do, how they should do what he doesnt want to. No getting down and dirty on the frontline for some of those feckers. I have the same opinion of our Phillipa Whitford- chucks in being a breast surgeon then keeps carping on about waiting lists- fine- give up your soapbox and pick up a scalpel then, or shut the f-up As for as I know she still works in the NHS when her health allows her too. Is that ok with you, does that help her escape your criticism? https://www.thenational.scot/news/18422996.snps-philippa-whitford-praises-nhs-return-front-line/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Indeed, do Heart surgeons know more about public health issues too 🤷🏾♂️🤔?!?! No, but there is such a thing as a consultant in public health medicine..... consultant in public health dentistry - not so much Have been rewatching "The Hangover " films of late with my eldest. "No, your not a Doctor, you're just a dentist" maybe stick to telling kids to cut out the fizzy juice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 It seems that the media and journalists want a lockdown more than anyone else (they keep working of course) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, jonesy said: At the start of lockdown I read Poe's The Masque of the Red Death. Would appear to be appropriate reading for a pandemic. The film version hasn't got much relation to the book, but Vincent Price is fantastic and then there's the lovely Jane Asher... Superb. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 https://www.facebook.com/talkRADIOUK/videos/409832640410822/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, OBE said: Project fear, take a bow Sir, you've just introduced that article to one more audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: No, but there is such a thing as a consultant in public health medicine..... consultant in public health dentistry - not so much Have been rewatching "The Hangover " films of late with my eldest. "No, your not a Doctor, you're just a dentist" maybe stick to telling kids to cut out the fizzy juice His masters was in Public Health. He didn’t “down tools at the first opportunity” he was an oral surgeon for a number of years, as well as lecturing. Does your distrust extend to all who enter the teaching or research fields? Unusual for one in your position if it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: As for as I know she still works in the NHS when her health allows her too. Is that ok with you, does that help her escape your criticism? https://www.thenational.scot/news/18422996.snps-philippa-whitford-praises-nhs-return-front-line/ Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: No, but there is such a thing as a consultant in public health medicine..... consultant in public health dentistry - not so much Have been rewatching "The Hangover " films of late with my eldest. "No, your not a Doctor, you're just a dentist" maybe stick to telling kids to cut out the fizzy juice I think his qualifications are perfectly suited to the job he’s doing, or he wouldn’t be in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, FWJ said: His masters was in Public Health. He didn’t “down tools at the first opportunity” he was an oral surgeon for a number of years, as well as lecturing. Does your distrust extend to all who enter the teaching or research fields? Unusual for one in your position if it does. "oral surgeon" a case of semantics however, he is certainly good at lecturing And the distrust extends to those who have no patient contact- you know- why we entered the game in the first place? And to spraff on about illness/ death / morbidity / human behaviour when you learned it from a book is not the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said: I think his qualifications are perfectly suited to the job he’s doing, or he wouldn’t be in it. He's a political appointee, under the patronage of her royal nippiness- lets face it, thats why he's in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, doctor jambo said: "oral surgeon" a case of semantics however, he is certainly good at lecturing And the distrust extends to those who have no patient contact- you know- why we entered the game in the first place? And to spraff on about illness/ death / morbidity / human behaviour when you learned it from a book is not the same. I’m pretty sure Oral Surgeons have patient contact. So you don’t ‘trust’ researchers and academics. As I say, unusual for one in your field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: He's a political appointee, under the patronage of her royal nippiness- lets face it, thats why he's in it. Who knows, who cares. He’s doing as good as a job as any other person with the qualifications to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: He's a political appointee, under the patronage of her royal nippiness- lets face it, thats why he's in it. And so it appears your objections to him are based on politics too, rather than his suitability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: He's a political appointee, under the patronage of her royal nippiness- lets face it, thats why he's in it. Very objective. No political bias to see here, move along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, OBE said: Project fear, take a bow Sir, you've just introduced that article to one more audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 36 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: I have a natural distrust of those who down tools at the first opportunity in their chosen career, in order to boss around those they leave behind. same for nurse managers who do no ward time etc. they lose touch with reality/people/the coal-face desk jockeys strange how we went from a nation that derided the NHS managers- "we have too many managers" to suddenly being utterly beholden to them Just to clarify - you have more respect for Dentists who stay purely as Dentists rather than ones that go on to get multiple doctorates, fellowships and a position as the national director for healthcare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 hours ago, FWJ said: The dentist who would have studied microbiology as part of his dental degree and then went on to study public health at Harvard University? That dentist? My word you really are impressed with a bit of paper from Harvard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, Seymour M Hersh said: My word you really are impressed with a bit of paper from Harvard. Only the third highest ranked University in the world right enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, Ray Gin said: Only the third highest ranked University in the world right enough. Yeah, but it’s just ‘a bit of paper’. Probably found it outside a pub in Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Brian Dundas said: Here is todays updated league table for 7 day average infections per 100,000 for each council. Nice one, BD. Stirling still putting up a good case for dropping down a tier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, FWJ said: Yeah, but it’s just ‘a bit of paper’. Probably found it outside a pub in Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: Just to clarify - you have more respect for Dentists who stay purely as Dentists rather than ones that go on to get multiple doctorates, fellowships and a position as the national director for healthcare? Dentists - know your place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBE Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: Inverclyde really is a total mystery, compare it to all other areas in the West, why is it so low? Clean prevailing Westerly's...🌬️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: Inverclyde really is a total mystery, compare it to all other areas in the West, why is it so low? It is averaging 12 a day, the rest of the west is 37 a day It’s pretty rural away from the Clyde coast. Maybe that has something to do with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: As for as I know she still works in the NHS when her health allows her too. Is that ok with you, does that help her escape your criticism? https://www.thenational.scot/news/18422996.snps-philippa-whitford-praises-nhs-return-front-line/ ] 1 hour ago, doctor jambo said: no, but I wouldnt expect him to lead us through a pandemic caused by a virus either- seeing as both are outside his area of expertise. Leitch is one of those characters who qualifies, realises he doesnt like clinical work with actual people, so departs it ASAP for something office based where he doesnt need to deal with ill people, but is happy to tell people who do, how they should do what he doesnt want to. No getting down and dirty on the frontline for some of those feckers. I have the same opinion of our Phillipa Whitford- chucks in being a breast surgeon then keeps carping on about waiting lists- fine- give up your soapbox and pick up a scalpel then, or shut the f-up I suppose this didn't happen either. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-mps-breast-cancer-initiative-20643099 This is presumably fake news. https://sourcenews.scot/mp-dr-philippa-whitford-spends-parliamentary-recess-performing-surgery-in-palestine/ Is this not correct either? https://www.thenational.scot/news/14901537.mp-philippa-whitford-forced-to-defend-doing-life-saving-nhs-work-over-christmas/ Maybe you prefer the Daily Mail. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3420296/Top-SNP-MP-MP-moonlights-500-day-NHS-surgeon-Party-s-health-spokesman-boosts-74-000-salary-working-cash-strapped-hospital.html She was concerned about waiting lists and she did pick up her scalpel unless of course you know different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 At my dental surgery they do dental implants, bone reconstruction to allow for implants, treat the mouth and gums for viral and bacterial infections, check for mouth cancer, general dentistry. So imo they are pretty clued up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 30 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: He's a political appointee, under the patronage of her royal nippiness- lets face it, thats why he's in it. He was appointed to serve on the Frances enquiry into mid Staffordshire hospitals in 2013. Do you think that was because of his knowledge and expertise or because of his political affiliations. Do you know what his political affiliations are btw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King prawn Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: Inverclyde really is a total mystery, compare it to all other areas in the West, why is it so low? It is averaging 12 a day, the rest of the west is 37 a day Edit. Nope, after looking at things like population age demographics, population densities etc. I can’t see a reason as to why it’s so much lower either. Strange but good of course for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King prawn Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, FWJ said: It’s pretty rural away from the Clyde coast. Maybe that has something to do with it? Best things to do there (according to trip advisor at least) are to go up a hill and walk in a park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 22 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: My word you really are impressed with a bit of paper from Harvard. I'm more impressed with his understanding of the issues and his ability to communicate. But you need qualifications to speak with the authority he does and so relevant qualifications from the third ranked university in the world doesn't seem too bad to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 47 minutes ago, FWJ said: His masters was in Public Health. He didn’t “down tools at the first opportunity” he was an oral surgeon for a number of years, as well as lecturing. Does your distrust extend to all who enter the teaching or research fields? Unusual for one in your position if it does. Oral Surgeon/Dental Surgeon one and the same no? All the dentists at my practice in Barnton are Dental Surgeons so fairly common in the profession would be my guess. But that piece of paper from his online course from Harvard (similar to doing an MBA from there in practice I suppose) is the important thing it appears. Thing is you get people with walls papered with degrees who are academically excellent but just cannot perform in the operational/front line side of things. All that training just to push paper around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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