graygo Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Or we take care of our own parents, like you do. People like to frown on the Pakistani community for having multi generations in the house. I think it should be the norm, where possible. That very situation has been blamed for Leicester being effectively locked down for months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Just now, weehammy said: An amusing rewrite of history. While it may be wrong to blame the Labour government for the 2008 crash, they certainly contributed to the demise of RBS. Gordon Brown boasted repeatedly as Chancellor about the light touch regulatory regime in UK financial services and it was Labour that awarded Fred Goodwin, the ultimate risk-taker, with a knighthood. I didn't absolve Labour of anything, but they at least stopped the wee folk losing their homes. Unlike their successors who cut the lot and still piles on a trillion of debt. A trillion that could be used now to help businesses stay afloat. But hey, keep those gums bumping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbofan99 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 " Overwhelmed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, weehammy said: You can look out for elderly parents without living with them. Yes. But most don't. Time folk looked after their parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: Pubs closed for another week. Nicola Sturgeon had no intentions of letting hospitality reopen after 2 weeks. Why couldn’t she just be upfront and honest and let businesses properly plan and prepare for this rather than making it up as she goes along. Not convinced at all that they will reopen on the 2nd either. Disgraceful way to treat the sector. Making it up as she goes along. Numbers have gotten worse as well since she has done it. Its a complete sham. A bunch of incompetent arseholes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbofan99 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, OmiyaHearts said: Its a complete sham. A bunch of incompetent arseholes. Very true. Why wasn't she be upfront and transparent a few weeks ago about time limits as most evidence suggests you need a longer lockdown as such to make any impact. It a disgrace. People livelihoods down the swanny yet again. It the usual though just drip feed the restrictions and they just go on and on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Robbofan99 said: " Overwhelmed? Looks like that chart applies to England and ties in with the below information and goes some way to seeing why there might be an issue. Covid-19 isn't the main problem here. The total number of NHS hospital beds in England, including general and acute, mental illness, learning disability, maternity and day-only beds, has more than halved over the past 30 years, from around 299,000 in 1987/88 to 141,000 in 2018/9, while the number of patients treated has increased significantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Robbofan99 said: Yes Cyclops sold all the Gold i seem to recall. That's a horrible retort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbofan99 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, graygo said: Looks like that chart applies to England and ties in with the below information and goes some way to seeing why there might be an issue. Covid-19 isn't the main problem here. The total number of NHS hospital beds in England, including general and acute, mental illness, learning disability, maternity and day-only beds, has more than halved over the past 30 years, from around 299,000 in 1987/88 to 141,000 in 2018/9, while the number of patients treated has increased significantly. Just checked its UK wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Victorian said: Hard to say. It's pretty clear that measures have prevented the situation being even worse. People go on about the apparent limited scale of spread attributed to hospitality compared to other settings and it's a reasonable point. What must be remembered is what is easy and hard to control. They can take control over pubs and restaurants and that's why they are picked on. There is no practical way to control what people get up to in houses, etc. It's very difficult to take much control over supermarkets. Hospitality and leisure settings might seem to be fairly safe but they're being picked on because they're an easy target. Quite. This means though by extension is that the outcomes will also be limited as is evidenced by the continuous rise in the daily numbers with the restrictions in place, one set for 3 weeks. The other coming on for a fortnight. My analogy is that the SG are like a plumber stood in your lounge with water pishing through the ceiling from upstairs and him telling you he can't understand why as he's turned all the downstairs taps off. Edited October 21, 2020 by The Mighty Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbofan99 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: That's a horrible retort. www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/apr/28/gordon-brown-bigoted-woman as bad as the respect he had for the voters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 On a lighter note, was I dreaming listening to PMQs. Did Ed Davey, Liberal Leader, really use his opportunity to question Boris, during a global pandemic and approaching a hard Brexit, to ask a question about a tricycle? a tricycle yes, a tricycle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: Pubs closed for another week. Nicola Sturgeon had no intentions of letting hospitality reopen after 2 weeks. Why couldn’t she just be upfront and honest and let businesses properly plan and prepare for this rather than making it up as she goes along. Not convinced at all that they will reopen on the 2nd either. Disgraceful way to treat the sector. Making it up as she goes along. Numbers have gotten worse as well since she has done it. Do you play music in pubs? Grim times at the moment. Think I'd be more angry if we followed BJ's idea of only opening Wetherspoons pubs though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB-14 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Is there a more arrogant patronising prick on the TV than Jason Leitch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 29 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Or we take care of our own parents, like you do. People like to frown on the Pakistani community for having multi generations in the house. I think it should be the norm, where possible. Yes, but I'm lucky to work from home and I have no family of my own. It's lovely in theory, but with all the other adults working in a household it could be very difficult. Many old folk have dementia-related and physical issues which need more specialised care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bajthejambo Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 There has to be a clear plan for the reopening of hospitality. Consideration has to be taken as premises can't just open up again at the snap of Sturgeon's fingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 40 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: Pubs closed for another week. Nicola Sturgeon had no intentions of letting hospitality reopen after 2 weeks. Why couldn’t she just be upfront and honest and let businesses properly plan and prepare for this rather than making it up as she goes along. Not convinced at all that they will reopen on the 2nd either. Disgraceful way to treat the sector. Making it up as she goes along. Numbers have gotten worse as well since she has done it. Listen to jason he said the doubling isn’t as bad since the restrictions have been in place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, SteauaNeedarest said: Is there a more arrogant patronising prick on the TV than Jason Leitch? What’s wrong with him mate? I happen to think he does a good job. So please refrain from the name calling Edited October 21, 2020 by Jambo 4 Ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, SteauaNeedarest said: Is there a more arrogant patronising prick on the TV than Jason Leitch? Sturgeon, but he's a close 2nd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Jason Leitch is a smarmy *****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Just now, Shanks said: Jason Leitch is a smarmy *****. Again no need to call him names he is doing a great job and more people need to listen to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: Listen to jason he said the doubling isn’t as bad since the restrictions have been in place Why you can't lose by imposing restrictions. You can always say that things would have been worse without restrictions. And if the impact of the virus is the only thing you focus on you can of course ignore the wider real impact of restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB-14 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: What’s wrong with him mate? I happen to think he does a good job. So please refrain from the name calling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: What’s wrong with him mate? I happen to think he does a good job. So please refrain from the name calling Who appointed you as thread moderator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, Robbofan99 said: Just checked its UK wide. I just checked too and the number of hospital beds in the UK is around 170k, you got a link to say that it is 141k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Frenchman Returns said: Who appointed you as thread moderator? Basic common sense and decency mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: Listen to jason he said the doubling isn’t as bad since the restrictions have been in place 3-4 weeks before the actions have an effect - his words. The doubling being not as bad has diddley squat to do with the restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: Basic common sense and decency mate Edit - I managed not to bite - just not worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, JamesM48 said: Youll be dancing a wee jig in your bedroom... 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 In anticipation of your "Not Good"'s, in whatever language: Scottish numbers: 21 October 2020 Summary 1,739 new cases of COVID-19 reported; this is 19.8%* of newly tested individuals** 28 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive 73 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 873 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 20,001 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results - 9.7% of these were positive** * We have reviewed the use of this percentage, and plan to focus in future on percent of tests that are positive. Please see this article for details. ** These figures may be affected by weekend delays in test results being processed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: 😄 Don’t encourage him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbofan99 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 44 minutes ago, SteauaNeedarest said: Is there a more arrogant patronising prick on the TV than Jason Leitch? Yes his partner in crime Jimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) Some sterling work by the Hamilton fella, you can't but admire a craftsman at the top of his game. Edited October 21, 2020 by fancy a brew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Camazzola Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: The world has passed 40 million cases Positive results following a test. Not cases. 1 hour ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: As Jason says there is a 3 week lag so it’s vitality important that EVERYONE follows the rules in place now Jason said there are too many broken hearts in the world. 💔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Today's per-board infection rates per 100,000 population: Lanarkshire 79, Greater Glasgow 51, Ayrshire & Arran 28, Lothian 25, Forth Valley 23, Tayside 20, Dumfries & Galloway 11, Fife 10. Highland, Grampian and the Isles: less than 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve123 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) Nicola Sturgeon is going to get a bit of a shock, Steve Barclay has just said that in order for Scottish Government to get Barnet funding for heavier lockdowns decisions need to be taken in tandem with the bio security set up in London. In other words work with us and we give you money or go your own way without it !! Edited October 21, 2020 by steve123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, redjambo said: In anticipation of your "Not Good"'s, in whatever language: Scottish numbers: 21 October 2020 Summary 1,739 new cases of COVID-19 reported; this is 19.8%* of newly tested individuals** 28 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive 73 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 873 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 20,001 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results - 9.7% of these were positive** * We have reviewed the use of this percentage, and plan to focus in future on percent of tests that are positive. Please see this article for details. ** These figures may be affected by weekend delays in test results being processed. Something somewhere is going very wrong if daily numbers like this are being reported and we're in tougher restrictions than Englands tier 3. The devil will of course be in the data. Which we'll never see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbofan99 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, redjambo said: Today's per-board infection rates per 100,000 population: Lanarkshire 79, Greater Glasgow 51, Ayrshire & Arran 28, Lothian 25, Forth Valley 23, Tayside 20, Dumfries & Galloway 11, Fife 10. Highland, Grampian and the Isles: less than 10. So thats 25 infections in Edinburgh yesterday? minuscule really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, fancy a brew said: Some sterling work by the Hamilton fella, you can but admire a craftsman at the top of his game. not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, fancy a brew said: Some sterling work by the Hamilton fella, you can't but admire a craftsman at the top of his game. You bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Samuel Camazzola said: Positive results following a test. Not cases. . 💔 Do you have proof of that? Genuinely interested, seems like the number would be a lot higher if it only counted positive results and not individual cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Robbofan99 said: So thats 25 infections in Edinburgh yesterday? minuscule really. No, that's 25 positive results per 100,000 population in the Lothian NHS Board area (which has around 900,000 inhabitants). The actual number for the Lothian area was 230. You can get the specific number for Edinburgh City on the Travelling Tabby site after 3pm. Edited October 21, 2020 by redjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 18 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Tell me how having one pint of beer or one glass of wine with a meal is going to encourage people to break the rules. The equivalent of beer goggles, although there's probably an assumption that one beer will lead to another and another. 1 hour ago, JamesM48 said: Nicola in fairly ebullient form today... She'll have got her hole before breakfast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbofan99 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, redjambo said: No, that's 25 positive results per 100,000 population in the Lothian NHS Board area. so around 125 mark then? still low out of pop of 500,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Brian Dundas said: Are you getting tired of explaining that yet? Nope. I don't mind explaining it at all if it helps folk understand the figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: Basic common sense and decency mate Coming from you, that’s a real thigh slapper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBJambo Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Robbofan99 said: so around 125 mark then? still low out of pop of 500,000 Yep very low. Population more like 850k too. And yet we are placed in higher restrictions than tier 3 in England Edited October 21, 2020 by GBJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Morgan said: Coming from you, that’s a real thigh slapper. Umm name calling because you don’t like someone or agree with what they say is hardly common sense mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbofan99 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, GBJambo said: Yep very low. Population more like 850k too. And yet we are placed in higher restrictions than tier 3 in England Yes its probably more accurate population which would include east west and mid Lothian and the borders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve123 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Just now, Brian Dundas said: It’s actually 225 out of 900,000 That is absolutely crazy when put that way !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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