Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[graygo]

24 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

The Guardian maintaining its role as doom-monger in chief. Although excess deaths is generally considered the best measure, attributing them all to Covid 19 will be misleading or at least not tell the whole story. as some will die as a result of lock down, deferral of treatments for other illnesses, impact of recession on poverty and health and so on.  There has been little mention of the fact that for 5 weeks excess deaths in the UK have been negative - deaths have been lower than than the 5 year average for the same period.  

A proper assessment won't be possible for a long time.

 

Nothing will tell the full story, at least no single measure will but as you yourself point out, it's generally considered the best measure. Not sure how all the other causes of death that you mention can't be attributed to Covid-19 when they are all directly linked to the disease in that none of them would happen without it.

 

Edit: I wasn't championing the Guardian, the figures are from the ONS and widely reported on by various media outlets.

Edited July 30, 2020 by graygo

[Cade]

Pub in Stafforshire closed after 10 people who had visited it tested positive.  

Video footage shows around 200 people crammed into their beer garden with no masks, no social distancing or any other measures in place.

Authorities are desperately asking other patrons to get themselves tested.

Reports say that many of the pub-goers then went on to private parties.

Local lockdown not being ruled out.

 

[Walter Bishop]

6 hours ago, ri Alban said:

"Hong Kong on the verge of a large Covid 19 outbreak" Carrie Lam

 

France has it highest infection number in a month. 

 

Spain infections rise to 282,641

 

And in case we think we're OK, the UK has 83 deaths in the last 24 hrs. 

Cases and infections have become the new deaths. At the beginning it was all about not doing enough tests, Now we are doing enough tests and finding more cases as a result. Death rates going down, hospitalisations going down yet the scaremongering continues. 

 

Whole thing is becoming a joke! More than half the cases in Spain are asymptomatic and they are counting positive antibody tests as positive covids tests all over the place now aswell! 

[Walter Bishop]

4 minutes ago, Cade said:

Pub in Stafforshire closed after 10 people who had visited it tested positive.  

Video footage shows around 200 people crammed into their beer garden with no masks, no social distancing or any other measures in place.

Authorities are desperately asking other patrons to get themselves tested.

Reports say that many of the pub-goers then went on to private parties.

Local lockdown not being ruled out.

 

Must be a slow news day, This happened over a week ago. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

6 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

Cases and infections have become the new deaths. At the beginning it was all about not doing enough tests, Now we are doing enough tests and finding more cases as a result. Death rates going down, hospitalisations going down yet the scaremongering continues. 

 

Whole thing is becoming a joke! More than half the cases in Spain are asymptomatic and they are counting positive antibody tests as positive covids tests all over the place now aswell! 

And they are cranking up the fear factor again by increasing self isolation from 7 days to 10 . I honestly think they haven't an actual clue what to do .  The hospital and icu admissions are the most important stat I believe 

[Walter Bishop]

1 hour ago, graygo said:

Judge it on the number of excess deaths they said.

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/29/lockdown-has-killed-21000-people-say-experts/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1596053475

 

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Walter Bishop

[Don Dan]

15 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

Cases and infections have become the new deaths. At the beginning it was all about not doing enough tests, Now we are doing enough tests and finding more cases as a result. Death rates going down, hospitalisations going down yet the scaremongering continues. 

 

Whole thing is becoming a joke! More than half the cases in Spain are asymptomatic and they are counting positive antibody tests as positive covids tests all over the place now aswell! 

 

Why are we testing people?

[Walter Bishop]

18 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

And they are cranking up the fear factor again by increasing self isolation from 7 days to 10 . I honestly think they haven't an actual clue what to do .  The hospital and icu admissions are the most important stat I believe 

Yeah and despite all evidence showing the most vulnerable were the elderly and those with underlying health conditions we had the "The virus does not discriminate campaign" in an attempt to scare the younger generation. Guess what has started again, "The 2nd wave will affect the youngest", for the the second wave to affect a different age group you would surely need a second virus? 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

52 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

Yeah and despite all evidence showing the most vulnerable were the elderly and those with underlying health conditions we had the "The virus does not discriminate campaign" in an attempt to scare the younger generation. Guess what has started again, "The 2nd wave will affect the youngest", for the the second wave to affect a different age group you would surely need a second virus? 

 

 

Yes I read an article earlier in the Doomster rag ( The Guardian) that young German people are now getting the blame for increased " surges" all because they were legally out and about enjoying their lives . my head is nipping with it all. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 hours ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Let's take a look at what the WHO actually said:

 

The Covid-19 pandemic is currently unfolding in “one big wave” with no evidence that it follows seasonal variations common to influenza and other coronaviruses, such as the common cold, the World Health Organization has warned.

 

Amid continued debates over what constitutes a second wave, a resurgence or seasonal return of the disease, Margaret Harris, a WHO spokesperson, insisted that these discussions are not a helpful way to understand the spread of the disease.

 

“People are still thinking about seasons. What we all need to get our heads around is this is a new virus and this one is behaving differently,” Harris told a virtual briefing in Geneva, urging vigilance in applying measures to slow transmission that appears to be accelerated by mass gatherings.

 

She also warned against thinking in terms of virus waves, saying: “It’s going to be one big wave. It’s going to go up and down a bit. The best thing is to flatten it and turn it into just something lapping at your feet.”

 

Seen from a global viewpoint – such as that of the WHO – the pandemic appears as a single, large and still-accelerating outbreak, with worldwide numbers doubling in the past six weeks.

 

Which is what I said. Perhaps you should direct that to the second wave fanatics. Makes for good headlines though.

Only an estimated 300 cases in Scotland. We're in phase 4 to all intents and purposes 👍

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

12 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

There is unhealthy ‘blame’ culture around this virus. People going on holiday are good example this.

 

Maybe its social media but I do think society is becoming way more judgemental and not in a good way.

Yes exactly . People who are assessing their risk and making positive decisions about gettin out and about are now targeted by the media and those who claim they " won't go out until their is a vaccine " ( those types are almost applauded for this ). Pathetic .

Edited July 30, 2020 by JamesM48

[Ray Gin]

3 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Which is what I said. Perhaps you should direct that to the second wave fanatics. Makes for good headlines though.

Only an estimated 300 cases in Scotland. We're in phase 4 to all intents and purposes 👍

 

 

So you agree that the world is still in a rising first wave which isn't over yet and the numbers can go down and up at a local national level during this period? 

 

Makes a change from your 'fizzing out' pish the other week.

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

So you agree that the world is still in a rising first wave which isn't over yet and the numbers can go down and up at a local national level during this period? 

 

Makes a change from your 'fizzing out' pish the other week.

 

I agree that there is no such thing as a second wave. Different countries are experiencing their first waves at different times. The vast majority of new cases are asymptomatic, which does indicate that the virus is weakening.  The virus is controllable though, that has been proved in many countries across the world. It is not some unstoppable force of nature. Yes, there will be localised spikes but as it continues to reduce it's virulence,  it will cause less disruption to our way of life.

[Dazo]

24 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Kids back to school full time. Great news for everyone. Children will get into the best environment for learning and adults will be enabled to return to work.

 

I personally don’t like her constant the tone she provides in relation to the updates. 

 

Office worker not back until mid Sept at earliest!!!!

 

 

 

Schools return confirmed ?

[Jeff]

Jackson Carlow.... That was embarrassing and beyond petty

[Walter Bishop]

9 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

So you agree that the world is still in a rising first wave which isn't over yet and the numbers can go down and up at a local national level during this period? 

 

Makes a change from your 'fizzing out' pish the other week.

 

The First wave/Second wave stuff is horrendous. 

 

Why when cases are rising are hospitalisations and deaths going down? 

 

[Ray Gin]

4 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

The First wave/Second wave stuff is horrendous. 

 

Why when cases are rising are hospitalisations and deaths going down? 

 

 

They aren't in places where cases have been rising for a few weeks. Check out the graphs for USA and Iran, for example.

 

[jack D and coke]

2 hours ago, Walter Bishop said:

Must be a slow news day, This happened over a week ago. 

Not as slow as the day they had to have on the mainstream news that a ****ing cat had caught it. I can imagine the amount of cats not getting out now.
Ridiculous stuff. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

14 minutes ago, Gone said:

Jackson Carlow.... That was embarrassing and beyond petty

He’s a plum.

[Dazo]

3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

Yes, full time.

Excellent. 

[theshed]

I don't use the gym but surely she could open them up before September?

 

Thats two months behind England 

 

 

[Ray Gin]

Just now, theshed said:

I don't use the gym but surely she could open them up before September?

 

Thats two months behind England 

 

 

 

England are a shining example to the world with their Covid response right enough.

[OmiyaHearts]

I generally support the Scottish Governments handling of the pandemic and I'm not political at all really. I hate all politicians equally and people who talk politics. If pushed, I'm pro Indy.

 

However, 14th September for gyms to open, yet you can get pished in the pub right now with total strangers. What a complete shower Sturgeon and her advisors are. Fuming and totally gutted at this decision. 

[Walter Bishop]

 

 

[Walter Bishop]

Some of us back to Tynecastle on September 14th. 

 

[Jamboross]

10 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

 

 

 

Difference being that pandemic killed at worst about 300,000 globally over about 18 months. COVID, with a fraction of the people infected, has killed about twice that in half the time and that's with a near enough worldwide lock down.

Edited July 30, 2020 by Jamboross

[Ray Gin]

17 minutes ago, OmiyaHearts said:

I generally support the Scottish Governments handling of the pandemic and I'm not political at all really. I hate all politicians equally and people who talk politics. If pushed, I'm pro Indy.

 

However, 14th September for gyms to open, yet you can get pished in the pub right now with total strangers. What a complete shower Sturgeon and her advisors are. Fuming and totally gutted at this decision. 

 

Less sweat and heavy breathing in a pub though. 

[TheOak88]

23 minutes ago, OmiyaHearts said:

I generally support the Scottish Governments handling of the pandemic and I'm not political at all really. I hate all politicians equally and people who talk politics. If pushed, I'm pro Indy.

 

However, 14th September for gyms to open, yet you can get pished in the pub right now with total strangers. What a complete shower Sturgeon and her advisors are. Fuming and totally gutted at this decision. 

 

I am pretty pissed off about it as well. Have really missed the gym over the past 4 months both physically and mentally. It really is starting to feel like political grandstanding now unfortunately. 

[GBJambo]

September for gyms! Yet pubs are open now! 

 

With thoroughly cleaned equipment after each use and social distance in place - gyms can and should be opening 

 

Why wait till September what difference is going to make! 
The virus is still going to be there so we need to live with it. 
 

Many people rely on gyms for mental health. This is having a serious impact on these people but it’s ok you can for a pint and get pissed up 

[TheOak88]

6 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Less sweat and heavy breathing in a pub though. 

 

Just sitting shoulder to shoulder with groups of people. Getting pissed, shaking hands, hugging, shouting in people’s ears. 

 

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

Just now, GBJambo said:

September for gyms! Yet pubs are open now! 

 

With thoroughly cleaned equipment after each use and social distance in place - gyms can and should be opening 

 

Why wait till September what difference is going to make! 
The virus is still going to be there so we need to live with it. 
 

Many people rely on gyms for mental health. This is having a serious impact on these people but it’s ok you can for a pint and get pissed up 

Going to the pub helps my mental health.

[Ray Gin]

1 minute ago, TheOak88 said:

 

Just sitting shoulder to shoulder with groups of people. Getting pissed, shaking hands, hugging, shouting in people’s ears. 

 

 

 

All against the regulations. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

29 minutes ago, OmiyaHearts said:

I generally support the Scottish Governments handling of the pandemic and I'm not political at all really. I hate all politicians equally and people who talk politics. If pushed, I'm pro Indy.

 

However, 14th September for gyms to open, yet you can get pished in the pub right now with total strangers. What a complete shower Sturgeon and her advisors are. Fuming and totally gutted at this decision. 

I'm not happy with it either . Really missing the gym for physical as well as mental health reasons . Disappointed with NS and the Govt with this decision 

[TheOak88]

2 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

All against the regulations. 

 

All of the above are happening tho. 

[OmiyaHearts]

7 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I'm not happy with it either . Really missing the gym for physical as well as mental health reasons . Disappointed with NS and the Govt with this decision 

Same for me. Gym keeps my anxiety in check and stops me from using drink and weed to suppress it (which then has other negative effects on my health).

 

Really gutted at this decision.

[OmiyaHearts]

15 minutes ago, TheOak88 said:

 

I am pretty pissed off about it as well. Have really missed the gym over the past 4 months both physically and mentally. It really is starting to feel like political grandstanding now unfortunately. 

It's been awful. A four month daily battle against my thoughts, that could so easily be lifted and our so called government don't give a damn.

[TheOak88]

6 minutes ago, OmiyaHearts said:

It's been awful. A four month daily battle against my thoughts, that could so easily be lifted and our so called government don't give a damn.

 

I get why people are criticising how England have handled this so not saying we should be exactly following their blueprint, but I really don’t get what Sturgeons strategy is.

 

If she was being consistent across the piece and keeping pubs, hairdressers, restaurants etc closed as well as gyms, I could kinda see where she was coming from. But it feels like they are just making it up as they go along, almost at random.  

[graygo]

2 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Which is what I said. Perhaps you should direct that to the second wave fanatics. Makes for good headlines though.

Only an estimated 300 cases in Scotland. We're in phase 4 to all intents and purposes 👍

 

 

300 estimated cases and 260 of them are in hospital, 50 suspected cases in care homes. 

Remember your face masks everyone, it's dangerous out there on the streets.

[Nucky Thompson]

19 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

300 estimated cases and 260 of them are in hospital, 50 suspected cases in care homes. 

Remember your face masks everyone, it's dangerous out there on the streets.

 The odds must be miniscule on one of those 300 infected people visiting one of the many gyms and swimming pools in Scotland 

 

Keeping them shut makes absolutely no sense 

[graygo]

Just now, Nucky Thompson said:

 The odds must be miniscule on one of those 300 infected people visiting one of the many gyms and swimming pools in Scotland 

 

Keeping them shut makes absolutely no sense 

 

Which is why I've decided that the chances of someone infected and sitting within a row or two next to me on a flight is practically zero.

[Norm]

2 hours ago, Walter Bishop said:

 

 

Here's the US H1N1 figures versus Covid, since the guy is from the States. 

 

H1n1 cases - Range 43,000, 000 - 90,000,000, estimated at 61,000,000

Covid - 4,500,000

 

H1N1 deaths - 12,500

Covid - 153,000

 

I'll let those numbers speak for themselves. 

[Nucky Thompson]

18 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scotland-third-highest-excess-death-22442287

 

For all the talk of Scotland has handled this well, the numbers maybe don’t back that view up so much.

It reminds me of the Hibs play attractive football myth. The more it gets trotted out, the more people believe it 

[Don Dan]

Scotland's fist minister Nicola Sturgeon has been named as the fifth-most eloquent politician in the world by a group of leadership and career experts.

Ms Sturgeon won praise for being "clear, calm and compassionate" by the professional development specialists who drew up the list.

By contrast, the group criticised Boris Johnson, claiming he had typically favoured "muttering or waffling" when speaking to the public and "often left people confused about his message".

New Zealand's prime minister Jacinda Ardern - praised for her "empathetic leadership style" - topped the global rankings.

Three of the leaders named in the top five are women - with German chancellor Angela Merkel named as the second most eloquent leader, ahead of Indian prime minister Narendra Modi in third and Canada's Justin Trudeau in fourth.

 

https://apple.news/AvNcivotnS9adc9eO4ocFEA

 

 

Cant disagree with this. 
 

Was not sure what thread to post this on. However most of her speaking that would have been seen by many has been on the pandemic updates. 

[TheOak88]

37 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scotland-third-highest-excess-death-22442287

 

For all the talk of Scotland has handled this well, the numbers maybe don’t back that view up so much.

 

The messaging was been top notch tho. 

[Ray Gin]

16 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

Scotland's fist minister Nicola Sturgeon has been named as the fifth-most eloquent politician in the world by a group of leadership and career experts.

Ms Sturgeon won praise for being "clear, calm and compassionate" by the professional development specialists who drew up the list.

By contrast, the group criticised Boris Johnson, claiming he had typically favoured "muttering or waffling" when speaking to the public and "often left people confused about his message".

New Zealand's prime minister Jacinda Ardern - praised for her "empathetic leadership style" - topped the global rankings.

Three of the leaders named in the top five are women - with German chancellor Angela Merkel named as the second most eloquent leader, ahead of Indian prime minister Narendra Modi in third and Canada's Justin Trudeau in fourth.

 

https://apple.news/AvNcivotnS9adc9eO4ocFEA

 

 

Cant disagree with this. 
 

Was not sure what thread to post this on. However most of her speaking that would have been seen by many has been on the pandemic updates. 

 

What a woman. Lang may she nip heids.

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, Ray Gin said:

 

What a woman. Lang may she nip heids.

 

[Nucky Thompson]

37 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

Scotland's fist minister Nicola Sturgeon has been named as the fifth-most eloquent politician in the world by a group of leadership and career experts.

Ms Sturgeon won praise for being "clear, calm and compassionate" by the professional development specialists who drew up the list.

By contrast, the group criticised Boris Johnson, claiming he had typically favoured "muttering or waffling" when speaking to the public and "often left people confused about his message".

New Zealand's prime minister Jacinda Ardern - praised for her "empathetic leadership style" - topped the global rankings.

Three of the leaders named in the top five are women - with German chancellor Angela Merkel named as the second most eloquent leader, ahead of Indian prime minister Narendra Modi in third and Canada's Justin Trudeau in fourth.

 

https://apple.news/AvNcivotnS9adc9eO4ocFEA

 

 

Cant disagree with this. 
 

Was not sure what thread to post this on. However most of her speaking that would have been seen by many has been on the pandemic updates. 

There's no doubt she's a good speaker and Boris mumbles.

 

I find her distrustful and condescending myself

[Maple Leaf]

[ri Alban]

5 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

There's no doubt she's a good speaker and Boris mumbles.

 

I find her distrustful and condescending myself

Fecking Nicola Sturgeon! 

[ri Alban]

Can folk not work out in the hoose, FFS. A bunch of moaning faced *£/&s. I'm a big gym fanatic, but I can wait til they're opened. I'll train in the hoose or run outside on the street if I need to. 

Boo hoo!