Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[graygo]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

 

Not sure but it's in very limited supply.    I don't think there's any UK manufacture for it.

 

Just seen that we've been trialling it in the UK since beginning of April so fair enough.

[graygo]

1 minute ago, Dannie Boy said:

I believe we have a protocol to follow when authorising drugs for use in the UK (EU) That’s where the delay may lie. 

 

Yes, as I posted above it's been trialled since April 2nd

 

[Mikey1874]

1 minute ago, graygo said:

 

Only if you were within 2m for 15 minutes and I'm sorry but if you fall into that category then you shouldn't be allowed out the house ever.

 

Question about Englands plan and answer from Scotland's plan I think. 

 

[Mikey1874]

12 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

Is downloading Track & Trace going to be mandatory? If the only "benefit" of it is that you might get told to self-isolate again then why would you? Would people not rather just wait for symptoms this time round?  Could you find yourself being self-isolated just for being in a supermarket carpark with someone who developed Covid perhaps? People will self-isolate if everyone is doing it, but if it is "targeted" and just someone on minimum wage with 2 hrs training telling you to lockdown, then surely people will just decide they'd rather go under that radar?

 

5 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Only if you were within 2m for 15 minutes and I'm sorry but if you fall into that category then you shouldn't be allowed out the house ever.

 

Question about England's plan and answer from Scotland's plan I think.

[John Gentleman]

1 minute ago, vegas-voss said:

It seems pretty effective in South Korea and Germany feck knows how it will really work here.Its not exactly something they have really told us about in great length.Think information I got was from news articles 

We've got a track & trace app in Oz called Covidsafe. Out of a population of 25.5M there have been ~6M downloads. But here's the not-so-good news:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/24/how-did-the-covidsafe-app-go-from-being-vital-to-almost-irrelevant

[graygo]

6 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Not sure but it's in very limited supply.    I don't think there's any UK manufacture for it.

 

Gilead hoping to have a million doses available by the end of the year.

 

Yep, I would say that's limited supply.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/apr/30/promising-drug-against-covid-19-unlikely-to-be-available-in-uk-soon

[graygo]

5 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

 

Question about England's plan and answer from Scotland's plan I think.

 

Ok, England's plan is slightly different but not much, point stands though.

 

"The system records contact as when a smartphone is within a couple of feet of another device for up to 10 minutes. Bluetooth wireless technology can sense devices from up to 15 ft away."

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/26/nhs-app-covid-19-uk-coronavirus-track-trace/

[Victorian]

It's being run up the flagpole as the best advancement in therapeutics.    Probably to offer some kind of distractionary,  alternative narrative from the Cummings fairytale.

 

For me,   the prospect of blood plasma therapy offers a much better future.    As well as the T-cell 'early intervention' work.

[ri Alban]

1 hour ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Haha knew before I finished posting that you would reply. 

 

Have the SNP sacked that deviant McKay yet?

Hopefully and more.

[JudyJudyJudy]

6 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Question about Englands plan and answer from Scotland's plan I think. 

 

Yes people seem to be forgetting that even if you are near someone who is infected scientific evidence suggests that to be infected you would need to be in their presence for around 15 mins.  I think this may be very accurate.  Its the amount of viral load you recieve which is the biggie. Hence being in the presence of someone for 15 minutes or more greatly increases ones chances. Surely if it was so easy to transmit  ( ie walking passed someone ) then it would be rife.  The evidence suggests it is not rife , however we dont know how many have been infected and had very mild symptoms.

[ri Alban]

I wonder how many folk will check if they're too pished to drive by driving 30 miles and back.

[Mikey1874]

4 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Ok, England's plan is slightly different but not much, point stands though.

 

"The system records contact as when a smartphone is within a couple of feet of another device for up to 10 minutes. Bluetooth wireless technology can sense devices from up to 15 ft away."

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/26/nhs-app-covid-19-uk-coronavirus-track-trace/

 

No mention of smartphone App today by Nicola Sturgeon. 

 

People will get a phone call based on someone telling a contact tracer they were in close contact. 

 

No App involved. 

[graygo]

4 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

No mention of smartphone App today by Nicola Sturgeon. 

 

People will get a phone call based on someone telling a contact tracer they were in close contact. 

 

No App involved. 

 

I know, I was answering @Mikey1874 as he pointed out my previous answer wasn't relevant to England.

[Victorian]

Cummings could be gone fairly soon.    Looks like the Tory party rebellion is growing.     Even Carcrash has now found a set.

 

 

[Mikey1874]

Contact tracing is a widely acknowledged tool in public health. Environmental health alongside NHS. Used in food poisoning. E.coli cases notably in Scotland.

 

I am still a bit surprised this wasn't used and upscaled from the start. 

 

But could be a game changer now. 

 

[graygo]

11 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes people seem to be forgetting that even if you are near someone who is infected scientific evidence suggests that to be infected you would need to be in their presence for around 15 mins.  I think this may be very accurate.  Its the amount of viral load you recieve which is the biggie. Hence being in the presence of someone for 15 minutes or more greatly increases ones chances. Surely if it was so easy to transmit  ( ie walking passed someone ) then it would be rife.  The evidence suggests it is not rife , however we dont know how many have been infected and had very mild symptoms.

 

What people? I've given 2 answers to him. In Scotland it's 2m for 15 minutes and in England it's 15ft for 10 minutes.

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

Contact tracing is a widely acknowledged tool in public health. Environmental health alongside NHS. Used in food poisoning. E.coli cases notably in Scotland.

 

I am still a bit surprised this wasn't used and upscaled from the start. 

 

But could be a game changer now. 

 

 

Game changer.    Or a tool for a changed game.    It's a highly effective tool once the prevalence of the virus is low.    Let's hope it stays low because the next couple of weeks will be very,  very revealing re any rise in infections.

[graygo]

14 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

No mention of smartphone App today by Nicola Sturgeon. 

 

People will get a phone call based on someone telling a contact tracer they were in close contact. 

 

No App involved. 

 

"Hello, yes I've had contact with (insert name of person who you don't like, or half the Hibs team)"

 

Edit: feck it - all the Hibs team.

Edited May 26, 2020 by graygo

[Weakened Offender]

1 hour ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

She gets such an easy time fron the press 

 

What an utter pleb. 😁

[Ainsley Harriott]

2 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

What an utter pleb. 😁

 

Edited May 26, 2020 by Ainsley Harriott

[Weakened Offender]

Just now, Ainsley Harriott said:

Feck you

 

That's me told. 😁

[Mikey1874]

3 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

"Hello, yes I've had contact with (insert name of person who you don't like, or half the Hibs team)"

 

Edit: feck it - all the Hibs team.

 

It's an idea for the Scottish Cup semi final though Hibs are already weakened. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Sky News just said that Durham Police have received more complaints and more information concerning the blind sage.

 

Let's see (or not to see) what transpires.

[manaliveits105]

It would be strange to get a call saying you have been in contact with an infected covid19 patient 

who - cant tell you - data protection/patient confidentiality

when - cant tell you 

where cant tell you - stay in for 14 days 

 

theres gonna be hoax calls ! 

Edited May 26, 2020 by manaliveits105

[The Real Maroonblood]

14 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

What an utter pleb. 😁

[Pasquale for King]

22 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

I do but you can use google. It was professor John Curtice and it was the BBC website (think) via apple news. 

 

I suspect you find all publications right wing leaning 😂

 

Not really, Curtice is usually good and quite accurate. I can use google but it’s a big world out there and a clue to what to look for is good, providing links also seems to be the way to do things on here.

[Pasquale for King]

24 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

Contact tracing is a widely acknowledged tool in public health. Environmental health alongside NHS. Used in food poisoning. E.coli cases notably in Scotland.

 

I am still a bit surprised this wasn't used and upscaled from the start. 

 

But could be a game changer now. 

 

It should’ve been, it’s great they’ve had so many applications to do it but I did shout at the tv when Sturgeon mentioned it today. 

[redjambo]

5 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Not really, Curtice is usually good and quite accurate. I can use google but it’s a big world out there and a clue to what to look for is good, providing links also seems to be the way to do things on here.

 

Is this what you're looking for?

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-scotland-52801321

[Mikey1874]

14 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

It should’ve been, it’s great they’ve had so many applications to do it but I did shout at the tv when Sturgeon mentioned it today. 

 

Surely they could have used every Environmental Health department who are experienced in contact tracing and got more people from council etc. Plenty other people on furlough could have been brought in quickly. 

 

NHS transformed itself into a critical care service in barely 2 weeks. So you can do things quickly. 

 

I saw it said in England they didn't use all the labs etc available to do testing.

 

Choices have been made. 

Edited May 26, 2020 by Mikey1874

[jake]

3 hours ago, Justin Z said:

 

As we all know, Jam Tarts supporters are actual biscuits and jam, it's right in the name. Much like buffalo wings come from buffaloes, Irn Bru is literally made from iron girders, and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a Democracy.

 

Mate.

Should have just used ths word Nazis to prevent any offence.

Despite the fact I was arguing against the absurd linking of westminster being like Nazis.

You took one line from my post and it  removed all context.

Why did you do that?

[jake]

3 hours ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

Give them time. 😉

I very much doubt despite all the claims that we will ever see the far right take hold as they did in Nazi Gernany.

[Ainsley Harriott]

2 minutes ago, jake said:

I very much doubt despite all the claims that we will ever see the far right take hold as they did in Nazi Gernany.

A similar party have taken hold in Scotland. They organise organise marches, brian wash kids with free bus passes and have identified their section of society to blame all their problems on.

[The Real Maroonblood]

Just now, Ainsley Harriott said:

A similar party have taken hold in Scotland. They organise organise marches, brian wash kids with free bus passes and have identified their section of society to blame all their problems on.

[jake]

Just now, Ainsley Harriott said:

A similar party have taken hold in Scotland. They organise organise marches, brian wash kids with free bus passes and have identified their section of society to blame all their problems on.

I give up.

Are the SNP euthanising the learning disabled.

Are they och never mind .

If it's not one side it's the other.

 

[Pasquale for King]

17 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Surely they could have used every Environmental Health department who are experienced in contact tracing and got more people from council etc. Plenty other people on furlough could have been brought in quickly. 

 

NHS transformed itself into a critical care service in barely 2 weeks. So you can do things quickly. 

 

I saw it said in England they didn't use all the labs etc available to do testing.

 

Choices have been made. 

Absolutely, fir whatever reason they didn’t think this was the way to go at the start and other countries have shown they were wrong imo.

[Ainsley Harriott]

1 minute ago, jake said:

I give up.

Are the SNP euthanising the learning disabled.

Are they och never mind .

If it's not one side it's the other.

 

Its next on the list.

[Pasquale for King]

39 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Is this what you're looking for?

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-scotland-52801321

Cheers, I hadn’t had time to look. I was just wondering LBJ hadn’t posted the link, probably because although it mentions the “halo” effect it also says that it’s not the only reason that Sturgeon and the Scottish  Government are more popular, that they are basing their strategy around keeping people safe, not just getting folk back to work and school to aid the economy. That didn’t suit his argument or his agenda. This was also before the Cummings saga blew up.

[Justin Z]

21 minutes ago, jake said:

Should have just used ths word Nazis to prevent any offence.

Despite the fact I was arguing against the absurd linking of westminster being like Nazis.

You took one line from my post and it  removed all context.

Why did you do that?

 

Because that was the key focus of your argument and was completely wrong.

 

If you're going to argue against Westminster being like Nazis you're going to have to rebut the very similar behaviours they're engaging in without making a spurious argument like that.

 

And like you said, you doubt it--that's cool and not an unreasonable position. But trying to back that position up the way you did needed to be called what it was.

 

For what it's worth, in all the time I've been reading your posts you've never said anything even 1% as mental as what Harriott just did Jesus H Christ

[jake]

1 minute ago, Justin Z said:

 

Because that was the key focus of your argument and was completely wrong.

 

If you're going to argue against Westminster being like Nazis you're going to have to rebut the very similar behaviours they're engaging in without making a spurious argument like that.

 

And like you said, you doubt it--that's cool and not an unreasonable position. But trying to back that position up the way you did needed to be called what it was.

 

For what it's worth, in all the time I've been reading your posts you've never said anything even 1% as mental as what Harriott just did Jesus H Christ

No the key focus was rubbishing the claims you just made.

For all its criminality Westminster is not remotely in any way like the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party to give it the official name.

I'm sorry you obviously dont like socialism being linked to the horrors that the Nazis did.

But that was the name they gave themselves.

If someone is saying that Westminster is like or as bad or will become Nazis then they deserve to be told exactly what a Nazi(National Socialist German Workers Party) really means.

 

 

 

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

33 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

brian wash

Who?

[Mikey1874]

[Justin Z]

22 minutes ago, jake said:

No the key focus was rubbishing the claims you just made.

For all its criminality Westminster is not remotely in any way like the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party to give it the official name.

I'm sorry you obviously dont like socialism being linked to the horrors that the Nazis did.

But that was the name they gave themselves.

If someone is saying that Westminster is like or as bad or will become Nazis then they deserve to be told exactly what a Nazi(National Socialist German Workers Party) really means.

 

Yes, and as pointed out, the DPRK is not a democracy either . They can call themselves whatever they want; it's not relevant, and it's not "what it really means".

 

As well, you'll have to help me out as I didn't notice me making much of any sort of claim, rubbishable or otherwise. I've just pointed out the illogic in what you're trying to argue.

 

So once again: If you want to argue against what WO or someone else claimed (again, not me), go ahead. There are reasonable arguments for various positions on WM's behaviour since the election. If you're going to use this semantic line of "well Nazis called themselves socialist therefore they're socialist, unlike Westminster, therefore Westminster's behaviour cannot be like that of the Nazis", expect to be rightfully laughed out of the forum.

[Ritchez]

Been invited to two barbecues (on both sides of the family) this Saturday.

 

I know the restrictions are getting eased slightly on Friday, but I wish there wasn't such a mad rush for everyone to see each other. Traffic will probably be mental as well.

Edited May 26, 2020 by Ritchez

[jake]

18 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

Yes, and as pointed out, the DPRK is not a democracy either . They can call themselves whatever they want; it's not relevant, and it's not "what it really means".

 

As well, you'll have to help me out as I didn't notice me making much of any sort of claim, rubbishable or otherwise. I've just pointed out the illogic in what you're trying to argue.

 

So once again: If you want to argue against what WO or someone else claimed (again, not me), go ahead. There are reasonable arguments for various positions on WM's behaviour since the election. If you're going to use this semantic line of "well Nazis called themselves socialist therefore they're socialist, unlike Westminster, therefore Westminster's behaviour cannot be like that of the Nazis", expect to be rightfully laughed out of the forum.

I dont really care what they called themselves .

You put the focus on me using Nationalist Socialist as a description.

You were triggered by this it seems.

I'm well aware that Nazis are opposite to Socialists especially in a western sense.

Now I appreciate you were pulling me up but it's a bad crack to take one part of my post because anyone seeing just your post would think I was saying Nazis are socialist .

 

That's why I'm having a wee bite .

Oh and also the compliment about 1% and the mate bit at the end .

Stop being so nasty

😄

 

[Justin Z]

6 minutes ago, jake said:

Stop being so nasty

😄

 

 

See I'm not being and haven't from the start. Unlike some of your other ridiculousness this is harmless, so there's really no reason to be. And this is an especially weird remark for you to make in the context of you calling me triggered in the same post.

 

Perhaps quit being so precious and re-read this exchange for your own sake.

[CavySlaveJambo]

2 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

No mention of smartphone App today by Nicola Sturgeon. 

 

People will get a phone call based on someone telling a contact tracer they were in close contact. 

 

No App involved. 

Hopefully they will not be basing it entirely on phone calls. Because Hard of hearing people and some people with communication disorders have major issues with taking on the phone. 

[Victorian]

1 hour ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

A similar party have taken hold in Scotland. They organise organise marches, brian wash kids with free bus passes and have identified their section of society to blame all their problems on.

 

 

[Chaps]

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

3 minutes ago, Chaps said:

 

[The Mighty Thor]

2 hours ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

A similar party have taken hold in Scotland. They organise organise marches, brian wash kids with free bus passes and have identified their section of society to blame all their problems on.