redjambo Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: With due respect to all those who have died or become infected, those are good figures, accentuating the downwards trend. We're getting there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Just now, redjambo said: With due respect to all those who have died or become infected, those are good figures, accentuating the downwards trend. We're getting there. We are, here's hoping there's no second wave😔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, Victorian said: Jackson Carcrash "People will arrive at different judgements". Indeed. Thanks for a beautiful insight. Apart from when those judgements relate to Carcrash, when everyone arrives at the same conclusion. He is a **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 TT&I infrastructure in place BEFORE lobbing the lockdown up in the air and hoping for the best. Sounds like a PLAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Meanwhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 One of several problems with Dominic Cummings statement yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, redjambo said: I picked up on that too. What he should have been doing of course is joining in the condemnation, or at least making some sort of strong statement about the potential damage to the public health message, but he actually implied by his use of words that he disagreed with Ross' judgement. Weak. The same tosser who slated NS about Calderwood.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Just now, Dawnrazor said: We are, here's hoping there's no second wave😔 If the tracking and testing programme works well, we should be ok. There will be sporadic outbreaks for a while though - it's just a case of containing them when they occur. However, we also have to be ready, mentally and organisationally, to jump back into lockdown at a moment's notice if the stats show that infections are rising to the extent that tracking and testing can't cope. We should even look, imo. at regional/district-based lockdowns to provide a finer-grained approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 It wont stop him parading around like a shan version of Mooth Davidson at FMQs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Q1. Wuz lockdoon too late? Wuz it Nicola? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Meanwhile. And the FT numbers of all cause excess mortality are dropping in bang on where Chris Giles forecast weeks ago at 60,000. I suspect in amongst that there will be 60,000 families that never got to say goodbye to their loved ones whilst some risible Shitehawk was driving up and down the country whilst potentially infected giving absolutely zero fecks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 44 minutes ago, redjambo said: Douglas Ross doing the right thing by resigning as a junior minister in the Government. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52806086 "I have constituents who didn't get to say goodbye to loved ones; families who could not mourn together; people who didn't visit sick relatives because they followed the guidance of the government. I cannot in good faith tell them they were all wrong and one senior adviser to the government was right." He gets it. Its heartening that some in politics still have some ethical pride in their position. Scarce in public life these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 1 minute ago, jake said: Its heartening that some in politics still have some ethical pride in their position. Scarce in public life these days. Made up for it by being a shite linesman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jeff said: Made up for it by being a shite linesman Off to google I go 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 29 minutes ago, Victorian said: Jackson Carcrash "People will arrive at different judgements". Indeed. Thanks for a beautiful insight. Same as Boris all been briefed what did Boris - People will need to decide on their own. So basically they are hiding behind everyone will have a different opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Cummings is more trustworthy than SFA referees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Just now, vegas-voss said: Same as Boris all been briefed what did Boris - People will need to decide on their own. So basically they are hiding behind everyone will have a different opinion. Yep. The Pontius Pilate position. It's up to you to decide. **** all to do with me now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 1 minute ago, manaliveits105 said: Cummings is more trustworthy than SFA referees Come on man. He seriously mucked up. There is no defence of him . Even using our shit refs. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Ross was SFA official So in Scotland its Test and Protect Taps oan or Taps aff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 20 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: And the FT numbers of all cause excess mortality are dropping in bang on where Chris Giles forecast weeks ago at 60,000. I suspect in amongst that there will be 60,000 families that never got to say goodbye to their loved ones whilst some risible Shitehawk was driving up and down the country whilst potentially infected giving absolutely zero fecks. Indeed, it’s actually disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 25 minutes ago, redjambo said: If the tracking and testing programme works well, we should be ok. There will be sporadic outbreaks for a while though - it's just a case of containing them when they occur. However, we also have to be ready, mentally and organisationally, to jump back into lockdown at a moment's notice if the stats show that infections are rising to the extent that tracking and testing can't cope. We should even look, imo. at regional/district-based lockdowns to provide a finer-grained approach. Indeed, there was an outbreak in Frankfurt just the other day, 40+ people infected following a church service, the important thing is that they traced it back to the church service and could then trace everyone who had attended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annushorribilis III Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 14 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Cummings is more trustworthy than SFA referees Talk about "damned by faint praise". 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 36 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: One of several problems with Dominic Cummings statement yesterday. Rigby is much better at her job than Kuenssberg or Peston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 The World at One taking apart Cumming's claim to have written extensively about the dangers of coronavirus last year. Turns out the references to coronavirus in his blog were only inserted in April. Oops, it's almost like he's a liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Cummings story was made around the provable facts that were in the public domain. he sat down and made something up to fit, hence the robotic nature of it all. It was truly dire to watch Dishonesty welched out of every statement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 I clicked over to CNN last night and they had a professor on, didnt catch his name. He said that science might not find a solution to this problem or a vaccine, and rushing it is not how they work, they test, check, retest etc. He was questioning why Billions of dollars were given to an English company to find a vaccine, when there’s equally as deserving studies being done in the US. He said that the only way to beat this disease just now is to stay in lockdown, stay away from others, test trace and isolate for another 6 weeks. It has been shown to work, so just do it and then we can all get through this and out the other side. It’s been said quite a few times obviously but the easing of lockdown will cause a second wave, how high that is depends on all of us doing the right things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, fancy a brew said: The World at One taking apart Cumming's claim to have written extensively about the dangers of coronavirus last year. Turns out the references to coronavirus in his blog were only inserted in April. Oops, it's almost like he's a liar. It's unreal. That was one of the main pillars of his opening remarks. Look at me, I was the one who predicted a coronavirus pandemic. I advised we prepare for one (lol). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 46 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Meanwhile. Worse than the country that's deliberately letting it run amok. Impressive. Only 36 ICU patients with this in Scotland is good news (obviously not for those affected but you know what I mean). Remember at the peak there was 200+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said: It's wonderful watching everyone line up to be embarrassed and confirmed as untrustworthy cockroaches. Loved the interview this morning - Gove defended Cummings, declaring that he was a man of honesty and integrity. Oh, the irony !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Worse than the country that's deliberately letting it run amok. Impressive. Only 36 ICU patients with this in Scotland is good news (obviously not for those affected but you know what I mean). Remember at the peak there was 200+. Any good news is obviously welcome, we’re definitely through the worst hopefully but as much as we want to get back to some sort of normality I think we just need to do it slowly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 19 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Cummings story was made around the provable facts that were in the public domain. he sat down and made something up to fit, hence the robotic nature of it all. It was truly dire to watch Dishonesty welched out of every statement Indeed. I’m sure the cctv would show how many other lies he told if it was worth looking into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 I'm just going to put this out there with no comment. IPSOS/MORI May 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Victorian said: You clearly missed the point. The absurd account is the similarity. Surely that was obvious. Nope, still don't see the similarity other than there was some lying going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 1 minute ago, SE16 3LN said: Nope, still don't see the similarity other than there was some lying going on. Ok, well at least you tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: I'm just going to put this out there with no comment. IPSOS/MORI May 2020. So the SG has been following the same advice and requirements as WM and had the same problems with ppe - testing and care homes and only difference is they have delayed lockdown 2 weeks longer but 78-82% think they have done well - did they poll nawtional readers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said: Meanwhile. No Spain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Mori poll says that since Cummings statement, those polled that want him gone has increased from 52% to 59%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Saw this on BBC news just now: The ONS's publication also looked at "excess deaths" in England and Wales - in other words how many more deaths were registered in the first 20 weeks of 2020 compared with the five-year average for the same time of year. An analysis of that data found there was no additional risk of dying during that period for people under the age of 45. I was very interested in that last sentence. Does make you wonder if going forward a far more targeted approach to social distancing and lockdown measures might be deployed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: So the SG has been following the same advice and requirements as WM and had the same problems with ppe - testing and care homes and only difference is they have delayed lockdown 2 weeks longer but 78-82% think they have done well - did they poll nawtional readers No idea. I didn't survey the respondents. I understand your points though. Its all about the clarity and consistency of message. Personally I'm surprised the WM numbers are as good as they're shown. This type of survey will go down like sooking a pish soaked lemon for some though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Just now, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said: Mori poll says that since Cummings statement, those polled that want him gone has increased from 52% to 59%. Who are the 41% who don’t! I’ve always had more of a Conservative leaning on here than most but surely to goodness people can’t actually want him to stay. Every single person I know who has mentioned this feels the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 A couple of random thoughts about the Rose Garden Show yesterday ........ First - Cummings said he didn't speak to the PM in advance about his "need" to travel because the PM was still recovering from his illness ..... ok fair enough .... so why did he not think of telling Raab or Gove instead ? (I would hazard a guess that the answer to that is that feels above the need for ministers to approve anything) Second - Cummings said when he was at Durham and he started to "improve", he decided he needed to go back to work at No. 10. so as an advisor/administrator type of person, why couldn't he just do what millions of other working folk have been doing .... staying at home & working from home ? Spend the day doing video conf calls with his pals. Again, it probably shows just how he thinks of himself - indispensable, a hands-on control freak, trusting no-one else from the civil service and government advisors pool to do anything without him looking over their shoulder. From a neutral democracy standpoint, that's pretty concerning, and reflects badly on BoJo's instincts and judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 48 minutes ago, Victorian said: It's unreal. That was one of the main pillars of his opening remarks. Look at me, I was the one who predicted a coronavirus pandemic. I advised we prepare for one (lol). To think this is the key strategist advising and leading, essentially, the direction this country takes in. A self-proclaimed intellectual and Eugenics fan who absolutely believes he is elevated above the rest of us. Yet he couldn't think far enough ahead to realise their would be a digital record of him making changes to his blog. What a ****ing chancer, elevated to his position of chief post turtle by dint of a private education and good family connections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, graygo said: No Spain? Or China ... ?? Edited May 26, 2020 by Lone Striker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Lone Striker said: Or China ... or Italy ?? No 11 for Italy mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 1 minute ago, jake said: No 11 for Italy mate Aye .. just noticed it. Thanks. Suffering from Cummings eyesight syndrome - I'm off for a drive to Inverness now. 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 18 minutes ago, graygo said: No Spain? Our World in Data says that the methodology for counting deaths in Spain changed on 25 May (effectively reducing the count), which is probably why they missed it out of that particular chart which is a 7-day average up to that day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 49 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: I'm just going to put this out there with no comment. IPSOS/MORI May 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Or China ... ?? I don't think that there have been any reported Covid-related deaths in China for some time now, and there weren't over that 7-day period. Edited May 26, 2020 by redjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, graygo said: No Spain? Good spot, no idea I didn’t make it up. https://ourworldindata.org/ Edited May 26, 2020 by Pasquale for King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 26 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: No idea. I didn't survey the respondents. I understand your points though. Its all about the clarity and consistency of message. Personally I'm surprised the WM numbers are as good as they're shown. This type of survey will go down like sooking a pish soaked lemon for some though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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