Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[SE16 3LN]

9 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

His own advisor Fauci  said it was 12 to 18 months away from being mass produced.

Some News outlets claiming an antibody treatment will get everyone back to work from next week. Is this the same one?

 

[vegas-voss]

1 minute ago, SE16 3LN said:

Some News outlets claiming an antibody treatment will get everyone back to work from next week. Is this the same one?

 

No the antibody is just to say if you have had it already.

Trump will no doubt start saying vaccine will only get done by end of year if he is re elected cause only he can delivery it.

[SE16 3LN]

3 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

No the antibody is just to say if you have had it already.

Trump will no doubt start saying vaccine will only get done by end of year if he is re elected cause only he can delivery it.

Fox (I know) are saying that some scientists in California have identified an antibody that will shield the body from the virus. Probably another pro trump false report.

[SE16 3LN]

2 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

It would be really great if something like this turned out to be true, but we probably don't want the Americans to discover it.

For sure

[vegas-voss]

6 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

Fox (I know) are saying that some scientists in California have identified an antibody that will shield the body from the virus. Probably another pro trump false report.

No idea on that then.I remember Fauci last week on about something but it was nowhere near a vaccine just a drug that was helping with it that had shown good results.

[jake]

29 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

Thousands of people die every year because of Inequality, this needed addressed before this. 

I'm really talking about going forward.

And when to open up .

Yes people do die because of inequality.

The rise in absolute poverty is attributed to covid.

It's the first time its risen I think this century.

Theres also the impact on all our health in lots of ways .

There must come a point when the current lockdown does more harm?

I dont know .

[SE16 3LN]

1 minute ago, vegas-voss said:

No idea on that then.I remember Fauci last week on about something but it was nowhere near a vaccine just a drug that was helping with it that had shown good results.

Sorry I can't link the article because I've blocked all possible fake news articles and Fox news comes under that.

[vegas-voss]

18 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

Sorry I can't link the article because I've blocked all possible fake news articles and Fox news comes under that.

Just read it it's pretty much what was said at the press conference.There is an article from 3 days ago though saying a company Moderna have started trials and are at phase two in which the will follow volunteers through the next 12 months.I think they are being fanciful with end of year talk but let's hope they are not.

[jake]

13 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

I think there must be a sort of tipping point, for want of a better term, in the Lockdown. That is probably why they are talking about lifting things for social interaction as well as business. All work and no play etc.....

 

I'm still of the view that we don't know enough yet and any extra time scientists can get will make the decisions of politicians better informed.

It's a while away and the risk without proper scrutiny would have too much fear factor if rushed.

Viruses themselves are interesting as fek.

They are responsible for memory apparently few hundred million years ago.

Some of the science videos on you tube that show you the actions of our defences and viruses .

The nature of it all is as beautiful as the natural world we can see.

It reminds me that I know absolutely nowt about nothing.

 

 

[Governor Tarkin]

2 minutes ago, jake said:

The nature of it all is as beautiful as the natural world we can see.

It reminds me that I know absolutely nowt about nothing.

 

 

 

I've missed you, jake.

Where have you been?

[jake]

10 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I've missed you, jake.

Where have you been?

Jkb jail nothing glamorous and thanks for the welcome buddy.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 hours ago, Mauricio Pinilla said:

 

Tbh, I'm not sure if it's just me but I reckon people are more scared of being seen making a slight distancing misstep than actually catching this thing  like today I was at a supermarket waiting at the checkout and a guy had loaded his shopping on the conveyor belt, he was away at the bagging bit but one of his items fell off near my end, I was quite near so without thinking I just picked it up for him and put it back on the belt. Don't think the guy even noticed but I was just like 'shit should I have even done that' and immediately expected to be arrested or something  ludicrous. 

 

Also on the walk home I seen a wee old woman avoid the danger of another person walking past her by stepping out into a main road, not just off the kerb but a good 2 or 3 feet onto it. Don't think she'd fully weighed up the risks of each of those options. 

Lol I had a similar experience. a jogger was heading towards me and i stepped one way and he stepped the same way. then i stepped the other way and he did too.  we actually both just burst out laughing. its a mad world just now

[graygo]

2 hours ago, jake said:

It's a while away and the risk without proper scrutiny would have too much fear factor if rushed.

Viruses themselves are interesting as fek.

They are responsible for memory apparently few hundred million years ago.

Some of the science videos on you tube that show you the actions of our defences and viruses .

The nature of it all is as beautiful as the natural world we can see.

It reminds me that I know absolutely nowt about nothing.

 

 

 

You're just what we need on here because the rest of us know everything about nothing. 😉😁

[CJGJ]

Another government cock up.....

 

Every person charged under the coronavirus act has been wrongly charged state the CPS in England

[Jeff]

11 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

Another government cock up.....

 

Every person charged under the coronavirus act has been wrongly charged state the CPS in England

 

How the feck do they work that out?

[CJGJ]

3 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

How the feck do they work that out?

It is true but only for certain parts

 

All 44 charges brought under the Coronavirus Act, which allows officers to remove or detain a "suspected infectious person" for screening and assessment, since it was brought in on March 27 were incorrect.

And 12 charges under the Health Protection Regulations 2020, which give powers to break up gatherings and fine people breaching restriction of movement rules, were also wrong.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-15/dozens-wrongly-charged-under-new-coronavirus-laws/

 

Edited May 15, 2020 by CJGJ

[Lone Striker]

Anyone able to explain why the north est of England has the highest current  infection rate (apparently) in the whole of the UK now ?

[Guitarman0150]

So your relying on nik sturgeon to let you know what’s going on 😂😂 inform  me , what qualifications has wee jimmy got ? 😂😂

[Guitarman0150]

Is she a medical officer ? No .

is she a certified name in viruses ? No 

is she a bullshit artist ? Yes of the first degree . 

 

[mrmarkus1981]

My Mrs great auntie has symptoms, she's in Astley House (sp) in North Berwick

[graygo]

19 minutes ago, Guitarman0150 said:

So your relying on nik sturgeon to let you know what’s going on 😂😂 inform  me , what qualifications has wee jimmy got ? 😂😂

 

12 minutes ago, Guitarman0150 said:

Is she a medical officer ? No .

is she a certified name in viruses ? No 

is she a bullshit artist ? Yes of the first degree . 

 

 

Nearly 2 months you've waited to post that. 2 fecking months.

 

[Guitarman0150]

Actually mate it’s been a couple of years since I was on and I see why now 💋

[graygo]

18 minutes ago, Guitarman0150 said:

Actually mate it’s been a couple of years since I was on and I see why now 💋

 

2 months since lockdown and the daily updates from the first minister dumbass.

 

You'll not last long.

[Guitarman0150]

Dya think they’ll deny it or do you think they’ll accept it ? 

[AlimOzturk]

8 minutes ago, Guitarman0150 said:

Dya think they’ll deny it or do you think they’ll accept it ? 

 

Deny what? Accept what? 

 

Nicola Sturgeon is our first minister and like or not she runs the country not scientists. That's who the people voted for. 

[Tazio]

Anyway, the real reason I came onto this thread before I got distracted was to say I’ve just watched a YouTube video of a channel I follow. It’s about watches but is also a sort of travelogue of Italy. The presenter was going to Venice to do some business looking at accommodation, deserted train on the way there, deserted streets when he was there. Everyone respecting lockdown and the authorities. Meanwhile in the UK where we now exceed Italy in terms of casualties...

[JFK-1]

Something touching about this given that front line health workers have died in action so to speak during the crisis.

[The Mighty Thor]

Another one appears!

 

Its like Shaun of the dead.

[kila]

Great another loony has joined this thread

 

 

[Unknown user]

Just now, kila said:

Great another loony has joined this thread

 

 

As a wise man once said, beauty fades but dumb is forever.

[Unknown user]

No wait, it was Judge Judy

 

[kila]

43 minutes ago, Guitarman0150 said:

Well they ain’t showing any social distancing are they ? Are they human ? Yes . Jail them then they’re showing a bad example to the roaming intelligent masses .

Superheroes aren’t real but if they were I’d imagine they’d be immune and unable to even pass anything on.

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

10 hours ago, Guitarman0150 said:

So your relying on nik sturgeon to let you know what’s going on 😂😂 inform  me , what qualifications has wee jimmy got ? 😂😂

[Francis Albert]

7 hours ago, Tazio said:

Anyway, the real reason I came onto this thread before I got distracted was to say I’ve just watched a YouTube video of a channel I follow. It’s about watches but is also a sort of travelogue of Italy. The presenter was going to Venice to do some business looking at accommodation, deserted train on the way there, deserted streets when he was there. Everyone respecting lockdown and the authorities. Meanwhile in the UK where we now exceed Italy in terms of casualties...

As so often with these reports you wonder how closely the observer is obeying the rules. Was "doing a sort of travelogue and looking at accommodation"  "essential travel" under Italy's lock down rules?

And unless we know how the Italians are counting deaths (and indeed how exactly we are) the score between Italy vs UK looks too close to call at present.

I have seen pictures of crowded streets in Naples during lock down.

[felix]

7 hours ago, Tazio said:

Anyway, the real reason I came onto this thread before I got distracted was to say I’ve just watched a YouTube video of a channel I follow. It’s about watches but is also a sort of travelogue of Italy. The presenter was going to Venice to do some business looking at accommodation, deserted train on the way there, deserted streets when he was there. Everyone respecting lockdown and the authorities. Meanwhile in the UK where we now exceed Italy in terms of casualties...

I suppose if any city in the world was going to look deseted during lockdown, it's Venice.

Highest tourist / resident ratio anywhere, only around 250k residents, of which about a fifth, live in the centre.

Would be interesting to see centre of Milan for comparison.

[Shanks]

2 hours ago, Guitarman0150 said:

Not showing any form of social distancing there 😳 2 metres they’re just breaking the law 😳 get the police involved cos they’re really doing a good job just now . 

Aye get that Incredible Hulk in jail

 

 

[Realzaragoza]

10 hours ago, AlimOzturk said:

 

Deny what? Accept what? 

 

Nicola Sturgeon is our first minister and like or not she runs the country not scientists. That's who the people voted for. 

The majority of people didn't vote for her .

[Spellczech]

On 14/05/2020 at 21:41, Francis Albert said:

So did the scientists or government cock it up?

And allowing people to go to work or not will have a huge long term impact on lives and livelihood. Here and worldwide.

Looks like the Govt are going to say it was the scientists but the scientists are keeping their powder dry on the unlock so they can say it was the Govt...

[scott herbertson]

3 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

Looks like the Govt are going to say it was the scientists but the scientists are keeping their powder dry on the unlock so they can say it was the Govt...

 

 

Yeah

 

A nasty little aside in the last paragraph at the end of a Telegraph article which is littered with "the Prime Minister is reported to have said.." (double speak for this is what he said but he will deny it if anyone can prove it is wrong) suggests that PHE is also being lined up in the blame game.

 

“But, according to several MPs on the call, he made it clear that “there was no question of moving to austerity and he would double down on capital projects like Northern Powerhouse Rail” to get the economy going.

The crisis could be a “springboard for our ambitions” he reportedly said, with the Government already committed to increasing spending on health and policing. His approach, he reportedly said, was “unlike any other Conservative government we have had… we are going to make sure we level up right across the country and keep faith with the people who voted for us”.

Asked directly whether there would be a pay freeze for NHS workers, Mr Johnson reportedly replied: “Absolutely not. Anyone who suggests that can sit on it.”

The Prime Minister said he would “look at” the idea of partial furloughs for employees at small firms, which could allow the Government and businesses to jointly pay staff salaries as the UK comes out of lockdown.

Asked whether he wanted to tax his way out of the crisis, he reportedly replied that Rishi Sunak, the Chancellor, was examining “innovative” solutions to help entrepreneurs emerge from the lockdown measures.

One Tory MP said the Prime Minister gave the impression that “they are looking at liberalising the tax regime rather than tightening it” and the Government would “look after” those on the lowest incomes.

Speaking about the Government’s coronavirus strategy and how to keep the infection rate down, Mr Johnson said: “We mustn’t let the mugger get back off the floor, and we’re going to play Whack-a-Mole across the country wherever coronavirus flares up.”

Looking ahead, he suggested he would examine reforming how health quango PHE is run once lessons from the Government’s handling of the crisis start to be learned.“

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

17 minutes ago, Realzaragoza said:

The majority of people didn't vote for her .

Feeling the pain.

[Spellczech]

On 14/05/2020 at 22:47, Smithee said:

What does acknowledged mean though? I think the furlough scheme's helped many but is poor compared to universal basic income via the already existing NI system which wouldn't need forms, applications, red tape, etc. The Tories won't touch that because they don't like the socialist connotations, thinhs must be done via businesses, so should I give them credit for extending something that's quite good instead of putting in place something better for more?

 

There are other reasons they cannot do that. NIC records are a mess - partly due to many illegals using other peoples' NIC codes. HMRC are keen for everything to be done through PAYE as it takes the onus off them and puts it onto employers - this is the real reason for IR35. 

[Spellczech]

23 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Again quite happy for people to take part in these things. It is their right to do so.

 

They should all fill in one of these 'do not resuscitate' type forms in the event they catch Covid-19 they get told to boost by the NHS👍

Shouldn't even be allowed into an ambulance or A&E if it comes to that...

[ri Alban]

14 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

Shouldn't even be allowed into an ambulance or A&E if it comes to that...

Neither should smokers, Drinkers, or drug addicts. If that's the case.

Edited May 16, 2020 by ri Alban

[ri Alban]

3 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Neither should smokers, Drinkers, or drug addicts. If that's the case.

Or Boxers, MMA fighters, mountain climbers, hill walkers, sky divers etc... etc...

[Spellczech]

8 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Neither should smokers, Drinkers, or drug addicts. If that's the case.

I agree. People who destroy their own health then just pop along to hospitals are what has ruined the NHS. Obesity too., Unnecessary cosmetic plastic surgery and IVF should be paid for not free IMO....

[ri Alban]

15 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

I agree. People who destroy their own health then just pop along to hospitals are what has ruined the NHS. Obesity too., Unnecessary cosmetic plastic surgery and IVF should be paid for not free IMO....

Not really. People who use the NHS who shouldn't are who put it under stress. People with money should not be using the NHS. It's for the poor.

[The Real Maroonblood]

4 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Not really. People who use the NHS who shouldn't are who put it under stress. People with money should not be using the NHS. It's for the poor.

You want means testing.

[Brighton Jambo]

As is well known I do not like either the SNP or Nicola Sturgeon.

 

But I think she has come across really well during this crisis, she had been straight talking,  empathetic and has made herself available literally every single day to the press conference.  The poor women should treat herself to a day off as she may be exhausted.  Even the most hate filled unionist would struggle to criticise her for delegating just one of the press conferences.  
 

 

Edited May 16, 2020 by Brighton Jambo

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Not really. People who use the NHS who shouldn't are who put it under stress. People with money should not be using the NHS. It's for the poor.

 

The NHS is for everybody - that's the way it was designed and that's the way it should stay. If we start means-testing access to it then that means testing will be screwed further and further down until even you can't get access to it any more.

[Spellczech]

7 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Not really. People who use the NHS who shouldn't are who put it under stress. People with money should not be using the NHS. It's for the poor.

Then it should be a charity like the PDSA...My father is reasonably wealthy, paid his taxes all his life and gave 10% of the is annual earnings to charity, and did not use the NHS apart from when he got hit in the eye with a golf ball when a young man.. He is now 80 and has vascular dementia due to mini-strokes. He must've paid a fortune into the NHS, yet you reckon he should have to go private in his declining years?

 

If he or my mother ever have to go into a care home then they'd have to pay for it, but surely he should get treated through the NHS for any further mini-strokes etc he has...

Edited May 16, 2020 by Spellczech