Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, **** the SPFL said:

It’ll never be eradicated same as the flu will never be. Numerous scientists have come out now and said it’s now in the endemic stage but hey whatever floats your boat 

 

I suggest a look at the dictionary definitions of the words.  Cheers.

[Fxxx the SPFL]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

 

I suggest a look at the dictionary definitions of the words.  Cheers.

I bow to your superior knowledge 

[Victorian]

Just now, **** the SPFL said:

I bow to your superior knowledge 

 

Not my knowledge.  I didn't set the definitions.  

[Dazo]

33 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

120,000 new positive cases in the UK.  Down 13.1% week on week after a month of spiraling cases.

 

Coming down the other side of the peak comparable to South Africa?

You forgot already Nucky ? Nothing is comparable to South Africa. Apart from following the exact same course It’s complete different there. 

[escobri]

Swinney just on radio alluding covid vaccines/passport and testing here to stay and no going back to how it was before 2020. Find out when the great plan is unveiled shortly I suppose.  I wonder other countries will join in? He also admitted again the passport was for coercive reasons and is it right another 1 million are now classed as unvaccinated?( happy to be corrected here)

 

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, Dazo said:

You forgot already Nucky ? Nothing is comparable to South Africa. Apart from following the exact same course It’s complete different there. 

 

I highly doubt anyone ever claimed the South African experience would not replicate here.  I think more or less everyone only ever cautioned that it wouldn't necessarily replicate here.  People were cautious and waited for more evidence.  

 

It's brilliant that it now seems to be showing out to be following a similar wave and clinical situation.  Going all in that it definitely would was a hopeful punt and nothing more.  

[Taffin]

Can it be both endemic and a pandemic?

 

Endemic in certain places but still globally present and not endemic in some other regions?

 

 

[Victorian]

Just now, Taffin said:

Can it be both endemic and a pandemic?

 

Endemic in certain places but still globally present and not endemic in some other regions?

 

 

 

Not really.  It's everywhere and most likely to remain everywhere.  So it's pandemic forever I suppose.  It's a red herring anyway.  Regions will experience phases of stability and crisis.  Hopefully not much crisis and incrementally fewer instances of crisis.  

[Lord Montpelier]

7 minutes ago, escobri said:

Swinney just on radio alluding covid vaccines/passport and testing here to stay and no going back to how it was before 2020. Find out when the great plan is unveiled shortly I suppose.  I wonder other countries will join in? He also admitted again the passport was for coercive reasons and is it right another 1 million are now classed as unvaccinated?( happy to be corrected here)

 

Hence my earlier points her on Sturgeon. They just can't seem to let go and don't have much intention of doing so. For the love of God can we not do better than John Swithering Swinney btw he's nothing more than the supreme leaders bag carrier / fall guy. 

[Francis Albert]

12 minutes ago, escobri said:

Swinney just on radio alluding covid vaccines/passport and testing here to stay and no going back to how it was before 2020. Find out when the great plan is unveiled shortly I suppose.  I wonder other countries will join in? He also admitted again the passport was for coercive reasons and is it right another 1 million are now classed as unvaccinated?( happy to be corrected here)

 

Not going back ever?

[escobri]

Nope

 

Edited January 11, 2022 by escobri

[Francis Albert]

6 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Not going back ever?

4 minutes ago, escobri said:

Nope

 

Not ever or not for now? Your post I replied to  did not make it clear and neither as an answer did your reply to my later question.

 

[Lord Montpelier]

12 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Not going back ever?

It's the 'new normal' , dont you know ?

 

One of the worst phrases in the history of mankind that one. 

[Francis Albert]

18 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Not really.  It's everywhere and most likely to remain everywhere.  So it's pandemic forever I suppose.  It's a red herring anyway.  Regions will experience phases of stability and crisis.  Hopefully not much crisis and incrementally fewer instances of crisis.  

Has there ever been an everlasting pandemic?

 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Imagine introducing reduced crowds on Boxing Day and then getting rid of the rule 16 days later

 

Sturgeon is a hairy axe wound 

[Lord Montpelier]

4 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Imagine introducing reduced crowds on Boxing Day and then getting rid of the rule 16 days later

 

Sturgeon is a hairy axe wound 

She needs launched. Lost the plot and dressing room a long time ago. It's only the most fervent snp supporters that seem to be able to try muster any form of defence for her now. 

[Victorian]

10 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Has there ever been an everlasting pandemic?

 

 

Taking it literally then yes.  I was illustrating that this redefining from pandemic to endemic is not what it is being portrayed to be.

 

The important thing is that recedes back into a stable state.  Like flu.  Like Spanish Flu (still exists).  Like the coronavirus that once caused a pandemic in the 19th century and is now known as a common cold virus.

[joondalupjambo]

1 hour ago, escobri said:

I actually agree, the majority of leadership and rich in this country carried on as normal whilst the serfs bought the bullshit,it’s almost like they have a plan playing out 🤔

Two words.  Elie and Earlsferry.  It was awash with rich second home owners who were commuting back to jobs in Edinburgh during the first strict lock down.  Locals complained to the Police.  The local MP complained to the Police. Of course they did nothing because of the folk involved and who they were.  At least one got her comeuppance, the Medical Officer got the boot but only after getting caught out.

 

Folk were supposed to stay in their main residence but these folk came to the East Neuk with their families because they thought it was safer than the city then travelled out and in because they felt they were important..  I ranted at the time about it and said more or less what you said above.  Still raging 😀😀

 

[manaliveits105]

We now have more cases than we had when the restrictions were put on. Apparently BoJo is a baffoon for playing down the seriousness yet here we are!!! Is it because she likes being popular more than being in control ?

[GinRummy]

3 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

We now have more cases than we had when the restrictions were put on. Apparently BoJo is a baffoon for playing down the seriousness yet here we are!!! Is it because she likes being popular more than being in control ?

Boris is on another level. He’ll be visiting covid patients in hospital and shaking their hands soon, as if anyone could be that stupid. 
 

As for Nicola, she’s as political as a politician could possibly be. From restrictions to protections she’s got a bag of tricks at hand. 

[Lord Montpelier]

7 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Boris is on another level. He’ll be visiting covid patients in hospital and shaking their hands soon, as if anyone could be that stupid. 
 

As for Nicola, she’s as political as a politician could possibly be. From restrictions to protections she’s got a bag of tricks at hand. 

Being as 'political as a politician could possibly be' is most certainly a sign of an untrustworthy egocentric individual 

[GinRummy]

Just now, Lord Montpelier said:

Being as 'political as a politician could possibly be' is most certainly a sign of an untrustworthy egocentric individual 

They’re all untrustworthy. The trustworthy decent MP’s never make it up the slippery ladder. Imo of course. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

All this could have been avoided had the Government not chosen to legislate this through the Health Act thus splitting the running of the response four ways. It should have been legislated through the Emergency Powers Act via Westminster alone. 

[Gizmo]

5 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

We now have more cases than we had when the restrictions were put on. Apparently BoJo is a baffoon for playing down the seriousness yet here we are!!! Is it because she likes being popular more than being in control ?

3 out of the 4 nations in the UK decided to proceed cautiously for 3 weeks. That's it - a decision made on balance of the data,  assessment of the transmissibility of the virus and the potential implications of this variant. 

Yes, South Africa rode it out and had preliminary data that was indicative of this variant, thankfully, being milder but as so many of you insisted when we ****ed up our Delta response by not reacting sooner (and buying every single second of additional time for vaccinations to be administered), you can't just assume we can do exactly what another country did (ie use our status as an island for a much tougher lockdown than central european countries with land borders could do). 

So we took a sensible, pragmatic approach this time with limited restrictions and now have data, relevant to us, that shows this variant to be too transmissible to manage with limited restrictions, yet critically milder enough than Delta that there is no point moving to tougher restrictions - we are heading, with this variant, to at least a period of living with Covid, which is the outcome we all hoped to reach, right?

All of this makes sense if you don't try to shape the narrative to either believe you were always ahead of the scientists/data or to have another pop at the S Govt for mildly inconveniencing you by playing it safe for a brief period. 

BoJo had no leeway to introduce any restrictions, for better or worse, as he's sinking fast and only propped up by the ERG and backbenchers still pulling his strings. He's a buffoon irrespective of whether being hamstrung and unable to act made him, laughably, a more effective leader for probably the first time in his miserable time in charge. 

[Lord Montpelier]

4 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

They’re all untrustworthy. The trustworthy decent MP’s never make it up the slippery ladder. Imo of course. 

I think your right. My snp mp, decent guy. But decent guys and girls won't get far in politics . 

[Lord Montpelier]

3 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

3 out of the 4 nations in the UK decided to proceed cautiously for 3 weeks. That's it - a decision made on balance of the data,  assessment of the transmissibility of the virus and the potential implications of this variant. 

Yes, South Africa rode it out and had preliminary data that was indicative of this variant, thankfully, being milder but as so many of you insisted when we ****ed up our Delta response by not reacting sooner (and buying every single second of additional time for vaccinations to be administered), you can't just assume we can do exactly what another country did (ie use our status as an island for a much tougher lockdown than central european countries with land borders could do). 

So we took a sensible, pragmatic approach this time with limited restrictions and now have data, relevant to us, that shows this variant to be too transmissible to manage with limited restrictions, yet critically milder enough than Delta that there is no point moving to tougher restrictions - we are heading, with this variant, to at least a period of living with Covid, which is the outcome we all hoped to reach, right?

All of this makes sense if you don't try to shape the narrative to either believe you were always ahead of the scientists/data or to have another pop at the S Govt for mildly inconveniencing you by playing it safe for a brief period. 

BoJo had no leeway to introduce any restrictions, for better or worse, as he's sinking fast and only propped up by the ERG and backbenchers still pulling his strings. He's a buffoon irrespective of whether being hamstrung and unable to act made him, laughably, a more effective leader for probably the first time in his miserable time in charge. 

After about a week of omicron in South Africa it was obvious to the layman it was pretty mild. Over reaction by politicians and scientists , no more, no less. 

[luckydug]

13 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

All this could have been avoided had the Government not chosen to legislate this through the Health Act thus splitting the running of the response four ways. It should have been legislated through the Emergency Powers Act via Westminster alone. 

Then they could have locked up all the anti vaxers and conspiracy theorists under these emergency powers. 👆

Social media would have had to be careful as well as to the nut jobs posting on their sites. 

Edited January 11, 2022 by luckydug

[Gizmo]

2 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

All this could have been avoided had the Government not chosen to legislate this through the Health Act thus splitting the running of the response four ways. It should have been legislated through the Emergency Powers Act via Westminster alone. 

Imo, it should have been a co-operative cabinet formed by all main political parties and appropriate advisors etc, with a combined approach affording minor changes for each nation (to accommodate when we were in different parts of our respective waves due to lag in tranmission etc) but otherwise sticking to the agreed approach. 

Then there would be no accusations of Sturgeon, for instance, being "different" just to "get it up Boris/the English/Westminster" or Johnson being impotently driven to inaction because his party have reached breaking point with him and would not support him and any measures he may have been advised to take. 

[Gizmo]

4 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

After about a week of omicron in South Africa it was obvious to the layman it was pretty mild. Over reaction by politicians and scientists , no more, no less. 

Perhaps you should take over SAGE, such is your prescience, and dump all the data analysts, modellers and scientists. 

[Lord Montpelier]

Just now, Gizmo said:

Perhaps you should take over SAGE, such is your prescience, and dump all the data analysts, modellers and scientists. 

Perhaps SAGE would benefit from an inject of straight talking pragmatism, I agree

[Lord Montpelier]

5 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

Imo, it should have been a co-operative cabinet formed by all main political parties and appropriate advisors etc, with a combined approach affording minor changes for each nation (to accommodate when we were in different parts of our respective waves due to lag in tranmission etc) but otherwise sticking to the agreed approach. 

Then there would be no accusations of Sturgeon, for instance, being "different" just to "get it up Boris/the English/Westminster" or Johnson being impotently driven to inaction because his party have reached breaking point with him and would not support him and any measures he may have been advised to take. 

This should have been the approach. The fact that it wasn't just shows how lame all the leaders have been over the last 2 years. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

11 minutes ago, luckydug said:

Then they could have locked up all the anti vaxers and conspiracy theorists under these emergency powers. 👆

Social media would have had to be careful as well as to the nut jobs posting on their sites. 

 

I think you are wilfully missing the point. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

36 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Boris is on another level. He’ll be visiting covid patients in hospital and shaking their hands soon, as if anyone could be that stupid. 
 

As for Nicola, she’s as political as a politician could possibly be. From restrictions to protections she’s got a bag of tricks at hand. 

thats a back handed compliment regarding NS

27 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Being as 'political as a politician could possibly be' is most certainly a sign of an untrustworthy egocentric individual 

LOL

18 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

After about a week of omicron in South Africa it was obvious to the layman it was pretty mild. Over reaction by politicians and scientists , no more, no less. 

Yep. 

13 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

Imo, it should have been a co-operative cabinet formed by all main political parties and appropriate advisors etc, with a combined approach affording minor changes for each nation (to accommodate when we were in different parts of our respective waves due to lag in tranmission etc) but otherwise sticking to the agreed approach. 

Then there would be no accusations of Sturgeon, for instance, being "different" just to "get it up Boris/the English/Westminster" or Johnson being impotently driven to inaction because his party have reached breaking point with him and would not support him and any measures he may have been advised to take. 

Agreed 

7 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

This should have been the approach. The fact that it wasn't just shows how lame all the leaders have been over the last 2 years. 

Yes it would have been the perfect arrangement  really but I don't think Boris et al thought that leaders of the devolved nations would play politics with restrictions and lockdowns to further their own agendas. The UK Govt  naturally assumed that all nations would work together with WM in the best interests of all of the UK population. The UK is too small a place to have different restrictions / rules etc anyway .  IMO. 

[Adam_the_legend]

25 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

3 out of the 4 nations in the UK decided to proceed cautiously for 3 weeks. That's it - a decision made on balance of the data,  assessment of the transmissibility of the virus and the potential implications of this variant. 

Yes, South Africa rode it out and had preliminary data that was indicative of this variant, thankfully, being milder but as so many of you insisted when we ****ed up our Delta response by not reacting sooner (and buying every single second of additional time for vaccinations to be administered), you can't just assume we can do exactly what another country did (ie use our status as an island for a much tougher lockdown than central european countries with land borders could do). 

So we took a sensible, pragmatic approach this time with limited restrictions and now have data, relevant to us, that shows this variant to be too transmissible to manage with limited restrictions, yet critically milder enough than Delta that there is no point moving to tougher restrictions - we are heading, with this variant, to at least a period of living with Covid, which is the outcome we all hoped to reach, right?

All of this makes sense if you don't try to shape the narrative to either believe you were always ahead of the scientists/data or to have another pop at the S Govt for mildly inconveniencing you by playing it safe for a brief period. 

BoJo had no leeway to introduce any restrictions, for better or worse, as he's sinking fast and only propped up by the ERG and backbenchers still pulling his strings. He's a buffoon irrespective of whether being hamstrung and unable to act made him, laughably, a more effective leader for probably the first time in his miserable time in charge. 

To be fair to bojo, it’s the second time he’s gone against the advice of SAGE, the first time being Englands freedom day, and both times he’s been proven correct. He’s an idiot but has twice shown balls to go against the scientists and con men (Ferguson), would’ve been nice to see supreme leader sturgeon show the same metal but she doesn’t have it in her. And we all suffer because of it. 

[Lord Montpelier]

1 minute ago, Adam_the_legend said:

To be fair to bojo, it’s the second time he’s gone against the advice of SAGE, the first time being Englands freedom day, and both times he’s been proven correct. He’s an idiot but has twice shown balls to go against the scientists and con men (Ferguson), would’ve been nice to see supreme leader sturgeon show the same metal but she doesn’t have it in her. And we all suffer because of it. 

Supreme leader takes her advice from the likes of Jason Leitch, Linda Bauld, Devi Sridhar. If that doesn't worry folk I'm not sure what will..  

[Adam_the_legend]

23 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

Perhaps you should take over SAGE, such is your prescience, and dump all the data analysts, modellers and scientists. 

He’d probably be about as successful as them. 

[Howdy Doody Jambo]

So 500 people can attend the fitbaw this weekend then on Monday 50,000 is that weird science or what? 

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

If she was actually isolating for the last 10 days, then how could she have been pinged today as a contact of someone who has tested positive, unless that person was also part of her household. 

She was in England yesterday ( work related) and she thinks that she was pinged as the person took the LFT test and then it was uploaded to their track and trace as she didn't need to get a pcr test.  Thats her assumption about it 

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 minutes ago, Adam_the_legend said:

To be fair to bojo, it’s the second time he’s gone against the advice of SAGE, the first time being Englands freedom day, and both times he’s been proven correct. He’s an idiot but has twice shown balls to go against the scientists and con men (Ferguson), would’ve been nice to see supreme leader sturgeon show the same metal but she doesn’t have it in her. And we all suffer because of it. 

True . Irrespective  of it being a  gamble . It  worked out . 

7 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Supreme leader takes her advice from the likes of Jason Leitch, Linda Bauld, Devi Sridhar. If that doesn't worry folk I'm not sure what will..  

Talk about the " terrible trio"  

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

we should have copied New Zealand

 

 

[indianajones]

14 minutes ago, The Maroon Pound said:

So 500 people can attend the fitbaw this weekend then on Monday 50,000 is that weird science or what? 

 

Do not question the science. 

[Gizmo]

24 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Perhaps SAGE would benefit from an inject of straight talking pragmatism, I agree

 

2 minutes ago, Adam_the_legend said:

He’d probably be about as successful as them. 

The sheer hubris here is ****ing amazing. 😅 Where do you think any of the information that you lot latch on to, comes from?

The same scientists, data analysts, staticians, clincians, epidemiologists, virologists, hospital chiefs, politicians and modellers you regularly decry because you lack the stoicsm to tolerate any disruption to your pampered existence. 🙄  All this information reaches us, distilled, with a political slant generally, through the biases and whims of right-wing billionaire press magnates.*

The outcome you want has already been decided well before the information is released to the press. Whatever spin they put on it most certainly does not afford any of us johnny-come-latelys the opportunity to do anything other than debate from the pov of our own narrow minded interests and biases. That's it, although we can pour in massive heaps of  the screeds of bullshit on social media, the Q-anon nutter sites & the server farms and bots peddling disinformation. 

Absolutely the best laugh I've had since this pandemic began.   

*I mean you could read some peer reviewed papers, like the one from S Africa which cautioned against reaching the conclusion that the Omicron variant's apparent milder effects would necessarily be the same in territories with different demographics, different vaccination levels etc. But who has time for doing proper research when Karen, with her FB PhD, has found a nice way to turn the word Covid into an anacronym...

[Lord Montpelier]

7 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

 

The sheer hubris here is ****ing amazing. 😅 Where do you think any of the information that you lot latch on to, comes from?

The same scientists, data analysts, staticians, clincians, epidemiologists, virologists, hospital chiefs, politicians and modellers you regularly decry because you lack the stoicsm to tolerate any disruption to your pampered existence. 🙄  All this information reaches us, distilled, with a political slant generally, through the biases and whims of right-wing billionaire press magnates.*

The outcome you want has already been decided well before the information is released to the press. Whatever spin they put on it most certainly does not afford any of us johnny-come-latelys the opportunity to do anything other than debate from the pov of our own narrow minded interests and biases. That's it, although we can pour in massive heaps of  the screeds of bullshit on social media, the Q-anon nutter sites & the server farms and bots peddling disinformation. 

Absolutely the best laugh I've had since this pandemic began.   

*I mean you could read some peer reviewed papers, like the one from S Africa which cautioned against reaching the conclusion that the Omicron variant's apparent milder effects would necessarily be the same in territories with different demographics, different vaccination levels etc. But who has time for doing proper research when Karen, with her FB PhD, has found a nice way to turn the word Covid into an anacronym...

I stand by the point made. Scientists over reacted to Omicron and politicians (in Scotland particularly) have not created a framework to ensure balanced decisions are made and people are held to account. I'm sure they have their reasons

[Dennis Denuto]

1 hour ago, The Maroon Pound said:

So 500 people can attend the fitbaw this weekend then on Monday 50,000 is that weird science or what? 

No, only 500 on Monday as well. 

[Adam_the_legend]

54 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

 

The sheer hubris here is ****ing amazing. 😅 Where do you think any of the information that you lot latch on to, comes from?

The same scientists, data analysts, staticians, clincians, epidemiologists, virologists, hospital chiefs, politicians and modellers you regularly decry because you lack the stoicsm to tolerate any disruption to your pampered existence. 🙄  All this information reaches us, distilled, with a political slant generally, through the biases and whims of right-wing billionaire press magnates.*

The outcome you want has already been decided well before the information is released to the press. Whatever spin they put on it most certainly does not afford any of us johnny-come-latelys the opportunity to do anything other than debate from the pov of our own narrow minded interests and biases. That's it, although we can pour in massive heaps of  the screeds of bullshit on social media, the Q-anon nutter sites & the server farms and bots peddling disinformation. 

Absolutely the best laugh I've had since this pandemic began.   

*I mean you could read some peer reviewed papers, like the one from S Africa which cautioned against reaching the conclusion that the Omicron variant's apparent milder effects would necessarily be the same in territories with different demographics, different vaccination levels etc. But who has time for doing proper research when Karen, with her FB PhD, has found a nice way to turn the word Covid into an anacronym...

🤣🤣 WOW. Tears and snotters all over the place. It was a joke, I don’t think a random JKB poster should be in charge of pandemic response 😳😳

[GinRummy]

15 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said:

No, only 500 on Monday as well. 

No it’s not. 

[GinRummy]

1 hour ago, The Maroon Pound said:

So 500 people can attend the fitbaw this weekend then on Monday 50,000 is that weird science or what? 

It’s a gradual easing of protections using a responsible, considered approach. 

[Lord Montpelier]

11 minutes ago, Adam_the_legend said:

🤣🤣 WOW. Tears and snotters all over the place. It was a joke, I don’t think a random JKB poster should be in charge of pandemic response 😳😳

And there was me thinking you were supporting my application to be Director of Analytics and Modelling at SAGE

[Nucky Thompson]

9 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

It’s a gradual easing of protections using a responsible, considered approach. 

[GinRummy]

9 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I’m not 😀