Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[ri Alban]

2 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Thanks for all the responses folks and sorry for derailing the thread about a specific topic. Hadn't considered the increased risk of if something goes wrong on what is otherwise a non-essential journey. 👍

Still not as bad as the UK cabinet, standing together at the speakers chair having a chin wag and patting each other on the shoulder. But hey, a specialist who knows what they're doing. Get the pitchfork.

 

 

How did the sun get the pictures or know where she was? Did they follow her? No-one saying anything about that. 

 

Anyway, mountain and molehill, and if the sun wants to cause trouble, that's up to them.

[DETTY29]

Just now, Taffin said:

 

Thanks for all the responses folks and sorry for derailing the thread about a specific topic. Hadn't considered the increased risk of if something goes wrong on what is otherwise a non-essential journey. 👍

Katie Archibald was on Radio Scotland during the week saying how she her training for the Olympics was going and she said she could still get out once a day for for a cycle run.

 

The govt expert in the studio told that her it was ok to go out but had to make sure she was cycling responsibly due to potential impacts on limited emergency service resources.

 

I.e if she is on the roads just now she should be social cycling, not getting up to the speeds she would normally do as part of her training.

[redjambo]

Just now, reaths17 said:

its pure speculation that she just forgot everything she's been told, everything she told us and merrily just packed up her family for a wee weekend at the holiday home.

 

there also has to be some thought into who hired her for the position, not a very clever appointment

 

From all accounts, she's been good at her job. She has made this lapse of judgement though, certainly. How was someone five years ago supposed to know that she would make that before she was appointed CMO? If she had consistently been bad at her job, yes, you would have a point, but for a single lapse of judgement like this, no.

[hughesie27]

4 minutes ago, reaths17 said:

its pure speculation that she just forgot everything she's been told, everything she told us and merrily just packed up her family for a wee weekend at the holiday home. oblivious to this whole world pandemic thats dominating all conversation worldwide

 

there also has to be some thought into who hired her for the position, not a very clever appointment

That last part is a bit far. Hardly something you could predict!

[GBJambo]

2 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Still not as bad as the UK cabinet, standing together at the speakers chair having a chin wag and patting each other on the shoulder. But hey, a specialist who knows what they're doing. Get the pitchfork.

 

 

How did the sun get the pictures or know where she was? Did they follow her? No-one saying anything about that. 

 

Anyway, mountain and molehill, and if the sun wants to cause trouble, that's up to them.

Picture was taken by a resident

[DETTY29]

3 minutes ago, BlackJAC? said:

She needs removed from her public role. I don't like the internet mentality of everyone should be sacked over an error of judgement as it affects entire families etc.  But what is the point preaching to the masses, some of which flout the rules themselves or will do so at the first sign of summer and then do something idiotic as those idiots you're aiming your advice at. Why the hell should people follow the advice from the likes of those?

 

People are already complaining about freedoms being taken away, yet those laying down that smack are enjoying those very same freedoms many of us have had taken away from us. She needs put in another role and out of the public eye.

Yep,

 

But in her defence she could just look at Holyrood, Westminster, House of Lords and press to see folk preaching to others how to lead lives but doing the opposite themselves.

[132goals1958]

7 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

It's not just exposure that's the issue here. More cars on the road will lead to more accidents and breakdowns (the sort that happen in their thousands every day anyway), putting a strain on the emergency services who are already under pressure. It will also mean that folk will have to fill up on petrol and may have to go to the garage with problems that have arisen with the car, both meaning more social contact. There are probably other factors that I've missed out as well. None of that happens if we stay at home.

 

Importantly it might influence others to infringe the rules on the basis if she can do it so can they.It beggars belief she put herself in that position where it was highly likely she would be found out.A high profile lady at the moment who comes over very well which makes her decision all the more baffling

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, hughesie27 said:

That last part is a bit far. Hardly something you could predict!

He hates the SNP. Nothing more to say.

[Toxteth O'Grady]

3 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Still not as bad as the UK cabinet, standing together at the speakers chair having a chin wag and patting each other on the shoulder. But hey, a specialist who knows what they're doing. Get the pitchfork.

 

 

How did the sun get the pictures or know where she was? Did they follow her? No-one saying anything about that. 

 

Anyway, mountain and molehill, and if the sun wants to cause trouble, that's up to them.

Most folk carry a phone with a camera and you can easily send pictures to journalists. She's become a well known face lately so would be easily recognised.

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, GBJambo said:

Picture was taken by a resident

Aye, sure it was. And it just happened to end up in the sun. 

[joondalupjambo]

3 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

 

 

 

How did the sun get the pictures or know where she was? 

NS told them.  She wanted to do something in relation to the crisis and the CMO said you cannot do that.  NS got her back up, heard she was going to Earlsferry and tipped off the press.

 

How is that for a conspiracy theory?😃😃😃

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, ri Alban said:

He hates the SNP. Nothing more to say.

 

Is the SMO not an apolitical appointment?

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, Toxteth O'Grady said:

Most folk carry a phone with a camera and you can easily send pictures to journalists. She's become a well known face lately so would be easily recognised.

I've seen her, but I wouldn't know her from Eve, if I was out and about.

Agendas!

[reaths17]

1 minute ago, ri Alban said:

He hates the SNP. Nothing more to say.

i work for a large company and there are many idiots getting put into positions they are clearly inadequate for due to politics of the situation.

 

i dislike most politicians/parties

[Shanks said no]

49 minutes ago, fancy a brew said:

Was it an essential journey for police officers to visit her home?

[redjambo]

4 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

NS told them.  She wanted to do something in relation to the crisis and the CMO said you cannot do that.  NS got her back up, heard she was going to Earlsferry and tipped off the press.

 

How is that for a conspiracy theory?😃😃😃

 

You forgot to include the bit about the aliens operating the 5g antennae.

[Don Dan]

She should be censored, she’s had a police warning. Her next public appearance should start with an apology. Sacking her in this instance is way over the top. 
It’s a stark warning and learning curve for everyone that these rules however vague they are need to be adhered to.
There are literally thousands and thousands of people bending or breaking the current lockdown rules. If we are going to be strict then there needs to be a much heavier policing of the rules. 

[reaths17]

Just now, The Frenchman Returns said:

Was it an essential journey for police officers to visit her home?

it was essential given the severity of going out, that she told all of us there was.

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

Is the SMO not an apolitical appointment?

I couldn't tell you, but reath17 is just hating. It was stupid, hypocritical and it's a sackable offense, but some just love to find something to attack the SNP. Personally, i'd sack her on the spot.

[Toxteth O'Grady]

5 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

I've seen her, but I wouldn't know her from Eve, if I was out and about.

Agendas!

Bang on if you think that. 

 

 

[redjambo]

Just now, Toxteth O'Grady said:

Bang on if you think that.

 

 

I don't think he is bang on at all!

 

 

 

[reaths17]

1 minute ago, ri Alban said:

I couldn't tell you, but reath17 is just hating. It was stupid, hypocritical and it's a sackable offense, but some just love to find something to attack the SNP. Personally, i'd sack her on the spot.

you just cant help splaffing on about them, can you, no one else mentioned them

[Tommy Brown]

53 minutes ago, reaths17 said:

i get all that, big buisness wont care about that, when money isn't coming in and theres no profit being made the big guns will start pressuring the big buisness lead party into doing something about it. also we as a country cant just keep on racking up debt, there will come a point when we the people are expendable, if it wasn't for our inadequate health service and this being an explosion of cases things would just be going along as normal

 

Your sounding like the kids in the back seat.

"Are we there, yet?" Repeat, repeat.

 

We haven't even started, yet.

Other close by nations are weeks ahead of us and nowhere near exit.

 

Accept where we are

[Toxteth O'Grady]

Just now, redjambo said:

 

I don't think he is bang on at all!

 

 

 

Indeed. What is hard to understand? 

 

People who are a bit pissed of at living a restricted life then see the person that is preaching the rules is ignoring them herself.  I dont care what party she is working for, she's a hypocrite who isnt fit to do the job

[ri Alban]

8 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

NS told them.  She wanted to do something in relation to the crisis and the CMO said you cannot do that.  NS got her back up, heard she was going to Earlsferry and tipped off the press.

 

How is that for a conspiracy theory?😃😃😃

Brilliant!

 

 

I suppose when you're the face of the government advice, you have to be whiter than white. Bit the sun could've been more responsible by going to the FM privately so the people didn't have to know(ATM) , then we could all be none the wiser and they could make their excuses for her leaving the job. Just an opinion.

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, Toxteth O'Grady said:

Indeed. What is hard to understand? 

 

People who are a bit pissed of at living a restricted life then see the person that is preaching the rules is ignoring them herself.  I dont care what party she is working for, she's a hypocrite who isnt fit to do the job

And how did we see her? 

[AlphonseCapone]

2 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Brilliant!

 

 

I suppose when you're the face of the government advice, you have to be whiter than white. Bit the sun could've been more responsible by going to the FM privately so the people didn't have to know(ATM) , then we could all be none the wiser and they could make their excuses for her leaving the job. Just an opinion.

 

No thanks. I'd rather the press continues to pull the Government and its officials up when they come the *****. 

[Cade]

Same people going mental about people daring to criticize Boris' lot for making a tit of things and accusing them of turning this thread into point scoring are the same people screaming for Scottish CMO to be fired and trying to make it out to be an SNP BAD issue

 

Edited April 5, 2020 by Cade

[Shanks said no]

Alexander Thynn, 7th Marquess of Bath has died of it. 
 

Longleat bloke

 

succeeded by Ceawlin Henry Laszlo Thynn who is now 8th Marquess of Bath

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

No thanks. I'd rather the press continues to pull the Government and its officials up when they come the *****. 

Well they would be and still keep the calm. But hey now people know, it's a possible feck it attitude coming. Sometimes things need to be done in private, as the population are either gimps or anarchists.

[highlandjambo3]

37 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Totally appreciate that about the hypocrisy, she shouldn't have done it.

 

 

That's  a fair point, I hadn't thought about it that way. I'm definitely not advocating people do it (as we've been told not to do it) but if the risk of spreading the virus is low/non existent I don't see why you would ban harmless things based on whether other people may or may not then do other things that are harmful. We don't ban driving in case people speed, we ban speeding.

 

 

I think the whole blanket ban thing is still in its early stages and needs to apply to everyone regardless or, people’s interpretation of how low their risk is based on individual activity or circumstances would start to confuse the issue of what can and can’t be done, common sense prevails however, some people have none.
 

I took a drive over to Applecross about 6 weeks ago and, for a period of about 10 minutes/10 miles, there were no pedestrians or cyclists and only 3 other cars passed me on the opposite side of the road, there was no traffic in front or behind me and I could see about a mile either way so, how big would the risk be if I were to pop out and do that run today?  If (highly unlikely) the police stopped me on that run today I would receive a wrap round the knuckles/fine.

 

I don’t think it will change (not in the foreseeable future) as this will complicate what you can & cannot do.  Stick by the rules.....stay safe.....see you at the other side.

[cannonfoda]

1 minute ago, highlandjambo3 said:

I think the whole blanket ban thing is still in its early stages and needs to apply to everyone regardless or, people’s interpretation of how low their risk is based on individual activity or circumstances would start to confuse the issue of what can and can’t be done, common sense prevails however, some people have none.
 

I took a drive over to Applecross about 6 weeks ago and, for a period of about 10 minutes/10 miles, there were no pedestrians or cyclists and only 3 other cars passed me on the opposite side of the road, there was no traffic in front or behind me and I could see about a mile either way so, how big would the risk be if I were to pop out and do that run today?  If (highly unlikely) the police stopped me on that run today I would receive a wrap round the knuckles/fine.

 

I don’t think it will change (not in the foreseeable future) as this will complicate what you can & cannot do.  Stick by the rules.....stay safe.....see you at the other side.

That last line in spades...

[Seymour M Hersh]

1 hour ago, fancy a brew said:

 

So they went to visit her!! Jesus these folk are mental. Why not just call her rather than go to her house. Did the keep their distance? Honestly we're led by donkeys. 

[Mikey1874]

Nicola on now.

 

With Catherine Calderwood.

[SwindonJambo]

5,903 new UK positive tests in the 24 hours to 9am today and 619 new UK deaths in the 24 hours to 5pm yesterday.

Edited April 5, 2020 by SwindonJambo

[Mikey1874]

Nicola "made a mistake...she was wrong...apologised unreservedly"

 

"All of us will make mistakes...'learn from them' (but) her help and advice has been invaluable...consider wider importance of her expertise".

[cannonfoda]

They keep mentioning a vaccine is coming.  There are 7 strains of coronavirus that impact humans and there's zero vaccines in over 100 years of trying.  That's why the restrictions are so harsh.  

[Mikey1874]

3 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said:

5,903 new UK positive tests in the 24 hours to 9am today and 619 new UK deaths in the 24 hours to 5pm yesterday.

 

Deaths in hospital 

[Seymour M Hersh]

54 minutes ago, leginten said:

Calderwood has now been issued with a police warning. Her position is now completely untenable if it wasn’t already.

 

She'll have to be pushed as she won't be wanting to give up the £125k min salary quickly. 

[Mikey1874]

Admitted to being there last weekend too with husband. 

[Taffin]

8 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said:

I think the whole blanket ban thing is still in its early stages and needs to apply to everyone regardless or, people’s interpretation of how low their risk is based on individual activity or circumstances would start to confuse the issue of what can and can’t be done, common sense prevails however, some people have none.
 

I took a drive over to Applecross about 6 weeks ago and, for a period of about 10 minutes/10 miles, there were no pedestrians or cyclists and only 3 other cars passed me on the opposite side of the road, there was no traffic in front or behind me and I could see about a mile either way so, how big would the risk be if I were to pop out and do that run today?  If (highly unlikely) the police stopped me on that run today I would receive a wrap round the knuckles/fine.

 

I don’t think it will change (not in the foreseeable future) as this will complicate what you can & cannot do.  Stick by the rules.....stay safe.....see you at the other side.

 

I think a big part of why I'm finding it hard to comprehend it all is that I live in a small village so on the face of it nothing has really changed. It's quiet, but then it's always quiet and for the last 3 weeks I've never been more than 2 miles from home (supermarket once a week in the nearby town) so I've not seen any closed shops or pubs or particularly quiet roads as they too are usually quiet.

 

I didn't mean to come across flippantly about it and appreciate some will feel philosophical scenarios playing devil's advocate aren't helpful at this time and I don't want to underplay it as I'm now taking it all seriously (hand washing, staying indoors, keeping my distance when I encounter other walkers etc) I just find it interesting to discuss and try to understand where the rules/other peoples viewpoints are coming from.

 

In this instance I hadn't even thought about the risks of traffic accidents or breakdowns so now feel much more informed on why it's about a bigger picture rather than the act of driving in and of itself.

 

I live a life of relative solitude anyway so I guess it's just less of a shock to my system so find some of it hard to process. Probably some denial about it all as well.

Edited April 5, 2020 by Taffin

[hughesie27]

She ****ing done the same thing last week with her husband. Get her to ****. That's not a mistake.

[Toxteth O'Grady]

11 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

And how did we see her? 

I'm not linking to the Sun but here are some bits of it.

 

Looks like it has come from locals.

 

 

 

 

One local blasted: “It’s double standards.”

 

 

The top medic, who has become one of the key figures in the fight against the coronavirus pandemic, was spotted out and about in Earlsferry, Fife — an hour and ten minute drive from her home in Edinburgh.

A source accused the doctor — who took the Hippocratic Oath to protect patients — of “dangerous double standards”

 

But locals in the quiet coastal town hit out over the seemingly unnecessary trip, which came after a working week in Edinburgh where she spoke at daily pandemic press briefings alongside First Minister Nicola Sturgeon.

Residents accused her of failing to heed her own government’s advice that people with second properties should stay at home to protect rural communities during the outbreak.

 

 

 

 

[davemclaren]

We haven’t been out the House, or had any visitors, for two weeks due to the Mrs having asthma. I’m thinking of taking each of our cars out for a wee drive this afternoon to help stop them seizing up.
 

Am I bad? 🤷🏼‍♂️

[Toxteth O'Grady]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

Admitted to being there last weekend too with husband. 

She is a total disgrace

[Toxteth O'Grady]

2 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

We haven’t been out the House, or had any visitors, for two weeks due to the Mrs having asthma. I’m thinking of taking each our cars out for a wee drive this afternoon to help stop them seizing up.
 

Am I bad? 🤷🏼‍♂️

Only if you try to drive the both at once

[indianajones]

Numpty that should be dealt with after this crisis IMO.

 

Not the right time for it. 

 

[Cade]

""NHS England figures – which make up the bulk of UK deaths – reflect the day on which the death was reported, not the actual date of death, which is usually days, sometimes weeks, before it appears in the figures.""

 

So how are we supposed to model anything or make judgements on anything based on those numbers if they're not accurate?!

[ri Alban]

Pretty embarrassing for Scotland now.

[davemclaren]

2 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said:

Only if you try to drive the both at once

🤔