Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[The Internet]

Sturgeon on forth one being 'grilled' by ewen cameron

 

'when's it gonnae be over nicola, when's it gonnae be over' can sum up his line of questioning. 

[GinRummy]

2 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said:

Sturgeon on forth one being 'grilled' by ewen cameron

 

'when's it gonnae be over nicola, when's it gonnae be over' can sum up his line of questioning. 

Good grief! Why on earth waste an interview on him? 

Edited April 3, 2020 by GinRummy

[The Internet]

3 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Good grief! Why on earth waste an interview on him? 

 

Just asked when the fitbaw season can start up again. 

[GinRummy]

3 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said:

 

Just asked when the fitbaw season can start up again. 

Ffs 😂

[JudyJudyJudy]

I think we will only know how many more are infected in a few weeks.  Unsure about others but I was a bit blaise mid March ( weekend of 13th ) and was out and about , shopping etc.  Didn't really take in much of the news or choice to ignore it until Monday 16th then took it seriously as did the UK and have been self isolated since.  I would assume numbers would drop due to most people following the social distancing and social isolation.  I would also assume that if you havent had any symptoms up till now its unlikely that you have the virus ( if you have self isolated ? 

[Victorian]

A bit of mixed messaging from Hancock on antibody tests.    He seems to be suggesting that they do not have a reliable test to use at large scale and that there wont be one for a while.    He also said they do have a very accurate test that was developed by Porton Down that is being exclusively used for research purposes.    He described it as the best yet developed anywhere but it's small in scale.    Currently at 500 per day.    There hasn't been any detail given regarding the capacity to scale this one up.     It would be useful for someone to seize on this and ask at the next briefing.

 

Even at 500 per day,   a test of high accuracy should fairly quickly be able to provide the first reasonable extrapolation of how widespread infection has been.    

 

All based on the premise that Hancock isn't just blagging more government BS.

[Victorian]

Small business loan scheme (the £330bn one... mind that?) is being looked at again after data shows less than 1000 of 130,000 applications have been approved by banks.

 

Yeah... that's what happens when you try to save an economy by inventing an impressive sounding number and putting a £ sign in front of it.

[The Mighty Thor]

Busier out there again today. Folks are starting to creep back out again.

[highlandjambo3]

11 hours ago, Ehllhayapeh said:

Just off a conference call with colleagues in Ecuador.

 

The situation there is beyond belief. Theres bodies in the street in some places, people are dying in their homes and not being collected and doctors are not issuing death certificates.

 

Its unimaginable how people are coping with that. 

 

There will be a massive amount of horror stories to come..........it’s understandable and not surprising (although possibly selfish) that we look after our own and the modern world pulls its knowledge and science together to beat this but, a lot of countries will go to the wall with this.  I worked in Sierra Leone for a year, there is no way they (and many other African countries) are dealing with this at any real level other than massive loss of life and massive chaos........ although their richest will do ok.

[GinRummy]

2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Small business loan scheme (the £330bn one... mind that?) is being looked at again after data shows less than 1000 of 130,000 applications have been approved by banks.

 

Yeah... that's what happens when you try to save an economy by inventing an impressive sounding number and putting a £ sign in front of it.

I’ve had a shocking week trying to secure funding. Eventually complained about being railroaded into applying for a small business loan as opposed to the Coronavirus Business interruption Loan Scheme. The loan advisor I eventually got to speak to advised the best way to get funding is by telephone interview which has been set up for next week. 
 

if anybody is in a similar position here’s why it’s better to speak to a loan advisor/business relationship manager  as opposed to filling in an online application (according to her). If you apply for a loan it’ll either be accepted or rejected. If you discuss your options with someone they should be able to advise how much money they’re likely to give you, so even if you don’t get the original amount requested  you may get something. 
 

That’s the advice I’ve been given, not my advice to others. 

[kingantti1874]

The banks don’t have the infrastructure to process the volumes. Huge Issue. Call centre staff weren’t set up to wfh

[Jambo-Jimbo]

9 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Busier out there again today. Folks are starting to creep back out again.

 

Just off the phone to my laddie and he was saying the A68 was just like a normal day, busy as feck.

 

[doctor jambo]

Our practice has just been to screfix to collect our PPE that we have had to buy- full body outfits.

It is only a matter of WHEN and HOW BAD we catch covid, and not "if"

[hughesie27]

18 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Busier out there again today. Folks are starting to creep back out again.

Yep, I'm doing a shop at Sainsburys (Longstone) and the queue to get in stretched right round to the back of the carpark.

[AlimOzturk]

Asda at the jewel always decent for shopping. Never to busy, big enough to get around with social distancing and no lines. 

[DETTY29]

With a not bad weekend coming up and mid forecasting being decent we need a message from the FM today for folk not to drive for exercise and stay within reasonable distance from home.

 

Monitor over weekend and if ignored 2km radius from home imposed like Ireland.

 

As a PS my wife walked from Gilmerton home last night and while naturally within close distance of RIE, she said it was just constant ambulances.

[GinRummy]

12 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Our practice has just been to screfix to collect our PPE that we have had to buy- full body outfits.

It is only a matter of WHEN and HOW BAD we catch covid, and not "if"

It’’s An absolute disgrace. Why has the government not just taken ppe from wholesalers and suppliers and ordered the army to dish it out. It might not be the right medical equipment needed but better than nothing. 
 

the government response in many ways is looking poorer and poorer by the day. 
 

 

[sadj]

29 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

It’’s An absolute disgrace. Why has the government not just taken ppe from wholesalers and suppliers and ordered the army to dish it out. It might not be the right medical equipment needed but better than nothing. 
 

the government response in many ways is looking poorer and poorer by the day. 
 

 

Indeed , I was happy to give Bojo his dues earlier in it for how he was dealing with things and communicating. Then as time has gone on its seemed more bluster and less action. The rules are being interpreted as people want instead of clear direction and supermarkets were mobbed to the point where the virus will have been passed about until say the end of last week. It’s almost like they chose to stick with herd immunity but just tried to be sneaky in continuing it. 

[GinRummy]

2 minutes ago, sadj said:

Indeed , I was happy to give Bojo his dues earlier in it for how he was dealing with things and communicating. Then as time has gone on its seemed more bluster and less action. The rules are being interpreted as people want instead of clear direction and supermarkets were mobbed to the point where the virus will have been passed about until say the end of last week. It’s almost like they chose to stick with herd immunity but just tried to be sneaky in continuing it. 

Agree. They’re clamouring now to justify ppe shortages and lack of tests. The launch of the CBILS scheme has been a total and utter disaster. Two accountants I’ve spoken to have told me there’s no chance the much needed 80% scheme will actually have paid out cash by the end of April. TFL has been a shambles with overcrowded buses and trains. Old people at high risk are still routinely having to leave home for supplies because there’s no coherent plan about how to effectively shield people. Criticism on sourcing ventilators. Uneven policing. 
 

they started of well but mainly just chat. They’re flapping more and more. 

[sadj]

2 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Agree. They’re clamouring now to justify ppe shortages and lack of tests. The launch of the CBILS scheme has been a total and utter disaster. Two accountants I’ve spoken to have told me there’s no chance the much needed 80% scheme will actually have paid out cash by the end of April. TFL has been a shambles with overcrowded buses and trains. Old people at high risk are still routinely having to leave home for supplies because there’s no coherent plan about how to effectively shield people. Criticism on sourcing ventilators. Uneven policing. 
 

they started of well but mainly just chat. They’re flapping more and more. 

Imo summed up well there. Our older neighbours are getting looked after by us but even the local community groups have died off a bit after the initial look at us helping.  A clear concise plan needs laid out for all things involved. I have no real issue with the military on the streets but hardly seems worth it there is hundreds of thousands with it now surely. Kind of feels a bit like ah well lets just play kiddie on look out for folks n hope

[Victorian]

I've seen some chat about the UK supposedly approaching 'the peak' sooner than was earlier thought.    Briefed out?    Optics?    Information manipulation?

 

It would be reasonable to believe that this sort of information is useful to manage public concern / confidence.    What's the implied suggestion?    It's coming quicker but the worst will be over sooner.    I'm highly suspicious.

 

People can see the drawn out plateau going on in Italy and now Spain.     The UK figures are closely following,   so why would we not follow the graph once the plateau is reached?     It depicts a horrendous view ahead.

 

Peak is coming sooner,   is it?     Are you sure?    Maybe the plateau is coming sooner.    What evidence is there to display any peak at all?     Yet more iŕresponsible,   non evidenced bluster imo.

[highlandjambo3]

1 hour ago, DETTY29 said:

With a not bad weekend coming up and mid forecasting being decent we need a message from the FM today for folk not to drive for exercise and stay within reasonable distance from home.

 

Monitor over weekend and if ignored 2km radius from home imposed like Ireland.

 

As a PS my wife walked from Gilmerton home last night and while naturally within close distance of RIE, she said it was just constant ambulances.

She must be hard as fek.......no one walks through gilmerton at night

[GinRummy]

3 minutes ago, sadj said:

Imo summed up well there. Our older neighbours are getting looked after by us but even the local community groups have died off a bit after the initial look at us helping.  A clear concise plan needs laid out for all things involved. I have no real issue with the military on the streets but hardly seems worth it there is hundreds of thousands with it now surely. Kind of feels a bit like ah well lets just play kiddie on look out for folks n hope

Yep. The support for the shielding plan, other than friends and neighbours have to do it, falls way short.  

[sadj]

46 more deaths in Scotland

[I P Knightley]

18 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Promising 100,000 tests a day by end April must have the supplies coming.

Just a blustered out number.

 

There was no plan of how we get from here to there. There was no commitment to fall on his sword if they fail to reach that target. Just saying a happy number and hoping that no one will question it. And, true to form, no one really questioned it. Partly a problem with the press conference format; partly laziness from the media.

[JimmyCant]

11 hours ago, graygo said:

 

Doing my bit for the Italians by waiting.

If you log in to PornHub now you get an online form in Italian inviting you to claim benefits. There is also some useful advice on having your washing machine fixed and a helpful video. 

[Victorian]

Sturgeon has just called out the early peak stuff.    Good on her.     

[GinRummy]

2 minutes ago, I P Knightley said:

Just a blustered out number.

 

There was no plan of how we get from here to there. There was no commitment to fall on his sword if they fail to reach that target. Just saying a happy number and hoping that no one will question it. And, true to form, no one really questioned it. Partly a problem with the press conference format; partly laziness from the media.

I’m getting really pissed off with the lack of journalists willing to bring the government to task over the continued series of **** ups.

 

Sturgeon should be quizzed more as well. Sort of sums up the shitey, namby pamby way the media are dealing with this that some halfwit thought it would be a good idea to let Ewen Cameron interview the first minister this morning. 

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

Sturgeon has just called out the early peak stuff.    Good on her.     

Saw that. Good, clear speech there. 

[DETTY29]

FM no basis or data to say this will peak in one week's time.

 

Hopefully she is wrong but better being straight than telling us what we want to hear.

Edited April 3, 2020 by DETTY29

[Victorian]

Just now, GinRummy said:

Saw that. Good, clear speech there. 

 

It's important to interpret the nuance of language.    Her words leave no doubt as to the origin of that early peak 'info'.    Expertly crafted (not a political praise).

[kila]

9 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

If you log in to PornHub now you get an online form in Italian inviting you to claim benefits. There is also some useful advice on having your washing machine fixed and a helpful video. 

 

In the form of a porno?

 

[GinRummy]

3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

It's important to interpret the nuance of language.    Her words leave no doubt as to the origin of that early peak 'info'.    Expertly crafted (not a political praise).

I’m not a supporter of any political party but i do have more trust in Nicola sturgeon than anyone in the uk government.  That’s not to say I trust her.

[DETTY29]

20 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

I’m getting really pissed off with the lack of journalists willing to bring the government to task over the continued series of **** ups.

 

Sturgeon should be quizzed more as well. Sort of sums up the shitey, namby pamby way the media are dealing with this that some halfwit thought it would be a good idea to let Ewen Cameron interview the first minister this morning. 

I wonder how any folk listen to Forth 1 at that time and how many are watching BBC Scotland just now?

 

If it helps to get message across more all avenues have merit. 

 

That said, her advisers should be making it clear he needs to be asking serious questions and he is briefed by their own proper journalists.  Or get one of them to do it during his show.

 

Also, at the FM briefing journalists get one question.  If the FM, CMO or normally Health Secretary don't give a straight answer, then the next journalist(s) need to decide is their specific question more important, or do they challenge the first response?

 

But your point on journalists is correct.

 

Those poor sods in America.  Tough question on Trump 'who are you with?  Thought as much'

 

'Brian from Fox News next'

Edited April 3, 2020 by DETTY29

[Victorian]

Johnson apparently still has a fever.    Wee bit concerned by that tbh.    There has been some evidence to suggest that some of the seemingly mild/moderate symptom cases that prolong can end up as more serious.   'Mon Boris.

[vegas-voss]

29 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Sturgeon has just called out the early peak stuff.    Good on her.     

What did she say ? Missed briefing today 

[East Lothian Jambo]

5 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

What did she say ? Missed briefing today 

It was nice and Scottishy 

[Baldwigforjack]

51 minutes ago, Victorian said:

I've seen some chat about the UK supposedly approaching 'the peak' sooner than was earlier thought.    Briefed out?    Optics?    Information manipulation?

 

It would be reasonable to believe that this sort of information is useful to manage public concern / confidence.    What's the implied suggestion?    It's coming quicker but the worst will be over sooner.    I'm highly suspicious.

 

People can see the drawn out plateau going on in Italy and now Spain.     The UK figures are closely following,   so why would we not follow the graph once the plateau is reached?     It depicts a horrendous view ahead.

 

Peak is coming sooner,   is it?     Are you sure?    Maybe the plateau is coming sooner.    What evidence is there to display any peak at all?     Yet more iŕresponsible,   non evidenced bluster imo.

No matter how the virus continues there will be a peak, that's the nature of the beast. Infections will rise,then either fall or plateau and that's when we see where the peak is/was.

 

The plateau cannot come before the peak, when we get a plateau  then we have already peaked.

Edited April 3, 2020 by Baldwigforjack

[Homme]

Mrs Homme got her appointment in for the breast clinic which is a huge relief. For next Thursday. 

 

Reckon she got in their system before any cut off took place.

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

What did she say ? Missed briefing today 

 

She poured a bucket of water on the stuff being suggested re the UK maybe reaching 'the peak' earlier than thought.    In one week.     She said that her promise to be straight with people means she had to say that she has seen no evidence to support it.     For my money,   she left it an open matter regarding how this 'theory' has suddenly come into being.   My opinion is that she would have shielded the four nations co-operative approach if her honesty allowed.    

[stirlo]

47 minutes ago, Victorian said:

I've seen some chat about the UK supposedly approaching 'the peak' sooner than was earlier thought.    Briefed out?    Optics?    Information manipulation?

 

It would be reasonable to believe that this sort of information is useful to manage public concern / confidence.    What's the implied suggestion?    It's coming quicker but the worst will be over sooner.    I'm highly suspicious.

 

People can see the drawn out plateau going on in Italy and now Spain.     The UK figures are closely following,   so why would we not follow the graph once the plateau is reached?     It depicts a horrendous view ahead.

 

Peak is coming sooner,   is it?     Are you sure?    Maybe the plateau is coming sooner.    What evidence is there to display any peak at all?     Yet more iŕresponsible,   non evidenced bluster imo.

 

There seems to be quite a prevalent view that with present measures in place, the 'peak' could be expected around the Easter weekend. But quite a few recent predictions by so-called experts have proved to be very wide of the mark, so I think we have to treat any predictions with caution.

 

There are still so many unknowns about the virus, such as whether the arrival of warmer weather in Europe will make a difference. I had rather assumed that finding out whether a virus survives at certain temperatures would be relatively straight-forward to assess, but evidently that is not the case.

[GinRummy]

3 minutes ago, Homme said:

Mrs Homme got her appointment in for the breast clinic which is a huge relief. For next Thursday. 

 

Reckon she got in their system before any cut off took place.

Great news. Any more progress on face masks, ppe?

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, Baldwigforjack said:

No matter how the virus continues there will be a peak, that's the nature of the beast. Infections will rise,then either fall or plateau and that's when we see where the peak is/was.

 

The plateau cannot come before the peak, when we get a plateau  then we have already peaked.

 

It's either a peak or a plateau.   Nobody has suggested you cannot have a peak if you have a plateau,   either before or after a peak.    If you have a small peak either side of a prolonged plateau,   would it not be reasonable to view the plateau as the more important feature?

 

Suggestions of an early peak are not providing an honest assessment.    People would be better served by officials preparing them for the distinct possibility of a drawn out plateau rather than the short term suggestion of a quick peak.

[Victorian]

8 minutes ago, stirlo said:

 

There seems to be quite a prevalent view that with present measures in place, the 'peak' could be expected around the Easter weekend. But quite a few recent predictions by so-called experts have proved to be very wide of the mark, so I think we have to treat any predictions with caution.

 

There are still so many unknowns about the virus, such as whether the arrival of warmer weather in Europe will make a difference. I had rather assumed that finding out whether a virus survives at certain temperatures would be relatively straight-forward to assess, but evidently that is not the case.

 

Exactly so.   If this has shown us one thing so far,   it's that it has been distinctly unpredictable.    

[iantjambo]

Just a matter of time now for the wife’s mum sadly. Her major organs are failing and we’re basically just hoping for a huge miracle.

[Victorian]

Very sorry to hear that.   All the best.

[Morgan]

Just now, iantjambo said:

Just a matter of time now for the wife’s mum sadly. Her major organs are failing and we’re basically just hoping for a huge miracle.

 

 

Sorry seems to be the hardest word, Ian.

 

And, in this case, not nearly enough.

 

Morgs

 

 

[Homme]

10 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Great news. Any more progress on face masks, ppe?

 

She was working yesterday but I don't think she heard of any progress tbh. 

 

Next in on Monday again so would be nice to have better news then. 

[iantjambo]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

Very sorry to hear that.   All the best.

 

Just now, Morgan said:

 

 

Sorry seems to be the hardest word, Ian.

 

And, in this case, not nearly enough.

 

Morgs

 

 

Cheers guys. Mrs tjambo is obviously in bits. I explained earlier that things between her and her mum hadn’t been good for many years but they had started building bridges again. She’s devastated that she’s unlikely to ever see her again and will be unable to patch their differences in person.

[vegas-voss]

21 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

She poured a bucket of water on the stuff being suggested re the UK maybe reaching 'the peak' earlier than thought.    In one week.     She said that her promise to be straight with people means she had to say that she has seen no evidence to support it.     For my money,   she left it an open matter regarding how this 'theory' has suddenly come into being.   My opinion is that she would have shielded the four nations co-operative approach if her honesty allowed.    

Thanks