Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[RobboM]

59 minutes ago, Cade said:

Another day, another mention of the mythical "25,000 tests a day" and still with no tests ready to go and hardly any tests actually being done.

If they keep saying "25,000 tests a day", does that make it real?

 

 

It will be the same Alice in Wonderland maths as at the General Election with new nurses and new hospital figures. The daily target of 25k/100k will include tests that have already been done that they no longer need to re-do 👍

[Jambof3tornado]

18 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said:

This...... I used to run a small outdoor catering business and often seen other caterers with no clue about using gloves.  People automatically assume that a caterer wearing gloves must be super clean.....bollocks, I’d often see them touching surfaces then food, back to cupboard door handles, doors etc......as soon as gloves come in contact with a germ, the glove will carry that germ in the same way as you would do with no gloves, the glove will then go on to contaminate anything else it touches.  There is no substitute for clean hands and knowing when & how to wash hands properly.

Correct. Handwashing with soap and water is THE single best way to stop this spreading. We have no excuse, we are not a 3rd world country with a lack of soap and or water.

 

Wash yer hands ya dirty bassers.

[Jambof3tornado]

10 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

ICU is generally not about low staff to patient ratios - that's why it is called Intensive Care TBH

 

I just watched a BBC News team visit to Ninewells in Dundee. My nurse wife was sitting beside me going - Why are they not wearing PPE? Why is she not fastening the gown at the back? etc etc - Was strangely amusing and worrying at the same time!

Of course icu isnt about low staff to patient ratios, but ICUs aren't normally bursting at the seams. The point I was making is that nightingale allows less staff to care for more acutely unwell individuals than traditional ICUs could deal with.

[Mikey1874]

People dying seemingly getting the virus in hospital isn't good.

 

Suppose that sort of thing is already common. 

[Mikey1874]

34 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

They just say a number.Will end up them saying a million when they get more grief about it in a week or so

 

Another number is they say that they have bought 17 million antibody tests though they don't work yet to be able to use. 

[Victorian]

Just now, Mikey1874 said:

 

Another number is they say that they have bought 17 million antibody tests though they don't work yet to be able to use. 

 

They have to validate accuracy.    Accuracy will need to be very high to risk using them at scale.   Any kind of inaccuracy rate makes them dangerous.    They probably don't produce a true positive result until 20 odd days from infection so they are no use at the moment for targetted testing.    Later on they will be.     

[Jambo-Jimbo]

3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

They have to validate accuracy.    Accuracy will need to be very high to risk using them at scale.   Any kind of inaccuracy rate makes them dangerous.    They probably don't produce a true positive result until 20 odd days from infection so they are no use at the moment for targetted testing.    Later on they will be.     

 

28 days was mentioned.

 

[Tazio]

Just saw a few posts on my Facebook with people posting their photos of where they’ve been for walks. All of them miles from where they live so obviously driving to them. They’ll be the first to moan if they get an on the spot fine for it. 

[vegas-voss]

7 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Another number is they say that they have bought 17 million antibody tests though they don't work yet to be able to use. 

Are they not buying from China as well cause Spain and somewhere else got them and they were as good as useless

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Just now, vegas-voss said:

Are they not buying from China as well cause Spain and somewhere else got them and they were as good as useless

 

 

Yeh, Spain was the testing kits, Belgium & Holland (I think) had hundreds of thousands of masks etc which were of poor quality and useless.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

12 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

People dying seemingly getting the virus in hospital isn't good.

 

Suppose that sort of thing is already common. 

 

Same with care homes, once things like this get in, it tends to spread rapidly.

[Victorian]

Just now, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

28 days was mentioned.

 

 

There we go.     If they are validated then they are of use in a community research capacity to get an infection landscape (FA doesn't need to ask again).    There's no point trying to target groups with them right now because you would get a significant false negative result if the antibodies aren't sufficient for detection.

[vegas-voss]

3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Yeh, Spain was the testing kits, Belgium & Holland (I think) had hundreds of thousands of masks etc which were of poor quality and useless.

Thanks could not remember exactly what the stuff was.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

 

There we go.     If they are validated then they are of use in a community research capacity to get an infection landscape (FA doesn't need to ask again).    There's no point trying to target groups with them right now because you would get a significant false negative result if the antibodies aren't sufficient for detection.

 

The guy at the presser mentioned that, that they are of no real use right now, they will be later though.

[BlackJAC?]

Johnston must be having a rough time with the virus or using it as an excuse to miss the pressers. Pretty sure Hancock got it after Johnston.

Edited April 2, 2020 by BlackJAC?

[davemclaren]

5 minutes ago, BlackJAC? said:

Johnston must be having a rough time with the virus or using it as an excuse to miss the pressers. Pretty sure Hancock got it after Johnston.

Still symptomatic. 

[vegas-voss]

5 minutes ago, BlackJAC? said:

Johnston must be having a rough time with the virus or using it as an excuse to miss the pressers. Pretty sure Hancock got it after Johnston.

Same day or a day later

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 hours ago, Longshanks said:

 

No worries, I had been getting myself into a bit of a state over it all mentally.  Reading things like that gives the situation a bit of perspective for me anyway. 

Same with me. 

[steve123]

10 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

Still symptomatic. 

He does look rough in twitter videos he ha been posting !!

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, Victorian said:

 

It doesn't take an awful lot of imagination but I'll play your game for now.

 

A landscape of estimated infection rates from around the country.   Split into regions.    To determine percentages of populations who have been infected.

 

 

Thanks. Apologies for my lack of imagination. No game involved in my part.

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

33 minutes ago, steve123 said:

He does look rough in twitter videos he ha been posting !!

 

He does look unwell, I'll give him that.

[Francis Albert]

43 minutes ago, steve123 said:

He does look rough in twitter videos he ha been posting !!

TBF everyone looks rough on Twitter videos

 

[Spellczech]

Watching Matt Hancock on Question Time. Head of RCN is  saying what I said in previous post here, ie that they do not know for sure that people who have had Covid 19 are now immune...Why doesn't Hancock get his ass down to the local Covid 19 ward  PPE-free and find out for all of us?

[milky_26]

global cases now passes 1M

[hughesie27]

1 hour ago, Tazio said:

Just saw a few posts on my Facebook with people posting their photos of where they’ve been for walks. All of them miles from where they live so obviously driving to them. They’ll be the first to moan if they get an on the spot fine for it. 

Hancock just said on QT when asked specifically about this that it was okay to go a short drive to do your exercise. The important thing is that you do not come into close contact with others.

[Victorian]

7 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

Watching Matt Hancock on Question Time. Head of RCN is  saying what I said in previous post here, ie that they do not know for sure that people who have had Covid 19 are now immune...Why doesn't Hancock get his ass down to the local Covid 19 ward  PPE-free and find out for all of us?

 

It's more of a question of how long immunity remains.    Symptomatic cases must produce antibodies because the symptoms indicate a response of the immune system.  They know asymptomatics also produce antibodies as that's been indicated by results to the test.    The unknown is how long immunity remains.     Research can begin into that if they had mass numbers to research.     So they need mass testing.

[Mikey1874]

12 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

Watching Matt Hancock on Question Time. Head of RCN is  saying what I said in previous post here, ie that they do not know for sure that people who have had Covid 19 are now immune...Why doesn't Hancock get his ass down to the local Covid 19 ward  PPE-free and find out for all of us?

 

Nice one 

[Doctor FinnBarr]

Its into my dads care home now, 1 confirmed and 2 suspect.

Worrying to say the least.

[Spellczech]

9 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

It's more of a question of how long immunity remains.    Symptomatic cases must produce antibodies because the symptoms indicate a response of the immune system.  They know asymptomatics also produce antibodies as that's been indicated by results to the test.    The unknown is how long immunity remains.     Research can begin into that if they had mass numbers to research.     So they need mass testing.

Mild symptoms could mean low level infection which means low level of antibodies. Reinfection with a much higher viral load could overpower the existing antibodies, could it not?

[Victorian]

Just now, Spellczech said:

Mild symptoms could mean low level infection which means low level of antibodies. Reinfection with a much higher viral load could overpower the existing antibodies, could it not?

 

To be determined by research.    I suppose such a thing would pretty much amount to the same as a different infection altogether.     I haven't heard of such a thing before though.     Two strains has been theorised as well as the common theory re viral load.     

[vegas-voss]

8 minutes ago, FinnBarr Saunders said:

Its into my dads care home now, 1 confirmed and 2 suspect.

Worrying to say the least.

**** sake man I hope your Dad is ok 

[jambogaza]

32 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

Hancock just said on QT when asked specifically about this that it was okay to go a short drive to do your exercise. The important thing is that you do not come into close contact with others.

 

Daft, ambiguous advice imo. Just be clear and specific. People are open to being told exactly what to do.

 

In Ireland, they can't stray over 2km from home. Very clear.

 

Let's see what portobello beach is like at the weekend.

Edited April 2, 2020 by jambogaza

[Maple Leaf]

22 minutes ago, FinnBarr Saunders said:

Its into my dads care home now, 1 confirmed and 2 suspect.

Worrying to say the least.

 

Best wishes to your dad. 

 

[OBE]

2 hours ago, Tazio said:

Just saw a few posts on my Facebook with people posting their photos of where they’ve been for walks. All of them miles from where they live so obviously driving to them. They’ll be the first to moan if they get an on the spot fine for it. 

 

Same folk&people that stand up in the middle of a plane as soon as it's handbraked, roaches the lot of them.

[Doctor FinnBarr]

43 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

**** sake man I hope your Dad is ok 

 

29 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Best wishes to your dad. 

 

 

Thanks folks, hopefully he'll be ok but something like this could ravage the place.

 

By no means am I blaming his carers but many of them are agency that work in  more than one home so this could hit several more places.

[skinnybob72]

My wife is a carer, she has a permanent job 18 hours a week and is also on the books of agency and can pick up shifts anywhere. 
 

However, while Covid is around she is not picking up shifts anywhere other than her normal place of work for the very reason you mention! 

[kingantti1874]

Nearly 1400 deaths in France alone today 🙁

[hughesie27]

15 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

Nearly 1400 deaths in France alone today 🙁

Must be the biggest in a single day yet anywhere?

 

Or perhaps some unreported ones added on? "Only" 500 or so yesterday.

Edited April 2, 2020 by hughesie27

[robbo1874]

20 minutes ago, skinnybob72 said:

My wife is a carer, she has a permanent job 18 hours a week and is also on the books of agency and can pick up shifts anywhere. 
 

However, while Covid is around she is not picking up shifts anywhere other than her normal place of work for the very reason you mention! 

Same as my wife's care home. All agency had to have been registered and worked there a fortnight ago. 

Her work are incredibly strict, going way over and above the guidelines .

They've gone through totally new working practices.

If that home is the standard throughout the sector it sounds like they're really working hard to minimise it. 

The overseas agency workers they have are usually students of some sort. She really likes them because they're intelligent and polite.  

[Ehllhayapeh]

Just off a conference call with colleagues in Ecuador.

 

The situation there is beyond belief. Theres bodies in the street in some places, people are dying in their homes and not being collected and doctors are not issuing death certificates.

 

Its unimaginable how people are coping with that. 

 

[JimmyCant]

42 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

Nearly 1400 deaths in France alone today 🙁

I think they added on a few they hadn’t counted before. Care home deaths and the like. May be wrong. 

[Doctor FinnBarr]

1 hour ago, skinnybob72 said:

My wife is a carer, she has a permanent job 18 hours a week and is also on the books of agency and can pick up shifts anywhere. 
 

However, while Covid is around she is not picking up shifts anywhere other than her normal place of work for the very reason you mention! 

 

41 minutes ago, robbo1874 said:

Same as my wife's care home. All agency had to have been registered and worked there a fortnight ago. 

Her work are incredibly strict, going way over and above the guidelines .

They've gone through totally new working practices.

If that home is the standard throughout the sector it sounds like they're really working hard to minimise it. 

The overseas agency workers they have are usually students of some sort. She really likes them because they're intelligent and polite.  

 

Maybe its the same in his place. They went into lockdown 2 weeks ago so we haven't been in to see if agency staff are still being used.

[gjcc]

46 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

I think they added on a few they hadn’t counted before. Care home deaths and the like. May be wrong. 

Circa 850 from care homes “over the course of several weeks.” Still brutal though. 😔

[JimmyCant]

Just now, gjcc said:

Circa 850 from care homes “over the course of several weeks.” Still brutal though. 😔

Judging by the spreadsheet posted our rate will hit 1000 a day by the middle of next week if not before. We’ll be very lucky to keep it under 30,000 by the end

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

infection landscape - that’s a belter

 

has anyone said stochastic yet

 

 

[JimmyCant]

In other news, PornHub have offered their apparently very reliable servers to the Italian Social security agency after several outages due to high demand. Apparently PornHub never goes down and has 120million visitors a day !!! good to know.

[graygo]

19 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

In other news, PornHub have offered their apparently very reliable servers to the Italian Social security agency after several outages due to high demand. Apparently PornHub never goes down and has 120million visitors a day !!! good to know.

 

Another brilliant gesture from a company that we should all support when this is over.

[robbo1874]

41 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Another brilliant gesture from a company that we should all support when this is over.

Why wait? 

[graygo]

9 minutes ago, robbo1874 said:

Why wait? 

 

Doing my bit for the Italians by waiting.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

1 hour ago, Zlatanable said:

I have heard 'stochastic' a few times

 

damn