Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[graygo]

1 minute ago, GinRummy said:

Saw that in Scotland but no regional breakdown yet. Glasgow and Strathclyde seemed to be far worse hit than anywhere else recently. 

 

That's because soap and water is the best way to avoid infection.

[The Internet]

So another 563 deaths in the uk. Starting to rise rapidly every day. 

[milky_26]

 

that 562 deaths in the last day

 

that is around 9800 tests carried out in that time

Edited April 1, 2020 by milky_26

[Pasquale for King]

32 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Behave yourself mate, you're just plain wrong on this one.

 

Here's a wee pointer - It wasn't the acts that cancelled it.

Yeah I’m the one that thinks they just start planning the worlds biggest international arts festival four months in advance 😆🙈. 

[Brighton Jambo]

31 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

👍🏽

I can point to posts from yesterday where I was very critical of the government response to testing and logistics and older posts criticising not moving quicker on lock down.  
 

can you point to any posts where you praise the government for their approach on any of this.  

 

go on show me?

 

no thought not, you can’t do balance so your opinion isn’t worth anything.

 

Even the most ardent Tory haters have managed to put their politics asides but you can’t manage it.

 

anyway I’ve made my point.  You won’t listen or agree but that’s okay.  

[graygo]

2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Yeah I’m the one that thinks they just start planning the worlds biggest international arts festival four months in advance 😆🙈. 

 

I did say start, that was an error on my part. What I meant was that they are still in the planning stage. You seem to be saying that the planning is all done - it's not. Otherwise they would cancel it much nearer the start date.

Edited April 1, 2020 by graygo

[Pasquale for King]

20 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

I don’t support the government on this topic on everything, yesterday I was absolutely clear that the testing situation is completely unacceptable and needs sorted.  I said that more than once yesterday and will do so when something isn’t right.  I was also vocal about needing to move to lock down more quickly.  
 

I do support the government when it gets accused of things that are clearly nonsense and based on underlying bias.   For example last week it was claimed it bought Ventilators only from Dyson due to conservative cronyism.  Given the number of orders they have subsequently placed (and were always planning to place as I pointed out as happened to be a bit ITK) from other sources that has been proven to be total nonsense.  

I probably do lean more towards supporting the government than not but am trying hard not to be biased on this topic and will call out when they get it wrong.  

 

Should they not have ordered those ventilators months ago when it was clear they were needed?

[BudgeUp]

6 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

That's because soap and water is the best way to avoid infection.

Nae need

[Pasquale for King]

6 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

I can point to posts from yesterday where I was very critical of the government response to testing and logistics and older posts criticising not moving quicker on lock down.  
 

can you point to any posts where you praise the government for their approach on any of this.  

 

go on show me?

 

no thought not, you can’t do balance so your opinion isn’t worth anything.

 

Even the most ardent Tory haters have managed to put their politics asides but you can’t manage it.

 

anyway I’ve made my point.  You won’t listen or agree but that’s okay.  

You just said you will support the government rather than criticise it unless YOU deem it that they are due it, it’s not up to you. You also praised the government for not stopping all flights into the country in line with WHO guidelines. Will that do for you?

Edited April 1, 2020 by Pasquale for King

[graygo]

Just now, BudgeUp said:

Nae need

 

Every need for a wee bit of humour at this time.

[Pasquale for King]

1 minute ago, graygo said:

 

I did say start, that was an error on my part. What I meant was that they are still in the planning stage. You seem to be saying that the planning is all done - it's not.

What other planning do you think would not be locked down by now? The acts, done. The venues, done. Staff intake, possibly. By the way they don’t control the venues who could still have these acts if there is a relaxation on these types of gatherings. 

[Brighton Jambo]

5 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

You just said you will support the government rather than criticise it unless YOU deem it that they are due it, it’s not up to you. You also praised the government for not stopping all flights into the country in line with WHO guidelines. Will that do for you?

Go on, show me the post where I praised the government for that as opposed to pointing out WHO guidelines?  I don’t have a view on the flight situation neither good or bad as I don’t know enough about why those flights are flying and who is on them.  I tell you one thing I have said previously that there should have been more checks at airports before this became full blown pandemic like in other countries, that seemed crazy to me.

I am still waiting for you to show me a post where you can prove you aren’t determined to criticise the government for absolutely everything no matter what.  Go one, just show me one? 

 

[vegas-voss]

15 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

 

that 562 deaths in the last day

 

that is around 9800 tests carried out in that time

Numbers starting to get to really scary levels now.

[Vansen]

1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Absolutely.

 

To me, it is getting clearer day by day that the Chinese figures are a pile of BS and I think the rest of the World is slowly coming to that same conclusion as well.

There was a news report I saw on you tube ( I know) where they estimated around 40,000 deaths in China, based on the numbers of urns being issued by all the crematoriums. We will never know.

[Brighton Jambo]

11 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Should they not have ordered those ventilators months ago when it was clear they were needed?

Yes they should have been preparing earlier and ordered earlier when they saw what was happening in Italy.  

 

but those orders were not delayed or placed based on supporting Tory party donors as some on here (not sure if you can’t be bothered to look) were claiming. 

[Cade]

That's only hospital deaths, mind.

And with the permission of the families.

 

Not counting care home deaths or any other place of death from covid-19.

Nor counting the number of dead who's families refused to allow them to be counted.

 

There are lies, damn lies and statistics.

[Footballfirst]

3 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

Numbers starting to get to really scary levels now.

Th UK is tracking around 4 or 5 days behind France and 15 or 16 days behind Italy.

[The Mighty Thor]

1 minute ago, vegas-voss said:

Numbers starting to get to really scary levels now.

The numbers are starting to reflect the modelling. We'll pretty much follow trends of what happened with Italy & Spain in terms of daily numbers of infections and deaths.

 

It's already a grim number but it'll get much worse.

 

Again the issue is our lack of testing so our confirmed case numbers look low and detah rate looks horrific.

 

That's the question to be hammered home. When are we going to stop ****ing about and mass test?

[GinRummy]

Just now, Cade said:

That's only hospital deaths, mind.

And with the permission of the families.

 

Not counting care home deaths or any other place of death from covid-19.

Nor counting the number of dead who's families refused to allow them to be counted.

 

There are lies, damn lies and statistics.

Fair points. I wonder how many hospital acquired deaths there are. People already Sick with other illnesses and in hospital are bound to have been exposed to the virus. 

[vegas-voss]

2 minutes ago, Vansen said:

There was a news report I saw on you tube ( I know) where they estimated around 40,000 deaths in China, based on the numbers of urns being issued by all the crematoriums. We will never know.

Horrible to think but you got to think all those families not allowed to leave their houses will have a lot of dead in them.

[Brighton Jambo]

Those jumps are scary.  Given it was at 180 only a few days ago and people were feeling positive it was less than expected.  To jump to 530 in a few days is shocking.  

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Those jumps are scary.  Given it was at 180 only a few days ago and people were feeling positive it was less than expected.  To jump to 530 in a few days is shocking.  

Agree, it’s extremely worrying. Can see a big escalation over the next few weeks, based on what I’ve read. As you say, the hope from the weekend figures is completely gone. 

[vegas-voss]

4 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

The numbers are starting to reflect the modelling. We'll pretty much follow trends of what happened with Italy & Spain in terms of daily numbers of infections and deaths.

 

It's already a grim number but it'll get much worse.

 

Again the issue is our lack of testing so our confirmed case numbers look low and detah rate looks horrific.

 

That's the question to be hammered home. When are we going to stop ****ing about and mass test?

 

5 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Th UK is tracking around 4 or 5 days behind France and 15 or 16 days behind Italy.

4 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

The numbers are starting to reflect the modelling. We'll pretty much follow trends of what happened with Italy & Spain in terms of daily numbers of infections and deaths.

 

It's already a grim number but it'll get much worse.

 

Again the issue is our lack of testing so our confirmed case numbers look low and detah rate looks horrific.

 

That's the question to be hammered home. When are we going to stop ****ing about and mass test?

I know thats why it's getting really scary we will be at those levels soon.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

33 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Saw that in Scotland but no regional breakdown yet. Glasgow and Strathclyde seemed to be far worse hit than anywhere else recently. 

 

Don't know about the other regions, but as of today there has been 8 deaths in the Borders.

https://www.peeblesshirenews.com/news/18350173.eighth-virus-patient-dies-borders/

Edited April 1, 2020 by Jambo-Jimbo

[GinRummy]

Just now, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Don't know about the other regions, but as of today there has been 8 deaths in the Borders.

https://www.peeblesshirenews.com/news/18350173.eighth-virus-patient-dies-borders/

That’s bad. Think there’s only one big hospital down there. Hope they’re coping. 

[Taffin]

What's the benefit of mass testing? Other than making the death percentage look better? You either have it or you don't and you're meant to be social distancing anyway?

 

I get the antibody test as it will show if you had it and have survived it but even then you can't then just go back to daily life.

[Sharpie]

I indeed feel fortunate in a way. My wife and I live generally a life of self isolation. We got out of he socialising thing, content just to do our own thing. I am bothered by what is happening, tragedy every day. Turn on the news or just TV and you get  the local mayor, the Provincial Premier, Prime Minister of Canada and of course Donald Trump. All different parties but basically the same facts. For my age group basically you are screwed if you get it, for everyone else so are you because we never thought this would happen and we have no idea what to do. I have been fortunate in life in the health care respect. NHS came in, and if ever I was sick or got injured help was available, and generally free. Its a wee bit frightening now realising that if you take ill there may be no space where you have to go. I have seen the term induced coma used in some cases, that doesn't sound too bad, I have had some of these in the past, usually booze oriented, and you definitely have no stress issues. My highly religious neighbour advised me that because of my n

beliefs or lack of them, and his superior ones he is going to a paradise  and I am going in the other direction, which is hell, sometimes watching the news I think I am already there.

My sage of an old mother always told me there is no use worrying you won't go past what's meant for you.

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 minute ago, GinRummy said:

That’s bad. Think there’s only one big hospital down there. Hope they’re coping. 

 

Only one main hospital at Melrose.

 

As with everywhere else, things are getting worse all the time, at first they opened two wards for Covid-19, then another and now a fourth ward is being readied as I speak. 

 

My wife's ward has been moved twice now to make way for Covid-19 patients, at present she hasn't been called upon to work on any of the Covid wards, as yet, but it probably is only a matter of time as this thing progresses and more staff fall sick themselves.

 

[hughesie27]

It's at this stage that I now know of around 5 people who have either passed or are in serious ill health. Thankfully nobody in my close circles but horrible hearing from those that are.

Edited April 1, 2020 by hughesie27

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Only one main hospital at Melrose.

 

As with everywhere else, things are getting worse all the time, at first they opened two wards for Covid-19, then another and now a fourth ward is being readied as I speak. 

 

My wife's ward has been moved twice now to make way for Covid-19 patients, at present she hasn't been called upon to work on any of the Covid wards, as yet, but it probably is only a matter of time as this thing progresses and more staff fall sick themselves.

 

Terrible. Hope you’re wife stays safe and well mate. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

2 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Terrible. Hope you’re wife stays safe and well mate. 

 

Thanks. 👍

[GBJambo]

19 minutes ago, Taffin said:

What's the benefit of mass testing? Other than making the death percentage look better? You either have it or you don't and you're meant to be social distancing anyway?

 

I get the antibody test as it will show if you had it and have survived it but even then you can't then just go back to daily life.

Yep not entirely sure the thinking of mass testing as you can be tested and not have it and then catch it the same  day when out getting food in. Then pass it onto family and on and on......

 

Would need to retest and retest. 

[Dagger Is Back]

1 hour ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Sorry to hear that and hope you get something quickly.

 

well done for writing to MP, we need to get all those places sorted or we will be stuck in the house for months longer than needed.  

 

Wish I'd had the balls to stand up and do it face to face but as NHS staff are now finding, we all know what the response would be 

1 hour ago, Robbo-Jambo said:

Suspect you are right about similar situations. 

 

Your boss sounds a right bell end. 😏

He was. I'm a firm believer in what goes around comes around. His shocking treatment of good honest people will bite him in the arse big time one day

[OBE]

31 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Should they not have ordered those ventilators months ago when it was clear they were needed?

 

Maybe if China had divulged the truth (whatever that may have been) early doors, we could've prepared properly for the biggest square go in my lifetime (59)...we were sorely denied a fair fight by those ***ts.

 

When the rest of the world gets back in the ring, China's day of reckoning should follow toot sweet!

[graygo]

46 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

What other planning do you think would not be locked down by now? The acts, done. The venues, done. Staff intake, possibly. By the way they don’t control the venues who could still have these acts if there is a relaxation on these types of gatherings. 

 

 

 

Aye mate, it's all planned. Could probably start it tomorrow if they wanted.

 

You win.

[Brighton Jambo]

Just now, Old Blue Eyes said:

 

Maybe if China had divulged the truth (whatever that may have been) early doors, we could've prepared properly for the biggest square go in my lifetime (59)...we were sorely denied a fair fight by those ***ts.

 

When the rest of the world gets back in the ring, China's day of reckoning should follow toot sweet!

Live through the Coronavirus and die in the nuclear war that follows!! 

[Cade]

Mass testing and route tracing is what you do at the start of an outbreak to try and contain it.

We utterly failed to do that.

So it's a waste of time doing it now.

Testing medical staff and others who are in constant contact with infected people needs to be done, to prevent them from spreading it further but that's pretty much all we can do.

 

Antibody testing will show who's had it and recovered, but even that is of limited use.

[Brighton Jambo]

7 minutes ago, GBJambo said:

Yep not entirely sure the thinking of mass testing as you can be tested and not have it and then catch it the same  day when out getting food in. Then pass it onto family and on and on......

 

Would need to retest and retest. 

What we need is the antibody testing by the million.  Then we know whose had it, then if people haven’t had it and get sick they get tested at that point and start to build a big picture.

 

mass testing for who has it now is a bit of a red herring, we need:

 

1.  Testing for all NHS people ASAP 

2.  Antibody testing for everybody and maybe more than once 

3. A steady increase in our ability to test those in hospital or GP 

Edited April 1, 2020 by Brighton Jambo

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, Brighton Jambo said:

What we need is the antibody testing by the million.  Then we know whose had it, then if people haven’t had it and get sick they get tested at that point and start to build a big picture.

 

mass testing is Bit of a red herring, we need:

 

1.  Testing for all NHS people ASAP 

2.  Antibody testing for everybody and maybe more than once 

3. A steady increase in our ability to test those in hospital or GP 

Surely the WHO,’s advice on mass testing wasn’t simply a red herring. We’ve just been unable to implement it.

[graygo]

44 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

Numbers starting to get to really scary levels now.

 

One every 2.5 minutes near enough.

[Brighton Jambo]

5 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Surely the WHO,’s advice on mass testing wasn’t simply a red herring. We’ve just been unable to implement it.

Red herring in relation to what we can achieve at this stage, we could spend the next 3 months massively ramping up testing to find we then need antibody testing. 

 

we should have tried to be testing more from the beginning 

 

 

Edited April 1, 2020 by Brighton Jambo

[robbo1874]

Surely another benefit of testing is that you can go back to work (if suitable) if tested positive? Then we can maybe keep the economy going, even if just ticking over..

The testing for NHS/Care etc should be getting done by now. 

My Mrs is head chef at a nursing home of 150 residents and by nature of the job can't social distance working in a kitchen. This is helped to ramp up the pressure/tension in her work. All the staff are feeling under pressure and it makes the job all that more difficult.

Of course they're not frontline as yet, but when the first case hits that place I think pressure will go through the roof.

She's absolutely drained today after 4x 11 shifts. 

So if that's in care home,god knows what the frontline nurses and doctors are feeling. 

She also has to deal with the issue that I'm an at risk,not as bad as some but it's there. She's really worried about bringing it home to me

She's not missed a day so far and is dedicated to her residents, she understands that their meal is an important highlight of the day. 

 

[OBE]

32 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Live through the Coronavirus and die in the nuclear war that follows!! 

 

 or under a bus, running to the inadequate Anderson shelter. Some believe it or not are still used as garden sheds down my way.

Edited April 1, 2020 by Old Blue Eyes

[The Internet]

London will be skewing the figures massively though surely? Is there a region breakdown anywhere? 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

3 minutes ago, Old Blue Eyes said:

 

Maybe if China had divulged the truth (whatever that may have been) early doors, we could've prepared properly for the biggest square go in my lifetime (59)...we were sorely denied a fair fight by those ***ts.

 

When the rest of the world gets back in the ring, China's day of reckoning should follow toot sweet!

 

The part in bold is the key part for me.

 

The biggest daily loss of life China reported was 150, a figure which Italy, Spain, USA, France, UK & Belgium would bite your hand off to have right now.

 

WHO advised other countries on how to prepare for this based upon the information China was providing, WHO had no other choice because that's all the data they had, however if that data was less than accurate then everywhere else was going to be poorly prepared for the storm that was coming their way.

 

If the public/governments/WHO had known that the daily death totals were going to be in the 800's + then maybe the advice would have been more dire and maybe everybody's preperations could have been ramped up to match the dire warnings.

 

Just my opinion, but I really don't think the Chinese were telling the truth in terms of what the real number deaths were and this maybe lulled everyone including joe public into some sort of false security, it was only when things really started to go wrong in Italy that people started to take notice of this thing and just how serious things really were, but by then it was already too late.

[Pasquale for King]

31 minutes ago, Old Blue Eyes said:

 

Maybe if China had divulged the truth (whatever that may have been) early doors, we could've prepared properly for the biggest square go in my lifetime (59)...we were sorely denied a fair fight by those ***ts.

 

When the rest of the world gets back in the ring, China's day of reckoning should follow toot sweet!

If the UK or any other government believed that China were giving out the true numbers then they deserve all they get. There are many articles out there detailing how the UK government not only didn’t prepare properly but are still delaying ventilators construction for example to use their herd immunity theory. 

[Pasquale for King]

34 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

 

 

Aye mate, it's all planned. Could probably start it tomorrow if they wanted.

 

You win.

What else  needs done? Ordering stuff or hiring staff isn't  planning, I’ve  organised events and the planning takes place first of all. I would imagine the people who run this don’t need much help in that regard as they will be organised years in advance. 
But let’s get back on topic.

[GinRummy]

29 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Red herring in relation to what we can achieve at this stage, we could spend the next 3 months massively ramping up testing to find we then need antibody testing. 

 

we should have tried to be testing more from the beginning 

 

 

Understand your point now. 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Yes they should have been preparing earlier and ordered earlier when they saw what was happening in Italy.  

 

but those orders were not delayed or placed based on supporting Tory party donors as some on here (not sure if you can’t be bothered to look) were claiming. 

I didn’t claim that, take it up with them. What I would say is they have a history of choosing their friends and family, look at how much Mays husband shares in Lockheed Martin made him. Why do you think they would use Dyson? Surely asking as many companies as possible to make what the could would get the ventilators ready quicker?

[Brighton Jambo]

7 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

If the UK or any other government believed that China were giving out the true numbers then they deserve all they get. There are many articles out there detailing how the UK government not only didn’t prepare properly but are still delaying ventilators construction for example to use their herd immunity theory. 

I’m honestly not trying to pick on your posts but do you really believe that employees at BAE, Rolls Royce, Dyson, Thales, Siemens, Airbus and existing ventilator producers are all being told to or are secretly going slow to support some herd immunity strategy?

 

also the ventilators are for those who already have it so it won’t help more people to get infected it will mean more die so That point doesn’t make sense
 

also if you think about it more ventilators would enable a herd immunity strategy not less- I.e.  we have loads so don’t worry if you get sick you will be fine.  Delaying production means people are more at risk of dying and will be aware of that and so will stay home thus scuppering a herd immunity strategy.  
 

not sure this particular conspiracy theory stands up to scrutiny l.