Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[JudyJudyJudy]

43 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Millions and millions of people have had the vaccine now, James. 

After a year, I think we can say with certainty that it's safe. I don't think it's justifiable for people to hide behind that excuse for not being jabbed.

 

41 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said:

It’s had the same level of testing, just done at a much faster rate due to the huge amount of funding thrown at it.

 

26 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Aye, but, but, your head's going to fall off 10 years down the line 

😂

[JudyJudyJudy]

Dearie me ! Come on you old yins, protest 😂

 

😂https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1519511/covid-news-sajid-javid-over-65s-booster-vaccines-france?fbclid=IwAR3x1CZMRW2Dc-wXLDjlEKX4dlWmb1tyFzpEd0kKMZkGoqogpRS9HjZlOpM

Edited November 12, 2021 by JamesM48

[Malinga the Swinga]

34 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Mine was going to anyway.  I'll be happier knowing that I'm not alone.

At least by then you'll have seen us win 6th league title and champions league for record 5th year in row.

Keeping numbers low as don't want to appear over ambitious.

[Victorian]

14 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

At least by then you'll have seen us win 6th league title and champions league for record 5th year in row.

Keeping numbers low as don't want to appear over ambitious.

 

Agreed.  We have to be realistic.

[Dennis Denuto]

1 hour ago, Taffin said:

 

What are they being protected from?

 

Requiring medical treatment, using NHS resources that are required for all the things the NHS did before COVID.

 

If some people can't be persuaded of the Public Health benefits of getting vaccinated then maybe they need other reasons to do it.

[JudyJudyJudy]

29 minutes ago, jonesy said:

A tragedy.

It really was . Her 79 years old daughter has been left an orphan 

[Dennis Denuto]

16 minutes ago, jonesy said:

There's a hell of a lot of self-inflicted injuries and illnesses out there that the NHS is on hand to help people deal with. Why is CV19 any different?

I am not saying the NHS should not help people deal with Covid and there are lots of things that are restricted for Public Health reasons.

 

The thing is CV19 isn't a self inflicted illness, it is transmitted from person to person, it has an immediate impact on hospitals and healthcare unlike longer developing problems associated with smoking, drinking or obesity for example.  It thankfully has an immediate solution as well and that is to get vaccinated, to get people to stop smoking or abusing alcohol or to lose weight is much more complex - if there were vaccines for them most people would take them too.

[Dennis Denuto]

1 minute ago, jonesy said:

Fair point.

I'd like to point out I don't like lockdown's or restrictions for anyone, well apart from convicted criminals. I'd love the entire population to just take the vaccine and we can all move on and lockdown just become an dinner part conversation about what it was like for you etc.

 

If tougher VPs restrictions is what it takes to get more people vaccinated then unfortunately like other restrictions we all suffered, it might have to be done - and as an about to be triple jagged I am Ok with that.........

[Victorian]

9 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I appreciate that sentiment. I don't like the precedent that this is setting in terms of how to deal with apparent emergencies - authoritarian, blanket rules which are marketed along a 'for the greater good, dontcha know' line. Nor do I like any instance in which the government tells anyone what to put in their body and what impact on their freedom not doing what the government tell us has. Principally, because I don't trust governments to either a) make objective decisions, b) to make effective decisions.

 

All fine and dandy in principle but it all goes to dust in the event of apparent emergencies turning out to be... emergencies and it turning out that government attempts at objective and effective decision making being well founded.

 

Nothing wrong with having principles and reservations,  but they can become redundant or even counter-productive in a scenario where governments or experts get stuff largely right.

 

We'll never really know the answers to such things after this has abated.  It will remain highly contentious imo.

Edited November 12, 2021 by Victorian

[Japan Jambo]

3 hours ago, jonesy said:

I thought we were protecting the NHS?

 

I'm confused. Was it auld Doris next door or was it the bloated, not-fit-for-C21 NHS that we were staying at home, keeping away from our lonely relatives and doing 30 minutes of HIIT with Russell Brand's twin for?

 

Yup, strikes me that regardless of how much money we direct it's way it never seems to climb out the hole. Overdue a shake up but that truly is the third rail of British politics.

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 12 November 2021

Summary

• 3,349 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+9; up from 2,389 a week ago]
• 36,048 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-6,935]
  • 9.8% of these were positive [+1.8%]
• 17 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [-9]
• 55 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-5]
• 759 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-9]
• 4,325,523 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,922,893 have received their second dose [+869; +922]

[redjambo]

Trend stats, part 1:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			...	8 Nov	7 Nov	...	1 Nov
Scotland	4		383	366	+17		...	346	346	...	332
Orkney Islands	4		665	621	+44		...	607	621	...	607
Clackmannanshire	4		641	624	+17		...	573	562	...	628
Dumfries & Galloway	4		547	528	+19		...	457	423	...	326
East Ayrshire	4		534	517	+17		...	534	522	...	394
Angus	4		521	503	+18		...	473	472	...	387
Moray	4		493	439	+54		...	368	365	...	322
Perth & Kinross	4		492	481	+11		...	429	407	...	238
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		475	491	-16		...	608	623	...	396
Falkirk	4		471	437	+34		...	393	402	...	326
Highland	4	211	469	438	+31		...	390	384	...	318
Stirling	4		469	444	+25		...	439	439	...	343
Argyll & Bute	4		452	405	+47		...	398	411	...	386
Fife	4		437	427	+10		...	376	374	...	391
North Lanarkshire	4		425	397	+28		...	379	383	...	392
Inverclyde	4		419	430	-11		...	446	443	...	263
East Dunbartonshire	4		415	378	+37		...	329	349	...	344
South Ayrshire	4		411	385	+26		...	355	341	...	283
Scottish Borders	4		401	404	-3		...	423	430	...	344
West Lothian	4		393	376	+17		...	393	417	...	453
Aberdeen City	4		392	368	+24		...	340	333	...	343
South Lanarkshire	4		388	373	+15		...	356	365	...	348
East Renfrewshire	4		378	361	+17		...	314	285	...	243
North Ayrshire	4		363	346	+17		...	358	343	...	337
East Lothian	4	214	348	324	+24		...	313	323	...	326
West Dunbartonshire	4		346	324	+22		...	320	335	...	316
Aberdeenshire	4		333	317	+16		...	346	360	...	468
Midlothian	4		333	308	+25		...	268	290	...	329
Dundee City	4		316	313	+3		...	303	315	...	364
Renfrewshire	4		314	295	+19		...	278	266	...	262
Edinburgh City	4		262	256	+6		...	230	232	...	264
Glasgow City	4		232	222	+10		...	217	220	...	219
Shetland Islands	4		223	223	0		...	149	136	...	171
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			...	8 Nov	7 Nov	...	1 Nov
Tests			31267	30451	+816		...	30722	30889	...	31307
Cases			2992	2855	+137		...	2698	2706	...	2594
Positivity rate %			9.7	9.4	+0.3		...	8.9	8.9	...	8.9

[redjambo]

And part 2:

 

7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			10 Nov	9 Nov	8 Nov	7 Nov	6 Nov	...	1 Nov
Deaths			15	17	-2		18	18	19	19	19	...	16
All in hospital			782	795	-13		812	835	860	879	895	...	924
Non-ICU			725	737	-12		754	777	801	818	833	...	862
ICU			57	58	-1		58	58	59	61	62	...	62

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

Trend stats, part 1:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO		Today	Yesterday			...	8 Nov	7 Nov	...	1 Nov
Scotland	4		383	366	+17		...	346	346	...	332
Orkney Islands	4		665	621	+44		...	607	621	...	607
Clackmannanshire	4		641	624	+17		...	573	562	...	628
Dumfries & Galloway	4		547	528	+19		...	457	423	...	326
East Ayrshire	4		534	517	+17		...	534	522	...	394
Angus	4		521	503	+18		...	473	472	...	387
Moray	4		493	439	+54		...	368	365	...	322
Perth & Kinross	4		492	481	+11		...	429	407	...	238
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4		475	491	-16		...	608	623	...	396
Falkirk	4		471	437	+34		...	393	402	...	326
Highland	4	211	469	438	+31		...	390	384	...	318
Stirling	4		469	444	+25		...	439	439	...	343
Argyll & Bute	4		452	405	+47		...	398	411	...	386
Fife	4		437	427	+10		...	376	374	...	391
North Lanarkshire	4		425	397	+28		...	379	383	...	392
Inverclyde	4		419	430	-11		...	446	443	...	263
East Dunbartonshire	4		415	378	+37		...	329	349	...	344
South Ayrshire	4		411	385	+26		...	355	341	...	283
Scottish Borders	4		401	404	-3		...	423	430	...	344
West Lothian	4		393	376	+17		...	393	417	...	453
Aberdeen City	4		392	368	+24		...	340	333	...	343
South Lanarkshire	4		388	373	+15		...	356	365	...	348
East Renfrewshire	4		378	361	+17		...	314	285	...	243
North Ayrshire	4		363	346	+17		...	358	343	...	337
East Lothian	4	214	348	324	+24		...	313	323	...	326
West Dunbartonshire	4		346	324	+22		...	320	335	...	316
Aberdeenshire	4		333	317	+16		...	346	360	...	468
Midlothian	4		333	308	+25		...	268	290	...	329
Dundee City	4		316	313	+3		...	303	315	...	364
Renfrewshire	4		314	295	+19		...	278	266	...	262
Edinburgh City	4		262	256	+6		...	230	232	...	264
Glasgow City	4		232	222	+10		...	217	220	...	219
Shetland Islands	4		223	223	0		...	149	136	...	171
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			...	8 Nov	7 Nov	...	1 Nov
Tests			31267	30451	+816		...	30722	30889	...	31307
Cases			2992	2855	+137		...	2698	2706	...	2594
Positivity rate %			9.7	9.4	+0.3		...	8.9	8.9	...	8.9

👍🍺

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 hours ago, jonesy said:

I appreciate that sentiment. I don't like the precedent that this is setting in terms of how to deal with apparent emergencies - authoritarian, blanket rules which are marketed along a 'for the greater good, dontcha know' line. Nor do I like any instance in which the government tells anyone what to put in their body and what impact on their freedom not doing what the government tell us has. Principally, because I don't trust governments to either a) make objective decisions, b) to make effective decisions.

👍 up in the highlands for a weekend break so thankfully for some will only post sporadically ! 👍

[Nucky Thompson]

UB40 have just postponed their UK and Ireland tour until May next year because their promotion company are concerned about rising cases. 

Still using Covid as an excuse 

So instead of the 24th November at the Usher Hall, it's now 25th May 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

the expert view seems to be - get through this winter and things really will be fundamentally better onwards

 

points taken (to a degree) about the unvaccinated but everyone needs to put society before self-interest for another few months - that means as chief mammy once said just because you are allowed to do something doesn’t mean you should

 

another few months of some level of sacrifice that’s all thats required

 

obviously pragmatic decisions regarding those with limited time left need to be taken as hopefully was always the case

 

keep that hypocrisy buried until the spring and we’ll all benefit greatly

 

[Nucky Thompson]

Just now, jonesy said:

Already had one gig postponed from October to March because of this. If we can't open up now everyone who can be has been double-dosed, what's the point?

Most gigs seem to be going ahead. My sister has been to a couple lately 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

4 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Alternatively, just because you should do something doesn't mean you're allowed...  

 

Like fake teacher / odd-job man ?
 

is fairly standard that winter is a challenging time for the nhs - another few months partial sacrifice to finally see this relegated to something which doesn’t dominate most peoples lives surely that’s worth it for all of us

 

If the vaccinations were anywhere near to bullet-proof then crack-on but they’re not and the risk of a resurgence of other respiratory diseases now entering the critical time of year if that’s gong to happen

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 hours ago, jonesy said:

I appreciate that sentiment. I don't like the precedent that this is setting in terms of how to deal with apparent emergencies - authoritarian, blanket rules which are marketed along a 'for the greater good, dontcha know' line. Nor do I like any instance in which the government tells anyone what to put in their body and what impact on their freedom not doing what the government tell us has. Principally, because I don't trust governments to either a) make objective decisions, b) to make effective decisions.

👍 up in the highlands for a weekend break so thankfully for some will only post sporadically ! 👍

[JudyJudyJudy]

25 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

UB40 have just postponed their UK and Ireland tour until May next year because their promotion company are concerned about rising cases. 

Still using Covid as an excuse 

So instead of the 24th November at the Usher Hall, it's now 25th May 

Jezz . Bunch of wimps really . I liked them too . 

[Nucky Thompson]

7 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 Hope it's not 'mask throughout' though. Struggle to get around Sainsburys with one on, let alone a couple of hours in the Usher Hall.

Nah mate, you're exempt  No proof required 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

23 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

the expert view seems to be - get through this winter and things really will be fundamentally better onwards

 

points taken (to a degree) about the unvaccinated but everyone needs to put society before self-interest for another few months - that means as chief mammy once said just because you are allowed to do something doesn’t mean you should

 

another few months of some level of sacrifice that’s all thats required

 

obviously pragmatic decisions regarding those with limited time left need to be taken as hopefully was always the case

 

keep that hypocrisy buried until the spring and we’ll all benefit greatly

 

I’m old enough to remember the “ 3 week circuit breaker “ 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, jonesy said:

If by 'posting sporadically' you mean accidentally posting the same thing you did twenty minutes before, I think the Mods are going to have a helluva job on their hands for the next 48 hours.

I’ve got some free time just now before meal and drinks 🍹 Aviemore is surprisingly busy . We noted not a single mask in the pub we were in earlier . Staff or Joe public. 

[Taffin]

5 hours ago, Alex Kintner said:

Not sure I follow. I’m saying the primary purpose of everyone getting the vaccine is to protect themselves. The secondary purpose is to protect others, including the vulnerable. Even if I personally had doubts about the vaccine I’d still get it to protect my wife, children and parents.

 

I'm saying the majority don't die, won't be hospitalised or have sever illness from Covid. So the majority don't personally need the vaccine. There's not harm in taking it, I did...but on the logic of the current discussion of majority Vs minority the vaccine is a majority action to protect the minority (that minority may or may not be the person receiving the vaccine...that's somewhat schroedingers cat but based on your age you can make a fairly educated guess)

 

 

4 hours ago, Dennis Denuto said:

Requiring medical treatment, using NHS resources that are required for all the things the NHS did before COVID.

 

If some people can't be persuaded of the Public Health benefits of getting vaccinated then maybe they need other reasons to do it.

 

That's a decent argument in favour of it but at current levels of hospitalisation there's really no significant risk to NHS services because thankfully enough people who needed it have taken up the vaccine without significant coercion or Draconian measures and largely those who haven't don't appear to be a significant pressure on the NHS due to presenting with Covid symptoms.

 

If the vaccine was entirely about protecting the individual then we could have dished them out to the over 60s and called it a day imo. Much was made about the low uptake in the younger age groups in England...yet they (we) have the lowest deaths per 100k of population now in the UK (and this week cases).

Edited November 12, 2021 by Taffin

[Ray Gin]

3 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

That's a decent argument in favour of it but at current levels of hospitalisation there's really no significant risk to NHS services because thankfully enough people who needed it have taken up the vaccine without significant coercion or Draconian measures and largely those who haven't don't appear to be a significant pressure on the NHS due to presenting with Covid symptoms.

 

 

 

[Taffin]

4 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

 

 

 

If that's the picture across the board and due to covid then fair enough. I wonder how they got by last winter if they're still under significant pressure now despite increasing their resources over the year and the effects of the wonder vaccine?!?

 

Pressure is also not the same as a service being at risk...as they give you some alternatives within the NHS your GP or minor injury clinic.

 

 

Edit: looks like less than 800 people in hospital with Covid...quite staggering if that's swamped them. Are they all in the Lothians? As they got by when it was c.2k

Edited November 12, 2021 by Taffin

[Nucky Thompson]

4 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

 

That tweet wouldn't be out of place in any Winter over the last 20 years.

If twitter was around 20 years ago 

[Alex Kintner]

25 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I'm saying the majority don't die, won't be hospitalised or have sever illness from Covid. So the majority don't personally need the vaccine. There's not harm in taking it, I did...but on the logic of the current discussion of majority Vs minority the vaccine is a majority action to protect the minority (that minority may or may not be the person receiving the vaccine...that's somewhat schroedingers cat but based on your age you can make a fairly educated guess)

 

 

 

That's a decent argument in favour of it but at current levels of hospitalisation there's really no significant risk to NHS services because thankfully enough people who needed it have taken up the vaccine without significant coercion or Draconian measures and largely those who haven't don't appear to be a significant pressure on the NHS due to presenting with Covid symptoms.

 

If the vaccine was entirely about protecting the individual then we could have dished them out to the over 60s and called it a day imo. Much was made about the low uptake in the younger age groups in England...yet they (we) have the lowest deaths per 100k of population now in the UK (and this week cases).

I’m sure the families of all those u60 who have died disagree.

[Taffin]

1 minute ago, Alex Kintner said:

I’m sure the families of all those u60 who have died disagree.

 

Either:

 

- the vaccine didn't work anyway, hence they died 

 

- or the died before the vaccine...in which case it's a somewhat moot point

 

Anyway, the discussion was about majority actions for minorities. Not about how those minorities families may feel. But I do agree, and think they would indeed disagree.

 

 

[Alex Kintner]

15 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Either:

 

- the vaccine didn't work anyway, hence they died 

 

- or the died before the vaccine...in which case it's a somewhat moot point

 

Anyway, the discussion was about majority actions for minorities. Not about how those minorities families may feel. But I do agree, and think they would indeed disagree.

 

 

So the vaccine’s primary purpose IS to protect someone, regardless of their age then?

[Taffin]

1 minute ago, Alex Kintner said:

So the vaccine’s primary purpose IS to protect someone, regardless of their age then?

 

It's not its primary purpose, it's its sole purpose to protect someone. That someone though isn't necessarily the taker. The majority of people who have had it though, didn't need it. It's helpful though as it reduces their likelihood of spreading it to others not so lucky. Your argument was that its primary purpose is to protect the receiver of the vaccine...for the majority that isn't true imo as they didn't need protected from anything, as they were never at risk of serious illness or death...hence the graph I posted. For them it became entirely about protecting others.

 

 

 

[Alex Kintner]

4 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

It's not its primary purpose, it's its sole purpose to protect someone. That someone though isn't necessarily the taker. The majority of people who have had it though, didn't need it. It's helpful though as it reduces their likelihood of spreading it to others not so lucky. Your argument was that its primary purpose is to protect the receiver of the vaccine...for the majority that isn't true imo as they didn't need protected from anything, as they were never at risk of serious illness or death...hence the graph I posted. For them it became entirely about protecting others.

 

 

 

I genuinely have no idea what you’re trying to argue. When someone gets the vaccine, it protects them first of all whether they’re 26 or 86. 26 year olds died before they could be vaccinated, so did 86 year olds. That’s without even considering those who are younger and have been seriously ill with Covid and suffering from long Covid now.

[Taffin]

2 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said:

I genuinely have no idea what you’re trying to argue. When someone gets the vaccine, it protects them first of all whether they’re 26 or 86. 26 year olds died before they could be vaccinated, so did 86 year olds. That’s without even considering those who are younger and have been seriously ill with Covid and suffering from long Covid now.

 

Okay well enjoy your night 👍

[Unknown user]

10 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

It's not its primary purpose, it's its sole purpose to protect someone. That someone though isn't necessarily the taker. The majority of people who have had it though, didn't need it. It's helpful though as it reduces their likelihood of spreading it to others not so lucky. Your argument was that its primary purpose is to protect the receiver of the vaccine...for the majority that isn't true imo as they didn't need protected from anything, as they were never at risk of serious illness or death...hence the graph I posted. For them it became entirely about protecting others.

 

Only because so many people got vaccinated.

If no one got vaccinated we've no idea who would have been at threat or how it would have evolved left unchecked.

[Taffin]

5 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Only because so many people got vaccinated.

If no one got vaccinated we've no idea who would have been at threat or how it would have evolved left unchecked.

 

Aside from all that time Covid was about before the vaccine was in existence and all the time the lower risk age groups hadn't yet had it.

 

The vaccine didn't save the millions of people who've had it whilst unvaccinated and didn't get seriously ill or die. Their own bodies did.

 

The evolution stuff is an unknown I'll give you that. The other part is re-writing what we actually saw happen...or not happen as the case may be.

 

Anyway Smithee, I'm off out to enjoy an evening with friends so I'll leave you to argue/debate/agree with someone else about how the vaccine is saving the majority rather than the minority.

 

 Enjoy your evening 👍👍

 

 

Edited November 12, 2021 by Taffin

[Unknown user]

5 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Aside from all that time Covid was about before the vaccine was in existence and all the time the lower risk age groups hadn't yet had it.

 

The vaccine didn't save the millions of people who've had it whilst unvaccinated and didn't get seriously ill or die. Their own bodies did.

 

The evolution stuff is an unknown I'll give you that. The other part is re-writing what we actually saw happen...or not happen as the case may be.

 

Anyway Smithee, I'm off out to enjoy an evening with friends so I'll leave you to argue/debate/agree with someone else about how the vaccine is saving the majority rather than the minority.

 

 Enjoy your evening 👍👍

 

I'm not rewriting anything, my post was one point not two but ok cool

[Alex Kintner]

38 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Okay well enjoy your night 👍

You too 👍🏻

[Alex Kintner]

34 minutes ago, jonesy said:

There are websites you can go on if you want someone to do you and your wife at the same time, Jonno. Not my scene, but do let us know how you get on.  

Some on a boat as well 👍🏻

[Footballfirst]

I got my booster and flu jags at Ingliston this evening. I arrived maybe 25 mins early for my appointment due to the concerns about queuing expressed on here previously.  Sure enough, there were maybe 150 people in front of me (30 waiting for registration and 120 or so waiting for their jags.  The organisation was fine (plenty seats available), but there were insufficient vaccinators for the numbers there, so I ended up being done 40 minutes after my scheduled appointment, so 1hr 5mins waiting time in in total. 

 

The person who vaccinated me seemed to think that the queues grew hour by hour during the day, but Friday seemed to be the worst day of the week.

 

Edit: I was surprised to be given a half dose of Moderna, having had two doses of Pfizer previously.

Edited November 12, 2021 by Footballfirst

[Japan Jambo]

2 hours ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

We had a massive pampas plant at our previous house in Linlithgow. It was there for 20 odd years. Only latterly did I find out that 'wife swappers' had a pampas in their garden.....

 

Doesn't say much for the Linlithgow swap scene 🤣 How exactly did you find out, please tell me someone chapped the door?

Edited November 12, 2021 by Japan Jambo

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

Only because so many people got vaccinated.

If no one got vaccinated we've no idea who would have been at threat or how it would have evolved left unchecked.

Wrong . Most people still dying from covid are exactly the same as before the vaccine . Old and clinically vulnerable , mostly over 65 years old 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 hours ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

We had a massive pampas plant at our previous house in Linlithgow. It was there for 20 odd years. Only latterly did I find out that 'wife swappers' had a pampas in their garden.....

 

[Unknown user]

2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Wrong . Most people still dying from covid are exactly the same as before the vaccine . Old and clinically vulnerable , mostly over 65 years old 

 

What do you mean wrong? You do know who would have been at threat and how it would have evolved?

[Victorian]

I predict a coherent argument being pursued in order to justify opening remarks.

 

No idea which thread it will be on.

[Konrad von Carstein]

5 hours ago, jonesy said:

Nice one. Got tix for Idlewild at the end of the month. Been looking forward to seeing them for ages. Hope it's not 'mask throughout' though. Struggle to get around Sainsburys with one on, let alone a couple of hours in the Usher Hall.

[Dagger Is Back]

5 hours ago, jonnothejambo said:

My wife got her letter for next week re booster/flu jab but nothing for me yet. I'm older than she is. Our 6 months is up end of next week.

 

If I don't hear by early next week I'm tempted to go with her and see if they'll do me at the same time.

 

Anyone in the same boat as me ?

Yip Jonno. I’m 60, 3 years older than my wife. She got her second jab 2 days after me on 25/5.

 

She’s not had a letter but going on line she has a scheduled appointment. I don’t have.

 

I’m sure I read that on 15/11 you can go online and book yourself in without waiting for a letter. 
 

That’s Monday so I’m happy to wait although I expect it will be towards the end of the month before I get an appointment 

[Dagger Is Back]

17 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

Cheers Dagger 👍

No worries matey

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8 hours ago, Dagger Is Back said:

Yip Jonno. I’m 60, 3 years older than my wife. She got her second jab 2 days after me on 25/5.

 

She’s not had a letter but going on line she has a scheduled appointment. I don’t have.

 

I’m sure I read that on 15/11 you can go online and book yourself in without waiting for a letter. 
 

That’s Monday so I’m happy to wait although I expect it will be towards the end of the month before I get an appointment 

When did you check? I just logged on, after checking a few times during the week and now have an appointment, which I've now rescheduled. Might be worth checking again.

[Dennis Denuto]

14 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

 

If that's the picture across the board and due to covid then fair enough. I wonder how they got by last winter if they're still under significant pressure now despite increasing their resources over the year and the effects of the wonder vaccine?!?

 

Pressure is also not the same as a service being at risk...as they give you some alternatives within the NHS your GP or minor injury clinic.

 

 

Edit: looks like less than 800 people in hospital with Covid...quite staggering if that's swamped them. Are they all in the Lothians? As they got by when it was c.2k

I suppose much of it depends on your definition of Coped - this thread is full of tales of Covid being the only thing in town and all other ailments not being treated or diagnosed correctly. 

 

I think it is pretty obvious hospitals are going to be very bust over the next few months, cases of Covid and Flu are very likely to go up significantly, THE best way for us to avoid some kind of restrictions on our lives is for everyone to get vaccinated.