Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Kicking off at another lockdown protest today 

What the **** are they greeting about now?

Lockdown is over and the majority of these helmets haven't been following it anyway.

[Footballfirst]

Zahawi saying in parliament that entry to nightclubs, in England, will be dependent on being double jabbed, once all adults have had the opportunity to get double jabbed (by the end of September). A negative test will not be sufficient.

[Francis Albert]

31 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I deleted that app month ago .

We were pinged a few weeks ago and subject to house arrest for 9 days. We found that most of our friends even some who had seemed most rigorous about obeying the rules and advice had either never downloaded it or had deleted it. We quickly got shot of it.

[Taffin]

7 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Zahawi saying in parliament that entry to nightclubs, in England, will be dependent on being double jabbed, once all adults have had the opportunity to get double jabbed (by the end of September). A negative test will not be sufficient.

 

RIP nightclubs

[The Mighty Thor]

Just now, jonesy said:

They're protesting for you, Thor, for all of us. When the Chinese lizard overlords force fit masks onto children at birth and zap those who have impure, non-compliant thoughts, you'll look back and thank them for making this last stand.

I'll be a long time dead by then Jonesy and 'children' will be lab produced as the notion of male/female and reproduction will long have been banned as not fitting the latest LGBTQIA dictat.

 

Those points not withstanding, those arseholes protesting most definitely do not speak for me 👍

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Zahawi saying in parliament that entry to nightclubs, in England, will be dependent on being double jabbed, once all adults have had the opportunity to get double jabbed (by the end of September). A negative test will not be sufficient.

Disgraceful . It won’t work really . That’s a right kick in the balls today . 

9 minutes ago, jonesy said:

They're protesting for you, Thor, for all of us. When the Chinese lizard overlords force fit masks onto children at birth and zap those who have impure, non-compliant thoughts, you'll look back and thank them for making this last stand.

Yeah how dare they protest ! How dare people protest likes it’s never changed any thing in history at all ! 

3 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

We were pinged a few weeks ago and subject to house arrest for 9 days. We found that most of our friends even some who had seemed most rigorous about obeying the rules and advice had either never downloaded it or had deleted it. We quickly got shot of it.

I know they can bolt with that one now

[Footballfirst]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

Disgraceful . It won’t work really . That’s a right kick in the balls today . 

Bojo just repeated it in his press conference.

 

19 July - Freedom Day for nightclubs ..... let's all have fun 

30 September - sorry you can't get in without your 2 x jab pass .... so no fun for you

 

Typical of the mixed messaging from Westminster.

[Gizmo]

6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yeah how dare they protest ! How dare people protest likes it’s never changed any thing in history at all ! 

 

Protesting lockdowns on the day lockdowns ended?

If anyone need any proof these conspiratorial muppets weren't the sharpest tools in the box. Hardly the ****ing suffragettes, is it? 🙄

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, Footballfirst said:

Bojo just repeated it in his press conference.

 

19 July - Freedom Day for nightclubs ..... let's all have fun 

30 September - sorry you can't get in without your 2 x jab pass .... so no fun for you

 

Typical of the mixed messaging from Westminster.

Yes I just saw that . Unbelievable really . This really is a step too far in my opinion.  It’s pure and simple blackmail to get younger people to Take the vaccine . The impact on those businesses will be punishing 

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

Protesting lockdowns on the day lockdowns ended?

If anyone need any proof these conspiratorial muppets weren't the sharpest tools in the box. Hardly the ****ing suffragettes, is it? 🙄

You no singing  “ happy birthday “ to Nicola the day it’s her birthday apparently . I was making a general comment about protests ! Surely you who spouts “ socialist “ ideals should understand that 

Edited July 19, 2021 by JamesM48

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I think it’s a strategy to trying and increase up take amongst younger people. 
 

 

Never ! Carrot and stick or blackmail and coercion ? 

[Footballfirst]

5 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I think it’s a strategy to trying and increase up take amongst younger people. 

I get that, but do you extend that policy to other venues, theatres, concerts and music festivals?

 

Edit: JVT doesn't like the concept of singling out a specific type of venue (like nightclubs).

Edited July 19, 2021 by Footballfirst

[frankblack]

2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

I get that, but do you extend that policy to other venues, theatres, concerts and music festivals

 

And football

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

I get that, but do you extend that policy to other venues, theatres, concerts and music festivals?

 

Edit: JVT doesn't like the concept of singling out a specific type of venue (like nightclubs).

Imagine the actual logistics  of it all ? Football matches with 50,000 having to prove you are vaccinated before getting in ? It’s unworkable 

[Konrad von Carstein]

5 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

You no singing  “ happy birthday “ to Nicola the day it’s her birthday apparently . I was making a general comment about protests ! Surely you who spouts “ socialist “ ideals should understand that 

What did the Enzo Kool-aid taste like James?

 

[Taffin]

Either just go the whole hog and make it mandatory to go anywhere or don't. Stop passing the buck onto the demographic least affected by the virus and disproportionately fecked by the restrictions.

[JudyJudyJudy]

What about over 18s who can’t get jabbed for various reasons ? It’s like they Haven’t really thought this through at all ? Quelle surprise 

[Taffin]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

What about over 18s who can’t get jabbed for various reasons ? It’s like they Haven’t really thought this through at all ? Quelle surprise 

 

Tough shit basically by the sounds of it. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

What did the Enzo Kool-aid taste like James?

 

Tragic really . Come on you should join Gizmo in the happy birthday celebrations 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Taffin said:

Either just go the whole hog and make it mandatory to go anywhere or don't. Stop passing the buck onto the demographic least affected by the virus and disproportionately fecked by the restrictions.

Exactly 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, Taffin said:

 

Tough shit basically by the sounds of it. 

Lol it sounds like ji and tragically plenty on this will not give a Damn . It’s become a very “ mind myself society “ now . As long as they have they “papers “ ( very Weimar Republic ) 

[Konrad von Carstein]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

Tragic really . Come on you should join Gizmo in the happy birthday celebrations 

You calling anyone tragic is hilarious especually after the "socialist"  tosh earlier...

[Footballfirst]

Night Time Industries Assoc:

 

“So, ‘freedom day’ for night clubs lasted around 17 hours. His Health Secretary said only 1 week ago they would not be compulsory. What an absolute shambles”

[communist]

2 minutes ago, jonesy said:

You could hear it in the voxpops from the folk in Leeds on the BBC site. They've done their bit by staying home for almost 18 months. The oldies are protected as best as they'll ever be.

Madness, but not unexpected with the utterly bizarre and contrary regulations which we have lapped up over the last year and a half.

[Lone Striker]

25 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I'll be a long time dead by then Jonesy and 'children' will be lab produced as the notion of male/female and reproduction will long have been banned as not fitting the latest LGBTQIA dictat.

 

Those points not withstanding, those arseholes protesting most definitely do not speak for me 👍

😀   Brilliant comment.       

[Taffin]

8 minutes ago, jonesy said:

You could hear it in the voxpops from the folk in Leeds on the BBC site. They've done their bit by staying home for almost 18 months. The oldies are protected as best as they'll ever be.

 

I'm now double jagged but don't believe it's the way to go. Other than to go abroad I can't see me going places that require people to be double jabbed. Just because I happen to be one doesn't make me think it's okay.

 

Similarly I bought into their be sensible and cautious messaging the other week and posted as such on here as I thought finally the messaging was correct. They can stick their caution where the sun don't shine now. I'm going to enjoy it before they start stripping those freedoms back away.

 

Edit: the above is somewhat reactionary. Enjoying the freedom for me is much the same as it's been for the last few months 😂

Edited July 19, 2021 by Taffin

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

You calling anyone tragic is hilarious especually after the "socialist"  tosh earlier...

 

[Francis Albert]

Between 10000 and 20000 people die of or rather with flu each year and every year hospitals come under strain and sometimes near to breaking point from flu patients. A vaccine has been available for many years but having one has never been enforced for anything. 

[Footballfirst]

Another snippet from the press conference - 60% of those in hospital have been double jabbed. 

 

If you assume that virtually all those in hospital are adults, then that 60% seems very high when you consider that only 68.5% of adults in the UK have been double jabbed.

 

It doesn't sound like the efficacy of vaccines in preventing hospitalisations is as good as it is claimed to be.

Edited July 19, 2021 by Footballfirst

[Francis Albert]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

It’s really not, 

 

To buy a ticket you need to provide certain information. They will make a box you have  where you upload a piece of information that confirms your vaccinated or the system can check a database of vaccinated people. 
 

Not saying the system will be fool proof but technically it is a very easy thing to do. 
 

It’s not that difficult to football tickets and preventing away fans buying. 

At one of the biggest events everp held at Wembley it seemed to be difficult even to stop people without tickets getting in.

[JudyJudyJudy]

Im Just envisaging the state nightclubs will be like if this is the future ! Obese Pot bellied guys , mainly over 40s dancing away to Kylie and Madonna ! Er no thanks . 

[The Mighty Thor]

20 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Wish my children had been lab-produced. Would have saved two bouts of nine-month long mood swings. The missus coped better, thankfully.

 

22 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Wish my children had been lab-produced. Would have saved two bouts of nine-month long mood swings. The missus coped better, thankfully.

Wait til you hit the manopause ☹

[Taffin]

Just now, Lord BJ said:

In fairness the number of people who can’t get vaccinated for medical reasons will be tiny. 

It wouldnt be difficult to identify those special pass and give them a special pass or procedure. 

 

 

It wouldn't, no. I'm not watching, only following the BBC updates and it doesn't appear they qualified it with anything like that though. If being unvaccinated is dangerous though, should other people's safety (rights) be diminished for the rights of someone who can't take it?

 

That's very much a devil's advocate question as I think (hope) you know what my thoughts on that would be (but in case you don't, I'd absolutely support exemption).

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

In fairness the number of people who can’t get vaccinated for medical reasons will be tiny. 

It wouldnt be difficult to identify those special pass and give them a special pass or procedure. 

 

It’s the principle of it all not Whether it’s workable or not . Morally it’s wrong 

[Gizmo]

6 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

You calling anyone tragic is hilarious especually after the "socialist"  tosh earlier...

 

30 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

You no singing  “ happy birthday “ to Nicola the day it’s her birthday apparently . I was making a general comment about protests ! Surely you who spouts “ socialist “ ideals should understand that 

I vote for policies and ideas, not on a cult-of-personality. You explicitly referenced today's idiotic protest - which I responded to. That more significant protests have occurred in history does not remove the utter stupidity and pointlessness of this one, does it.    



 
 

[Brighton Jambo]

1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I've just turned up seven and a half weeks since the first jag and been second dosed no problem. 

Fair enough, my colleague turned up in her seventh week and they turned her away and told her to come back the following day.  Likewise my wife called and was told not to go down until after 8 weeks.  
 

guy in front of me in queue for my second got turned away and was raging.  Each area clearly has it own approach.  

[Brighton Jambo]

9 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Another snippet from the press conference - 60% of those in hospital have been double jabbed. 

 

If you assume that virtually all those in hospital are adults, then that 60% seems very high when you consider that only 68.5% of adults in the UK have been double jabbed.

 

It doesn't sound like the efficacy of vaccines in preventing hospitalisations is as good as it is claimed to be.

Buts that’s because the measure of hospitalisation is those in hospital WITH Covid not FROM Covid.  

[The Mighty Thor]

9 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

In fairness the number of people who can’t get vaccinated for medical reasons will be tiny. 

It wouldnt be difficult to identify those special pass and give them a special pass or procedure. 

 

What about the type of people who have nothing wrong with them who spent a whole lot of energy looking for an exemption to measures such as mask wearing? 

I'll wager there's a whole lot more of them than those who cannot medically take the vaccine. 

[Nucky Thompson]

15 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Another snippet from the press conference - 60% of those in hospital have been double jabbed. 

 

If you assume that virtually all those in hospital are adults, then that 60% seems very high when you consider that only 68.5% of adults in the UK have been double jabbed.

 

It doesn't sound like the efficacy of vaccines in preventing hospitalisations is as good as it is claimed to be.

I thought he said 16%.

Even if it was 60%, that's 2000 people compared to 40,000 who were in hospital in the Winter when infections were at the same levels as today.

Over 90% reduction seems about right

Edited July 19, 2021 by Nucky Thompson

[Francis Albert]

3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Thats why I said it’s not fool proof🤷🏻‍♂️
 

 

It is an easy thing to do but it is not foolproof? Isn't there a bit of a contradiction there? The idea that you can control entry to every or even most clubs in the UK is ridiculous. We know until today's frreedom day down here  it was easy to get into pubs and restaurants (for example) without registering on entry as required by law. Some places didn't care and for those that did giving a false name or telephone number or pointing your phone at a QR and pretending to sign in using the NHS app was enough to get in anywhere. Until today I complied with the rules but it was always a bit of a farce.

[JudyJudyJudy]

7 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

 

I vote for policies and ideas, not on a cult-of-personality. You explicitly referenced today's idiotic protest - which I responded to. That more significant protests have occurred in history does not remove the utter stupidity and pointlessness of this one, does it.    



 
 

I was only responded to another posting about the protest today and made a comment about his protesting has always been an agent for change . Irrespective of what the protests are about .

[scott herbertson]

1 minute ago, Francis Albert said:

It is an easy thing to do but it is not foolproof? Isn't there a bit of a contradiction there? The idea that you can control entry to every or even most clubs in the UK is ridiculous. We know until today's frreedom day down here  it was easy to get into pubs and restaurants (for example) without registering on entry as required by law. Some places didn't care and for those that did giving a false name or telephone number or pointing your phone at a QR and pretending to sign in using the NHS app was enough to get in anywhere. Until today I complied with the rules but it was always a bit of a farce.

 

 

Don't most clubs already require ID in proof of age? Can't see much difference personally

[pablo]

2 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

News from freedom day in London.  Almost everyone still wearing masks in the supermarket but no-one including me challenged for not doing so. Still many (half) fully masked walking down the street. And still some alone in their cars or with their spouse and/or kids. The only  significant change for me is that I could order a drink, receive it and pay for it at the bar rather than sit around waiting for someone to offer to "table serve".  Two pubs in the high street closed because of the NHS App pinging staff.

 

A vertical pint, ordered at the bar. I genuinely cannot wait for this moment! It's the little things.

[Footballfirst]

Just now, Brighton Jambo said:

Buts that’s because the measure of hospitalisation is those in hospital WITH Covid not FROM Covid.  

That wasn't what was being implied.  The most recent ONS survey (week ending July) suggested that 1 in 160 people in England would test positive on any given day.  At less than 1% of the population, that is so far removed from the 60% hospitalisation positives, it strongly suggests that the bulk of those 60% were in hospital as a result of the virus and not just with the virus. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Footballfirst said:

That wasn't what was being implied.  The most recent ONS survey (week ending July) suggested that 1 in 160 people in England would test positive on any given day.  At less than 1% of the population, that is so far removed from the 60% hospitalisation positives, it strongly suggests that the bulk of those 60% were in hospital as a result of the virus and not just with the virus. 

 

[Unknown user]

4 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

It is an easy thing to do but it is not foolproof? Isn't there a bit of a contradiction there? The idea that you can control entry to every or even most clubs in the UK is ridiculous. We know until today's frreedom day down here  it was easy to get into pubs and restaurants (for example) without registering on entry as required by law. Some places didn't care and for those that did giving a false name or telephone number or pointing your phone at a QR and pretending to sign in using the NHS app was enough to get in anywhere. Until today I complied with the rules but it was always a bit of a farce.

 

Isn't controlled entry a legal requirement for all clubs already?

[Footballfirst]

8 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I thought he said 16%.

Even if it was 60%, that's 2000 people compared to 40,000 who were in hospital in the Winter when infections were at the same levels as today.

Over 90% reduction seems about right

It was 60%, but I accept that the headline numbers just now are well down on the January peak.  England is probably a few weeks away from its peak admission rate so we will have to wait and see how high it goes.

[Footballfirst]

4 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

 

So with all this testing, how do you explain such a high test positivity rate as we have experienced in recent weeks.

 

[The Mighty Thor]

10 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Well NHS will decide if your safe to get it on medical grounds, that isn’t a personal choice. There are that many conditions that prohibit you being jabbed up, those conditions will be in records 

 

If you choose not to get it, you will likely face limitations or restrictions as opposed to the double jabbed. Like not getting to go to nightclubs or holiday in Spain 

My point was not criticising those who cannot take the vaccine more the helmets that will whine on about how its unfair that they are having their freedumbs removed because they choose not to get vaccinated. 

I fully expect this to end up in the courts as said helmets don't like it up 'em

[Taffin]

2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

So with all this testing, how do you explain such a high test positivity rate as we have experienced in recent weeks.

 

 

Is it high? What was the positivity rate in those countries when doing a compara6 number of tests?

 

What is considered high, and why?

 

All genuine questions I don't know the answers to. I'd have assumed a virus that for many doesn't translate into any symptoms, as soon as you start looking harder for it you'll find more of it and at a higher positivity rate.