Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[escobri]

7 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

The fish seems to expect kids will be jabbed up as a matter of course at some point. 

This could be the turning point for a lot of her supporters, lots of mums getting the jags but wanting kids left alone.

[Ray Gin]

7 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Ok riddle me this one . So one of my relatives had covid last week . He felt like it was a “ bad cold “ . Anyway he is fine now . I wasn’t worried as he’s  fit as fiddle , does triathlons the lot . So now he has had covid he will now have the anti bodies against it . So why on would she get a vaccine which might cause more physical harm than positives ? Therefore why would he need a passport vaccine ? 

 

Because it is unknown how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from Covid-19. It seems to vary a lot from person to person. Vaccination still offers a strong boost even if you already have anti-bodies from previous infection.

 

[Seymour M Hersh]

1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

SG have stated JVCI have confirmed has considered long COVID as part of decision around under 18. Also stating long COVID is much less likely in young people. 
 

NS is very keen on jabbing up the under 18x 

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 hours ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

You're saying that the reduction in infections following each lockdown was a coincidence?

 

Was it a great white or a hammerhead that you water skiid over?

🦈🦈🦈

 

 

I'm saying that science always assumes that B was caused by A. That's not true.  

Lockdown helped to reduce cases but was certainly not the only reason.

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, Taffin said:

 

Rousing Enzo!! Just what we need.

 

We have a wall of immunity with which we shall fight it on the beaches; we shall fight it in the supermarkets; we shall fight it in the nightclubs; we shall never surrender.

 

No more hiding behind or lounging on our sofas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(This is tongue in cheek)

Great post, Taffin.....until I realised that you were joking. 😂

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

looks like lockdowns often work particularly well during the summer months 🤷‍♂️ 

👍

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

14 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

I don't think there is a significant seasonal element beyond people spending more times indoors in winter.

 

We've seen cases rising in Spring 2020, Autumn 2020, Winter 2020/21 and now Summer 2021.

 

 

so we agree there is a seasonal element we also agree there is a lockdown element and hopefully we would agree that there will be other elements too

 

the weight of each element is now where the debate has moved onto so that’s progress - i think quantifying the weight would be quite a tough ask to any degree of reliability short of copying and pasting different experts views and graphs etc so I can probably give that a miss

 

an obvious point but worth mentioning (imo) - whatever the weight of lockdowns and restrictions it’s not actually what’s in force which is important it’s the adherence to the lockdown/restrictions which matters so there’s another considerable unknown variable to render many B follows because A statements spurious 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

11 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Pythagoras Theorem was just one guy's opinion imo.  There were other ways to explain them sums.  

 

maybe not python thing but it’s not unknown for accepted practices including mathematical equations to subsequently be rejected/amended due to new learnings

[Malinga the Swinga]

19 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Ok riddle me this one . So one of my relatives had covid last week . He felt like it was a “ bad cold “ . Anyway he is fine now . I wasn’t worried as he’s  fit as fiddle , does triathlons the lot . So now he has had covid he will now have the anti bodies against it . So why on would she get a vaccine which might cause more physical harm than positives ? Therefore why would he need a passport vaccine ? 

Is one of side effects of covid random gender changes? 

[JudyJudyJudy]

11 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I was at the dentist this morning. First time in 19 months, thankfully all good and just a quick scale and polish. Anyway the dentist who is in her 60’s and I have known for 20 years told me she’s not vaccinated as she had it so considered in pointless. 
 

Not sure I agree with her but that was her view. 
 

Also annoying as **** not allowed to rinse mouth due to COVID. 
 

Fish saying haven’t made a decision around vaccine passports, very non commital around the issue. 

Cool. Yes I’ve got dentist tomorrow. Did wonder what the protocol might be now , so good to hear your experience . Interesting to hear the dentists view about the vaccine . “The fish “ will wait until she sees what happens in England first ! The “ Peeking from behind the curtains “ approach . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

11 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Because it is unknown how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from Covid-19. It seems to vary a lot from person to person. Vaccination still offers a strong boost even if you already have anti-bodies from previous infection.

 

Thanks for the explanation. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Is one of side effects of covid random gender changes? 

It’s sex not gender ! You can’t change your sex . 

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Complete lockdown got the numbers right down and restrictions kept them there.

 

What was "complete" about any of the lockdowns? Hospitals were open, care home workers traipsed in every day from the community, public transport operated as normal,  many workers didn't work from home and supermarkets were open.  In addition, the feckless class still got bevvied up in each others houses.

Most of the spread came from the settings I have detailed and, indeed, those shielding still had a higher risk than others, due to having to attend hospital appointments etc. 

Undoubtedly,  lockdown helped but the waves go up and down with or without lockdowns, affecting the most vulnerable first before coming up against more resistance from those who were not susceptible through natural immunity, for example.  Cases in India eventually decreased,  thankfully,  without lockdown. 

Claiming that case numbers are somehow switched on and off by the deployment of lockdown is, indeed, one-dimensional thinking.

[Malinga the Swinga]

2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

It’s sex not gender ! You can’t change your sex . 

I'll take your word for that.

[theshed]

5 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

That Nicola Steadman is a awful speaker. She speaks for so long she forgets what’s she talking about. Someone could really do with giving her some guidance on communication.

Glad I’m no the only one that thought that.  As we speak she talking shit and leaning on the podium as if she can’t be bothered being there 

[Taffin]

27 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Ok riddle me this one . So one of my relatives had covid last week . He felt like it was a “ bad cold “ . Anyway he is fine now . I wasn’t worried as he’s  fit as fiddle , does triathlons the lot . So now he has had covid he will now have the anti bodies against it . So why on would she get a vaccine which might cause more physical harm than positives ? Therefore why would he need a passport vaccine ? 

 

Well, that's another issue with it. If people have had Covid then they can get a passport without having had both jabs but what they said yesterday was specifically in relation to vaccination and not naturally immunity so again...tough luck by the sounds of it.

[Taffin]

16 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Great post, Taffin.....until I realised that you were joking. 😂

 

Tongue in cheek, but not without an element of believing it!

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

I'll take your word for that.

 

[jack D and coke]

30 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I was at the dentist this morning. First time in 19 months, thankfully all good and just a quick scale and polish. Anyway the dentist who is in her 60’s and I have known for 20 years told me she’s not vaccinated as she had it so considered in pointless. 
 

Not sure I agree with her but that was her view. 
 

Also annoying as **** not allowed to rinse mouth due to COVID. 
 

Fish saying haven’t made a decision around vaccine passports, very non commital around the issue. 

I’ve been to dentist about 3 times since lockdowns and rinsed mouth each time after treatments. 
Bizarre you weren’t allowed to. 

[Ray Gin]

12 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

What was "complete" about any of the lockdowns? Hospitals were open, care home workers traipsed in every day from the community, public transport operated as normal,  many workers didn't work from home and supermarkets were open.  In addition, the feckless class still got bevvied up in each others houses.

Most of the spread came from the settings I have detailed and, indeed, those shielding still had a higher risk than others, due to having to attend hospital appointments etc. 

Undoubtedly,  lockdown helped but the waves go up and down with or without lockdowns, affecting the most vulnerable first before coming up against more resistance from those who were not susceptible through natural immunity, for example.  Cases in India eventually decreased,  thankfully,  without lockdown. 

Claiming that case numbers are somehow switched on and off by the deployment of lockdown is, indeed, one-dimensional thinking.

 

Much of India went back into lockdown. They just started to ease them again last month.

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

What was "complete" about any of the lockdowns? Hospitals were open, care home workers traipsed in every day from the community, public transport operated as normal,  many workers didn't work from home and supermarkets were open.  In addition, the feckless class still got bevvied up in each others houses.

Most of the spread came from the settings I have detailed and, indeed, those shielding still had a higher risk than others, due to having to attend hospital appointments etc. 

Undoubtedly,  lockdown helped but the waves go up and down with or without lockdowns, affecting the most vulnerable first before coming up against more resistance from those who were not susceptible through natural immunity, for example.  Cases in India eventually decreased,  thankfully,  without lockdown. 

Claiming that case numbers are somehow switched on and off by the deployment of lockdown is, indeed, one-dimensional thinking.

Completely right about the hospital spread Enzo . I mentioned a while back my GP advised me not to go to a hospital appointment “  leave it a few weeks “ due to that very issue . And the only time I’ve been pinged !! ( cue Kenneth Williams) was a week after I had had an operation in hospital in Feb this year !( a “ needy” patient ) opposite me didn’t wear a mask whole time I was on ward 

4 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Well, that's another issue with it. If people have had Covid then they can get a passport without having had both jabs but what they said yesterday was specifically in relation to vaccination and not naturally immunity so again...tough luck by the sounds of it.

Yes he won’t get the vaccine neither will most of my relatives ( my Neices and nephews ) . They certainly won’t be vaxing kids . But since we are in uncertain dangerous times it would be surprise me if kids who aren’t vaccinated aren’t allowed to go to school ! Mark me words ! 

[jack D and coke]

16 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Thanks for the explanation. 

My nieces boyfriend has had it twice. Second time worse he said too after coming back from Wembley a few weeks ago. 
He’s recovered fine tho. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, jack D and coke said:

My nieces boyfriend has had it twice. Second time worse he said too after coming back from Wembley a few weeks ago. 
He’s recovered fine tho. 

Yeah younger people are fine . I wasn’t unduly worried when he had it . 

[jack D and coke]

2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yeah younger people are fine . I wasn’t unduly worried when he had it . 

Sorry mibbe I misquoted you by mistake there…it was more about people who thought cos they had it they won’t bother with the vaccine. He caught it twice within a year.
Thought it was you pal. 

Edited July 20, 2021 by jack D and coke

[jack D and coke]

Just now, Lord BJ said:

That is bizzare, I even asked for rinse. 
 

Maybe it’s money saving tips from my dentist  She was moaning that her yacht in Majorca needing a new engine🤷🏻‍♂️ 
 

 

I was getting a deep clean from the hygienist last time there’s no way I couldn’t have rinsed tbh my mouth was full of blood, there was even blood on my face  But couple of times before it’s just been checkups and scale and polish type appointments. 

[jack D and coke]

1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

It’s my dentist👍

Ah right so it was👍🏼

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 

4 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

I was getting a deep clean from the hygienist last time there’s no way I couldn’t have rinsed tbh my mouth was full of blood, there was even blood on my face  But couple of times before it’s just been checkups and scale and polish type appointments. 

@jonesy   
 

As for the dentist good to know they do the full Monty . ! As a consequence of lockdowns I wonder how many people now have various serious issues related to their mouth such as oral Cancers ? Really concerning actually . 

[Konrad von Carstein]

57 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

I'm saying that science always assumes that B was caused by A. That's not true.  

Lockdown helped to reduce cases but was certainly not the only reason.

I'm not sure that science always assumes  what you say it does above.

 

Lockdown + social distancing measures helped reduce cases and hopefully the vaccine programme will reduce deaths and serious hospitalisations.

[cheetah]

If you have had covid, then your antibodies will only last up to 6 months, you will have dormant  immune cells ready to react to another infection but might be too low to cope, so a second infection could happen may be worse may be trivial. Also any antibodies raised to an infection may be to a different antigen to vaccine induced antibodies, which are mainly raised against spike proteins on the surface.

 

I would suggest if you have had covid to take the vaccine too. 

 

Although if you don't want to I would respect your right not to.

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 20 July 2021

Summary

• 1,604 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+140; down from 2,529 a week ago]
• 19,073 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [+3,413]
  • 9.2% of these were positive [-1.1%]
• 13 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+13]
• 47 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+2]
• 529 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-7]
• 3,984,433 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 2,995,086 have received their second dose [+2,483; +16,340]

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 minutes ago, cheetah said:

If you have had covid, then your antibodies will only last up to 6 months, you will have dormant  immune cells ready to react to another infection but might be too low to cope, so a second infection could happen may be worse may be trivial. Also any antibodies raised to an infection may be to a different antigen to vaccine induced antibodies, which are mainly raised against spike proteins on the surface.

 

I would suggest if you have had covid to take the vaccine too. 

 

Although if you don't want to I would respect your right not to.

👍👍

[redjambo]

Today's trend data. Another nice drop in the 7-day case rate. Rise in the death rate due to the 13 deaths reported today. Positivity rate still on the decline. 1st vaccinations figure very low today but made up by an increase in second vaccinations. The hospital figures appear to be more variable than usual at the moment - I might consider using a 7-day average figure for them too if they continue like that.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO	Today	Yesterday			18 Jul	17 Jul	16 Jul	15 Jul	14 Jul	...	1 May
Scotland		254	271	-17		283	289	287	308	321	...	22
Midlothian	4	409	466	-57		498	512	525	586	624	...	10
Dundee City	4	336	368	-32		413	410	441	495	527	...	13
Edinburgh City	4	320	354	-34		362	370	383	405	428	...	27
East Lothian	4	316	346	-30		365	374	356	408	429	...	5
North Lanarkshire	4	307	331	-24		348	351	337	363	369	...	40
East Renfrewshire	4	293	296	-3		318	318	327	371	395	...	24
Glasgow City	4	291	308	-17		320	327	332	361	376	...	33
Renfrewshire	4	288	321	-33		342	336	341	350	355	...	20
Fife	4	283	295	-12		304	319	312	323	336	...	32
Angus	4	263	310	-47		335	358	372	427	445	...	7
West Lothian	4	262	280	-18		291	294	282	321	335	...	26
Inverclyde	4	253	279	-26		325	347	364	415	443	...	15
Perth & Kinross	4	249	269	-20		288	296	283	294	328	...	22
West Dunbartonshire	4	249	262	-13		273	296	289	320	351	...	28
East Dunbartonshire	4	237	251	-14		245	249	249	264	282	...	51
South Lanarkshire	4	237	248	-11		253	249	237	255	251	...	18
Aberdeen City	4	225	237	-12		255	273	279	296	314	...	13
Falkirk	4	223	244	-21		244	259	247	295	323	...	23
Clackmannanshire	4	221	206	+15		206	182	161	146	167	...	14
Scottish Borders	4	208	209	-1		219	216	207	202	229	...	6
Highland	4	189	194	-5		202	200	197	201	199	...	9
South Ayrshire	4	186	188	-2		191	190	178	194	186	...	25
East Ayrshire	4	179	184	-5		177	172	174	179	199	...	45
Shetland Islands	4	179	192	-13		209	209	201	183	144	...	0
Stirling	4	178	188	-10		195	212	196	219	226	...	11
Dumfries & Galloway	4	177	168	+9		161	163	142	132	111	...	19
Moray	4	168	182	-14		188	180	164	160	148	...	65
Aberdeenshire	4	160	173	-13		182	193	194	200	201	...	8
Argyll & Bute	4	154	143	+11		142	144	134	140	151	...	7
North Ayrshire	3	137	153	-16		162	178	177	194	211	...	17
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	105	67	+38		86	90	34	41	45	...	0
Orkney Islands	2	45	49	-4		58	58	81	85	117	...	0
7-day averages		Today	Yesterday			18 Jul	17 Jul	16 Jul	15 Jul	14 Jul	...	1 May
Tests		25846	26522	-676		27332	27448	27095	28304	28812	...	18484
Cases		1984	2116	-132		2212	2257	2239	2406	2508	...	171
Positivity rate %		8.4	8.8	-0.4		8.9	9.0	9.1	9.3	9.5	...	1.1
Deaths		7.4	6.1	+1.3		6.1	6.1	6.6	6.7	4.6	...	1.3
All Vaccinations		19199	19003	+196		19477	20507	21225	22418	23467	...	45346
1st Dose		6123	6792	-669		6802	7126	7473	7955	8324	...	6677
2nd Dose		13076	12211	+865		12675	13381	13752	14463	15143	...	38669
Daily data
All in hospital		529	536	-7		511	517	532	543	515	...	65
Non-ICU		482	491	-9		465	468	484	496	469	...	54
ICU		47	45	+2		46	49	48	47	46	...	11

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

👍

 

remove the lockdown annotations from the graph and it looks (broadly) seasonal - a graph offered up not by a pro-seasonal poster

 

of course because it looks (broadly) seasonal doesn’t mean it definitely is seasonal nor that it’s  the only significant factor at play but  it’s a fairly poor starting position to be discarding seasonal as a factor of little significance

 

 

Edited July 20, 2021 by MoncurMacdonaldMercer

[escobri]

Will Budge refund my season ticket when unvaccinated aren't allowed in Tynecastle?

[Ray Gin]

1 minute ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

remove the lockdown annotations from the graph and it looks (broadly) seasonal - a graph offered up not by a pro-seasonal poster

 

of course because it looks (broadly) seasonal doesn’t mean it definitely is seasonal nor that it’s  the only significant factor at play but  it’s a fairly poor starting position to be discarding seasonal as a factor of little significance

 

 

 

Yeah so just pretend that lockdowns didn't happen and it looks seasonal, as long as you also ignore that it's going up in summer this year but didn't last year.  

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

12 minutes ago, escobri said:

Will Budge refund my season ticket when unvaccinated aren't allowed in Tynecastle?

Good question ! But might be irrelevant if fans not allowed in ! Well certainly not 20,000 

[escobri]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

Good question ! But might be irrelevant if fans not allowed in ! Well certainly not 20,000 

Crowds over 16000 possibly needing vaccine passports come September,  maybe just England but we won't be much different I imagine 

[Governor Tarkin]

1 hour ago, Lord BJ said:

That is bizzare, I even asked for rinse. 
 

Maybe it’s money saving tips from my dentist  She was moaning that her yacht in Majorca needing a new engine🤷🏻‍♂️ 
 

 

 

My dentist wont do a scale and scale and polish as say's they're banned undr NHS covid rules, but will happily do it privately if I chuck him a wedge of cash. 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, escobri said:

Crowds over 16000 possibly needing vaccine passports come September,  maybe just England but we won't be much different I imagine 

No Sturgeon likes to play “ follow my leader “ so it won’t be much difffebt but perhaps a little tweak , 15,999 fans only allowed 😂all vaccinated . Judging by the nick of some of the supporters I can guarantee there will be plenty who had the vaccine ! 😂straight to the pie stand 

[Enzo Chiefo]

10 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

My dentist wont do a scale and scale and polish as say's they're banned undr NHS covid rules, but will happily do it privately if I chuck him a wedge of cash. 

 

We need more principled dentists like yours imo, Guv.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

25 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Yeah so just pretend that lockdowns didn't happen and it looks seasonal, as long as you also ignore that it's going up in summer this year but didn't last year.  

 

 

 

of course that is nothing like what I said

 

also we’ve been over the apparent (without proper investigation) smaller random bumps and jumps which can easily (not) be explained by spurious reasons like ‘yeah it wasn’t really lockdown then  but the restrictions were working really good at that point’ etc (to the exclusion of the many other conflicting factors all playing a role to a greater or lesser degree) - how do you measure adherence btw - that being the key factor of course

 

you've already conceded a seasonal element (little choice really) so something which looks seasonal (even in the unlikely case of it being purely coincidental) is a good starting point to be glibly discarding the possible significance of a seasonal element - to use your words

 

[Ray Gin]

1 minute ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

of course that is nothing like what I said

 

also we’ve been over the apparent (without proper investigation) smaller random bumps and jumps which can easily (not) be explained by spurious reasons like ‘yeah it wasn’t really lockdown then  but the restrictions were working really good at that point’ etc (to the exclusion of the many other conflicting factors all playing a role to a greater or lesser degree) - how do you measure adherence btw - that being the key factor of course

 

you've already conceded a seasonal element (little choice really) so something which looks seasonal (even in the unlikely case of it being purely coincidental) is a good starting point to be glibly discarding the possible significance of a seasonal element - to use your words

 

 

Would you care to explain the massive surge in cases this summer compared to the massive drop in cases last summer and how this fits in with your seasonal theory?

 

[theshed]

6 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Is scale and polish available on NHS? I’ve always had to pay.

 

I never fully appreciated the money making potential of dentistry until fairly recently, up there with pharmacists in junky areas it appears. 

Ive been nhs patient since school and I’m 50 now 

 

Last scale and polish before lockdown cost me £12 

No sure how it works but even though your an NHS patient you have to pay but its much much cheaper 

 

Well I thinks that’s how it works 🤷‍♀️

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

12 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Would you care to explain the massive surge in cases this summer compared to the massive drop in cases last summer and how this fits in with your seasonal theory?

 

 

do you understand that I’m not saying cases are directly or exclusively driven by the seasonal element? Do you remember me saying that lockdowns have played a part? (Amongst other things)

 

due to the complexity of this and my sentences above it would be a bit ambitious to believe I could nail down the reasons for the finer details in the graph or many of the graphs out there -details that highly-qualified scientists don’t often agree on

 

have you’ve explained how you’re  measuring adherence to lockdown btw and also you seen any graphs with lockdown anomalies or they all fit nice and exact? or do they sometimes need some spurious commentary to make it all fit ?

 

thats the issue with one-dimensional thinking B occurs and the one-dimensional thinker attributes it to A to the relative exclusion of other potential factors which either individually or more likely combined can’t easily be ruled-out

[The Real Maroonblood]

59 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Today's trend data. Another nice drop in the 7-day case rate. Rise in the death rate due to the 13 deaths reported today. Positivity rate still on the decline. 1st vaccinations figure very low today but made up by an increase in second vaccinations. The hospital figures appear to be more variable than usual at the moment - I might consider using a 7-day average figure for them too if they continue like that.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO	Today	Yesterday			18 Jul	17 Jul	16 Jul	15 Jul	14 Jul	...	1 May
Scotland		254	271	-17		283	289	287	308	321	...	22
Midlothian	4	409	466	-57		498	512	525	586	624	...	10
Dundee City	4	336	368	-32		413	410	441	495	527	...	13
Edinburgh City	4	320	354	-34		362	370	383	405	428	...	27
East Lothian	4	316	346	-30		365	374	356	408	429	...	5
North Lanarkshire	4	307	331	-24		348	351	337	363	369	...	40
East Renfrewshire	4	293	296	-3		318	318	327	371	395	...	24
Glasgow City	4	291	308	-17		320	327	332	361	376	...	33
Renfrewshire	4	288	321	-33		342	336	341	350	355	...	20
Fife	4	283	295	-12		304	319	312	323	336	...	32
Angus	4	263	310	-47		335	358	372	427	445	...	7
West Lothian	4	262	280	-18		291	294	282	321	335	...	26
Inverclyde	4	253	279	-26		325	347	364	415	443	...	15
Perth & Kinross	4	249	269	-20		288	296	283	294	328	...	22
West Dunbartonshire	4	249	262	-13		273	296	289	320	351	...	28
East Dunbartonshire	4	237	251	-14		245	249	249	264	282	...	51
South Lanarkshire	4	237	248	-11		253	249	237	255	251	...	18
Aberdeen City	4	225	237	-12		255	273	279	296	314	...	13
Falkirk	4	223	244	-21		244	259	247	295	323	...	23
Clackmannanshire	4	221	206	+15		206	182	161	146	167	...	14
Scottish Borders	4	208	209	-1		219	216	207	202	229	...	6
Highland	4	189	194	-5		202	200	197	201	199	...	9
South Ayrshire	4	186	188	-2		191	190	178	194	186	...	25
East Ayrshire	4	179	184	-5		177	172	174	179	199	...	45
Shetland Islands	4	179	192	-13		209	209	201	183	144	...	0
Stirling	4	178	188	-10		195	212	196	219	226	...	11
Dumfries & Galloway	4	177	168	+9		161	163	142	132	111	...	19
Moray	4	168	182	-14		188	180	164	160	148	...	65
Aberdeenshire	4	160	173	-13		182	193	194	200	201	...	8
Argyll & Bute	4	154	143	+11		142	144	134	140	151	...	7
North Ayrshire	3	137	153	-16		162	178	177	194	211	...	17
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	105	67	+38		86	90	34	41	45	...	0
Orkney Islands	2	45	49	-4		58	58	81	85	117	...	0
7-day averages		Today	Yesterday			18 Jul	17 Jul	16 Jul	15 Jul	14 Jul	...	1 May
Tests		25846	26522	-676		27332	27448	27095	28304	28812	...	18484
Cases		1984	2116	-132		2212	2257	2239	2406	2508	...	171
Positivity rate %		8.4	8.8	-0.4		8.9	9.0	9.1	9.3	9.5	...	1.1
Deaths		7.4	6.1	+1.3		6.1	6.1	6.6	6.7	4.6	...	1.3
All Vaccinations		19199	19003	+196		19477	20507	21225	22418	23467	...	45346
1st Dose		6123	6792	-669		6802	7126	7473	7955	8324	...	6677
2nd Dose		13076	12211	+865		12675	13381	13752	14463	15143	...	38669
Daily data
All in hospital		529	536	-7		511	517	532	543	515	...	65
Non-ICU		482	491	-9		465	468	484	496	469	...	54
ICU		47	45	+2		46	49	48	47	46	...	11

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[Pasquale for King]

57 minutes ago, escobri said:

Will Budge refund my season ticket when unvaccinated aren't allowed in Tynecastle?

Doubt it, you can stream the games instead and be closer to alcohol than the rest of us 😜. 

[Ray Gin]

8 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

do you understand that I’m not saying cases are directly or exclusively driven by the seasonal element? Do you remember me saying that lockdowns have played a part? (Amongst other things)

 

due to the complexity of this and my sentences above it would be a bit ambitious to believe I could nail down the reasons for the finer details in the graph or many of the graphs out there -details that highly-qualified scientists don’t often agree on

 

have you’ve explained how you’re  measuring adherence to lockdown btw and also you seen any graphs with lockdown anomalies or they all fit nice and exact? or do they sometimes need some spurious commentary to make it all fit ?

 

thats the issue with one-dimensional thinking B occurs and the one-dimensional thinker attributes it to A to the relative exclusion of other potential factors which either individually or more likely combined can’t easily be ruled-out

 

How would I measure adherence to lockdown? How would anyone? 

 

What anomolies are you talking about? 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Says it all really . Blistering stuff. 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

4 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

How would I measure adherence to lockdown? How would anyone? 

 

What anomolies are you talking about? 

 

yeah how would you measure adherence to lockdown - there’s an unknown right at the heart of your key factor

 

the anomalies which you tend to try to explain away with spurious commentary like ‘yeah we weren’t in lockdown then but restrictions were doing the same job’  (despite being unable to measure adherence to either)

 

 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

yeah how would you measure adherence to lockdown - there’s an unknown right at the heart of your key factor

 

the anomalies which you tend to try to explain away with spurious commentary like ‘yeah we weren’t in lockdown then but restrictions were doing the same job’  (despite being unable to measure adherence to either)

 

 

 

 

Don’t lockdowns just delay injections ?