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Tommy Brown
20 minutes ago, Cade said:

Again, keeping track of day to day death tolls is really meaningless.

As previously stated, we have no idea of the age, viral load or underlying health issues of those that died each day.

 

We also don't know how many patients are in critical condition and expected to die tomorrow.

 

You can't read anything into day by day statistics.

Statistics only matter when looked at as a long term pattern.

Even then how many people died of Covid-19 but went undiagnosed and therefor not included in the figures?

Critical/ serious are known.

Still rising in Italy sadly

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1 minute ago, Brighton Jambo said:

The same people saying we shouldn’t look at stats and they mean nothing are the same people saying we should be doing more as otherwise we will be as bad or worse than Italy.  
 

how do we know where we are other than use the numbers to compare to where other countries were at the same stage? 

 

Indeed, if we didn't look at or keep up to date with the current stats then how would we know if the measures being put into place were working or not, we also need to see what other countries are doing to see if what they are doing is working or not as well and follow that model if needed.

 

Right now I don't give a flying feck what the stats are going to be when this is over, because I, no we, are living through this in the here and now, and getting through today and staying healthy is all that matters right now.

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Nurses on 0 HR contracts. Tell me this isn't true. 

 

 

RAH in Paisley is full of Coronavirus patients.

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1 hour ago, sadj said:

This....Horrific , been some positive info floating about today on lower projected numbers n little things like vitamin c helping , but so vastly outweighed by this sad type of info.

 

Did ya get my reply mate? 

Certainly did, and was going to reply at some point this evening.

 

Many thanks, will PM you tomorrow.  

 

Looks good.though.

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22 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Fair enough. Just don't get why folk are obsessing over stats. Keep in as much as you can and when out, keep your distance. You don't need to worry what other countries do, just what you do. The goverment pay experts to look at stats, run computer modelling and they will then advise us of next steps. 


I do worry what other countries do, as I have relatives in 7 countries, including some of the worst hit in Europe. Also in Asia and the USA.

I do follow the stats every day. I don’t need computer models to tell me what the general trends are. 

Basically just looking for hope.

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How come UK have much lower numbers in comparison to Italy/Spain? 

 

Both of them are getting much higher numbers daily than we have in total. Just curious if there is any theory's as to why. Considering the lack of hurry and lack of giving a shit by UK citizens I am struggling to understand why it would spread like wild fire in some places but not others. 

 

Germany is the same. 

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Just now, ri Alban said:

Nurses on 0 HR contracts. Tell me this isn't true. 

 

 

RAH in Paisley is full of Coronavirus patients.

 

Bank nurses maybe, they put their names down for shifts with no guarantee that they'll get any.

They could do 3 shifts one week and nothing for the next two weeks.

 

At least that's the way it used to work, when the wife was on the bank nurse roll.

 

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2 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

How come UK have much lower numbers in comparison to Italy/Spain? 

 

Both of them are getting much higher numbers daily than we have in total. Just curious if there is any theory's as to why. Considering the lack of hurry and lack of giving a shit by UK citizens I am struggling to understand why it would spread like wild fire in some places but not others. 

 

Germany is the same. 

 

Because we are about 10 days to 2 weeks behind Italy & Spain.

 

So they say.

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44 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Seems really weird that people look forward with such anticipation to numbers of dead people being announced. Even weirder that excitement grows because numbers are released a wee while later than the day before.

 

Just picture you guys calling the family down so you can all sit round the tv together shouting ' Hurry kids, the death number from Spain is coming on'. 

No ‘anticipation’ or ‘excitement’ here, sorry.

 

Just very, very interested in the progress (and hopeful decline) of this horrible virus.

 

Your last wee comment is most distasteful.

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25 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

The same people saying we shouldn’t look at stats and they mean nothing are the same people saying we should be doing more as otherwise we will be as bad or worse than Italy.  
 

how do we know where we are other than use the numbers to compare to where other countries were at the same stage? 

Not saying that at all. Scientists and experts can look at stats and make decisions. We, the general public, don't have to compare anything. 

 

As for first point , I am reasonably happy with decisions government making. Think they have almost impossible task. Tory haters will most likely still hate them, but think all parties doing as well as they can

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6 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

How come UK have much lower numbers in comparison to Italy/Spain? 

 

Both of them are getting much higher numbers daily than we have in total. Just curious if there is any theory's as to why. Considering the lack of hurry and lack of giving a shit by UK citizens I am struggling to understand why it would spread like wild fire in some places but not others. 

 

Germany is the same. 

The UK, according to the experts, will be ‘Italy’  in under a fortnight.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

How come UK have much lower numbers in comparison to Italy/Spain? 

 

Both of them are getting much higher numbers daily than we have in total. Just curious if there is any theory's as to why. Considering the lack of hurry and lack of giving a shit by UK citizens I am struggling to understand why it would spread like wild fire in some places but not others. 

 

Germany is the same. 

 

Tbh I don't think that's true for the vast majority. The response has been pretty good but as usual social media makes it look bad because of a very small minority. 

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The cynic in me thinks today’s numbers have been manipulated to justify the governments wishy washy approach to ‘lockdown’.

 

We’ll see what the coming days bring with regards numbers and any further government restrictions.

 

(Obviously hope my cynical side is way wide of the mark)

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If today's figures are accurate and not an outlier, then it looks encouraging for the UK that it won't hit the peaks that Italy has experienced.

 

When the death figures were matched at 233, the UK was 14 days behind Italy.  It took two days for Italy to reach 463 deaths, while the UK took four days to hit 465.  

 

It that continues, then the UK will have flattened the curve below that of Italy.

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9 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

Hello, good to see you FF.

I was wondering if you have a link to that information you could share.  

 

I've created my own spreadsheet of the daily totals for UK, Italy and Scotland, but the figures have been taken from the graphs at:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

UK

New cases / total cases / new deaths / total deaths

05-Mar 29 114 1 1
06-Mar 46 160 1 2
07-Mar 46 206 0 2
08-Mar 65 271 1 3
09-Mar 50 321 2 5
10-Mar 52 373 1 6
11-Mar 83 456 2 8
12-Mar 139 590 2 10
13-Mar 207 797 1 11
14-Mar 264 1061 10 21
15-Mar 330 1391 14 35
16-Mar 152 1543 20 55
17-Mar 407 1950 16 71
18-Mar 676 2626 33 104
19-Mar 643 3269 40 144
20-Mar 714 3983 33 177
21-Mar 1035 5018 56 233
22-Mar 665 5683 48 281
23-Mar 967 6650 54 335
24-Mar 1427 8077 87 422
25-Mar 1452 9529 43

465

 

Italy 

 

01-Mar 573 1701 12 49
02-Mar 335 2036 11 52
03-Mar 466 2502 27 79
04-Mar 587 3089 28 107
05-Mar 769 3858 41 148
06-Mar 778 4636 49 197
07-Mar 1247 5883 36 233
08-Mar 1492 7375 133 366
09-Mar 1797 9172 97 463
10-Mar 977 10149 168 631
11-Mar 2313 12462 196 827
12-Mar 2651 15113 189 1016
13-Mar 2547 17660 250 1266
14-Mar 3497 21157 175 1441
15-Mar 3590 24747 368 1809
16-Mar 3233 27980 349 2158
17-Mar 3526 31506 345 2503
18-Mar 4207 35713 475 2975
19-Mar 5322 41035 427 3405
20-Mar 5986 47021 627 4032
21-Mar 6557 53578 793 4825
22-Mar 5560 59138 651 5476
23-Mar 4789 63927 601 6077
24-Mar 5249 69176 743 6820
25-Mar 5210 74386 683 7503

 

Italy locked down N Italy on 9 March and the whole country on 13 March

The UK lock down commenced on 20 March.

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Could the numbers from Italy be viewed as a positive? 
 

Although the numbers are high, the past 3 days, they seemed to have “bottomed” out. 


As long as they hold steady at or around 750 deaths per day it would suggest that there is a degree if control in the numbers.

 

Or maybe I’m just being overly positive.

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32 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

How come UK have much lower numbers in comparison to Italy/Spain? 

 

Both of them are getting much higher numbers daily than we have in total. Just curious if there is any theory's as to why. Considering the lack of hurry and lack of giving a shit by UK citizens I am struggling to understand why it would spread like wild fire in some places but not others. 

 

Germany is the same. 

We are behind them, Germany was prepared and test a lot more than the UK has.

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8 minutes ago, jambo89 said:

Could the numbers from Italy be viewed as a positive? 
 

Although the numbers are high, the past 3 days, they seemed to have “bottomed” out. 


As long as they hold steady at or around 750 deaths per day it would suggest that there is a degree if control in the numbers.

 

Or maybe I’m just being overly positive.

The new cases for the last 4 days are below that of the peak number. It could be that they aren't doing as much testing meaning they get fewer positives, however the numbers do appear to be flattening, rather than "bottoming".  If they have reached a peak, then it is reasonable to infer that the lock down has been effective, but the the down side of the curve will take a similar time, e.g. 4 more weeks before they get down to "manageable" numbers (double/single figures?) and restrictions can start to be eased.

 

The UK however, is still on the upward part of the curve, so I'd guess that it will be another six weeks or so before we should be looking at easing some restrictions.

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3 minutes ago, Morgan said:

Just little old confused me.


What on Earth are you talking about?

 

This really isn’t the thread for whatever your game is.

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23 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

Trump briefing on now. 

 

Beautiful job blah blah

More tests than South Korea who, btw, have done a beautiful job blah blah

Strongest military, building rockets, lots of rockets blah blah

Could be, we'll have to see what happens blah blah

Fake news, like yourself  (then points) and her over there blah blah

 

Finally gotten over himself and grasped the fact it's more than just about him. :laugh2:

 

 

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2 minutes ago, J.T.F.Robertson said:

 

Beautiful job blah blah

More tests than South Korea who, btw, have done a beautiful job blah blah

Strongest military, building rockets, lots of rockets blah blah

Could be, we'll have to see what happens blah blah

Fake news, like yourself  (then points) and her over there blah blah

 

Finally gotten over himself and grasped the fact it's more than just about him. :laugh2:

 

 

Over by easter sunday......fukkin dick of a president.

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7 minutes ago, J.T.F.Robertson said:

 

Beautiful job blah blah

More tests than South Korea who, btw, have done a beautiful job blah blah

Strongest military, building rockets, lots of rockets blah blah

Could be, we'll have to see what happens blah blah

Fake news, like yourself  (then points) and her over there blah blah

 

Finally gotten over himself and grasped the fact it's more than just about him. :laugh2:

 

 


He’s even more all over the place than usual. He’s an idiot and it’ll always be about him. He gives me the rage

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2 minutes ago, robbo1874 said:

Looks like positive news. 🤞

 

Indeed.

 

I don't know if anyone has posted it on here but a Welsh doctor has also designed an emergency ventilator which could save thousands of lives.

 

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/welsh-doctor-uses-military-experience-17970315

 

“After designing, constructing and trialling several prototypes in just three days, we came up with a device that worked perfectly. It is simple and robust and specifically designed to work against Covid virus in a contagious environment.

 

“Although it won’t replace an ICU ventilator, the majority of patients won’t need intensive care if they are treated with this ventilator first, releasing ICU ventilators for more serious Covid-19 cases and other general medical cases.

 

“The machine has other benefits in that it will clean the room of viral particles and only supply purified air to the patient. The patient can self-care as specialist nurses are not required, releasing them for other duties.”

 

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5 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Indeed.

 

I don't know if anyone has posted it on here but a Welsh doctor has also designed an emergency ventilator which could save thousands of lives.

 

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/welsh-doctor-uses-military-experience-17970315

 

“After designing, constructing and trialling several prototypes in just three days, we came up with a device that worked perfectly. It is simple and robust and specifically designed to work against Covid virus in a contagious environment.

 

“Although it won’t replace an ICU ventilator, the majority of patients won’t need intensive care if they are treated with this ventilator first, releasing ICU ventilators for more serious Covid-19 cases and other general medical cases.

 

“The machine has other benefits in that it will clean the room of viral particles and only supply purified air to the patient. The patient can self-care as specialist nurses are not required, releasing them for other duties.”

 

Having read a bit further there seems to be a bit of disquiet that he's a Tory donor .

I'm not that bothered as long as it's the best possible deal for us financially and in terms of speed of manufacture

They're getting made in Wiltshire

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1 hour ago, Morgan said:

Certainly did, and was going to reply at some point this evening.

 

Many thanks, will PM you tomorrow.  

 

Looks good.though.

👍🏻 Enjoy 😉

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3 minutes ago, robbo1874 said:

Having read a bit further there seems to be a bit of disquiet that he's a Tory donor .

I'm not that bothered as long as it's the best possible deal for us financially and in terms of speed of manufacture

They're getting made in Wiltshire

 

:D Really. As someone who despises the Tories, I couldn't give a flying feck, personally.

 

I bet those who are generating the disquiet wouldn't be so sure of themselves if it was their relative being saved by the ventilator.

 

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15 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

:D Really. As someone who despises the Tories, I couldn't give a flying feck, personally.

 

I bet those who are generating the disquiet wouldn't be so sure of themselves if it was their relative being saved by the ventilator.

 

👍

As long as all above board I don't care either. 

 

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19 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

:D Really. As someone who despises the Tories, I couldn't give a flying feck, personally.

 

I bet those who are generating the disquiet wouldn't be so sure of themselves if it was their relative being saved by the ventilator.

 

Despise is too generous but otherwise 👌🏻

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4 hours ago, CJGJ said:

Are we allowed to discuss those people abroad who now want to come home and are blaming everybody but themselves for their predicament ?

 

If any of them travelled outwards this month them I am finding it hard to show much sympathy.

 

They took a chance and it has backfired on them.

 

Of course there will be many on their 'round the world trips' or holidays who left earlier but even then many knew what was coming and ignored it refusing to come home when they could have done with far fewer problems.

There will be genuine reasons of course but many are just now pleading to get home without any acceptance of responsibility

 

Of course the other side of it is the profiteering shown by airlines many of whom will want a bail out using our money.  They are a disgrace and should be labeled as such

I was on holiday in Fuerteventura .

We flew out on the 10th March , I booked before the virus started and followed all the advice given by travel experts. Right up to my departure all the advice was to 'go and enjoy your holiday'

more or less scoffing at people for being apprehensive. 

I was a bit wary but no one in the travel industry seemed worried so why should I be.

Now I don't give a **** if you have sympathy for the thousands like myself who had to find alternative flights at exorbitant prices but I will tell you this it was one if the most stressful experiences of my life.

If we hadn't had enough money on our card we would have been stranded along with hundreds of others on an island where you had been chucked out of your hotel on government orders, were not meant to be on the streets, and unless you were able to pay a small fortune for a flight you faced being arrested by the Spanish police.

So please engage your brain before you start pontificating.

 

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1 hour ago, redjambo said:

 

Indeed.

 

I don't know if anyone has posted it on here but a Welsh doctor has also designed an emergency ventilator which could save thousands of lives.

 

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/welsh-doctor-uses-military-experience-17970315

 

“After designing, constructing and trialling several prototypes in just three days, we came up with a device that worked perfectly. It is simple and robust and specifically designed to work against Covid virus in a contagious environment.

 

“Although it won’t replace an ICU ventilator, the majority of patients won’t need intensive care if they are treated with this ventilator first, releasing ICU ventilators for more serious Covid-19 cases and other general medical cases.

 

“The machine has other benefits in that it will clean the room of viral particles and only supply purified air to the patient. The patient can self-care as specialist nurses are not required, releasing them for other duties.”

 

Thanks for posting the link.  Sounds good, hopefully manufacturing can be undertaken by other companies, if needs be.

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58 minutes ago, luckydug said:

I was on holiday in Fuerteventura .

We flew out on the 10th March , I booked before the virus started and followed all the advice given by travel experts. Right up to my departure all the advice was to 'go and enjoy your holiday'

more or less scoffing at people for being apprehensive. 

I was a bit wary but no one in the travel industry seemed worried so why should I be.

Now I don't give a **** if you have sympathy for the thousands like myself who had to find alternative flights at exorbitant prices but I will tell you this it was one if the most stressful experiences of my life.

If we hadn't had enough money on our card we would have been stranded along with hundreds of others on an island where you had been chucked out of your hotel on government orders, were not meant to be on the streets, and unless you were able to pay a small fortune for a flight you faced being arrested by the Spanish police.

So please engage your brain before you start pontificating.

 

 

Simon Calder (travel journalist and broadcaster for the BBC),less than two weeks ago,was advising everybody to go cruises,trips to  america,spain  etc if they were already booked.Just go and enjoy yourself.On  national radio this welt was saying it was nothing to worry about.

Same turd ,still on radio/tv  just now,no apologies for tthe dreadful advise given,just greeting about  how the travel industry will never recover from this virus outbreak.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Jambof3tornado said:

Over by easter sunday......fukkin dick of a president.

Seldom said a more truer word...

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15 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

anyone who doesn’t know what the exit strategy is clearly knows nothing about the stage management of new pandemics

 

Like anyone who isn't an expert on global pandemic procedures you mean? Which at a guess I would think most people on this forum and most politicians bumbling around wondering what to do in the moment far less the future.

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18 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

anyone who doesn’t know what the exit strategy is clearly knows nothing about the stage management of new pandemics

The nerve 

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5 hours ago, Tott said:

 

Simon Calder (travel journalist and broadcaster for the BBC),less than two weeks ago,was advising everybody to go cruises,trips to  america,spain  etc if they were already booked.Just go and enjoy yourself.On  national radio this welt was saying it was nothing to worry about.

Same turd ,still on radio/tv  just now,no apologies for tthe dreadful advise given,just greeting about  how the travel industry will never recover from this virus outbreak.

 

 

I hope every single one of these gigantic floating petri dishes gets scuttled. By turning them into man-made reefs we'll be giving the natural world something back, instead of take, take, take.

I await the inevitable blast furnace flames heading in my direction...... 

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5 hours ago, Tott said:

 

Simon Calder (travel journalist and broadcaster for the BBC),less than two weeks ago,was advising everybody to go cruises,trips to  america,spain  etc if they were already booked.Just go and enjoy yourself.On  national radio this welt was saying it was nothing to worry about.

Same turd ,still on radio/tv  just now,no apologies for tthe dreadful advise given,just greeting about  how the travel industry will never recover from this virus outbreak.

 

 

 

Probably needs 15-20 in Wandsworth eh. 

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date Country, Deaths New deaths Critical
19/03/2020 Italy 4032    
20/03/2020 Italy 4032   2655
21/03/2020 Italy 4825 793 2857
22/03/2020 Italy 5476 651 3000
23/03/2020 Italy 6077 601 3204
24/03/2020 Italy 6820 743 3393
25/03/2020 Italy 7503 683 3489
         
19/03/2020 Spain      
20/03/2020 Spain 1,093   939
21/03/2020 Spain 1,378 285 1612
22/03/2020 Spain 1,756 375 1,785
23/03/2020 Spain 2,207 435 2,355
24/03/2020 Spain 2,800 489 2,355
25/03/2020 Spain 3,434 443 2,636

 

I keep mentioning the critical figures.

I would say, that both countries really struggling and no real improvements, new death figures rising and the critical rising at a faster rate. It's all down to how accurate the daily figures are., some dont get reported, as you will see above.

I read it as a new death figure would most likely have been on the previous days critical

 

@Footballfirst @AlphonseCapone

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9 hours ago, AlimOzturk said:

How come UK have much lower numbers in comparison to Italy/Spain? 

 

Both of them are getting much higher numbers daily than we have in total. Just curious if there is any theory's as to why. Considering the lack of hurry and lack of giving a shit by UK citizens I am struggling to understand why it would spread like wild fire in some places but not others. 

 

Germany is the same. 

This may have already been answered but I think Spain is testing more than the UK. Unless people are tested, and I could be wrong here, they won’t be added to the figures. Considering the advice from the NHS is to stay home for 2 weeks there could be many with it that we don’t know about. What’s concerning is that is happening here too - just last night i was Skyping friends here who all have the typical symptoms but they aren’t being tested either. The numbers in Spain will be worse than the figures released.

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10 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Seems really weird that people look forward with such anticipation to numbers of dead people being announced. Even weirder that excitement grows because numbers are released a wee while later than the day before.

 

Just picture you guys calling the family down so you can all sit round the tv together shouting ' Hurry kids, the death number from Spain is coming on'. 

Surprised there's not a sweep.

 

 

Everybody calm down, it's only some dark humour in these crap times.

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33 minutes ago, King prawn said:

This may have already been answered but I think Spain is testing more than the UK. Unless people are tested, and I could be wrong here, they won’t be added to the figures. Considering the advice from the NHS is to stay home for 2 weeks there could be many with it that we don’t know about. What’s concerning is that is happening here too - just last night i was Skyping friends here who all have the typical symptoms but they aren’t being tested either. The numbers in Spain will be worse than the figures released.

 

Death figures are all we can trust in the UK.

Link above is making that look sketchy too. Not accurate, but still indicative.

 

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Do you live in Madrid?

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