Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Byyy The Light]

10 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Gone are the days when 5 year olds could be left to make their own way to school. I was still only 4 when I started school, and was only escorted on my first day.  Thereafter I had to hoof it, wind rain or shine.

I’m not talking about 5 year olds though as they are going back, we’re talking 8 and 9 year olds and above. My youngest is 4 (due to start P1 in August) so is going back to nursery 2 days a week from Monday which is great but I have to take her right to the door of the nursery and inevitably will speak to other parents doing the same.

 

My P4 who is still going to be off I’d happily let run down the road from a few hundred metres away or jump out the car and head in herself. The logic of parents causing the spread therefore didn’t fit in my eyes if they are putting them back youngest first. Very rarely see any parents of the older kids around the school gates.

 

My 8 year old is struggling way worse than my 4 year old so I’d much rather it was her going back. 

[Ray Gin]

1 hour ago, Brighton Jambo said:

So last year with no vaccine and a later lockdown we were allowed Summer UK vacations and foreign holidays.
 

This year with a vaccine which by summer will be into the 30 and 40 something group and an earlier lockdown she is saying we may not be able to even holiday in the Uk.

 

Absolutely ridiculous.  No logic whatsoever and if she thinks people will accept another whole year written off she is delusional.  Once she’s loses peoples buy in she loses control.  

 

Last year the summer vacations and holidays spread the virus around again. Lessons have been learned. The adult population will not have been double dosed and we won't have had time to see how the vaccines hold up against multiple variants.

 

Nothing 'absolutely ridiculous' about it. 

[Byyy The Light]

10 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

It is not necessarily the mingling at the school, it is the fact that less parents will stay at home if the kids are not there to look after and therefor cause mingling.

 

😆 so they've admitted they are using our own kids against us in some kind of reverse hostage situation!

[Footballfirst]

5 minutes ago, Byyy The Light said:

I’m not talking about 5 year olds though as they are going back, we’re talking 8 and 9 year olds and above. My youngest is 4 (due to start P1 in August) so is going back to nursery 2 days a week from Monday which is great but I have to take her right to the door of the nursery and inevitably will speak to other parents doing the same.

 

My P4 who is still going to be off I’d happily let run down the road from a few hundred metres away or jump out the car and head in herself. The logic of parents causing the spread therefore didn’t fit in my eyes if they are putting them back youngest first. Very rarely see any parents of the older kids around the school gates.

 

My 8 year old is struggling way worse than my 4 year old so I’d much rather it was her going back. 

I fully understand the arguments for allowing the older kids going back first, but equally so I see the benefits of starting with the youngest ones.

 

I have two grandkids, aged 10 (P6) and 8 (P4) who will have to wait another four weeks or more, but appear to be coping pretty well for the most part, at least according to their mum. 

[ArcticJambo]

8 minutes ago, Byyy The Light said:

 

😆 so they've admitted they are using our own kids against us in some kind of reverse hostage situation!

... and just to add, by that line of thinking it's more likely that once the younger kids have been packed off to school then the parents can get on out there and get on with breaking restrictions coz they're no longer cooped up indoors with their kids. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Brian Dundas said:

If you want to be a dick about it then we have been under restrictions since March, or you could just understand what lockdown is. 

Temper temper...did i hit a raw nerve ???? 

1 hour ago, Boy Daniel said:

Big fanfare announcement in the week before the election.

 

 

 

 

 

Holidays are permitted! Didn’t we do well! Vote for Me! Vote for the SNP!!!

I wont be falling for that ...many will though 

53 minutes ago, theshed said:

Just catching up with the doom and gloom announcement earlier and she says things will be driven by data and not dates regards opening things up. 
What a pile of crap, what about when the data showed a few months back Edinburgh should have been in a lower tier? She didn’t follow data then 

 

Also Easter is 6 or 7 weeks away so what if the data is showing at that point really low figures and no deaths do you think she’d follow the data and open things up? 

She changed the goal posts at that time and didnt strictly adhere to the protocols in place as Red then pointed out.  

43 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Gone are the days when 5 year olds could be left to make their own way to school. I was still only 4 when I started school, and was only escorted on my first day.  Thereafter I had to hoof it, wind rain or shine.

Yep. Children are safer now than they have ever been actually.  Its a myth they are at more risk now than in the past.  However obviously still a risk for them. 

37 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

I've said before, she is enjoying the power and control and will relinquish it reluctantly.  Independence is the end game for absolutely everything she does. A compliant, restricted population who have been brainwashed in to thinking she is "keeping us safe" and "guiding us through a pandemic" would be far more likely to be hypnotised by  her in any future Independence campaign. I accept that there is a large proportion of the country who want Independence anyway, but she will need the support of many more to achieve her goal.

In terms of the pandemic, there is no moral, scientific nor legal basis for restricting people's rights and liberties much longer. Wanting to go slower than last summer is both bonkers and deluded in equal measure. She doesn't even seem to acknowledge the effect vaccines are having or will have in the next few months. We are now past the point where lockdown is doing more damage than good and the new variant argument is wearing thin. Once the majority of the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated then restrictions need lifted. If a younger cohort end up with the "sniffles" then the vaccines  have done their job.  There will always be exceptions, more severe reactions and, unfortunately,  death, as occurs with flu each year. That should not be stopping us getting back to the old normal and people starting to live again.

Thats why i felt her speech today was rather shocking really. Hardly any acknowledgement about the great efforts regarding vaccinations and how this will DEFINATELTY pave the way out of this.  There was zero hope regarding it. 

26 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Last year the summer vacations and holidays spread the virus around again. Lessons have been learned. The adult population will not have been double dosed and we won't have had time to see how the vaccines hold up against multiple variants.

 

Nothing 'absolutely ridiculous' about it. 

Evidence for that please ??????? No didnt think so.

[Ray Gin]

6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Temper temper...did i hit a raw nerve ???? 

I wont be falling for that ...many will though 

She changed the goal posts at that time and didnt strictly adhere to the protocols in place as Red then pointed out.  

Yep. Children are safer now than they have ever been actually.  Its a myth they are at more risk now than in the past.  However obviously still a risk for them. 

Thats why i felt her speech today was rather shocking really. Hardly any acknowledgement about the great efforts regarding vaccinations and how this will DEFINATELTY pave the way out of this.  There was zero hope regarding it. 

Evidence for that please ??????? No didnt think so.

 

Evidence for what? 

[sadj]

36 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

I've said before, she is enjoying the power and control and will relinquish it reluctantly.  Independence is the end game for absolutely everything she does. A compliant, restricted population who have been brainwashed in to thinking she is "keeping us safe" and "guiding us through a pandemic" would be far more likely to be hypnotised by  her in any future Independence campaign. I accept that there is a large proportion of the country who want Independence anyway, but she will need the support of many more to achieve her goal.

In terms of the pandemic, there is no moral, scientific nor legal basis for restricting people's rights and liberties much longer. Wanting to go slower than last summer is both bonkers and deluded in equal measure. She doesn't even seem to acknowledge the effect vaccines are having or will have in the next few months. We are now past the point where lockdown is doing more damage than good and the new variant argument is wearing thin. Once the majority of the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated then restrictions need lifted. If a younger cohort end up with the "sniffles" then the vaccines  have done their job.  There will always be exceptions, more severe reactions and, unfortunately,  death, as occurs with flu each year. That should not be stopping us getting back to the old normal and people starting to live again.

 

I assume this rage is aimed at both the SG (NS) and WM (BJ and GC) who have all been very much in the no holidays abroad and unlikely to probably not UK holidays. Also both governments saying they dont want to ease restrictions come out of lockdown and end up back in one so any dates given are guides but most likely to be put back nearer to the dates in question? 
 

The legal bit is bollocks though , what legal precedent is there to go by , this is an unprecedented situation?
 

The scientific argument is difficult without us knowing the full story. Its either a worldwide conspiracy/pile of shit doesnt exist or there is some scientific merit depends on how you view it. Then it depends if you believe the scientific info is valid for what the position of the various governments are.
 

Morally , the moral stance is to try and balance saving lives and not overwhelming healthcare facilities with peoples wellbeing and preventing a culling of vulnerable or older persons from Covey getting to them. So of course there is a moral reasoning to lockdown.
 

PS: there is more than enough support for Independence and its expected to rise. Diff thread though 😉

 

I wont pull you up on your wording of lockdown is now past the point of doing more harm than it is good as I knew what you meant - long term

effects aren’t known of the aftereffect of the vaccine , coveys reaction to it , mutations etc. They are pulling data looking at how diseases are known to react and making best guesses. Again with that its a personal opinion of if we are at a point where the harm outweighs the good

 

All very difficult and subjective things which is what makes the variety of opinions on here interesting as its a cross section of society , understanding and the concept of intelligence 😝

[sadj]

10 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Temper temper...did i hit a raw nerve ???? 

I wont be falling for that ...many will though 

She changed the goal posts at that time and didnt strictly adhere to the protocols in place as Red then pointed out.  

Yep. Children are safer now than they have ever been actually.  Its a myth they are at more risk now than in the past.  However obviously still a risk for them. 

Thats why i felt her speech today was rather shocking really. Hardly any acknowledgement about the great efforts regarding vaccinations and how this will DEFINATELTY pave the way out of this.  There was zero hope regarding it. 

Evidence for that please ??????? No didnt think so.

James I crack up at a lot of your posts and the reactions of others etc but that last bit asking for evidence 😒

 

Evidence for what we can’t magic evidence for how vaccines will affect us long term and can only estimate the timescales for double vaccinations. By which point some camps say it may be a case of starting all over again with them depending on mutations , better vaccines , falling levels of protection.

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Evidence for what? 

You said infection rates rose due to holidays and people heading abroad last summer. 

3 minutes ago, sadj said:

 

I assume this rage is aimed at both the SG (NS) and WM (BJ and GC) who have all been very much in the no holidays abroad and unlikely to probably not UK holidays. Also both governments saying they dont want to ease restrictions come out of lockdown and end up back in one so any dates given are guides but most likely to be put back nearer to the dates in question? 
 

The legal bit is bollocks though , what legal precedent is there to go by , this is an unprecedented situation?
 

The scientific argument is difficult without us knowing the full story. Its either a worldwide conspiracy/pile of shit doesnt exist or there is some scientific merit depends on how you view it. Then it depends if you believe the scientific info is valid for what the position of the various governments are.
 

Morally , the moral stance is to try and balance saving lives and not overwhelming healthcare facilities with peoples wellbeing and preventing a culling of vulnerable or older persons from Covey getting to them. So of course there is a moral reasoning to lockdown.
 

PS: there is more than enough support for Independence and its expected to rise. Diff thread though 😉

 

I wont pull you up on your wording of lockdown is now past the point of doing more harm than it is good as I knew what you meant - long term

effects aren’t known of the aftereffect of the vaccine , coveys reaction to it , mutations etc. They are pulling data looking at how diseases are known to react and making best guesses. Again with that its a personal opinion of if we are at a point where the harm outweighs the good

 

All very difficult and subjective things which is what makes the variety of opinions on here interesting as its a cross section of society , understanding and the concept of intelligence 😝

Excellent posting although I dont necessarily agree with it. 

[Governor Tarkin]

1 hour ago, Footballfirst said:

I was still only 4 when I started school, and was only escorted on my first day.  Thereafter I had to hoof it, wind rain or shine.

 

All the kids would gather at the door to Allermuir Court and head off together. The big ones must only have been 6 or7.

Changed days indeed.

[Ray Gin]

4 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

You said infection rates rose due to holidays and people heading abroad last summer. 

Excellent posting although I dont necessarily agree with it. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-55245314

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I was reading something on sky, it was saying the fish said the next restrictions to ease would be allowing family contact? 
 

Can anyone confirm, I could only take so much of it today, 

When were  there restrictions on family contact ????   

[redjambo]

23 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

She changed the goal posts at that time and didnt strictly adhere to the protocols in place as Red then pointed out.

 

I did what? The various indicators used in determining tiers are only advisory. If there's any doubt in the stability of an area to remain within a proposed tier then it is up to the decision-makers to make the decision that they feel is correct. The decision not to place Edinburgh in Tier 2 because of the "hot data" is probably one of the things that the SG has done right in this pandemic (don't ask me to make a list of things they've done wrong because it is quite long). There was a *lot* of public and media pressure on them to put Edinburgh into Tier 2 at the time, partially because the lack of granularity of the tier system and their decision not to put Glasgow into Tier 4 meant that both Edinburgh and Glasgow were in Tier 3 despite possessing significantly different Covid-related profiles at the time. However, against all that pressure, the SG made a decision based on the data. As I say, it's a time when you can look at the decision-making and say that it was almost certainly data-driven rather than politically-driven.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

I did what? The various indicators used in determining tiers are only advisory. If there's any doubt in the stability of an area to remain within a proposed tier then it is up to the decision-makers to make the decision that they feel is correct. The decision not to place Edinburgh in Tier 2 because of the "hot data" is probably one of the things that the SG has done right in this pandemic (don't ask me to make a list of things they've done wrong because it is quite long). There was a *lot* of public and media pressure on them to put Edinburgh into Tier 2 at the time, partially because the lack of granularity of the tier system and their decision not to put Glasgow into Tier 4 meant that both Edinburgh and Glasgow were in Tier 3 despite possessing significantly different Covid-related profiles at the time. However, against all that pressure, the SG made a decision based on the data. As I say, it's a time when you can look at the decision-making and say that it was almost certainly data-driven rather than politically-driven.

 

NO sorry I meant you stated that she changed the decision due to a prediction of a rise in cases  ( which I meant by saying " which Red pointed out" 

[Weakened Offender]

1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

Hopefully Frank will have got the door for the last time before then and smacked it off her behind on the way oot 

 

Scudding wummin your thing? 

[redjambo]

Just now, JamesM48 said:

NO sorry I meant you stated that she changed the decision due to a prediction of a rise in cases  ( which I meant by saying " which Red pointed out" 

 

I understand that, James, but you said that she "changed the goal posts at that time and didn't strictly adhere to the protocols". I disagree with both those points, since the goalposts always necessarily possess a measure of mobility, and the protocols (indicators) are always advisory. The decision-makers have to make the best decision based on the advice that they receive. In this case, it's not as if they changed any rules or regulations. They just made a call on the field of play that reflected the current situation, a difficult one that pissed off a shed load of people, but it ultimately proved to be the correct one.

 

In saying that, Edinburgh should not have been in the same tier as Glasgow at the time, it just wasn't stable enough to move into Tier 2. But that's a separate argument about the tier system in general.

[JudyJudyJudy]

7 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I understand that, James, but you said that she "changed the goal posts at that time and didn't strictly adhere to the protocols". I disagree with both those points, since the goalposts always necessarily possess a measure of mobility, and the protocols (indicators) are always advisory. The decision-makers have to make the best decision based on the advice that they receive. In this case, it's not as if they changed any rules or regulations. They just made a call on the field of play that reflected the current situation, a difficult one that pissed off a shed load of people, but it ultimately proved to be the correct one.

 

In saying that, Edinburgh should not have been in the same tier as Glasgow at the time, it just wasn't stable enough to move into Tier 2. But that's a separate argument about the tier system in general.

👍

[Nucky Thompson]

5 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

With the news that pubs were a significant cause of spread during the summer, I think hopes of boozers anytime soon are probably someway off. 

Where did they say this BJ?

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Where did they say this BJ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/covid-risk-pubs-study-b1802766.html

 

[Nucky Thompson]

6 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/covid-risk-pubs-study-b1802766.html

 

Ah right, a study/witch hunt funded by the SG to look at 29 premises.

The conclusion is some breaches 'potentially' could have caused risk or spread.

 

Probably enough for the SG to justify their anti-alcohol stance

[connlach]

The massive damage I am seeing to peoples mental health is hugely worrying.  The statement today provided no hope. That in itself is disgraceful.  

[Enzo Chiefo]

15 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Where did they say this BJ?

The survey was discredited not long after being published. There is no evidence whatsoever that pubs and restaurants were responsible for spreading the virus.

[Enzo Chiefo]

3 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Ah right, a study/witch hunt funded by the SG to look at 29 premises.

The conclusion is some breaches 'potentially' could have caused risk or spread.

 

Probably enough for the SG to justify their anti-alcohol stance

A similar survey, out tomorrow, is expected to confirm that shoppers who randomly lick shopping trolleys are "potentially " more at risk of catching Covid. The SG are considering the evidence and are expected to announce that all shoppers will have to quarantine for 10 days at Redford Barracks after visiting Tesco, in case they have come in to contact with trolley lickers. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

6 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Ah right, a study/witch hunt funded by the SG to look at 29 premises.

The conclusion is some breaches 'potentially' could have caused risk or spread.

 

Probably enough for the SG to justify their anti-alcohol stance

It's heartbreaking if true. 

😭

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, JamesM48 said:

Temper temper...did i hit a raw nerve ???? 

I wont be falling for that ...many will though 

She changed the goal posts at that time and didnt strictly adhere to the protocols in place as Red then pointed out.  

Yep. Children are safer now than they have ever been actually.  Its a myth they are at more risk now than in the past.  However obviously still a risk for them. 

Thats why i felt her speech today was rather shocking really. Hardly any acknowledgement about the great efforts regarding vaccinations and how this will DEFINATELTY pave the way out of this.  There was zero hope regarding it. 

Evidence for that please ??????? No didnt think so.

Spot on James. Her attitude recently has been disgraceful.  She will have to follow the UK lead again and Boris's boosterism will ensure that pubs and restaurants will open in Scotland much sooner than she would have wanted. Ending the present furlough scheme, and introducing benefits for businesses that are trading again, will focus her mind.

[Enzo Chiefo]

5 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

The news are saying it’s being used by SG. 
 

Agree with it or not, that doesn’t really matter.  What do you think the likely outcome. Do you think the fish will say it garbage or play to her cautious nature and desire to follow the data🤷🏻‍♂️

Hmmm, tough one, Lord BJ. Convenient,  very convenient. 

[manaliveits105]

7 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

The survey was discredited not long after being published. There is no evidence whatsoever that pubs and restaurants were responsible for spreading the virus.

This 

 

They sat about 29 pubs for 2 hours taking a note of people greeting each other talking shouting laughing and getting within 1 metre at certain pinch points in bars eg toilet corridors 

Funded by the SG who will now use it as ammunition to keep them closed despite bars spending £80 million on covid safety

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

Just now, manaliveits105 said:

This 

 

They sat about 29 pubs for 2 hours taking a note of people greeting each other talking shouting laughing and getting within 1 metre at certain pinch points in bars eg toilet corridors 

Funded by the SG who will now use it as ammunition to keep them closed despite bars spending £80 million on covid safety

 

Corruption at it's best. If the evidence isn't there , just concoct it. Shameful. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, sadj said:

 

I assume this rage is aimed at both the SG (NS) and WM (BJ and GC) who have all been very much in the no holidays abroad and unlikely to probably not UK holidays. Also both governments saying they dont want to ease restrictions come out of lockdown and end up back in one so any dates given are guides but most likely to be put back nearer to the dates in question? 
 

The legal bit is bollocks though , what legal precedent is there to go by , this is an unprecedented situation?
 

The scientific argument is difficult without us knowing the full story. Its either a worldwide conspiracy/pile of shit doesnt exist or there is some scientific merit depends on how you view it. Then it depends if you believe the scientific info is valid for what the position of the various governments are.
 

Morally , the moral stance is to try and balance saving lives and not overwhelming healthcare facilities with peoples wellbeing and preventing a culling of vulnerable or older persons from Covey getting to them. So of course there is a moral reasoning to lockdown.
 

PS: there is more than enough support for Independence and its expected to rise. Diff thread though 😉

 

I wont pull you up on your wording of lockdown is now past the point of doing more harm than it is good as I knew what you meant - long term

effects aren’t known of the aftereffect of the vaccine , coveys reaction to it , mutations etc. They are pulling data looking at how diseases are known to react and making best guesses. Again with that its a personal opinion of if we are at a point where the harm outweighs the good

 

All very difficult and subjective things which is what makes the variety of opinions on here interesting as its a cross section of society , understanding and the concept of intelligence 😝

No Sadj, I think there is a world of difference between Boris and NS in terms of their desire to unlock. He at least gives a bit of positivity and hope about the future and is a libertarian.  He is talking about UK holidays at Easter and has not ruled out foreign trips at any point this year.  Sturgeon's approach is all doom and gloom and gives the impression that she doesn’t actually want this to end. 

Lockdown may have been justified in the past but come April/May the top 9 groups will have been vaccinated. They have accounted for 99% of deaths thus far and 80% of hospital admissions.  There is no justification for lockdown after they are done. If cases go up, so be it. The most vulnerable will be vaccinated and the virus may struggle to find enough susceptible people to be any threat. If hospitals do become busy then that is an issue for them and would not justify another lockdown. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

2 hours ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Because the weather is **** and prices are going through the roof?

 

Add in lack of availability especially at peak times as well.

[theshed]

23 minutes ago, connlach said:

The massive damage I am seeing to peoples mental health is hugely worrying.  The statement today provided no hope. That in itself is disgraceful.  

 

Total doom and gloom today. Don’t book holidays don’t look forward to getting away in the summer ect 

 

Im no expert but why could she not have at least talked up how good the vaccine is going and hopefully by the summer everyone over 50 will be done and we might get a holiday. Try be upbeat at least 

[Taffin]

48 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

With the news that pubs were a significant cause of spread during the summer, I think hopes of boozers anytime soon are probably someway off. 

 

Cases didn't really start to rise until into October. That's quite a delay for the summertime boozer spike to have kicked in.

[CavySlaveJambo]

4 hours ago, Lord BJ said:

No holidays at Easter home or abroad, with no guarantee of summer holidays in U.K. 

 

This is quite depressing messaging tbh

 

Ohh it looks like geographical restrictions will be in place. So Edinburgh better hope West Lothian starts dropping as opposed to the steep increase that rivals some crypto currencies right now. 

And Midlothian. 

Geographical Restrictions do not work though. There have been more tier raises than there have been drops.  Especially when a tier is only meant to be 4-6 weeks 

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 hour ago, sadj said:

James I crack up at a lot of your posts and the reactions of others etc but that last bit asking for evidence 😒

 

Evidence for what we can’t magic evidence for how vaccines will affect us long term and can only estimate the timescales for double vaccinations. By which point some camps say it may be a case of starting all over again with them depending on mutations , better vaccines , falling levels of protection.

We 'magiced' evidence of long Covid, we 'magiced' evidence of the new super scary version of virus being more transmittable just in time to extend circuit breaker, we 'magiced'  evidence today that pubs are dangerous (based on the tremendously large survey of 29 pubs), we 'magiced' evidence of Covid knowing difference between being in cafe before 6pm and after 6pm, yet when something positive is suggested, we need to be cautious and wait months for the evidence. 

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

5 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Cases didn't really start to rise until into October. That's quite a delay for the summertime boozer spike to have kicked in.

 

Must have taken time for covid to learn the difference between beer & a latte, maybe covid ain't as smart as we were told it was.

[CavySlaveJambo]

1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

We 'magiced' evidence of long Covid, we 'magiced' evidence of the new super scary version of virus being more transmittable just in time to extend circuit breaker, we 'magiced'  evidence today that pubs are dangerous (based on the tremendously large survey of 29 pubs), we 'magiced' evidence of Covid knowing difference between being in cafe before 6pm and after 6pm, yet when something positive is suggested, we need to be cautious and wait months for the evidence. 

 

The circuit breaker ended when the ineffective tier system was brought in. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

9 minutes ago, theshed said:

 

Total doom and gloom today. Don’t book holidays don’t look forward to getting away in the summer ect 

 

Im no expert but why could she not have at least talked up how good the vaccine is going and hopefully by the summer everyone over 50 will be done and we might get a holiday. Try be upbeat at least 

Not her thing though is it. She needs to be ultra cautious and able to appear caring. Wait and see what Westminster do and then take it one step further enabling her to complain and blame, her speciality. 

 

[Malinga the Swinga]

2 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Must have taken time for covid to learn the difference between beer & a latte, maybe covid ain't as smart as we were told it was.

Not easy for the virus, it also had to learn the various times that places shut throughout UK. 

Stupid flu virus can only strike anyone anytime. 

[sadj]

31 minutes ago, Barack said:

I've cancelled my Cyprus trip in September. Too much hassle. Go in May next year instead.

 

So instead, I'll visit my parents who'll be nice & vaccinated. I'll have had my 1st jab by then too. And I'm going to do the North Coast 500.

 

If things aren't opened across the UK to a certain sense of normality by then... I'm happy to pay my fixed fine.

Not done the NC500 which for a wee petrol head and a proud Scottish blokey is a disgrace but few of my mates who have say its stunning and well worth it. 
 

Tbf the NC500 is a bit less risky than the Birmingham nightclub that got busted or the Covid Arms that was similarly busted at the weekend.🙈

 

You going to cope without the annual pilgrimage to El Cyproos? 
 

When was the last time you got up to see them?  

[Enzo Chiefo]

6 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

We 'magiced' evidence of long Covid, we 'magiced' evidence of the new super scary version of virus being more transmittable just in time to extend circuit breaker, we 'magiced'  evidence today that pubs are dangerous (based on the tremendously large survey of 29 pubs), we 'magiced' evidence of Covid knowing difference between being in cafe before 6pm and after 6pm, yet when something positive is suggested, we need to be cautious and wait months for the evidence. 

 

We were also told that Blackpool was responsible for a lot of spread,  probably counts as overseas in the FM's mind,  just before an OF game when pubs were open there. Convenient, very convenient.  Nearly as timely as that super-duper new Kent strain being "discovered" just before Christmas.  Whatever happened to that strain we used to hear so much about😮

[GBJambo]

1 hour ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/covid-risk-pubs-study-b1802766.html

 

Did they do the same study in shops and supermarkets 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

7 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Not easy for the virus, it also had to learn the various times that places shut throughout UK. 

Stupid flu virus can only strike anyone anytime. 

 

Yip, forgot about that, in Scotland it was something like 6pm, in England it was 10pm and N.Ireland was 11pm IIRC.

No wonder the virus took time to figure out the difference.

[Governor Tarkin]

41 minutes ago, Barack said:

I've cancelled my Cyprus trip in September. Too much hassle. Go in May next year instead.

 

 

Optimistic imo.

[CavySlaveJambo]

Random thought. but those areas which have been stubborn to reduce transmission could be those which have some of the most deprived areas and the areas with the smallest populations on the mainland. @redjambowhat do you think considering you are the resident statistician. 

 

 

Edited February 16, 2021 by CavySlaveJambo

[husref musemic]

1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Ah right, a study/witch hunt funded by the SG to look at 29 premises.

The conclusion is some breaches 'potentially' could have caused risk or spread.

 

Probably enough for the SG to justify their anti-alcohol stance

funny i read this at the weekend.

 

https://dramscotland.co.uk/2021/02/12/scottish-hospitality-group-has-below-1-infection-rate-among-staff-since-july/

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, CavySlaveJambo said:

Random thought. but those areas which have been stubborn to reduce transmission could be those which have some of the most deprived areas and the areas with the smallest populations on the mainland. @redjambowhat do you think considering you are the resident statistician.

 

I'm not a statistician! But what I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career...  

 

I have no idea. CSJ. There have been links made between deprivation and transmission. See https://www.gov.scot/publications/covid-19-framework-decision-making-assessing-four-harms-crisis/pages/4/ for example: "People living in areas of multiple-deprivation are more likely to have higher rates of virus transmission, serious illness or death caused by COVID-19 than those in the least deprived areas."

 

I'm not sure about the population link, although I would imagine that population density must be a factor. The likes of the Highlands, Morays, island councils, and Argylls have tended to favour well as regards transmission when compared against areas with more dense and urban populations. Which areas are you thinking of?

[Brighton Jambo]

2 hours ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Last year the summer vacations and holidays spread the virus around again. Lessons have been learned. The adult population will not have been double dosed and we won't have had time to see how the vaccines hold up against multiple variants.

 

Nothing 'absolutely ridiculous' about it. 

It is absolutely ridiculous.  The head of the vaccine task force has just said that by August all adults will have had both doses of the vaccine.  He even said it could be sooner if needed.

 

That gives 6 months worth of data on the effectiveness of vaccine both here and from other countries.

 

And I am only talking about UK holidays here.  How when every adult is vaccinated fully and we have months of data on vaccines can we not have a holiday in UK.  I will say it again, absolutely ridiculous.  

[CavySlaveJambo]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I'm not a statistician! But what I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career...  

 

I have no idea. CSJ. There have been links made between deprivation and transmission. See https://www.gov.scot/publications/covid-19-framework-decision-making-assessing-four-harms-crisis/pages/4/ for example: "People living in areas of multiple-deprivation are more likely to have higher rates of virus transmission, serious illness or death caused by COVID-19 than those in the least deprived areas."

 

I'm not sure about the population link, although I would imagine that population density must be a factor. The likes of the Highlands, Morays, island councils, and Argylls have tended to favour well as regards transmission when compared against areas with more dense and urban populations. Which areas are you thinking of?

The less rural areas with a population below 100k. So Midlothian,  East Renfrewshire, Clackmannashire, Inverclyde, West Dumbartonshire, Stirling. 

If I recall correctly, these where all stubborn area to get case rates to drop before Christmas, 

[Victorian]

Away from the hysterical moaning for a bit...

 

Channel 4 News reported on India's mysteriously shrinking epidemic.  Their epidemic has greatly reduced over the past 4 months and there's no explanation for it.  Vaccinations have only just started.  Mask wearing is patchy.  Social distancing... what in India?

 

Very interesting.  I wonder if there's any specifics to be really hopeful about.

 

Feel free to discuss or just make stuff up about it. 

 

Edited February 16, 2021 by Victorian