Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Footballfirst]

7 minutes ago, willie wallace said:

Why is Ireland exempt from the quarantine rule?

Probably down to the Good Friday agreement about free movement across the Irish border.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

5 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Probably down to the Good Friday agreement about free movement across the Irish border.

 

The common travel area between the UK & Ireland was established back in 1922.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7661/

Edited February 15, 2021 by Jambo-Jimbo

[willie wallace]

6 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Probably down to the Good Friday agreement about free movement across the Irish border.

Cheers for that FF

[Nucky Thompson]

I see Sturgeon used the words vaccine offered today 

Not a problem, but she was sniping at the UK government for doing the same thing for the last couple of weeks

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I see Sturgeon used the words vaccine offered today 

Not a problem, but she was sniping at the UK government for doing the same thing for the last couple of weeks

She also insinuates the UK govt are out of step with the quarantine policy. She never mentions her beloved Ireland who are also operating a targetted quarantine approach with a "red list" of only 20 countries. Scotland,  for political reasons of course, appear to be the outlier with the policy that they've adopted.

[manaliveits105]

She didnt look happy today (something on her mind ?)- if all these targets have been met whats all the if youve been missed get in touch routine .

pure politiking going on over the airport quarantining - I would close the border if no alternative !! 

strange that countries like Germany have same "red list" type regulations like rUK but we know better.

[Victorian]

More chat from the PM to reinforce the 'once and for all' way lockdown will end.  There's going to be a roadmap but it looks like they wont absolutely commit to firm dates on things.  It looks like there's no appetite to open up if it leaves and risk of a reversal.  Not that you can fully guarantee anything.

 

With every passing week we're getting closer to the temporary new normal though.  Hopefully temporary for as short a time as possible with no relapsing.  

 

Meanwhile the Tory backbench headbangers,  the 'Covid Research Group' want everything now.  They're no more than personal opportunist agitators playing political populism.

[Footballfirst]

5 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

strange that countries like Germany have same "red list" type regulations like rUK but we know better.

Also strange that some posters think they know better than the Scottish and UK governments with regard to their approach to lockdown and other restrictions, when much of the rest of Europe has adopted similar measures.

[SE16 3LN]

35 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

The common travel area between the UK & Ireland was established back in 1922.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7661/

Yep, existed for more than a hundred years amended slightly in 1981 and little to do with the GFA. The Irish govt. have been loathe to mention it over the decades, but it has been required to cope with the migration of Irish workers at times of economic hardship. This was essential to both the UK and Irish govt's. There is some anecdotal evidence that many are now using it to get round the EU vaccine fiasco and get an early vaccine in the UK. 

[manaliveits105]

Which other European countries have the same system  that Scotland are putting in place ?- even our beloved EU ( who can pop in and out of each others country if tested ) haven't - its politiking little else.

[Footballfirst]

Despite all the self congratulation about meeting the UK's 15m vaccination target by 15 February, there are still deficiencies in what has been achieved. Matt Hancock has acknowledged that a third of social care staff have not been vaccinated.

 

Similarly one NHS Trust has reported that only 36.8% of its black staff have taken up the offer of a vaccine.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56065986

[willie wallace]

31 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I see Sturgeon used the words vaccine offered today 

Not a problem, but she was sniping at the UK government for doing the same thing for the last couple of weeks

And as she explained she was referring to the very small numbers who may have missed out due to the weather or having rebooked for various reasons.

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

 

Meanwhile the Tory backbench headbangers,  the 'Covid Research Group' want everything now.  They're no more than personal opportunist agitators playing political populism.

Is it not a good thing that politicians on all sides try and hold the government to account, offer opposing views and challenge what they do? 

 

Seems like a healthy approach  to me.

[willie wallace]

4 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I would like to see SG provide some updated plan or road map for easing of restrictions or plan for rest of year type thing, 

 

We’re getting to stage where there need to be something to help people understand next steps and provide some ‘hope’. Other than youngest age groups going back next week we know nothing about how we plan to move forward. 

I think everything is now dependent on the vaccine roll out.

I too would like to see some of the targets that would have to be met before restrictions could be eased but after what happened last year  I reckon another couple of months at least of the current vaccine numbers  before that happens.

[Brighton Jambo]

56 minutes ago, Victorian said:

More chat from the PM to reinforce the 'once and for all' way lockdown will end.  There's going to be a roadmap but it looks like they wont absolutely commit to firm dates on things.  It looks like there's no appetite to open up if it leaves and risk of a reversal.  Not that you can fully guarantee anything.

 

With every passing week we're getting closer to the temporary new normal though.  Hopefully temporary for as short a time as possible with no relapsing.  

 

Meanwhile the Tory backbench headbangers,  the 'Covid Research Group' want everything now.  They're no more than personal opportunist agitators playing political populism.

I don’t agree with Covid Research Group but I am glad they exist as it means the government has to answer the questions many people are asking.  Millions of people across the UK will agree with them and it important their views are at least represented even if not acted on.

 

Having a government held to account by its own MP’s is critical for a thriving democracy.  What I wouldn’t give to see the same level of debate happening in the Scottish Government.  But it will

never happen.  They hold the party line no matter what and no matter what some of their constituents may actually think.  It’s sinister.  

[Don Dan]

48 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

pure politiking

Thats exactly what it is. Whether or not you believe that Indy is the way to go she is very clearly using Covid19 as a tool to further her cause. Going back to the beginning of this pandemic she would attend UK briefings and rush to the podium to Gazzump the Westminster briefing. Then she would agree to the consensus approach at the 4 nations joint meeting then only to say they will do their own thing. Now it’s all about border control with this Red Zone quarantine rule. She is now demanding that the other nations follow her rules and if not then impose our rules on people landing in their country. She forgets the Border Control is not a devolved issue and she has no control over it.  
 

[Footballfirst]

West Lothian down to 55 from yesterday's 106 cases, still high but moving in the right direction again.

 

It certainly looks like HMP Addiewell, as the neighbourhood of Briech now has 7day/100k rate of 1,385 for the week up to 12 February. It will no doubt go higher once you add in the last couple of days data.

Edited February 15, 2021 by Footballfirst

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 15 February 2021

Summary

• 559 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-344]
• 9,943 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results – 7.0% of these were positive [-3,865; -0.3%]
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) [-4]
• 102 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-2]
• 1,428 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-14]
• 1,255,190 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 14,501 have received their second dose [+31,416; +220]

[sadj]

1 hour ago, willie wallace said:

Why is Ireland exempt from the quarantine rule?

Just heard on the radio that a flight from Turkey arrived at Edinburgh with only 5 passengers.

 

1 hour ago, Footballfirst said:

Probably down to the Good Friday agreement about free movement across the Irish border.

Lol , least its better than our neighbour he has his gf living with him (fair enough) but he has a constant stream of mates in and out , staying for days on end and as far as Police are concerned they all have documentation to say they are allowed to be there 🤣 so NI and my Neighbours the two places to go for a sesh during lockdowj with no worries

 

[sadj]

21 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 

 

Good points all round.

 

Flexible 'roadmap' with no reverse option is essential for morale and economic confidence.

 

CRG aren't headbangers. They are part of the variety of voices required in this situation so that people's views are represented and alternate voices to the ultra-cautious context-free scientific advisors who are enjoying so much time in the sun I think they must all have got sunstroke.

CRG headbanger type post 😏
 

 

Edit: sorry forgot where i was

 

Which view is happy clapping which is pant wetting 🤷🏻‍♂️

Edited February 15, 2021 by sadj

[Dennis Reynolds]

58 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I would like to see SG provide some updated plan or road map for easing of restrictions or plan for rest of year type thing, 

 

We’re getting to stage where there need to be something to help people understand next steps and provide some ‘hope’. Other than youngest age groups going back next week we know nothing about how we plan to move forward. 

 

Pure speculation on my part but with Boris planning on revealing his roadmap next Monday, I would expect Sturgeon to so something similar. 

 

I think it would make sense even if it came with pretty clear and straightforward caveats. We plan to open up so and so but this is conditional on this many vaccines being done or this level of infection rate type deal. If anything, it might stop people chancing the rules if they know that in two weeks they won't have to break them. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 hour ago, Footballfirst said:

Despite all the self congratulation about meeting the UK's 15m vaccination target by 15 February, there are still deficiencies in what has been achieved. Matt Hancock has acknowledged that a third of social care staff have not been vaccinated.

 

Similarly one NHS Trust has reported that only 36.8% of its black staff have taken up the offer of a vaccine.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56065986

Not much government can do if 60 odd percent of a trusts staff are refusing, for whatever reason to accept vaccine. Perhaps make it condition of employment and if they still refuse, then employ someone else qualified to do job and who would be grateful to have vaccine. 

The vaccine isn't racist, so no exceptions should be made for colour of person refusing to take it. 

[redjambo]

The latest 7-day stats. Quite a surprising figure from Glasgow City today of only 50 cases (it's usually well over 100) - I'm hoping that this isn't indicative of a data problem with the city's test results.

 

		Pre-	7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Lockdown	Today	Yesterday			13 Feb	12 Feb	11 Feb	10 Feb	9 Feb	...	20 Dec
Scotland			103	110	-7		104	104	105	111	114	...	98
East Ayrshire	4	3	319	316	+3		284	254	204	156	145	...	153
Clackmannanshire	4	3	229	221	+8		227	211	208	211	211	...	148
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	227	224	+3		201	182	183	177	182	...	120
Falkirk	4	2	196	205	-9		190	183	186	221	239	...	60
West Lothian	4	3	164	152	+12		100	106	106	124	115	...	83
Renfrewshire	4	3	159	166	-7		147	152	137	147	156	...	116
Stirling	4	3	159	165	-6		160	153	158	160	151	...	70
Third Lanark North	4	3	149	167	-18		161	160	162	173	184	...	119
Third Lanark South	4	3	146	151	-5		150	147	145	148	149	...	120
North Ayrshire	4	3	135	144	-9		135	129	136	132	127	...	175
Glasgow City	4	3	133	153	-20		144	145	149	157	166	...	129
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4	1	116	124	-8		116	124	101	109	97	...	22
East Renfrewshire	4	3	109	127	-18		106	106	120	134	134	...	101
Inverclyde	4	2	104	100	+4		99	104	93	102	109	...	59
Midlothian	4	3	97	100	-3		98	98	96	108	100	...	136
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	73	86	-13		87	93	101	91	87	...	32
South Ayrshire	4	3	72	85	-13		91	94	103	111	116	...	98
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	69	83	-14		83	96	104	111	122	...	70
Argyll & Bute	4/3	2	68	79	-11		83	87	98	109	115	...	29
Moray	4	1	67	78	-11		72	77	75	78	82	...	13
Edinburgh City	4	3	60	62	-2		61	63	63	67	67	...	109
East Lothian	4	3	58	78	-20		73	81	82	96	94	...	148
Highland	4/3	1	58	62	-4		59	61	66	59	67	...	17
Fife	4	3	56	55	+1		53	52	49	55	57	...	97
Perth & Kinross	4	3	55	64	-9		71	59	59	66	65	...	126
Angus	4	2	53	61	-8		67	79	94	107	118	...	37
Aberdeenshire	4	3	45	49	-4		49	41	48	56	55	...	88
Dundee City	4	3	38	40	-2		40	54	70	83	97	...	113
Aberdeen City	4	3	35	41	-6		43	40	47	52	54	...	163
Scottish Borders	4	1	29	29	0		31	35	36	48	52	...	85
Orkney Islands	3	1	27	27	0		27	27	18	9	4	...	0
Shetland Islands	3	1	4	4	0		9	9	9	9	9	...	0
7-day averages
Tests			17424	18373	-949		17754	17137	17531	18038	18515	...	16839
Positivity rate %			5.4	5.5	-0.1		5.4	5.5	5.5	5.6	5.7	...	5.2
Hospital (non-ICU)			1384	1418	-34		1455	1494	1539	1581	1626	...	975
ICU			109	110	-1		111	112	113	115	118	...	50
Deaths			39	40	-1		40	40	40	40	46	...	25
All Vaccinations			56064	55497	+567		55852	53631	51262	48669	45946
1st Dose			55481	54930	+551		55288	53016	50629	48044	45349
2nd Dose			583	567	+16		564	615	633	625	597

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 hour ago, Footballfirst said:

Also strange that some posters think they know better than the Scottish and UK governments with regard to their approach to lockdown and other restrictions, when much of the rest of Europe has adopted similar measures.

Also strange that some just can't see or acknowledge any criticism of SG without immediately responding with whataboutery as deflection tool. 

 

[Dagger Is Back]

5 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day stats. Quite a surprising figure from Glasgow City today of only 50 cases (it's usually well over 100) - I'm hoping that this isn't indicative of a data problem with the city's test results.

 

		Pre-	7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Lockdown	Today	Yesterday			13 Feb	12 Feb	11 Feb	10 Feb	9 Feb	...	20 Dec
Scotland			103	110	-7		104	104	105	111	114	...	98
East Ayrshire	4	3	319	316	+3		284	254	204	156	145	...	153
Clackmannanshire	4	3	229	221	+8		227	211	208	211	211	...	148
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	227	224	+3		201	182	183	177	182	...	120
Falkirk	4	2	196	205	-9		190	183	186	221	239	...	60
West Lothian	4	3	164	152	+12		100	106	106	124	115	...	83
Renfrewshire	4	3	159	166	-7		147	152	137	147	156	...	116
Stirling	4	3	159	165	-6		160	153	158	160	151	...	70
Third Lanark North	4	3	149	167	-18		161	160	162	173	184	...	119
Third Lanark South	4	3	146	151	-5		150	147	145	148	149	...	120
North Ayrshire	4	3	135	144	-9		135	129	136	132	127	...	175
Glasgow City	4	3	133	153	-20		144	145	149	157	166	...	129
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4	1	116	124	-8		116	124	101	109	97	...	22
East Renfrewshire	4	3	109	127	-18		106	106	120	134	134	...	101
Inverclyde	4	2	104	100	+4		99	104	93	102	109	...	59
Midlothian	4	3	97	100	-3		98	98	96	108	100	...	136
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	73	86	-13		87	93	101	91	87	...	32
South Ayrshire	4	3	72	85	-13		91	94	103	111	116	...	98
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	69	83	-14		83	96	104	111	122	...	70
Argyll & Bute	4/3	2	68	79	-11		83	87	98	109	115	...	29
Moray	4	1	67	78	-11		72	77	75	78	82	...	13
Edinburgh City	4	3	60	62	-2		61	63	63	67	67	...	109
East Lothian	4	3	58	78	-20		73	81	82	96	94	...	148
Highland	4/3	1	58	62	-4		59	61	66	59	67	...	17
Fife	4	3	56	55	+1		53	52	49	55	57	...	97
Perth & Kinross	4	3	55	64	-9		71	59	59	66	65	...	126
Angus	4	2	53	61	-8		67	79	94	107	118	...	37
Aberdeenshire	4	3	45	49	-4		49	41	48	56	55	...	88
Dundee City	4	3	38	40	-2		40	54	70	83	97	...	113
Aberdeen City	4	3	35	41	-6		43	40	47	52	54	...	163
Scottish Borders	4	1	29	29	0		31	35	36	48	52	...	85
Orkney Islands	3	1	27	27	0		27	27	18	9	4	...	0
Shetland Islands	3	1	4	4	0		9	9	9	9	9	...	0
7-day averages
Tests			17424	18373	-949		17754	17137	17531	18038	18515	...	16839
Positivity rate %			5.4	5.5	-0.1		5.4	5.5	5.5	5.6	5.7	...	5.2
Hospital (non-ICU)			1384	1418	-34		1455	1494	1539	1581	1626	...	975
ICU			109	110	-1		111	112	113	115	118	...	50
Deaths			39	40	-1		40	40	40	40	46	...	25
All Vaccinations			56064	55497	+567		55852	53631	51262	48669	45946
1st Dose			55481	54930	+551		55288	53016	50629	48044	45349
2nd Dose			583	567	+16		564	615	633	625	597

Thank you again. Tomorrows announcement can't come quickly enough. Next steps are going to be very interesting.

[¼½¾]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day stats. Quite a surprising figure from Glasgow City today of only 50 cases (it's usually well over 100) - I'm hoping that this isn't indicative of a data problem with the city's test results.

 

		Pre-	7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Lockdown	Today	Yesterday			13 Feb	12 Feb	11 Feb	10 Feb	9 Feb	...	20 Dec
Scotland			103	110	-7		104	104	105	111	114	...	98
East Ayrshire	4	3	319	316	+3		284	254	204	156	145	...	153
Clackmannanshire	4	3	229	221	+8		227	211	208	211	211	...	148
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	227	224	+3		201	182	183	177	182	...	120
Falkirk	4	2	196	205	-9		190	183	186	221	239	...	60
West Lothian	4	3	164	152	+12		100	106	106	124	115	...	83
Renfrewshire	4	3	159	166	-7		147	152	137	147	156	...	116
Stirling	4	3	159	165	-6		160	153	158	160	151	...	70
Third Lanark North	4	3	149	167	-18		161	160	162	173	184	...	119
Third Lanark South	4	3	146	151	-5		150	147	145	148	149	...	120
North Ayrshire	4	3	135	144	-9		135	129	136	132	127	...	175
Glasgow City	4	3	133	153	-20		144	145	149	157	166	...	129
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4	1	116	124	-8		116	124	101	109	97	...	22
East Renfrewshire	4	3	109	127	-18		106	106	120	134	134	...	101
Inverclyde	4	2	104	100	+4		99	104	93	102	109	...	59
Midlothian	4	3	97	100	-3		98	98	96	108	100	...	136
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	73	86	-13		87	93	101	91	87	...	32
South Ayrshire	4	3	72	85	-13		91	94	103	111	116	...	98
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	69	83	-14		83	96	104	111	122	...	70
Argyll & Bute	4/3	2	68	79	-11		83	87	98	109	115	...	29
Moray	4	1	67	78	-11		72	77	75	78	82	...	13
Edinburgh City	4	3	60	62	-2		61	63	63	67	67	...	109
East Lothian	4	3	58	78	-20		73	81	82	96	94	...	148
Highland	4/3	1	58	62	-4		59	61	66	59	67	...	17
Fife	4	3	56	55	+1		53	52	49	55	57	...	97
Perth & Kinross	4	3	55	64	-9		71	59	59	66	65	...	126
Angus	4	2	53	61	-8		67	79	94	107	118	...	37
Aberdeenshire	4	3	45	49	-4		49	41	48	56	55	...	88
Dundee City	4	3	38	40	-2		40	54	70	83	97	...	113
Aberdeen City	4	3	35	41	-6		43	40	47	52	54	...	163
Scottish Borders	4	1	29	29	0		31	35	36	48	52	...	85
Orkney Islands	3	1	27	27	0		27	27	18	9	4	...	0
Shetland Islands	3	1	4	4	0		9	9	9	9	9	...	0
7-day averages
Tests			17424	18373	-949		17754	17137	17531	18038	18515	...	16839
Positivity rate %			5.4	5.5	-0.1		5.4	5.5	5.5	5.6	5.7	...	5.2
Hospital (non-ICU)			1384	1418	-34		1455	1494	1539	1581	1626	...	975
ICU			109	110	-1		111	112	113	115	118	...	50
Deaths			39	40	-1		40	40	40	40	46	...	25
All Vaccinations			56064	55497	+567		55852	53631	51262	48669	45946
1st Dose			55481	54930	+551		55288	53016	50629	48044	45349
2nd Dose			583	567	+16		564	615	633	625	597

Where are you getting the figure of 50 for the City of Glasgow?  If I'm looking at the right thing, it says 133 there.

[The Real Maroonblood]

9 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day stats. Quite a surprising figure from Glasgow City today of only 50 cases (it's usually well over 100) - I'm hoping that this isn't indicative of a data problem with the city's test results.

 

		Pre-	7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Lockdown	Today	Yesterday			13 Feb	12 Feb	11 Feb	10 Feb	9 Feb	...	20 Dec
Scotland			103	110	-7		104	104	105	111	114	...	98
East Ayrshire	4	3	319	316	+3		284	254	204	156	145	...	153
Clackmannanshire	4	3	229	221	+8		227	211	208	211	211	...	148
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	227	224	+3		201	182	183	177	182	...	120
Falkirk	4	2	196	205	-9		190	183	186	221	239	...	60
West Lothian	4	3	164	152	+12		100	106	106	124	115	...	83
Renfrewshire	4	3	159	166	-7		147	152	137	147	156	...	116
Stirling	4	3	159	165	-6		160	153	158	160	151	...	70
Third Lanark North	4	3	149	167	-18		161	160	162	173	184	...	119
Third Lanark South	4	3	146	151	-5		150	147	145	148	149	...	120
North Ayrshire	4	3	135	144	-9		135	129	136	132	127	...	175
Glasgow City	4	3	133	153	-20		144	145	149	157	166	...	129
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4	1	116	124	-8		116	124	101	109	97	...	22
East Renfrewshire	4	3	109	127	-18		106	106	120	134	134	...	101
Inverclyde	4	2	104	100	+4		99	104	93	102	109	...	59
Midlothian	4	3	97	100	-3		98	98	96	108	100	...	136
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	73	86	-13		87	93	101	91	87	...	32
South Ayrshire	4	3	72	85	-13		91	94	103	111	116	...	98
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	69	83	-14		83	96	104	111	122	...	70
Argyll & Bute	4/3	2	68	79	-11		83	87	98	109	115	...	29
Moray	4	1	67	78	-11		72	77	75	78	82	...	13
Edinburgh City	4	3	60	62	-2		61	63	63	67	67	...	109
East Lothian	4	3	58	78	-20		73	81	82	96	94	...	148
Highland	4/3	1	58	62	-4		59	61	66	59	67	...	17
Fife	4	3	56	55	+1		53	52	49	55	57	...	97
Perth & Kinross	4	3	55	64	-9		71	59	59	66	65	...	126
Angus	4	2	53	61	-8		67	79	94	107	118	...	37
Aberdeenshire	4	3	45	49	-4		49	41	48	56	55	...	88
Dundee City	4	3	38	40	-2		40	54	70	83	97	...	113
Aberdeen City	4	3	35	41	-6		43	40	47	52	54	...	163
Scottish Borders	4	1	29	29	0		31	35	36	48	52	...	85
Orkney Islands	3	1	27	27	0		27	27	18	9	4	...	0
Shetland Islands	3	1	4	4	0		9	9	9	9	9	...	0
7-day averages
Tests			17424	18373	-949		17754	17137	17531	18038	18515	...	16839
Positivity rate %			5.4	5.5	-0.1		5.4	5.5	5.5	5.6	5.7	...	5.2
Hospital (non-ICU)			1384	1418	-34		1455	1494	1539	1581	1626	...	975
ICU			109	110	-1		111	112	113	115	118	...	50
Deaths			39	40	-1		40	40	40	40	46	...	25
All Vaccinations			56064	55497	+567		55852	53631	51262	48669	45946
1st Dose			55481	54930	+551		55288	53016	50629	48044	45349
2nd Dose			583	567	+16		564	615	633	625	597

👍

[redjambo]

11 minutes ago, Lemongrab said:

Where are you getting the figure of 50 for the City of Glasgow?  If I'm looking at the right thing, it says 133 there.

 

From the second spreadsheet at https://www.opendata.nhs.scot/dataset/covid-19-in-scotland

 

133 was yesterday's figure for Glasgow City.

 

Edit: Ah, I see where you're getting the 133 from now. Just a coincidence that the figure of 133 is both today's 7-day per-100,000 figure for Glasgow and also yesterday's raw daily case figure.

Edited February 15, 2021 by redjambo

[Footballfirst]

3 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Also strange that some just can't see or acknowledge any criticism of SG without immediately responding with whataboutery as deflection tool. 

 

I don't see it as whataboutery at all. The SG is open to criticism of any of its policies, but there are posters who are critical of the SG apparently going it alone from rUK on quarantine, but equally so are advocating that the SG should do something different to the rUK and the EU when it comes to other restrictions and lockdown.

 

I happen to think that the SG has probably got the balance right at the moment. Obviously I would like to see restrictions lifted sooner rather than later, but I recognise that they are being driven by numbers.

 

I hope that we will see a framework document in the next week or two that shows the step by step relaxation, similar to that we saw as we emerged from Lockdown 1.

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

That is the 7 day average figure, 50 is today's announced figure

 

I just have to add to this that it is the 7-day per-100,000 figure (i.e. population numbers are taken into account) and it also uses the cumulative case figures over 7 days rather than being an average, so it can't be compared directly to the raw daily case figure of 50. The next time, to avoid confusion, I'll comment on the raw figures as a separate post from the 7-day stats post.

[DETTY29]

23 hours ago, DETTY29 said:

75-79 now at 99%, so virtually complete outside of few stragglers.

 

70-74 now at 78%, 6% increase on yesterday.  Will be a push to get into 90s by close Monday.

 

--------------------------------

 

As at 8:30am on Sunday 14 February:

• 1,223,774 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 14,281 have received their second dose
• 30,076 care home residents (exceeding the initial target for residents in older adult care homes and 94% of residents in all care homes)
• 40,877 care home staff (91% of staff in older adult care homes and 79% of staff in all care homes)
• 246,455 people aged 80 or over living in the community (99%) – this excludes care home residents who are reported separately
• 280,927 frontline health and social care workers exceeding the initial target of 230,000 staff provided by Health Boards.
• 187,666 people aged 75-79 living in the community (99%) – this excludes care home residents who are reported separately
• 219,074 people aged 70-74 living in the community (78%) – this excludes care home residents who are reported separately.  

Vaccination figures a little more complex to review today as per the bolded text.  A significant number of people appear to have moved JCVI category, or double counted when estimating initial targets albeit, the vaccines administered are correct.

 

I'm not sure if this now aligns to what appears the ONS England reporting model of grouping in ages groups rather than 'other'  groups such as the clinically vulnerable. 

 

75-79 at 99.9%, so virtually complete outside of few stragglers.

 

70-74 now at 85%, 7% increase on yesterday.  Will be still be push to get into 90s by close today.  But see below, also reported at 81.1% on the SG Data Trends file 🥴  This could be the first cohort where we are not significantly ahead of certainly England on take up v. target.  Won't know until Thursday when ONS release England (and Wales) stats for up to close Sunday.

 

Per Scotland Vaccine Deployment plan, target was to 'offer' (do) 1.135m 1st doses by close tomorrow.  By last night 1.256m done (110.6%).  Naturally stats include all 65-69 year old etc done.  Overall UK target for mid Feb is 14.6m so equivalent take up for today's announcement would be 16.148m.  (Other core data sets and base targets are of merit)

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As at 8:30am on Monday 15 February:

• 1,255,190 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 14,501 have received their second dose
• 30,103 care home residents (exceeding the initial target for residents in older adult care homes and 94% of residents in all care homes)
• 40,930 care home staff (91% of staff in older adult care homes and 79% of staff in all care homes)
• 282,501 frontline health and social care workers exceeding the initial target provided by Health Boards.

 

From Monday 15 February we are changing the way we report breakdowns for age groups to focus on all vaccinated in each age group. Previously we removed people if already vaccinated in a higher priority group (e.g. care home residents), however as the vaccination programme progresses and we move down the priority groups this becomes more common. These figures are still available in Table 10b in the trends in daily data spreadsheet.

Latest progress on first doses shows we have vaccinated

• 269,951 people aged 80 or over (100%)  - NOTE:  REPORTED AS 246,991 ON TAB 10B (98.8% INITIAL TARGET)
• 195,841 people aged 75-79 (99.9%) - NOTE: REPORTED AS 189,504 ON TAB 10B (99.74% INITIAL TARGET)
• 237,058 people aged 70-74 (85%) - NOTE: REPORTED AS 227,059 ON TAB 10B  (81.1% INITIAL TARGET)
• 159,947 people aged 65-69 (53%) - NOT REPORTED YET ON TAB 1

NOTE - USING NUMBERS BELOW LINE AND REPORTED AS TOP LINE FIGURES BY SG THERE IS C.39K OTHERS HAVE BEEN JABBED TO BALANCE OFF FIRST VACCINE AT 1,225,190.

[redjambo]

11 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

There are some localised outbreaks in this figures in smaller population areas that I am sure will come down quite quickly.

 

I am very pleased to see the Glasgow and Third Lanark figures though, they have been problem areas and getting them down to below 150 has always been a challenge.

 

Yes, I am glad you jinxed the "never go below 150" rule of thumb with your comment yesterday.

 

Hopefully Covid will soon become as extinct as Third Lanark are.

[¼½¾]

Just now, Brian Dundas said:

That is the 7 day average figure, 50 is today's announced figure

 

8 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

From the second spreadsheet at https://www.opendata.nhs.scot/dataset/covid-19-in-scotland

 

133 was yesterday's figure for Glasgow City.

I see it now, thanks.

[DETTY29]

45 minutes ago, LMc said:

 

Pure speculation on my part but with Boris planning on revealing his roadmap next Monday, I would expect Sturgeon to so something similar. 

 

I think it would make sense even if it came with pretty clear and straightforward caveats. We plan to open up so and so but this is conditional on this many vaccines being done or this level of infection rate type deal. If anything, it might stop people chancing the rules if they know that in two weeks they won't have to break them. 

WHO is 50 cases per 100k and under 5% positivity to consider virus is under control.....I'm sure.

Edited February 15, 2021 by DETTY29

[scott herbertson]

19 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Vaccination figures a little more complex to review today as per the bolded text.  A significant number of people appear to have moved JCVI category, or double counted when estimating initial targets albeit, the vaccines administered are correct.

 

I'm not sure if this now aligns to what appears the ONS England reporting model of grouping in ages groups rather than 'other'  groups such as the clinically vulnerable. 

 

75-79 at 99.9%, so virtually complete outside of few stragglers.

 

70-74 now at 85%, 7% increase on yesterday.  Will be still be push to get into 90s by close today.  But see below, also reported at 81.1% on the SG Data Trends file 🥴  This could be the first cohort where we are not significantly ahead of certainly England on take up v. target.  Won't know until Thursday when ONS release England (and Wales) stats for up to close Sunday.

 

Per Scotland Vaccine Deployment plan, target was to 'offer' (do) 1.135m 1st doses by close tomorrow.  By last night 1.256m done (110.6%).  Naturally stats include all 65-69 year old etc done.  Overall UK target for mid Feb is 14.6m so equivalent take up for today's announcement would be 16.148m.  (Other core data sets and base targets are of merit)

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As at 8:30am on Monday 15 February:

• 1,255,190 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 14,501 have received their second dose
• 30,103 care home residents (exceeding the initial target for residents in older adult care homes and 94% of residents in all care homes)
• 40,930 care home staff (91% of staff in older adult care homes and 79% of staff in all care homes)
• 282,501 frontline health and social care workers exceeding the initial target provided by Health Boards.

 

From Monday 15 February we are changing the way we report breakdowns for age groups to focus on all vaccinated in each age group. Previously we removed people if already vaccinated in a higher priority group (e.g. care home residents), however as the vaccination programme progresses and we move down the priority groups this becomes more common. These figures are still available in Table 10b in the trends in daily data spreadsheet.

Latest progress on first doses shows we have vaccinated

• 269,951 people aged 80 or over (100%)  - NOTE:  REPORTED AS 246,991 ON TAB 10B (98.8% INITIAL TARGET)
• 195,841 people aged 75-79 (99.9%) - NOTE: REPORTED AS 189,504 ON TAB 10B (99.74% INITIAL TARGET)
• 237,058 people aged 70-74 (85%) - NOTE: REPORTED AS 227,059 ON TAB 10B  (81.1% INITIAL TARGET)
• 159,947 people aged 65-69 (53%) - NOT REPORTED YET ON TAB 1

NOTE - USING NUMBERS BELOW LINE AND REPORTED AS TOP LINE FIGURES BY SG THERE IS C.39K OTHERS HAVE BEEN JABBED TO BALANCE OFF FIRST VACCINE AT 1,225,190.

 

 

Thanks for that analysis

[coconut doug]

2 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

She also insinuates the UK govt are out of step with the quarantine policy. She never mentions her beloved Ireland who are also operating a targetted quarantine approach with a "red list" of only 20 countries. Scotland,  for political reasons of course, appear to be the outlier with the policy that they've adopted.

 

A policy that allows certain countries flights to enter without hotel quarantine is bound to be an absolute winner because we obviously know that anybody entering from that country either don't need to be isolated or can be trusted to isolate themselves. People from other countries however may carry a variant that could be dangerous to our citizens. Is that what you are telling us?

 

There are 50 countries in the world that do not allow any international travel. We are lucky in Scotland that our advisers can understand the issues and risks and that our politicians can legislate accordingly. I'd like to see the "follow the science" reasoning for partial enforced quarantine. It's like building half a fence around a prison. Not insisting upon hotel quarantine for all arrivals is another inappropriate, illogical decision made for economic reasons which will have public health cost. 

[redjambo]

10 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

A policy that allows certain countries flights to enter without hotel quarantine is bound to be an absolute winner because we obviously know that anybody entering from that country either don't need to be isolated or can be trusted to isolate themselves. People from other countries however may carry a variant that could be dangerous to our citizens. Is that what you are telling us?

 

There are 50 countries in the world that do not allow any international travel. We are lucky in Scotland that our advisers can understand the issues and risks and that our politicians can legislate accordingly. I'd like to see the "follow the science" reasoning for partial enforced quarantine. It's like building half a fence around a prison. Not insisting upon hotel quarantine for all arrivals is another inappropriate, illogical decision made for economic reasons which will have public health cost. 

 

I have to agree with this. Quarantine should be enforced on *all* arrivals into the country. Another argument against selective quarantine is that some folk may (and absolutely will) try to get round quarantine by flying back via non-listed countries. Also, there's potential for havoc if you fly out to a country which is not on the list and then it gets added to the list while you're away, which if you remember correctly happened frequently last year.

 

By the way, what's with all this "other countries do it, we should do it too" argument? That's complete bullshit. By all means argue against the policy on grounds of efficacy or suchlike, but not on who else happens to be adopting that policy or not. if everyone adopted that argument, we'd all be doing the same thing, scared to stand out from the crowd, and we would never learn anything or advance in any way.

Edited February 15, 2021 by redjambo

[sadj]

48 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Yes, I am glad you jinxed the "never go below 150" rule of thumb with your comment yesterday.

 

Hopefully Covid will soon become as extinct as Third Lanark are.

Third Lanark are not extinct anymore 😒

[Nookie Bear]

2 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

Despite all the self congratulation about meeting the UK's 15m vaccination target by 15 February, there are still deficiencies in what has been achieved. Matt Hancock has acknowledged that a third of social care staff have not been vaccinated.

 

Similarly one NHS Trust has reported that only 36.8% of its black staff have taken up the offer of a vaccine.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56065986

 

I don't understand this (and i wouldn;t ask you to guess why either). Comments and figures like this are routinely being included in articles but there seems little beyond that to try and explain the reasons for it.

[coconut doug]

1 hour ago, Brighton Jambo said:

I don’t agree with Covid Research Group but I am glad they exist as it means the government has to answer the questions many people are asking.  Millions of people across the UK will agree with them and it important their views are at least represented even if not acted on.

 

Having a government held to account by its own MP’s is critical for a thriving democracy.  What I wouldn’t give to see the same level of debate happening in the Scottish Government.  But it will

never happen.  They hold the party line no matter what and no matter what some of their constituents may actually think.  It’s sinister.  

 

Perhaps the reason the CRG (ERG) has not had anything to say on how we’ve (Scotland) handled the pandemic is because they know they don’t have a leg to stand on. They are perfectly at liberty of course to make whichever points they wish we are after all part of the most successful union ever.

 

 Normally speaking a government is not held to account by its own MP’S. That’s the role of the opposition. You cannot blame representatives of the governing party for failing to oppose their own policies.

The opposition in Scotland has had nothing much to oppose the government with though. Approval rates for the FM’s and the CSO’s handling of the pandemic are stratospheric compared to their English equivalents. Even the vaccination roll out criticism has floundered as Scotland’s rate has surpassed that of England while more crucially Scotland vaccinated the more vulnerable more quickly and brought the care home death rate down substantially. England has yet to vaccinate around 1/3 of care home staff despite being aware that it is they who are the principal infection carriers. If the CRG have mentioned this I missed it.

 

The notion that the CRG represent anybody but themselves and their interests is naïve at best. Had they been smart enough or human enough to recognise that recently the death rate in England has been around twice the rate of Scotland and the overall rate is now 50% higher they might have advised their government to follow Scotland’s lead.  They don’t care though, that much is glaringly obvious. What about the thousands of opinions that cannot now be heard due to CRG’s disproportionate influence on this wholly inept UK government?

 

 

 

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, sadj said:

Third Lanark are not extinct anymore 😒

 

I genuinely didn't know that there was a team called Third Lanark playing again. Good luck to them - the demise of the original club was a real pity.

[coconut doug]

20 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I have to agree with this. Quarantine should be enforced on *all* arrivals into the country. Another argument against selective quarantine is that some folk may (and absolutely will) try to get round quarantine by flying back via non-listed countries. Also, there's potential for havoc if you fly out to a country which is not on the list and then it gets added to the list while you're away, which if you remember correctly happened frequently last year.

 

By the way, what's with all this "other countries do it, we should do it too" argument? That's complete bullshit. By all means argue against the policy on grounds of efficacy or suchlike, but not on who else happens to be adopting that policy or not. if everyone adopted that argument, we'd all be doing the same thing, scared to stand out from the crowd, and we would never learn anything or advance in any way.

 

I mentioned the action taken by other countries because Enzo accused Scotland of being an outlier. There are many countries who are more restrictive than us and many who are more lax. Scotland's position seems more logical and measured to me that's my point. I never argued that we should follow the example of other countries just for the sake of it. Why would i? I am an independence supporter. 

[coconut doug]

3 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

CD, do you have any idea why the SG didn't enforce quarantine during lockdown one? or at least after we realised what had caused wave two? If we can go against the UKGov now, why not earlier than now?

 

Not for sure but the SG was coming under alot of pressure to open up and being criticised for being different to England just for the sake of it. I do remember a Tory resigning at the prospect of closing the border with England. Nicola clearly did not want to do this at the time. Travel into the country and in particular travel from England was the main means of infection according to genomic tracing so i think a lack of political will given the enormous complexity involved. Things are different now with new more virulent varients and considerably less travellers anyway.

 

  If you mean why were quarantiners not more rigorously monitered which was also an issue at the time then i can only assume it was way down on the list of priorities and involved a lot of work and organisation that few wanted to do or were capable of doing. 

[sadj]

26 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I genuinely didn't know that there was a team called Third Lanark playing again. Good luck to them - the demise of the original club was a real pity.

Yeah , worth a good googler of it all. Aside from the team whos ambition is the top leagues there is a Cathkin Park preservation group who have bit by bit cleaned up a lot of the ground that still remains. Not sure if the team are playing there or were going to move to playing in there but they seem determined. There was a cracking documentary about Thirds on BBC Alba a while back thats worth a watch. Takes you through Hiddleston and his interaction with the club. Former players talk about the final days etc painting the balls with whitewash as they couldn’t buy new ones. Don’t know if its the 95 years , the fact Scottish football was on such a high or what but the demise of the Hi-Hi’s is the one that conjures the most romance for their return I think. Clybebank have a team too with the same aim. Pretty sure theres a few threads about Thirds in the shed somewhere. 
 

anyhoo back from Sadj’s class of the day too Covid.

 

Boo BJ changing the goalposts , boo Rangers players , Boo Celtic fans reporting them , boo Covey not buggering off , boo Donald Trump...

Edited February 15, 2021 by sadj

[Shanks said no]

Glasgow’s improved figures could be as a result of their vaccination programme being ahead of the curve and their ability to use the NHS Louisa Jordan facility which although a NHS Scotland and not NHS Glasgow facility served as a vaccination centre well before NHS Lothian got their act together at the EICC

[redjambo]

34 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

I mentioned the action taken by other countries because Enzo accused Scotland of being an outlier. There are many countries who are more restrictive than us and many who are more lax. Scotland's position seems more logical and measured to me that's my point. I never argued that we should follow the example of other countries just for the sake of it. Why would i? I am an independence supporter. 

 

I wasn't talking about you, CD, when I made that comment. I seem to be the king of misdirection today.

Edited February 15, 2021 by redjambo

[Don Dan]

Britain records 9,765 Covid cases in smallest daily rise since OCTOBER and health bosses announce 230 more deaths - as data shows infections are falling in 95% of boroughs and number of patients in hospital has fallen to HALF its January peak

[Victorian]

1 hour ago, coconut doug said:

 

Perhaps the reason the CRG (ERG) has not had anything to say on how we’ve (Scotland) handled the pandemic is because they know they don’t have a leg to stand on. They are perfectly at liberty of course to make whichever points they wish we are after all part of the most successful union ever.

 

 Normally speaking a government is not held to account by its own MP’S. That’s the role of the opposition. You cannot blame representatives of the governing party for failing to oppose their own policies.

The opposition in Scotland has had nothing much to oppose the government with though. Approval rates for the FM’s and the CSO’s handling of the pandemic are stratospheric compared to their English equivalents. Even the vaccination roll out criticism has floundered as Scotland’s rate has surpassed that of England while more crucially Scotland vaccinated the more vulnerable more quickly and brought the care home death rate down substantially. England has yet to vaccinate around 1/3 of care home staff despite being aware that it is they who are the principal infection carriers. If the CRG have mentioned this I missed it.

 

The notion that the CRG represent anybody but themselves and their interests is naïve at best. Had they been smart enough or human enough to recognise that recently the death rate in England has been around twice the rate of Scotland and the overall rate is now 50% higher they might have advised their government to follow Scotland’s lead.  They don’t care though, that much is glaringly obvious. What about the thousands of opinions that cannot now be heard due to CRG’s disproportionate influence on this wholly inept UK government?

 

 

 

 

Absolutely spot on.  These people are not providing some sort of opposing or alternative view out of the kindness of their hearts or to provide critical scrutiny of an otherwise arbitrary executive.  They're occupying a niche position for their own personal political gain.

 

Not all of their views are particularly bad.  A lot of what they say regarding the country having to accept a level of illness from covid and to return to normal life is quite correct.  The demands and agitation to end all lockdown restrictions on an arbitrary date and regardless of the state of play with the epidemic and vaccine is utterly reckless,  unrealistic,  divisive.  They're buying popularity with reckless strong arming.  Rank opportunism.

[Hesh]

2 hours ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day stats. Quite a surprising figure from Glasgow City today of only 50 cases (it's usually well over 100) - I'm hoping that this isn't indicative of a data problem with the city's test results.

 

		Pre-	7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Lockdown	Today	Yesterday			13 Feb	12 Feb	11 Feb	10 Feb	9 Feb	...	20 Dec
Scotland			103	110	-7		104	104	105	111	114	...	98
East Ayrshire	4	3	319	316	+3		284	254	204	156	145	...	153
Clackmannanshire	4	3	229	221	+8		227	211	208	211	211	...	148
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	227	224	+3		201	182	183	177	182	...	120
Falkirk	4	2	196	205	-9		190	183	186	221	239	...	60
West Lothian	4	3	164	152	+12		100	106	106	124	115	...	83
Renfrewshire	4	3	159	166	-7		147	152	137	147	156	...	116
Stirling	4	3	159	165	-6		160	153	158	160	151	...	70
Third Lanark North	4	3	149	167	-18		161	160	162	173	184	...	119
Third Lanark South	4	3	146	151	-5		150	147	145	148	149	...	120
North Ayrshire	4	3	135	144	-9		135	129	136	132	127	...	175
Glasgow City	4	3	133	153	-20		144	145	149	157	166	...	129
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4	1	116	124	-8		116	124	101	109	97	...	22
East Renfrewshire	4	3	109	127	-18		106	106	120	134	134	...	101
Inverclyde	4	2	104	100	+4		99	104	93	102	109	...	59
Midlothian	4	3	97	100	-3		98	98	96	108	100	...	136
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	73	86	-13		87	93	101	91	87	...	32
South Ayrshire	4	3	72	85	-13		91	94	103	111	116	...	98
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	69	83	-14		83	96	104	111	122	...	70
Argyll & Bute	4/3	2	68	79	-11		83	87	98	109	115	...	29
Moray	4	1	67	78	-11		72	77	75	78	82	...	13
Edinburgh City	4	3	60	62	-2		61	63	63	67	67	...	109
East Lothian	4	3	58	78	-20		73	81	82	96	94	...	148
Highland	4/3	1	58	62	-4		59	61	66	59	67	...	17
Fife	4	3	56	55	+1		53	52	49	55	57	...	97
Perth & Kinross	4	3	55	64	-9		71	59	59	66	65	...	126
Angus	4	2	53	61	-8		67	79	94	107	118	...	37
Aberdeenshire	4	3	45	49	-4		49	41	48	56	55	...	88
Dundee City	4	3	38	40	-2		40	54	70	83	97	...	113
Aberdeen City	4	3	35	41	-6		43	40	47	52	54	...	163
Scottish Borders	4	1	29	29	0		31	35	36	48	52	...	85
Orkney Islands	3	1	27	27	0		27	27	18	9	4	...	0
Shetland Islands	3	1	4	4	0		9	9	9	9	9	...	0
7-day averages
Tests			17424	18373	-949		17754	17137	17531	18038	18515	...	16839
Positivity rate %			5.4	5.5	-0.1		5.4	5.5	5.5	5.6	5.7	...	5.2
Hospital (non-ICU)			1384	1418	-34		1455	1494	1539	1581	1626	...	975
ICU			109	110	-1		111	112	113	115	118	...	50
Deaths			39	40	-1		40	40	40	40	46	...	25
All Vaccinations			56064	55497	+567		55852	53631	51262	48669	45946
1st Dose			55481	54930	+551		55288	53016	50629	48044	45349
2nd Dose			583	567	+16		564	615	633	625	597

scot gov page has Edinburgh 7 day rate at 58.7 (6-12th)

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30 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

They're occupying a niche position for their own personal political gain.

 

They're buying popularity with reckless strong arming.  Rank opportunism.

1) Unless you've got some more details your first statement is conjecture. 

 

2) its not like they are giving folk a £500 bonus