Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Footballfirst]

5 minutes ago, Lord Inglis said:

It's a fair point, but a very good plan would have vaccinated concurrently. 

 

Have a group doing the specialist stuff like care homes and then a group doing the big hubs. One doesn't have to follow the other.

The CMO Gregor Smith came out with some stat earlier today that 20 vaccinations in a care home could save a life, while it would take 600 vaccinations to do the same elsewhere in the community.  I don't know how the stats are calculated but that's what he said in response to a question on priorities.

[Victorian]

5 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

I don't think the roll-out could be a described as a fiasco. The SG has focused on care homes and their staff with in excess of 80% already completed. The UK government has reported only having done 50% of care homes.  It's a bit of swings and roundabouts.  I'd hope that Scotland would catch up once the focus switches to the vaccination hubs for able bodied people.  That, of course, will be dependent on the availability of supplies of vaccines.   

 

But the fact that supply into GPs has been so sporadic and that many GPs remain completely in the dark screams out that there are problems.  Logistical and communications.  I also suspect that GPs are being left to manage their own systems without sufficient support and oversight.  Without both or either,  GPs will roll out the vaccine according to their own timetable and resources.  Someone in government needs to lead from the front.

[Victorian]

15 minutes ago, Lord Inglis said:

Yep I'm surprised the media haven't been more challenging on this. In fact thinking about it, I'm not.

 

I want to hear numbers like "140 jabs a minute" or whatever the equivalent is here. 

 

They will.  Opposition parties will be all over this with a vengeance if they get a chance.  It's either good progress within a few days or one enormous shitstorm.

[Footballfirst]

9 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

But the fact that supply into GPs has been so sporadic and that many GPs remain completely in the dark screams out that there are problems.  Logistical and communications.  I also suspect that GPs are being left to manage their own systems without sufficient support and oversight.  Without both or either,  GPs will roll out the vaccine according to their own timetable and resources.  Someone in government needs to lead from the front.

The bottleneck is the supply of vaccines. There isn't enough to be able to service all the GP surgeries just now, hence the claim that the coverage was patchy.  It is not a uniquely Scottish problem. There were complaints from Birmingham's mayor last week that the city wasn't getting enough.

 

It's a situation we are going to have to live with until there are sufficient supplies to vaccinate every adult (two doses), then the demand will be for older teenagers to be done.

 

The vaccine rollout is a bit like the NHS itself.  Demand exceeds supply for all sorts of services, whether that is hip replacements, cataract operations or nose jobs.  There would be no waiting lists if there was sufficient supply within the system.

Edited January 18, 2021 by Footballfirst

[Lord Inglis]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

 

They will.  Opposition parties will be all over this with a vengeance if they get a chance.  It's either good progress within a few days or one enormous shitstorm.

Let's hope they dont have to and decent progress is reported shortly.

 

If I was in charge of this, I'd be embarrassed to see stories in the press today saying 90 or so army folks had been drafted in to merely identify more vaccination sites. A good plan would have done this months ago.

 

I can only hope this is because they believe vaccine supply will massively increase in the coming weeks far exceeding original best case estimates.

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, Footballfirst said:

The bottleneck is the supply of vaccines. There isn't enough to be able to service all the GP surgeries just now, hence the claim that the coverage was patchy.  It is not a uniquely Scottish problem. There were complaints from Birmingham's mayor last week that the city wasn't getting enough.

 

It's a situation we are going to have to live with until there are sufficient supplies to vaccinate every adult (two doses), then the demand will be for older teenagers to be done.

 

The vaccine rollout is a bit like the NHS itself.  Demand exceeds supply for all sorts of services, whether that is hip replacements, cataract operations or nose jobs.  There would be no waiting lists if there was sufficient supply within the system.

 

It's also been said that there are supplies ready and waiting right now.  I very much doubt it can be explained by supply considerations.  The nations are being allocated a per capita share and there's a clear disparity in the number of jabs done.  Scotland is behind the curve.

[Victorian]

4 minutes ago, Lord Inglis said:

Let's hope they dont have to and decent progress is reported shortly.

 

If I was in charge of this, I'd be embarrassed to see stories in the press today saying 90 or so army folks had been drafted in to merely identify more vaccination sites. A good plan would have done this months ago.

 

I can only hope this is because they believe vaccine supply will massively increase in the coming weeks far exceeding original best case estimates.

 

One way or another soon.  Oppostion parties will be like rabid dogs with this so we'll see very soon.

[Footballfirst]

1 minute ago, Lord Inglis said:

Let's hope they dont have to and decent progress is reported shortly.

 

If I was in charge of this, I'd be embarrassed to see stories in the press today saying 90 or so army folks had been drafted in to merely identify more vaccination sites. A good plan would have done this months ago.

 

I can only hope this is because they believe vaccine supply will massively increase in the coming weeks far exceeding original best case estimates.

I heard an interview with some Army logistics person earlier today on Radio Scotland. The Army had been engaged to fit out rather than identify sites.

 

I think there have been large numbers of sites offered. Some may not be suitable, some will. The Army may have been asked to help check the suitability.

 

I note that Ross County was praising itself earlier today just for offering use of its car park to the local GP practice.

https://www.rosscountyfootballclub.co.uk/news-items/staggies-back-vaccine-drive

The club was delighted to be able to assist Dingwall Medical Practice on Saturday by making our car parks available in relation to the COVID Vaccination Drive for over 80s. A big thank you must also go to Highland Council who turned out and gritted the roads and footpaths around the area on a very cold and frosty morning.

Dr Iain Craighead commented “ The clinic was a big success and we have been able to vaccinate the vast majority of our over 80's in one day. Allowing staff to use Ross County car parks and having an empty health centre car park allowed the patients and their relatives to drive right up to the front door on the day”.

 

That's the other (good) side of what's going on but doesn't get picked up by the media.

 

[Footballfirst]

7 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

It's also been said that there are supplies ready and waiting right now.  I very much doubt it can be explained by supply considerations.  The nations are being allocated a per capita share and there's a clear disparity in the number of jabs done.  Scotland is behind the curve.

I sincerely hope that there is a ramp up in Scotland's vaccination rates (England's was down to 50% on Sunday, of what they were achieving at the end of last week). As long as they keep hitting their targets, I won't pre-judge the outcomes and criticise just for the sake of it.

Edited January 18, 2021 by Footballfirst

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

I heard an interview with some Army logistics person earlier today on Radio Scotland. The Army had been engaged to fit out rather than identify sites.

 

I think there have been large numbers of sites offered. Some may not be suitable, some will. The Army may have been asked to help check the suitability.

 

I note that Ross County was praising itself earlier today just for offering use of its car park to the local GP practice.

https://www.rosscountyfootballclub.co.uk/news-items/staggies-back-vaccine-drive

The club was delighted to be able to assist Dingwall Medical Practice on Saturday by making our car parks available in relation to the COVID Vaccination Drive for over 80s. A big thank you must also go to Highland Council who turned out and gritted the roads and footpaths around the area on a very cold and frosty morning.

Dr Iain Craighead commented “ The clinic was a big success and we have been able to vaccinate the vast majority of our over 80's in one day. Allowing staff to use Ross County car parks and having an empty health centre car park allowed the patients and their relatives to drive right up to the front door on the day”.

 

That's the other (good) side of what's going on but doesn't get picked up by the media.

 

Can just imagine Roy Magregor shouting  out the window to folk to "take their medicine"

[the general]

1 hour ago, DETTY29 said:

 No links but NHS Lothians asking their own volunteer support teams to help out potentially from 01 Feb for just over 10 hours per day, 6-8 months

 

Bathgate

Gyle

Ingleston

 

and possibly Gorebridge and Haddington.

 

 

 

 

Thanks was going to add my name if required 

[Footballfirst]

1 minute ago, Candy said:

Can just imagine Roy Magregor shouting  out the window to folk to "take their medicine"

That was sharp 👍  (not the needle, just the riposte)

[Victorian]

Just now, Footballfirst said:

I sincerely hope that there is a ramp up in Scotland's vaccination rates (England's was down to 50% on Sunday, of what they were achieving at the end of last week). As long as they keep hitting their targets, I won't pre-judge the outcomes and criticise just for the sake of it.

 

I'm not criticising just for the sake of it.  I'm criticising on the basis of what I suspect and theorise.  I'm an SNP voter and very supportive of Sturgeon.

 

Not every criticism is conceived just for the sake of it.

[sadj]

38 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

I don't think the roll-out could be a described as a fiasco. The SG has focused on care homes and their staff with in excess of 80% already completed. The UK government has reported only having done 50% of care homes.  It's a bit of swings and roundabouts.  I'd hope that Scotland would catch up once the focus switches to the vaccination hubs for able bodied people.  That, of course, will be dependent on the availability of supplies of vaccines.   

Indeed non frontline staff are booked in this week too.

[DETTY29]

13 minutes ago, the general said:

 

Thanks was going to add my name if required 

I think NHS Lothian are asking their current pool of volunteers but no harm in emailing to offer services.

 

[email protected]

 

Or Scotland wide

 

[email protected]

 

Although I think an l is missing from Scotland email address.

 

Edit - Getting PVG checks done just now for a new member of the public volunteering could be a challenge in a short space of time.

 

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by DETTY29

[the general]

10 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

I think NHS Lothian are asking their current pool of volunteers but no harm in emailing to offer services.

 

[email protected]

 

Or Scotland wide

 

[email protected]

 

Although I think an l is missing from Scotland email address.

 

Edit - Getting PVG checks done just now for a new member of the public volunteering could be a challenge in a short space of time.

 

 

 

Aye I wasn't factoring the PVG stuff

Was only thinking about doing queue combing or such like

I will keep an eye on it

 

Thanks Detty

[Shanks said no]

Had a quick look at the case and death numbers for Israel, no drop off yet.

Edited January 18, 2021 by The Frenchman Returns

[Morgan]

9 hours ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

How do you know for sure it was them?

How could it be ‘them’ when @JamesM48 quite clearly posted that it was a guy, on his own?

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Morgan said:

How could it be ‘them’ when @JamesM48 quite clearly posted that it was a guy, on his own?

Morgan I deliberately didn’t answer him / her ? due to that very fact . It only seems to encourage him / her 

[DETTY29]

2 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

I heard an interview with some Army logistics person earlier today on Radio Scotland. The Army had been engaged to fit out rather than identify sites.

 

I think there have been large numbers of sites offered. Some may not be suitable, some will. The Army may have been asked to help check the suitability.

 

I note that Ross County was praising itself earlier today just for offering use of its car park to the local GP practice.

https://www.rosscountyfootballclub.co.uk/news-items/staggies-back-vaccine-drive

The club was delighted to be able to assist Dingwall Medical Practice on Saturday by making our car parks available in relation to the COVID Vaccination Drive for over 80s. A big thank you must also go to Highland Council who turned out and gritted the roads and footpaths around the area on a very cold and frosty morning.

Dr Iain Craighead commented “ The clinic was a big success and we have been able to vaccinate the vast majority of our over 80's in one day. Allowing staff to use Ross County car parks and having an empty health centre car park allowed the patients and their relatives to drive right up to the front door on the day”.

 

That's the other (good) side of what's going on but doesn't get picked up by the media.

 

Another football club facilities up and running, Queen of the South this time.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/border/2021-01-18/regions-biggest-vaccine-centre-so-far-opens-at-queen-of-the-south-arena

 

----‐-------------

 

The region's biggest vaccination centre so far has opened at the Queen of the South Arena in Dumfries.

The local health board who are operating the site say all of those over 80 should have received their jab before the end of the month. 

Only then will the vaccination programme move on to those aged 75-80 from the 1st February. Then it is the turn of those aged 70-75 in the final two weeks of next month

---‐----------------

Looks like, supplies dependent ( not called out as an issue by CEO) NHS D&G will have 80+ done a week early.

 

Over 70s by end Feb which aligns to the 'offered first jag' by mid February.

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by DETTY29

[Enzo Chiefo]

9 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Just been on the phone to the ward i was in last week to discuss the covid patient. I spoke with one of the senior nurses who was quite defensive and almost blase about the issue. She explained that I should not have been told who the covid patient was ( even though I knew it was him) due to confidentiality.  I felt like telling her to feck confidentiality  when people are at risk of a disease. I didn't though.  She argued that he " probably" had a medical exemption . Whilst I understood this surely that should have meant he was placed in a room on his own. Her answer was there was no other rooms available. I expressed my concern about the whole issue but she again explained about the patients right to confidentiality. She said that i should only self isolate for 10 days and not the 14 as was the advice of the Test and Trace person. 

James, it does seem that there is a culture of brushes and lifting carpets that is endemic within the NHS. From whistle-blowers being threatened with the sack to attempting to cover up issues like yours. At a time when the entire country is being deprived of their rights, why should this individual have the right to go mask-less, possibly infecting many susceptible hospital patients and staff. With rights come responsibilities and it may be worth hospital staff thinking about the majority of patients rather than just one. Hopefully your MSP can act on your complaint. 

[DETTY29]

10 minutes ago, jonesy said:

QotS Arena?

 

Whatever happened to Palmerston?

Queens still play at Palmertson Park, the Arena is beside PP as a separate building with cafe and two 7 aside indoor pitches.

 

Used to be a Tesco and before that a Wm Low for us oldies.

Edited January 18, 2021 by DETTY29

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

James, it does seem that there is a culture of brushes and lifting carpets that is endemic within the NHS. From whistle-blowers being threatened with the sack to attempting to cover up issues like yours. At a time when the entire country is being deprived of their rights, why should this individual have the right to go mask-less, possibly infecting many susceptible hospital patients and staff. With rights come responsibilities and it may be worth hospital staff thinking about the majority of patients rather than just one. Hopefully your MSP can act on your complaint. 

Hi Enzo   Yes there certainly seems to be that culture you mention regarding the NHS.  I  will contact my MSP to  run it passed him to get his view.  I was surprised at the defensive tone of the staff nurse when I  called today.  She did  not really listen to my concern that I had possibly been exposed to the virus whilst in a " safe place" .  She clearly stated that it was his right if he didn't want to wear a mask.  And for all i knew I could have been covid positive or anyone else !! But what about the other patients rights?  I think they are probably shitting it now cause they have made a massive error which could maybe cause illness to some people ( i sincerely hope not).  I have to ask myself  If I do make a formal complaint what would I hope to achieve from it ?  A change in policy for day patients entering hospital i.e they need to have a covid test and be negative before they have a bed? This might be logistically difficult as I only got allocated that  bed from a phone call the day before  as they had space.   As i have said I wouldst have minded so much being told a patient had tested positive  if he had been wearing a mask all the time in the ward.  In other words being responsible human being .  Actually the more i think about the more angry i get as we get it hammered into us every bloody day   regarding FACTS  from the SG and the NHS .  I had a bad feeling about it all the time i was in hospital and should have said something then i guess .  

[JyTees]

2 hours ago, Candy said:

Can just imagine Roy Magregor shouting  out the window to folk to "take their medicine"

 

Under rated post Candy 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

 

🤣🤣🤣

[Jambo 4 Ever]

2 hours ago, jonesy said:

Who's exempt from wearing masks?: 'I'm scared of abuse for not wearing one' - BBC News

Get someone else to do their shopping then 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

seems some folk think they’re covid proof if they’re wearing a mask in a supermarket

 

as part of an experiment a friend  who was sick of the mask army not social distancing went into the supermarket mask less resulting a much better adherence to social distancing in their immediate vicinity

 

do we know how 2 metres mask less compares to 1/2 metre with masks on the safety front ? (Ideally should be 2 metres with masks but that isn’t happening)

 

would it be worth having a number of mask less plants around the place to keep everyone alert

 

i know my friend got their shopping in record time with just about no-one encroaching on their shield of germs

 

 

 

 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

1 hour ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

Get someone else to do their shopping then 

 

some people have no-one mate

 

sad reality

 

nor a computer smart phone nor broadband

 

we’re both ok though so that’s the main thing          😃

 

 

 

[ri Alban]

18 hours ago, Captain Sausage said:

Anyone read about the outrage towards Lord Sumption’s comments to a blogger on Question Time?

 

He told her that her life was less valuable than younger people’s lives. There’s been a mass hysteria over his comments, but other than the crudity of his words, I can’t see much wrong with what he has said. 
 

There is an economic and medically ethical price on each of our lives. If not, we would spend £1bn to extend someone’s life by 12 hours. We don’t, because that is above the threshold of what is deemed to be the value of that life. 
 

Is a 90 year old’s life worth the same as a newborn? I understand there’ll be different opinions on this bit, but I fully agree with Lord Sumption that it is not. 

Aye cause Captain Tom is a liability. £40m raised and an inspiration to many. 

 

17 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I watched that on BBC1 on Sunday morning

 

He said all lives don't have equal value, he said he had 7 grandchildren and their lives were more valuable than his.

Fair enough IMO.

I don't think he directly told someone that their life was less valuable, but a few people took faux outrage at his 

It's not fair enough, he doesn't and never will have the authority to decide who is valuable on this planet. He can have an opinion on himself, but (Yes he did say she was less valuable) then judge other people, well that's not fair enough. In fact if he said that in less secure surroundings, he may well have found out how valuable he is or was. 

Edited January 19, 2021 by ri Alban

[ri Alban]

5 hours ago, Morgan said:

How could it be ‘them’ when @JamesM48 quite clearly posted that it was a guy, on his own?

I thought James was this big tough virus non believer.  From bleach to bravado. And I'm pretty sure he was against making people wear masks and lockdowns etc... The 'you're no telling me what to do' bridage. Now???? 

[ri Alban]

2 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

some people have no-one mate

 

sad reality

 

nor a computer smart phone nor broadband

 

*we’re both ok though so that’s the main thing          😃

 

 

 

* 👍

[ri Alban]

7 hours ago, jonesy said:

Who's exempt from wearing masks?: 'I'm scared of abuse for not wearing one' - BBC News

My boys exempt from wearing a mask with severe asthma and other issues. But still wears a mask when required. There's no excuse for not wearing a mask, as the people who can't breathe should be in the hoose anyway and would have support who could buy them their shopping. 

Do you think people should have to put up with arseholes who don't wear a mask walking about a shop not giving a feck, who then when they leave, spark up a fag. 

Edited January 19, 2021 by ri Alban

[Tommy Brown]

[Captain Sausage]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

Aye cause Captain Tom is a liability. £40m raised and an inspiration to many. 

 

It's not fair enough, he doesn't and never will have the authority to decide who is valuable on this planet. He can have an opinion on himself, but (Yes he did say she was less valuable) then judge other people, well that's not fair enough. In fact if he said that in less secure surroundings, he may well have found out how valuable he is or was. 

Is Lord Sumption’s life less valuable than others? Since you seem to ha e said he’d be battered or killed for what he said in ‘less secure surroundings’. 

[Governor Tarkin]

3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

 

It's not fair enough, he doesn't and never will have the authority to decide who is valuable on this planet. He can have an opinion on himself, but (Yes he did say she was less valuable) then judge other people, well that's not fair enough. In fact if he said that in less secure surroundings, he may well have found out how valuable he is or was. 

 

Like it or not ausseh, but there are many people in this country who absolutely have the right to decide who is valuable on the planet, and exercise this right on a daily basis.

 

Whether it's right or wrong is neither here nor there in the context of your point.

[pablo]

There's a claim made in an article in The Telegraph this morning that the SG has received 700,000 vaccines already. I find it hard to believe, they've only administered 275,000-ish of what they have. 

[DETTY29]

24 minutes ago, pablo said:

There's a claim made in an article in The Telegraph this morning that the SG has received 700,000 vaccines already. I find it hard to believe, they've only administered 275,000-ish of what they have. 

Plan published (and withdrawn) last week had 530k-ish to be received by last week (nearly 90% the more complicated Pfeizer), with another 310k to start coming in this week from yesterday.

 

Do you have the full article?

 

Does it break down what the other 4 nations have received, when and by supplier and if some received early?

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

I thought James was this big tough virus non believer.  From bleach to bravado. And I'm pretty sure he was against making people wear masks and lockdowns etc... The 'you're no telling me what to do' bridage. Now???? 

Thanks for your lovely sympathetic response ! I will remember that . I never was against mask wearing , social distancing etc at  al hence not anxiety about cleaning my messages etc which proves I was taking it seriously . Your way of the mark 

35 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Announcement today on ending/existing of restrictions. I don’t expect any change and merely confirmation that restrictions extended including school closures. 
 

@JamesM48 has definitely developed an ability to trigger a lot of posters. 
 

 

I love it 

[milky_26]

30 minutes ago, pablo said:

There's a claim made in an article in The Telegraph this morning that the SG has received 700,000 vaccines already. I find it hard to believe, they've only administered 275,000-ish of what they have. 

I saw something over the last few days that Wales had received something like 320k doses with the majority being the Pfizer one and they had only used something like 150k doses. I'll try and find it, I think it was on the BBC website

 

Edit here it is but it has now been updated with deflection from drakeford

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-55704017

Edited January 19, 2021 by milky_26

[DETTY29]

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Edited January 19, 2021 by DETTY29

[Lord Inglis]

30 minutes ago, pablo said:

There's a claim made in an article in The Telegraph this morning that the SG has received 700,000 vaccines already. I find it hard to believe, they've only administered 275,000-ish of what they 

I do hope this is not an indication that our logistics cant keep up with supply, but at the same time would not be surprised. 

 

On the plus side, once all that supply and more is administered the world (or Scotland anyway) should start to become a much better place which I hope is reflected in appropriate lifting of restrictions. 

[steve123]

46 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Announcement today on ending/existing of restrictions. I don’t expect any change and merely confirmation that restrictions extended including school closures. 
 

@JamesM48 has definitely developed an ability to trigger a lot of posters. 
 

 

I agree regarding announcements, some talk about schools being shut in England at least until Easter 😒

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

4 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Aye cause Captain Tom is a liability. £40m raised and an inspiration to many. 

 

 

 

basing a point on an extreme case generally means there is no proper point

 

and of course absolutely no-one (who I have seen) have described the older people as a liability

[Samuel Camazzola]

10 hours ago, jonesy said:

Who's exempt from wearing masks?: 'I'm scared of abuse for not wearing one' - BBC News

Good article and feel sorry for the girl. She shouldn't need to feel that way. 

[manaliveits105]

1 hour ago, pablo said:

There's a claim made in an article in The Telegraph this morning that the SG has received 700,000 vaccines already. I find it hard to believe, they've only administered 275,000-ish of what they have. 

Sturgeon reminds us on a daily basis that she is  FM - needs to take responsibilty for this.

[Harry Potter]

4 hours ago, ri Alban said:

My boys exempt from wearing a mask with severe asthma and other issues. But still wears a mask when required. There's no excuse for not wearing a mask, as the people who can't breathe should be in the hoose anyway and would have support who could buy them their shopping. 

Do you think people should have to put up with arseholes who don't wear a mask walking about a shop not giving a feck, who then when they leave, spark up a fag. 

Great post

[Taffin]

25 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

basing a point on an extreme case generally means there is no proper point

 

and of course absolutely no-one (who I have seen) have described the older people as a liability

 

I probably got close to it if I'm being completely honest. Old people are an asset but their cost is laden with liabilities to society, in the main their care costs. That's not to say they should be done away with though; old people should be cared for, should be supported and should be treated with compassion. Many thousands of old people are also fit as a fiddle and most of them all offer a tremendous amount to society and even more to their families and loved ones. My mortgage is a liability, but I'm grateful for it every single day because of the asset it bring with it.

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Like it or not ausseh, but there are many people in this country who absolutely have the right to decide who is valuable on the planet, and exercise this right on a daily basis.

 

Whether it's right or wrong is neither here nor there in the context of your point.

Yes, that's the harsh reality of it Guv. Govts use a QALY calculation to value human life in all sorts of decisions from approving medical treatments or drugs to increasing speed limits or sanctioning, for example, HS2

[Taffin]

Glad to see Dr Tedros getting on the immorality train about the global use of the vaccines. Totally agree with him.

[Victorian]

Not for the first time my bus was quite a bit busier and accompanied by every window being shut.  About 15 people all sitting on the upper deck and nobody thinking to open a window.  

[cheetah]

7 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Not for the first time my bus was quite a bit busier and accompanied by every window being shut.  About 15 people all sitting on the upper deck and nobody thinking to open a window.  

did you open a window?