Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Ainsley Harriott]

35 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

Just heard of a second person I know catching Covid about a week to ten days after being vaccinated. These are both frontline workers who could have caught it anytime so I think it is more just bad luck, but it just shows we need to be careful for the few weeks until immunity kicks in. 

How long does it take? Is it about 3 weeks?

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, weehammy said:

The least well off already pay very little tax.

 

Hopefully they don't end up bearing the brunt in the future.  Lower incomes are well protected by income tax allowances but not so much from council tax,  VAT and from other forms of taxation that masquerade under other guises.

[Pasquale for King]

3 hours ago, Captain Sausage said:

Churches and other religious institutions can gtf. 
 

If schools are closed, it would be obscene to open up churches, mosques, etc. 
 

Without starting on the fact that it’s not essential to do it in person (do it online), the demographics that attend religious institutions is pretty closely related to the demographic that gets pumped by COVID. 

Spot on, for far too long they’ve been pandered too, their influence and importance in society wanes everyday thankfully. 

[Weakened Offender]

1 hour ago, JFK-1 said:

They should leagalise weed and tax it rather than see all the profits go to dealers. It's turned into a very nice little earner indeed for the US states who have legalised.

Colorado made far more from it than they had anticipated. So much so that they apparently didn't know what to do with the surplus.

 

I never knew states had legalised dope. How many have? 

[kila]

1 hour ago, JFK-1 said:

They should leagalise weed and tax it rather than see all the profits go to dealers. It's turned into a very nice little earner indeed for the US states who have legalised.

Colorado made far more from it than they had anticipated. So much so that they apparently didn't know what to do with the surplus.

Surplus tax or weed?!

 

[Neil Dongcaster]

3 minutes ago, kila said:

Surplus tax or weed?!

 

Colorado has a similar population to Scotland and earned around $200m from Weed taxation in 2020.

 

Probably saved about the same if again in costs associated with enforcing prohibition.

[the general]

42 minutes ago, weehammy said:

The least well off already pay very little tax.

 

A lot of very very well off people pay very little tax

[ri Alban]

54 minutes ago, weehammy said:

The least well off already pay very little tax.

The least well off spend every penny into the economy. 

Edited January 17, 2021 by ri Alban

[ri Alban]

1 hour ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

If anything they are going the other way lots now asking for 20% deposits as opposed to the old 10%.

The young team are fecked. 

[Ainsley Harriott]

1 minute ago, ri Alban said:

The young team are fecked. 

Basically need 70k cash to buy and average priced Edinburgh house time you add on the extras 

[DETTY29]

3rd flight hits Melbourne with players (mainly qualifiers) and a positive passenger this time test.

 

72 players now quarantining.

 

Tennis Oz trying to figure out if some type of training bubble can be set up to allow negative tested players to train.

 

Pre Aussie Open warm up event beforehand that many of players entered into would mean at best 1 day practice, acclimatisation before having to play.

 

 

Edited January 17, 2021 by DETTY29

[Beni]

45 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Basically need 70k cash to buy and average priced Edinburgh house time you add on the extras 

 

Because of the number of high value properties in Edinburgh the average is a bit skewed.

The average is 338000, but the median price is 275000, ie half of properties sell for less than this, still a lot though.

 

https://www.home.co.uk/guides/house_prices.htm?location=edinburgh

Edited January 17, 2021 by fancy a brew

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 hour ago, the general said:

 

A lot of very very well off people pay very little tax

Exactly.

That’s what off shore accounts were invented for.

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 17 January 2021

Summary

• 1,341 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-412]
• 16,256 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results – 9.5% of these were positive [-8.058; +1.1%]
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [-78] (deaths not normally reported at weekends)
• 147 people are in intensive care with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+2]
• 1,918 people are in hospital with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+55]
• 224,840 people have received their first dose of the COVID-19 vaccination and 3,331 have received their second dose [figures haven't been updated since Friday]

[redjambo]

The latest 7-day per-capita rates around the councils, based on reporting date.

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Previous	Today	Yesterday			15 Jan	14 Jan	13 Jan	12 Jan	11 Jan	...	20 Dec
Scotland			229	239	-10		240	245	262	264	275	...	98
Glasgow City	4	3	360	365	-5		363	374	383	380	383	...	129
North Lanarkshire	4	3	342	352	-10		357	362	395	393	396	...	119
Renfrewshire	4	3	314	328	-14		324	323	366	386	393	...	116
North Ayrshire	4	3	300	305	-5		289	304	320	337	324	...	175
Inverclyde	4	2	294	342	-48		370	389	411	401	428	...	59
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	289	314	-25		297	322	334	348	376	...	32
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	287	297	-10		305	286	279	269	283	...	70
East Ayrshire	4	3	283	293	-10		276	269	289	298	311	...	153
South Lanarkshire	4	3	274	280	-6		278	289	299	281	311	...	120
Clackmannanshire	4	3	270	264	+6		264	233	248	229	262	...	148
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	259	272	-13		277	272	250	244	268	...	120
South Ayrshire	4	3	246	241	+5		226	218	228	251	251	...	98
Aberdeen City	4	3	244	257	-13		257	254	250	266	272	...	163
Falkirk	4	2	239	239	0		231	232	265	272	289	...	60
Dundee City	4	3	237	256	-19		261	273	313	313	344	...	113
East Renfrewshire	4	3	204	201	+3		203	204	214	226	228	...	101
Perth and Kinross	4	3	184	217	-33		222	236	249	245	264	...	126
Fife and Drum	4	3	177	189	-12		196	199	215	208	218	...	97
Scottish Borders	4	1	171	197	-26		213	209	241	261	260	...	85
Angus	4	2	170	182	-12		176	176	202	222	245	...	37
Aberdeenshire	4	3	156	158	-2		174	186	221	222	245	...	88
West Lothian	4	3	155	159	-4		166	151	164	158	150	...	83
Highland	4/3	1	154	165	-11		184	174	187	199	214	...	17
Edinburgh City	4	3	150	162	-12		170	171	192	189	206	...	109
Stirling	4	3	146	150	-4		138	141	159	157	176	...	70
East Lothian	4	3	112	105	+7		99	93	108	113	130	...	148
Midlothian	4	3	109	117	-8		127	119	151	156	170	...	136
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	1	105	105	0		52	56	30	30	19	...	22
Moray	4	1	101	120	-19		118	120	135	142	154	...	13
Argyll and Bute	4/3	2	89	90	-1		86	85	84	87	86	...	29
Shetland Islands	3	1	74	74	0		83	74	96	135	109	...	0
Orkney Islands	3	1	13	13	0		18	18	18	27	27	...	0

[Nucky Thompson]

A side effect of getting the vaccine is that it turns you gay 

 

Ultra-Orthodox rabbi tells followers Covid vaccine ‘can turn people gay’ | The Independent

 

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said:

A side effect of getting the vaccine is that it turns you gay 

 

Ultra-Orthodox rabbi tells followers Covid vaccine ‘can turn people gay’ | The Independent

 

 

Only counts if you push back against the needle when you're getting the jab.

 

Some folk are bonkers.

[The Mighty Thor]

4 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

A new settlement of the portfolio of taxation is the way to pay for it.  Everyone should now be looking forward to a future of all people paying a fair and sustainable share of the burden.  Ordinary working people and Tory enablers and all points in between.

 

Post-crisis,  this is the absolutely ideal time to start a gradual shift away from the self entitled culture of low personal taxation towards a fairer settlement where the country can properly fund all public services to a gold standard,  with finances to spare.

 

 

I agree wholeheartedly with this. 

 

In fact a great starting point would be to pursue, with the full weight of the law, those who have ripped the public purse for PPE contracts, Serco for the track and trace £22billion and all points in between. 

Those involved should be locked up and their personal effects taken under the proceeds of crime act. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

23 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day per-capita rates around the councils, based on reporting date.

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Previous	Today	Yesterday			15 Jan	14 Jan	13 Jan	12 Jan	11 Jan	...	20 Dec
Scotland			229	239	-10		240	245	262	264	275	...	98
Glasgow City	4	3	360	365	-5		363	374	383	380	383	...	129
North Lanarkshire	4	3	342	352	-10		357	362	395	393	396	...	119
Renfrewshire	4	3	314	328	-14		324	323	366	386	393	...	116
North Ayrshire	4	3	300	305	-5		289	304	320	337	324	...	175
Inverclyde	4	2	294	342	-48		370	389	411	401	428	...	59
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	289	314	-25		297	322	334	348	376	...	32
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	287	297	-10		305	286	279	269	283	...	70
East Ayrshire	4	3	283	293	-10		276	269	289	298	311	...	153
South Lanarkshire	4	3	274	280	-6		278	289	299	281	311	...	120
Clackmannanshire	4	3	270	264	+6		264	233	248	229	262	...	148
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	259	272	-13		277	272	250	244	268	...	120
South Ayrshire	4	3	246	241	+5		226	218	228	251	251	...	98
Aberdeen City	4	3	244	257	-13		257	254	250	266	272	...	163
Falkirk	4	2	239	239	0		231	232	265	272	289	...	60
Dundee City	4	3	237	256	-19		261	273	313	313	344	...	113
East Renfrewshire	4	3	204	201	+3		203	204	214	226	228	...	101
Perth and Kinross	4	3	184	217	-33		222	236	249	245	264	...	126
Fife and Drum	4	3	177	189	-12		196	199	215	208	218	...	97
Scottish Borders	4	1	171	197	-26		213	209	241	261	260	...	85
Angus	4	2	170	182	-12		176	176	202	222	245	...	37
Aberdeenshire	4	3	156	158	-2		174	186	221	222	245	...	88
West Lothian	4	3	155	159	-4		166	151	164	158	150	...	83
Highland	4/3	1	154	165	-11		184	174	187	199	214	...	17
Edinburgh City	4	3	150	162	-12		170	171	192	189	206	...	109
Stirling	4	3	146	150	-4		138	141	159	157	176	...	70
East Lothian	4	3	112	105	+7		99	93	108	113	130	...	148
Midlothian	4	3	109	117	-8		127	119	151	156	170	...	136
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	1	105	105	0		52	56	30	30	19	...	22
Moray	4	1	101	120	-19		118	120	135	142	154	...	13
Argyll and Bute	4/3	2	89	90	-1		86	85	84	87	86	...	29
Shetland Islands	3	1	74	74	0		83	74	96	135	109	...	0
Orkney Islands	3	1	13	13	0		18	18	18	27	27	...	0

👍

[Nucky Thompson]

4 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Only counts if you push back against the needle when you're getting the jab.

 

Some folk are bonkers.

[Jeff]

Who's hosting the orgy once we are all vaacinated?

[The Real Maroonblood]

6 minutes ago, Gone said:

Who's hosting the orgy once we are all vaacinated?

[Ainsley Harriott]

23 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

A side effect of getting the vaccine is that it turns you gay 

 

Ultra-Orthodox rabbi tells followers Covid vaccine ‘can turn people gay’ | The Independent

 

Maybe turns gay people straight? At last a cure!

[frankblack]

Just now, Ainsley Harriott said:

Maybe turns gay people straight? At last a cure!

 

There are some places that have been trying to invent their own "cures" for centuries who would pay well for that.

[milky_26]

28 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

A side effect of getting the vaccine is that it turns you gay 

 

Ultra-Orthodox rabbi tells followers Covid vaccine ‘can turn people gay’ | The Independent

 

At least peoples fashion sense will be better

[Ainsley Harriott]

7 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

At least peoples fashion sense will be better

I'm buying shares In companies that sell scatter cushions and scented candles 

[Nucky Thompson]

38,598 new positive cases in the UK. The lowest figure since 27th December.

At least you can see that the lockdown is working, they weren't sure if it would with this new variant 

[neilnunb]

Phil Spector dead from suspected covid complications.

[neilnunb]

16 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

38,598 new positive cases in the UK. The lowest figure since 27th December.

At least you can see that the lockdown is working, they weren't sure if it would with this new variant 

 

 

There's a lockdown?

 

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/uk-news/6546924/brits-flock-beaches-parks-winter-sunshine-boris-johnson/

 

😁😐

[Taffin]

Disagreed with @Victorian throughout this thread on many things, but wholeheartedly agree with the taxation and salary talk of the last couple of pages 👍👍

[frankblack]

19 minutes ago, neilnunb said:

Phil Spector dead from suspected covid complications.

 

There is always a positive side to the virus, I suppose.

[neilnunb]

2 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

There is always a positive side to the virus, I suppose.

 

was thinking it's fair knocked out a few well known murderers. 

[Governor Tarkin]

2 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

A side effect of getting the vaccine is that it turns you gay 

 

 

 

Well that'll take the awkwardness out of all those Devil's threesomes.

 

No covid and double the fun. What's not to like?

 

Bring it on, boys.

 

[Governor Tarkin]

2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

 

In fact a great starting point would be to pursue, with the full weight of the law, those who have ripped the public purse for PPE contracts, Serco for the track and trace £22billion and all points in between. 

Those involved should be locked up and their personal effects taken under the proceeds of crime act. 

 

I'm 100% behind this, and would be willing to help round up the miscreants with a cattle prod.

[Skacelsid]

Giz a jab

[GinRummy]

53 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Was out all over Edinburgh yesterday - plenty groups of friends and families meeting up in places like Princes Street Gardens, Calton Hill, and Craiglockhart. No danger they were 'bubbled' or single-households.

 

People - not all young - are ignoring the arbitrary and confusing restrictions.

Perhaps it’s to do with the well reported opinions a while ago that you’re unlikely to catch the virus outdoors. It’s not just the restrictions that are confusing, it’s the constant stream of scientific and other opinion that confuses people. Then a couple of weeks later it all changes. 

[frankblack]

26 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Perhaps it’s to do with the well reported opinions a while ago that you’re unlikely to catch the virus outdoors. It’s not just the restrictions that are confusing, it’s the constant stream of scientific and other opinion that confuses people. Then a couple of weeks later it all changes. 

 

You have to add on top that they won't break down the track and trace data to show where the trends seem to be in infections - we are just expected to trust whatever we get told on the 12.15pm sermon, despite their repeated incompetence.

[GinRummy]

Just now, frankblack said:

 

You have to add on top that they won't break down the track and trace data to show where the trends seem to be in infections - we are just expected to trust whatever we get told on the 12.15pm sermon, despite their repeated incompetence.

She gets away with everything because Boris has made more of a ***** of it than she has. 

[CavySlaveJambo]

1 hour ago, GinRummy said:

Perhaps it’s to do with the well reported opinions a while ago that you’re unlikely to catch the virus outdoors. It’s not just the restrictions that are confusing, it’s the constant stream of scientific and other opinion that confuses people. Then a couple of weeks later it all changes. 

That is what happens with Science. It is happening with the science around SARS-CoV2 at the moment.  More so as most of it is going public in the pre-print stage and not being held until it has been Peer Reviewed. 

[Doogz]

1 hour ago, frankblack said:

 

You have to add on top that they won't break down the track and trace data to show where the trends seem to be in infections - we are just expected to trust whatever we get told on the 12.15pm sermon, despite their repeated incompetence.

100% this: My Aunt now has covid for the 2nd time: both times she got infected in hospital. She has many underlying conditions which may make her more susceptible but it does concern me that a lot of infections are probably still occurring in hospitals & care homes. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

11 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 

 

Agree with you both.

 

The trouble the politicians have is that, in attempting to justify their laughable efforts at control, they often speak as if they have the truth. For them then to - as CSJ rightly points out - modify their stance results in most folk not bothering to listen to them.

The politicians and scientists have to understand that people will not be confined to barracks on the basis of spurious diktats. Humans interact and instead of focussing on where it's spreading and issuing bespoke advice, they've gone with broad brush "reducing interactions, stay at home" messaging, expecting a "terrified" public to fully comply.  The last lockdown was a panic move and people,  who didn't know what they were dealing with,  largely obeyed all the rules.  Now, most folk are far more sanguine about the threat of Covid and, in the main, know how to avoid it and the sensible rules to follow. The decision makers need to understand that and, instead of looking for the next pointless thing to ban, to start communicating the road map out of this. When will schools go back, hospitality reopen,  shops, workplaces, travel. At what point in the programme do these integral aspects of life return? Politicians on both sides of the border are so far out of touch with real life, it's frightening. 

[Don Dan]

We need a journalist to put Sturgeon on the spot and ask to see the data that the decisions that we are subjected to are based on. 
It’s only fair that if we are to be subservient and obey these laws that we see what foundation they are based on. 

[Doctor FinnBarr]

30 minutes ago, Doogz said:

100% this: My Aunt now has covid for the 2nd time: both times she got infected in hospital. She has many underlying conditions which may make her more susceptible but it does concern me that a lot of infections are probably still occurring in hospitals & care homes. 

My old mans care home (Whitdale in Whitburn) tested all staff and residents on Monday (all negative) and all received the vaccine on Friday.

[Doogz]

1 minute ago, Boy Daniel said:

We need a journalist to put Sturgeon on the spot and ask to see the data that the decisions that we are subjected to are based on. 
It’s only fair that if we are to be subservient and obey these laws that we see what foundation they are based on. 

Indeed: I thought she had said they would publish data when they announced the tightening of restrictions last week: I had a look but haven't been able to find anything yet. 

[Doogz]

1 minute ago, FinnBarr Saunders said:

My old mans care home (Whitdale in Whitburn) tested all staff and residents on Monday (all negative) and all received the vaccine on Friday.

Good stuff: hopefully the vaccinations & the way they're being targeted will quickly reduce instances of infection. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

9 minutes ago, FinnBarr Saunders said:

My old mans care home (Whitdale in Whitburn) tested all staff and residents on Monday (all negative) and all received the vaccine on Friday.

Good to read a bit of good news on this thread.

[JudyJudyJudy]

6 hours ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Maybe turns gay people straight? At last a cure!

 

[Doctor FinnBarr]

9 minutes ago, Doogz said:

Good stuff: hopefully the vaccinations & the way they're being targeted will quickly reduce instances of infection. 

 

2 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Good to read a bit of good news on this thread.

 But (as I've mentioned before) is it worthwhile vaccinating the residents of care homes? Most, if not all have dementia and to be blunt their lives are over. Can fully understand if its to protect staff but as all visiting is banned staff can now be the only people who can take it in.

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

 

🤣

 

Let us know if it works 

[Doogz]

18 minutes ago, FinnBarr Saunders said:

 

 But (as I've mentioned before) is it worthwhile vaccinating the residents of care homes? Most, if not all have dementia and to be blunt their lives are over. Can fully understand if its to protect staff but as all visiting is banned staff can now be the only people who can take it in.

Yeah, fully understand where you're coming from: another more distant family member, in a care home, contracted Covid in the 1st wave: he has no quality of life and to be brutally honest it probably would have been better if it had taken him out as a pandemic euthanasia if you like. However, there are plenty who live in care homes who do enjoy a reasonable quality of life and deserve to have that extended. I can disagree with a lot of Govt decisions but when it comes to deciding the priority of vaccinations I'm just glad it's not my decision.